(10-08-2014 01:11 AM)Chaos Wrote:  Did you ever get the feeling that your girl was a great choice of mother for your children?

I was with my wife for 10 years before we married. I observed that whenever she was around kids they would always flock around her like she was a kid magnet. So I figured she'd be a good mother.

Her own mother also seemed to be very solid, not crazy or dysfunctional at all, and I think that is a very good if not key indicator. Girls turn into their mothers, after all.

The other day a friend was visiting my house and was amazed at the level and quality of engagement of my wife with our kids, and he said "Gee, if I had had a mother like that I could have done almost anything with my life, been President or something."

Don't laugh now, but something that is maybe even more important than mothering is cooking. The importance of getting with a woman who can really cook cannot be underestimated. After all, you might not even have kids, but you gotta eat every day. Once she hits the wall your wife's looks may go totally to hell, but the cooking skills will only get better all the way out.

My wife is the best cook I have ever seen. Japanese, Chinese, French, Italian, etc., she can do it all from scratch with her eyes closed. She wasn't this good when we first met, but her skills have just gotten better and better. I don't even care that she doesn't to fuck any more, as long as she can still crank it out in the kitchen she is hired.

Even though I don't think GK was made for this forum and I wouldn't hang out with him in real life. I understand his situation.

Think about it, dude was probably in his late 40s,probably not good looking, I think he was doing well money wise, how do you think he was going to pull girls? Do you really think he would go through the same route that we go through? If he just uses game like we use, sure that he will hardly ever get laid. If he is using money offering to random girls to have sex with him then it is probably the only strategy that is working for him. When I get to my late 40's and I see that I am not getting laid as I am now, if that's the solution to get laid then I will probably do the same. I am not going to be starving over pussy over some life principle that tells me that I should never pay for pussy. But one thing that I will hate though, is to go to a prostitution home, I just can't have sex with a prostitute.

Look at hooligan harry posts about age and money. I think many of us here on the forum are under-estimating the need to be financially successful as we age. We won't be twenty something for the rest of our lives. As you age, the more you need to look successful if you still want to get laid like crazy.

(10-07-2014 10:58 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ohionukes - are you really 50 and are consistently pulling girls in their early/mid 20s in the US?

Yes. it surprises me still. Since I don't look 50, that is a big plus, plus I have a good job and income. My game is 90% internet, 10% nightclub. Internet game allows me to preselect the girls I think I will have the highest probability of success. I have one girl in rotation who is 23 who told me she thought maybe the age difference was too much for her to get serious with me, but she is still coming over to spend the night, so why should I care.

At the risk of creating enemies, I like a lot of america women. I think they are easier to game than most european women, at least for me. I don't have to worry about language barriers, convincing them I am not a sex tourist, etc. For me, going overseas is more about the thrill of the chase than getting flags. In the US, the economy is still poor enough, that there a lot of young girls who are hairdressers, makeup artists, or struggling models that it makes gaming them easier. I actually have found that my high income status gets me MUCH more action in the USA than in EE, which baffles me since those girls are much poorer. But, I have to admit, I am new to EE game and I don't think I am very good at it.

(10-08-2014 06:44 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:58 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ohionukes - are you really 50 and are consistently pulling girls in their early/mid 20s in the US?

Yes. it surprises me still. Since I don't look 50, that is a big plus, plus I have a good job and income. My game is 90% internet, 10% nightclub...

That you can manage that with primarily Internet game is actually more surprising to me than if it was mostly nightgame or daygame.

Even here in Eastern Europe - where online dating seems to be on the rise (I've noticed an increase just in the year and a half I've been here), though I'm sure it's still far from as booming as in the US - it's very rare I get responses from women under 30 (the few I have and who wanted to meet, have been the easiest to get into bed though), and I'm only 38.
I changed my profile photo a few months ago and got a massive surge in "likes", but the overwhelming majority was from women between 30 and 40.

Since I get virtually no questions regarding my age and about an expected number of positive responses and outcomes when I'm talking to women in their early to late twenties in bars, clubs etc., I'm guessing a fairly substantial number of the under 30 girls online are screening me out primarily on the age listed next to my photo.

Quote:Don't laugh now, but something that is maybe even more important than mothering is cooking. The importance of getting with a woman who can really cook cannot be underestimated.

This got me thinking and my conclusion is that you're right.

I'm picky when it comes to cooking and I'm a pretty good cook myself.
I always use high quality products, no junk allowed in my kitchen.

However, I've had girls here who could cook well, but they couldn't cook the way I wanted my food to be cooked! Also cooking dishes I didn't want to eat!
So I ended up cooking my food myself since I got angry about food being prepared in the wrong way!

That pissed me off since cooking and shopping groceries takes time and I value time more than anything.

The mother of my children will never have to work.
I will pay for everything that is necessary.
But I have demands that needs to be met, otherwise I'm better off on my own.

- She's not smoking, drinking or using any other kinds of drugs.

- Her biggest tasks is to be home and take care of the kids and to keep my house clean and in a good shape. I hate filth. A clean house is important.

- She need to be a clean person and keep her surroundings clean and organized.
I hate lazy and filthy girls who are not taking care of themsleves or their stuff.
I want things to be organised and in order. No disorder or dirt around me.

- She need to have an active personality. My world is full of exercising.
( gym,swimming,hiking,skiing and other outdoor activities)
I have no use of a girl who spends time in front of the TV and getting fat.

- She need to know how to cook and prepare every meal for me, I don't mind cooking but I don't want to spend all my time doing that.

- And last of course she needs to respect me and give me space when it's needed.
I have no use of a girl in my house who's acting like a bitch who wants to fight me all the time. She has to be supportive.

Plus points would be:

+ Good with animals.
+ Likes garden work.

Apart from that she is free to do whatever she want on her freetime.

Is there any girls like that out there?

(10-07-2014 11:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't really know GK that well, but I understand women a little bit.

I also have eyes.
I make observations.
I make connections.

You're not always going to be in the gym, drinking a gallon of milk, doing HIIT.
You're not always going to eat right.
Injuries will take longer to heal.

Your career may not go as planned, or as you hoped.
Your business may fail, your investments may tank.
You may move to a new city and have to start your social circle from scratch.
Maybe even a new country, and have to learn a new language, a new culture.

Even through all of that, your ability to connect with another human being does not have to diminish. You can make friends at any age. Telling jokes, swapping stories, trading silent looks....never ends.

If you can do that, you can bag bitches. bitches galore.

So many guys are caught up in what a girl sees. Because guys judge everything by what it looks like, they assume that's how EVERYONE processes information. At the same time, these same guys will tell you all bitches are crazy, and none of them are logical.

It NEVER occurs to them, that a woman may evaluate things differently, that a woman might see things differently.

And this love affair with "men's logic" is what makes them never notice the world around them. Anything that upsets the apple cart has to be an exception. At no time do men question the rules, the logic, the rationale.

I don't know GK.
I don't care if was into P4P.

I do know men GK's age who are fucking 25 year olds without having to be a whoremonger or a sugar daddy.

Those kind of guys see something and they go after it.
Do they get laughed at?
Do they have to break out the Cialis/Viagra?
Do they look stupid in a young man's clothes?
Do people think the nice cars are compensation for physical shortcomings?

Sure they do.

And while the peanut gallery snickers, he's breaking a chick off a piece of his kit-katbar.

What's most interesting is that a lot more men could be taking advantage of the situation, but they've become beat down by society, they become risk averse. Some of that is biochemical of course, missing a set of hormones, but if you're aware of it, you still have free will.

There are still things you can do.

I'm not knocking marrying a pretty foreign wife. I hope to do the same in the future, but if I do find Mrs. WIA by way of Colombia, it won't be because I don't think I can't pull another chick, or that I need to get out the game while the getting is good.

I've seen too much.
I've experienced too much.

WIA

Post of the day...just 6 minutes after midnight?

(10-08-2014 07:14 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 06:44 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 10:58 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ohionukes - are you really 50 and are consistently pulling girls in their early/mid 20s in the US?

Yes. it surprises me still. Since I don't look 50, that is a big plus, plus I have a good job and income. My game is 90% internet, 10% nightclub...

That you can manage that with primarily Internet game is actually more surprising to me than if it was mostly nightgame or daygame.

Even here in Eastern Europe - where online dating seems to be on the rise (I've noticed an increase just in the year and a half I've been here), though I'm sure it's still far from as booming as in the US - it's very rare I get responses from women under 30 (the few I have and who wanted to meet, have been the easiest to get into bed though), and I'm only 38.
I changed my profile photo a few months ago and got a massive surge in "likes", but the overwhelming majority was from women between 30 and 40.

Since I get virtually no questions regarding my age and about an expected number of positive responses and outcomes when I'm talking to women in their early to late twenties in bars, clubs etc., I'm guessing a fairly substantial number of the under 30 girls online are screening me out primarily on the age listed next to my photo.

It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

(10-07-2014 11:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't really know GK that well, but I understand women a little bit.

I also have eyes.
I make observations.
I make connections.

You're not always going to be in the gym, drinking a gallon of milk, doing HIIT.
You're not always going to eat right.
Injuries will take longer to heal.

Your career may not go as planned, or as you hoped.
Your business may fail, your investments may tank.
You may move to a new city and have to start your social circle from scratch.
Maybe even a new country, and have to learn a new language, a new culture.

Even through all of that, your ability to connect with another human being does not have to diminish. You can make friends at any age. Telling jokes, swapping stories, trading silent looks....never ends.

If you can do that, you can bag bitches. bitches galore.

So many guys are caught up in what a girl sees. Because guys judge everything by what it looks like, they assume that's how EVERYONE processes information. At the same time, these same guys will tell you all bitches are crazy, and none of them are logical.

It NEVER occurs to them, that a woman may evaluate things differently, that a woman might see things differently.

And this love affair with "men's logic" is what makes them never notice the world around them. Anything that upsets the apple cart has to be an exception. At no time do men question the rules, the logic, the rationale.

I don't know GK.
I don't care if was into P4P.

I do know men GK's age who are fucking 25 year olds without having to be a whoremonger or a sugar daddy.

Those kind of guys see something and they go after it.
Do they get laughed at?
Do they have to break out the Cialis/Viagra?
Do they look stupid in a young man's clothes?
Do people think the nice cars are compensation for physical shortcomings?

Sure they do.

And while the peanut gallery snickers, he's breaking a chick off a piece of his kit-katbar.

What's most interesting is that a lot more men could be taking advantage of the situation, but they've become beat down by society, they become risk averse. Some of that is biochemical of course, missing a set of hormones, but if you're aware of it, you still have free will.

There are still things you can do.

I'm not knocking marrying a pretty foreign wife. I hope to do the same in the future, but if I do find Mrs. WIA by way of Colombia, it won't be because I don't think I can't pull another chick, or that I need to get out the game while the getting is good.

I've seen too much.
I've experienced too much.

WIA

Another great reply by WIA.
The part I highlighted is so true, life will throw you roadblocks. Many which you will not be prepared for and that will come at the wrong time. You will also make mistakes, that sadly you won't realize until later in life.
This is living......

It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.
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What sites are you using ? Do you list your real age on them and current pictures ?
You must be in great shape for your age.

It's great to hear stories like yours ohionukes. Befriending or meeting older guys who still manage to have a cool lifestyle allows you to see what is possible and make you realise you don't need to step in line.

(10-08-2014 12:50 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 11:16 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  

It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

Its the same in the UK...its mainly the career woman who expects it all.
They also get pumped up by all this 'cougar' rubbish which is quite amusing.
The large influx of EE chicks is slowly helping to bring them back to reality but the arrogance/delusion with some is quite staggering.

Although I am a new member on this forum, one thing in particular I have noticed that is lacking in perspective is developing relationship skills somewhere along the lines in your 20s and 30s.

There seems to be a general disdain for "oneitis" but I don't think it's such a black and white issue. I think having a couple LTRs during your younger years is really important for when the time comes to actually settle down later in your life. Why you might ask?

Well...a lot of men on this board do seem to want to settle down at some point, whether that involves having children, getting married, or whatever. But the simple matter is that there are actually two components to game: pickup game (for getting girls) and relationship game (for keeping them around). There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the first on this board and not a lot for the latter. If you have relatively no relationship skills it is going to be very difficult to have a functional marriage for when you want it regardless of the girl you choose to do it with.

If you stay single almost your entirety of your life and just say "one day I'll get married and have kids" then you might be setting yourself up for disaster. Relationships are actually quite complex, and can only really be functional if you have some prior experience with them through trial and error.

I am 26 years old and by no means a relationship expert but I do have a one year+ relationship under my belt and I learned a shitload through that process. I think finding a girl that you really enjoy to be with and having a stable, and especially loyal (if she wants it that way that is), relationship is a really important life experience.

I mean, do you really think you can just crash course a marriage with kids with no prior or significant relationship experience in your repertoire? Women can be wily creatures and they can wear you down to a fraction of a man you once were if you don't know how to manage them in a serious relationship. And if you want children, having a strong and healthy relationship with their mother is truly vital to their development as human beings.

So I guess it's kind of just a throw of caution to the wind for some of you on here; if you find a girl you really like, test out the relationship waters, you might be surprised at how rewarding it can be. Of course, it can also be a total clusterfuck but it's worth the risk for the potential reward.

(10-08-2014 11:16 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

Online I set my age as 49 -- scans a lot different from 50.

There's a hell of a lot of magic thinking going on in women's heads about their SMV.

The 36 year old online slut may be able to "get with" an guy the same age, but she's not likely to "get" him.

(10-08-2014 03:29 PM)Americas Wrote:  I am 26 years old and by no means a relationship expert but I do have a one year+ relationship under my belt and I learned a shitload through

When I was 26 I went through a very acrimonious divorce after a one-year marriage. That was a great learning experience!

Anyone want to tell me what the "GK 'outing'" is? I'm pretty regular around here but have no idea what that is a reference to. Because of that, I don't really get the focus of this thread.

(10-08-2014 05:43 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Anyone want to tell me what the "GK 'outing'" is? I'm pretty regular around here but have no idea what that is a reference to. Because of that, I don't really get the focus of this thread.

The Greek Kamaki / Roosh encounter, see this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043.html

This comes out of that as more of a philosophical medication about older guys like GK.

(10-08-2014 04:44 PM)tdawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 11:16 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

Online I set my age as 49 -- scans a lot different from 50.

There's a hell of a lot of magic thinking going on in women's heads about their SMV.

The 36 year old online slut may be able to "get with" an guy the same age, but she's not likely to "get" him.

Not the case outside the USA, that's why my Badoo is blowing up with messages from women 32-45 here in Dubai. Granted, these are all Filipino and a few Ethiopian guest workers with nothing, but this is the Travel forum.

I've just been with a 38 year old Filipina here. She's got a great body, even a booty which is rare among Filipinas, and a pretty face with perfect teeth. I would have been overjoyed to fuck her when I was 18. My mind was warped into a scarcity mentality when I was young because I went to an all-boys prep school then spent years in the US Army in a remote part of Germany. So I look at things from that viewpoint now.

One thing about being "a certain age" is that you meet a lot of women of "a certain age" who think you are their last best hope. Even if you control their expectations, just by maintaining contact you are giving them fantasies, hopes. Are you responsible for those hopes? I don't know.

I've been with so many divorced women, widows, never married over the last two years since my marriage went to shit. I give them the Sp5 experience, and because of culture and circumstances and mostly their age, they're not likely to find anything better for the rest of their lives. It's not like pumping and dumping a 22 year old who will move on easily to the next one. So there are six or seven women thinking or dreaming about me. Right now. Sometimes it makes me sad, because I'll have to fade out on them eventually. Then I think of the value and excitement I added to their lives, and I don't feel so bad.

Even with the girl tonight, she's very pretty but kind of limited in that Filipina way. Not much to talk about. I know I am a potential liberation from drudgery for her, but as long as I reach down and can feel her wet between the legs, I know there's something more going on, maybe it's my blue eyes or something.

There's one girl in Manila, I met her last year. She was a 42 year old virgin. Just a family-and-church girl. She's taken to me well, plus she's smart, can discuss things in the world with a good vocabulary and could even support me with her profession. She might be the keeper.

(10-08-2014 12:50 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 11:16 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  

It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

What sites are you using ? Do you list your real age on them and current pictures ?
You must be in great shape for your age.
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I have tried a lot of them. I like okcupid since I think the girls there tend to be wilder - a fair number of bisexuals, and more adventuresome. There is an okcupid question - how many dates before sex. A lot of girls put 1-2 dates, even the girls I met in Kiev, and my experience is they werent lying. Match and POF suck. I wouldnt say I am in great shape, decent - I need to lose 10 pounds and hit the gym more. I just have more of boyish face, not necessarily a GC look.

I use current pics and real age. I went to Kiev once and changed my age to 37, which I can usually pull that off if I have had enough sleep (haha). I was just interested in racking up the flags. I think it definitely increased my response rate. But it caused one problem - I actually met a girl in Kiev I really liked. She was a 24 year old doctor. Since I thought she actually might be someone I could get serious about, I told her my real age. She didnt even care and still wanted a relationship with me, so lowering my age didnt matter. That being said, if I were going to different countries just to get a flag, I would put my age as low as I think I could reasonably pull off - it will affect response rate.

(10-08-2014 05:46 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 05:43 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Anyone want to tell me what the "GK 'outing'" is? I'm pretty regular around here but have no idea what that is a reference to. Because of that, I don't really get the focus of this thread.

The Greek Kamaki / Roosh encounter, see this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-41043.html

This comes out of that as more of a philosophical medication about older guys like GK.

(10-08-2014 04:44 PM)tdawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2014 11:16 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  It is a weird thing here in america, at least for me. when I write to girls 30-40, I don't usually get many responses. My theory is that girls 30-40 think they can STILL get guys close to their age. As if dating a guy 50 would be an admission of defeat. It is a perverse world when I can get more replies from girls in their 20s than in their 30s. I try to target alternative chicks - they are less conforming to social norms and, in my experience, easier to get.

Online I set my age as 49 -- scans a lot different from 50.

There's a hell of a lot of magic thinking going on in women's heads about their SMV.

The 36 year old online slut may be able to "get with" an guy the same age, but she's not likely to "get" him.

Not the case outside the USA, that's why my Badoo is blowing up with messages from women 32-45 here in Dubai. Granted, these are all Filipino and a few Ethiopian guest workers with nothing, but this is the Travel forum.

I've just been with a 38 year old Filipina here. She's got a great body, even a booty which is rare among Filipinas, and a pretty face with perfect teeth. I would have been overjoyed to fuck her when I was 18. My mind was warped into a scarcity mentality when I was young because I went to an all-boys prep school then spent years in the US Army in a remote part of Germany. So I look at things from that viewpoint now.

One thing about being "a certain age" is that you meet a lot of women of "a certain age" who think you are their last best hope. Even if you control their expectations, just by maintaining contact you are giving them fantasies, hopes. Are you responsible for those hopes? I don't know.

I've been with so many divorced women, widows, never married over the last two years since my marriage went to shit. I give them the Sp5 experience, and because of culture and circumstances and mostly their age, they're not likely to find anything better for the rest of their lives. It's not like pumping and dumping a 22 year old who will move on easily to the next one. So there are six or seven women thinking or dreaming about me. Right now. Sometimes it makes me sad, because I'll have to fade out on them eventually. Then I think of the value and excitement I added to their lives, and I don't feel so bad.

Even with the girl tonight, she's very pretty but kind of limited in that Filipina way. Not much to talk about. I know I am a potential liberation from drudgery for her, but as long as I reach down and can feel her wet between the legs, I know there's something more going on, maybe it's my blue eyes or something.

There's one girl in Manila, I met her last year. She was a 42 year old virgin. Just a family-and-church girl. She's taken to me well, plus she's smart, can discuss things in the world with a good vocabulary and could even support me with her profession. She might be the keeper.

Hey - dont dismiss the ethiopians. I got my ethiopian flag in america when she was here doing some modeling, and made me long for my next one.

FYI ----
Q: What is the best part of getting a blowjob from an Ethiopian girl?
A: You know she is going to swallow.

My reasons for getting married again after becoming redpill had alot to do with not wanting to be an old man with kids. I put my body though a alot, as a fighter, and I know that I cannot or will not be able to chase around little kids in my 50s. I may not even have the patience for all that bullshit either. It might not seem all that great from a financial perspective, but I am willing to take that sacrifice now instead of waiting forever. What good does money do, when you are too tired to catch a kid that is seconds away from drinking poison or doing something dumb?

This world may be anti family now, but that is not a good excuse to live without one. The Bible says we are in this world, but not of it. Just because everyone else lives a certain way, does not mean that I should. I have never followed the herd on anything. I have always been the black sheep of my family. Funny how I turned out the only one living a life as if I am in the 1950s and have kids now. At least for now I am the only one. We shall see.

The Manosphere has men at all stages in it. Some are young and just trying to get their needs/dick wet whatever. Some are a little bit older and still living the single life. That's okay in my opinion because guys can start families late in life and I think everyone needs to take their time and do it right, when they are ready. It takes a long time and alot of effort to build things like families, communities, etc. On the other hand it takes seconds to destroy and we all know how quickly feminism has hurt our own lives and others.

As we build up our knowledge base in the Manosphere of all kinds of codex like information that men of all ages can draw from, many will eventually look around for the next challenge of life. That is what men do. This family of mine challenges me in so many ways, every single day. It feels good to me because I feel like I am working on the next level of what my life means to me as a Christian and as a man. That said, everyone else will feel the call for something greater at a different time. I just hope I can help at least a few others when it is their decision to step in the same or similar direction. So far so good.

There are many many other small things I could talk about, that factor in like knowing a good deal when I see one (Chinese girls), enjoying being treated like a king by my wife, simple joys like watching my wife interact with our kid that looks like us, and the joys of having defined roles in the household and never having to discuss it, but those are just smaller things. The big picture is always central to me. I have to have meaning in life to do something. Knowing that I try to shape my reality to suit that desire to the best of my ability.

Eventually I will get old. My knee started fucking up before the cold front came in and I told my wife it's probably the seasons changing and she did not believe me. Then later the temp dropped fast and fall is here. My back hurts as I type this even. Anyone with circumstances like mine, better get their shit in order faster than the dudes you see around you. I'm talking to busted up former athletes here.

As for all this Greek Kamaki and p4p stuff. What he did to Roosh was ultra-fucked up. I would have taken him up a wall and then another if it were me. I don't mind all this p4p stuff (I still personally do not like it and I am still generally anti-p4p) and I have a few friends that engage in it pretty heavy, but the key difference between them is that they are upfront and honest about it when talking to me. Their character stays intact due to their sheer honesty. All of these guys are older than me as well. I still think it is unnecessary to use that as a hobby, but that is their choice. I don't think age has any larger meaning in context with p4p over other factors. I think logistics matters alot more in that regard.

(10-08-2014 03:29 PM)Americas Wrote:  Although I am a new member on this forum, one thing in particular I have noticed that is lacking in perspective is developing relationship skills somewhere along the lines in your 20s and 30s.

There seems to be a general disdain for "oneitis" but I don't think it's such a black and white issue. I think having a couple LTRs during your younger years is really important for when the time comes to actually settle down later in your life. Why you might ask?

Well...a lot of men on this board do seem to want to settle down at some point, whether that involves having children, getting married, or whatever. But the simple matter is that there are actually two components to game: pickup game (for getting girls) and relationship game (for keeping them around). There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the first on this board and not a lot for the latter. If you have relatively no relationship skills it is going to be very difficult to have a functional marriage for when you want it regardless of the girl you choose to do it with.

If you stay single almost your entirety of your life and just say "one day I'll get married and have kids" then you might be setting yourself up for disaster. Relationships are actually quite complex, and can only really be functional if you have some prior experience with them through trial and error.

I am 26 years old and by no means a relationship expert but I do have a one year+ relationship under my belt and I learned a shitload through that process. I think finding a girl that you really enjoy to be with and having a stable, and especially loyal (if she wants it that way that is), relationship is a really important life experience.

I mean, do you really think you can just crash course a marriage with kids with no prior or significant relationship experience in your repertoire? Women can be wily creatures and they can wear you down to a fraction of a man you once were if you don't know how to manage them in a serious relationship. And if you want children, having a strong and healthy relationship with their mother is truly vital to their development as human beings.

So I guess it's kind of just a throw of caution to the wind for some of you on here; if you find a girl you really like, test out the relationship waters, you might be surprised at how rewarding it can be. Of course, it can also be a total clusterfuck but it's worth the risk for the potential reward.

This is really good. You hit on a lot of very important points. I am 52 and I have been married for 20 years with kids. I can say that I have not mastered game by a long shot. But I am working on it.

But I have gotten pretty good at relationship game. And it did not start out that way I was as blue pill as it comes. I was a pussy in my own house. Successful married with two great kids and lots of fun adventurous activities travel the american dream. But I was miserable. Because I was so beta.

I eventually figured it out. Partially due to the manosphere. And getting a handle on my marriage and gaming my wife was an all out knife fight. But I did it. And now the entire family is in a better place.

As for what you say above. It is not easy to get the skills to handle your woman in a relationship. And to make matters worse. Many guys on here have this super power. That if they don't like what is going on in their LTR they can just go out and get another bitch. Thats great for having options. But that is going to cause problems maintaining a LTR. And it causes one other problem. And I have seen this discussed a lot on here. Particularly a while back about getting a Ukrainian wife.

The debate was on one side that Ukranian/Russian wives are the best because they want a marriage and that they are much better than western women and that is the way to go. To me that is a pretty good start. From here you would apply game and your experience with relationships.

Then there was the other side that said these bitches will cut your heart out the minute you take your eye off of them. And if you bring them back home they will become westernized within about a year and then cheat on you or use the american judicial system to fuck you over. Well this may be but at some point you have to trust someone. And that point is going to come for all of us. But even more dangerous is this attitude that you don't need them and you can just indefinitely keep them at arms length and not get fully committed to a woman. I do not believe this that would not be a LTR and that would guarantee that they would try to fuck you over or leave.

I think that if you want to find out if you can or cannot get into a LTR with a woman. You better be looking inward more than outward. Once you find a decent woman and the Ukrainian/Russian women seem to have many of the basic traits. Looks attitude desire to be in one, traditional upbringing. Then it is all on you. Remember your the man she is going to follow your lead.

Matter of fact if you think it is the women that are wrong. You may want to check again. You can tell everything you need to know about a man by the women he picks.

All of this is still a journey where we learn about ourselves.

(10-07-2014 01:28 PM)Global Entry Wrote:  I guess what made me write this thread is a bit of a disconnect I'm seeing in many postings on RVF. I constantly see references to old, out of shape sex tourists in various locations. I see denigration upon denigration of these individuals for what they do.

At the same time, I see a lot of discussion among RVF'ers about how they'd never marry, never lock onto one woman, and expect to stay free and unattached their whole lives. Presumably, this would include their middle to old age.

Some guys are just never going to get a decent looking piece of ass unless they pay for it...so they just don't have a lot of options except to go ugly or pay for it one way or the other ...and that sometimes includes marrying them and bringing them stateside.

Other guys just augment their pussy intake by doing P4P during slow periods.

And then there are guys that just prefer an honest P4P relationship over leading a girl on into believing that the relationship has a chance of becoming something meaningful to her.

In a lot of third world countries the only way many girls have of making it in life.... is to hook up with a guy that honestly cares about her. So some guys don't feel right about leading a chick on and instead prefer to be upfront and strike some kind of a P4P deal.

I'll admit that a lot of times it just plain looks ugly to see some of these mongers in action...but I have seen some pretty damn hot Colombianas popping out the babies of some damn ugly broke ass Colombiano that looks just as bad.

It is eye opening to see the degree that some women will compromise themselves and some what awe inspiring to see what others will do without..... just to.... not sell out.

(10-09-2014 05:37 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  The debate was on one side that Ukranian/Russian wives are the best because they want a marriage and that they are much better than western women and that is the way to go. To me that is a pretty good start. From here you would apply game and your experience with relationships.

Then there was the other side that said these bitches will cut your heart out the minute you take your eye off of them. And if you bring them back home they will become westernized within about a year and then cheat on you or use the american judicial system to fuck you

Reminds me of that wonderful story arc in "Orange is the New Black" with the pathetic worm Assistant Warden and his gold-digging Ukrainian wife and MIL. Sheesh.

(10-09-2014 05:47 PM)WEDO Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:28 PM)Global Entry Wrote:  I guess what made me write this thread is a bit of a disconnect I'm seeing in many postings on RVF. I constantly see references to old, out of shape sex tourists in various locations. I see denigration upon denigration of these individuals for what they do.

At the same time, I see a lot of discussion among RVF'ers about how they'd never marry, never lock onto one woman, and expect to stay free and unattached their whole lives. Presumably, this would include their middle to old age.

Some guys are just never going to get a decent looking piece of ass unless they pay for it...so they just don't have a lot of options except to go ugly or pay for it one way or the other ...and that sometimes includes marrying them and bringing them stateside.

Wrong. Any pussy of good quality requires money to keep or obtain. No pussy is free and everyone understands that, but the only reason those guys won't get a decent piece of ass is because they are fucking lazy or mentally unstable/incapable. Commitment to self improvement is mandatory to get with above average women. Some guys do not need to improve alot due to good looks or wealth and some guys have alot they need to improve upon. P4P is a shitty excuse for a lack of game and self improvement. p4p is fine if you just want to fuck to get a quick nut at whatever expense you are willing to take, but no man is so pathetic that they must rely on that unless they have a very serious disability physical or mental. Outside of that, ugliness is not an excuse. Being poor is not an excuse. Being beta is not an excuse. Being old is not an excuse. Anyone with access to the Manosphere/RVF really has no fucking excuse to use p4p as a crutch.

(10-10-2014 10:00 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 05:47 PM)WEDO Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 01:28 PM)Global Entry Wrote:  I guess what made me write this thread is a bit of a disconnect I'm seeing in many postings on RVF. I constantly see references to old, out of shape sex tourists in various locations. I see denigration upon denigration of these individuals for what they do.

At the same time, I see a lot of discussion among RVF'ers about how they'd never marry, never lock onto one woman, and expect to stay free and unattached their whole lives. Presumably, this would include their middle to old age.

Some guys are just never going to get a decent looking piece of ass unless they pay for it...so they just don't have a lot of options except to go ugly or pay for it one way or the other ...and that sometimes includes marrying them and bringing them stateside.

Wrong. Any pussy of good quality requires money to keep or obtain. No pussy is free and everyone understands that, but the only reason those guys won't get a decent piece of ass is because they are fucking lazy or mentally unstable/incapable. Commitment to self improvement is mandatory to get with above average women. Some guys do not need to improve alot due to good looks or wealth and some guys have alot they need to improve upon. P4P is a shitty excuse for a lack of game and self improvement. p4p is fine if you just want to fuck to get a quick nut at whatever expense you are willing to take, but no man is so pathetic that they must rely on that unless they have a very serious disability physical or mental. Outside of that, ugliness is not an excuse. Being poor is not an excuse. Being beta is not an excuse. Being old is not an excuse. Anyone with access to the Manosphere/RVF really has no fucking excuse to use p4p as a crutch.

I have met a couple of guys here in Colombia that really have no chance of getting a really attractive woman and that is what they want. I guess if they had unlimited funds something drastic could be done.....instead he went to the Philippines and it seems to have worked out for him.

Wedo,
What's wrong with these guys? Lack of funds? Too old? Physically deformed and paraplegic?