Post: #1801

(09-27-2014 01:51 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  I have never understood the point of Poland.

Central European girls sleep around almost as much as Western girls, which makes them unfit for anything longer than one night. They may be sweet, but they operate like Western-style whores, and in my book a whore is never fit for a relationship.

They also carry the burden of being harder than in other places. If your objective is just sex, why not go to Scandinavia or Africa, where you can get laid pretty much every other day? If you want a relationship, the girls must be both sweet and conservatively relationship-minded, even if at the cost of difficulty. There is a clear polarization, both mindsets are mutually exclusive. I don't see the point of going to these "grey areas".

OMIT...Its OK, Kamaki, myself and many others are very happy in Poland thankyou....each to his own as they say.

Post: #1802

(09-27-2014 01:51 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  I have never understood the point of Poland.

Central European girls sleep around almost as much as Western girls, which makes them unfit for anything longer than one night. They may be sweet, but they operate like Western-style whores, and in my book a whore is never fit for a relationship.

They also carry the burden of being harder than in other places. If your objective is just sex, why not go to Scandinavia or Africa, where you can get laid pretty much every other day? If you want a relationship, the girls must be both sweet and conservatively relationship-minded, even if at the cost of difficulty. There is a clear polarization, both mindsets are mutually exclusive. I don't see the point of going to these "grey areas".

It looks like you're never going to say which "5 countries" you deem fit for relationships. are you afraid men will follow your advice and swarm these places?

Post: #1803

(09-27-2014 01:51 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  If your objective is just sex, why not go to Scandinavia or Africa, where you can get laid pretty much every other day?

Getting laid in Scandinavia every other day - please show us where and how.

Post: #1804

I burnt badily yesterday.After almost securing a MILF in BeeJays I got headaches by the shots she made me drink one after the other.I left the place for 22 where the competition with polish guys was fierce.On Saturday bodies fall there everyone pushes trying to get access to girls.
Cuba Libre way more easy I had a girl telling me her favourite island in Greece is Lesbos.
Generally it is a heaven if you are 25-35 years old.
Czekolada very cliquish students who stick to each other.Guys operating at weekends nights will find it very difficult due to masses of cock joining in after 12.00.For some it will be mission impossible.
I discovered Bee Jays a real MILF heaven.There you cannot fail the MILFs respond really hardcore and control the game.

Post: #1805

I cannot stress enough how convenient the situation with polish MILFs is.Actually you do not have to do anything they lead the whole interaction.They ask you all the gaming questions they tell you their age,tell you to buy them drinks,invite to dance with them and then kiss isolate etc.They do everything themselves they are heavily experienced.The response in the field of MILFs was so good that if there were not for the hot students in the nearby clubs I would stick to the MILF bar.Their girlfriends are also helpful they squeeze their breasts on you while talking and do all the ground work although they know their friend is engaged,married or has boyfriend.
MILFs can also facilitate you to find other women mine tried to hook me up with a nearby girl as well when she saw I was interested in her.
Maybe one should ditch completely the college girls for the MILFs but the difference in appearance does not allow easily for that(polish women keep their asses,breasts and legs in very good shape as they age but their face deteriorates considerably.

I also noticed that many girls interest vanished once I told them I visited Poland for vaccations.You lose about 80-90% of your chances by saying so.
But the interest level for Greece and Greeks is quite high.I would say very high.
I noticed very few foreigners with girls in clubs and all of them were rather average girls(the kind I would never hit on).For the hottest girls there is heavy competition with polish guys to the point of confrontation.They act like dogs guarding in some cases although generally Poles lose their focus by the heavy drinking which is understandable.

Generally in Poland I feel like the football player who knows the field he is sure he can score given the level of competition but age betrays him and fails.You think you can do it,the running the dribbling the scoring because you have done that before but in reality you run slower,your shoots are not so powerful because you are older the mind is not adjusted to the body changes.
A Greek guy 10 years younger than me of good appearance if he did exactly what I did(the same system) would lay one hot girl every two days.Probably he will never do that(given no experience or money resources or even presence) but I give a measure.
It would be interesting to visit Poland with a wing to see how assists will go.I experienced this in CR where I visited with a young Albanian guy I told him what to do to coordinate and we took phone numbers from every pair of good looking girls passing by.
The same in Greece just by controlling 2 meters of road in a resort we managed to get 2 pairs of polish girls in 2 days.If the wing is compliant and follows the orders it is really very easy.

Post: #1806

(09-28-2014 04:07 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It would be interesting to visit Poland with a wing to see how assists will go.I experienced this in CR where I visited with a young Albanian guy I told him what to do to coordinate and we took phone numbers from every pair of good looking girls passing by.
The same in Greece just by controlling 2 meters of road in a resort we managed to get 2 pairs of polish girls in 2 days.If the wing is compliant and follows the orders it is really very easy.

Kamaki I'm italian and, as you know, ilia fatsa, ilia ratsa.

Post: #1807

In Poland best nights are Thursdays and Fridays, on Saturdays too many people, confusion, and the competition is more elevated. Generally considerations of Kamaki about weekend are similar to what I have seen. The nightlife is now at the levels of April and May.
I have to stress as well the importance of wings, especially when you approach a girl who is with a friend. Kamaki underlines the importance of the age, and it's true, but I think that at the same time the experience in Slavic environments is important.
On the other end, coming only for a weekend don't allow to achieve special results, for evident time limitations.

Post: #1808

Saturday is brutal.You get into direct competition with masses of guys.Not for the faint hearted.Polish cocks flow in mass demolishing everything to their direction.
It is possible to extract though if you have a high level of experience and competence because you have very small window of time and you have to exploit it to the maximum.
Polish women friends seldom cockblock you you can entertain 3-4 women simultaneously.The main importance of the wing in Poland is to act as anchor to keep the girls in place and position while the other guy rotates and does the card play as we say in Greece opening girls and creating opportunities.It is movable vs unmovable.Once you keep your position you risk that the girls leave after a while to dance possibly never to return.If you leave your position early you risk totally losing the girls.It needs a quick calibration of the real chances but one gets always distracted by the masses of hotties coming in all the time so the temptation to detach is big.

Coming for weekend only can create results as I witnessed on May and April when I had the luxury of visiting again next weekend to take advantage of the leads.The element of surprise is important.Once you get known your push power reduces because news travel fast between girls.
In order to burn a small place like Poznan one month is enough.Then most of the girls you will meet in clubs will likely know about you.Polish girls look very similar so you cannot really remember who you approached last weekend.The students are interconnected in some degree.

Post: #1809

Examples of MILF thinking.
Meo you live alone?
MILF:No,I stay with a guy.
Me:Does he often shop for you?
MILF:No.No.He is very stupid.
Then she kisses me in mouth and says:Will you buy shots for me?
Me:Yes.What do you want?
...
MILF:Come to dance with us.
Me:I am a terrible dancer.I dance only disco polo.
MILF:If you want to have polish girl you need to dance with her.
Me:I will try then.

Post: #1810

Wednesday and Thursday you have a lot of ladies night and this is the time where students go out the most. On Friday, you have a mix of workers and students. On saturday due to many students going back to their home for week end, clubs are mostly packed with local workers. I talk for Krakow because most of students are not from Krakow itself but from villages, small cities around.

Regarding the age, I think it's most how you look like than how old you are. I am currently on my 33 years and I still get 20 old students because I look quiet young - for my age -.The way you dress plays a role also. Anyway, it's a combination of different factors.

Speaking a little polish gives you also a huge adventage. By opening in Polish I've never had any rejection from girls. It makes them laugh because of your accent and you stand up from tourist groups. I saw very average foreigners getting cute girls just because they were speaking polish.

Post: #1811

(09-28-2014 06:43 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 04:07 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  It would be interesting to visit Poland with a wing to see how assists will go.I experienced this in CR where I visited with a young Albanian guy I told him what to do to coordinate and we took phone numbers from every pair of good looking girls passing by.
The same in Greece just by controlling 2 meters of road in a resort we managed to get 2 pairs of polish girls in 2 days.If the wing is compliant and follows the orders it is really very easy.

Kamaki I'm italian and, as you know, ilia fatsa, ilia ratsa.

We say una fatsa una ratsa.The problem with Greek guys is that they are anarchistic by nature you tell them to do one thing and they do exactly the opposite.They see the small opportunity and lose the big picture.Or they are exploitative badmouth you in face of the girls to gain points.(example of wing who I had arranged to come as a trailer after openingo not take him(me) seriously.He is kamaki(pick up guy).He is babes-guy,pussy-guy.

Post: #1812

(09-28-2014 07:48 AM)zuma Wrote:  Wednesday and Thursday you have a lot of ladies night and this is the time where students go out the most. On Friday, you have a mix of workers and students. On saturday due to many students going back to their home for week end, clubs are mostly packed with local workers. I talk for Krakow because most of students are not from Krakow itself but from villages, small cities around.

Regarding the age, I think it's most how you look like than how old you are. I am currently on my 33 years and I still get 20 old students because I look quiet young - for my age -.The way you dress plays a role also. Anyway, it's a combination of different factors.

Speaking a little polish gives you also a huge adventage. By opening in Polish I've never had any rejection from girls. It makes them laugh because of your accent and you stand up from tourist groups. I saw very average foreigners getting cute girls just because they were speaking polish.

Saturday is the day when most polish clubs get packed with polish dudes who mainly visit at this day.To the upside of this they sometimes bring to the clubs very hot girls and acquaintances themselves.Their level of assertiveness is high and they always hit on girls in pairs.They also have tactique not strategy but tactically they are very advanced especially in control of frame which foreigners lack.They keep the tension in the right level all the time.
33 years old is very different than 40.With 33 you are still in the right age basket.
I carry whole conversations in polish with girls who do not speak English.It is of great help.
I did not see foreigners do particularly well in Poznan by live approaches.There were times when I was among 20 foreigners and the only one who had girls around him.
Polish guys are a lot more dangerous than foreigners.They can eliminate you in seconds if you are unprepared,

Post: #1813

(09-28-2014 07:48 AM)zuma Wrote:  Wednesday and Thursday you have a lot of ladies night and this is the time where students go out the most. On Friday, you have a mix of workers and students. On saturday due to many students going back to their home for week end, clubs are mostly packed with local workers. I talk for Krakow because most of students are not from Krakow itself but from villages, small cities around.

Regarding the age, I think it's most how you look like than how old you are. I am currently on my 33 years and I still get 20 old students because I look quiet young - for my age -.The way you dress plays a role also. Anyway, it's a combination of different factors.

Speaking a little polish gives you also a huge adventage. By opening in Polish I've never had any rejection from girls. It makes them laugh because of your accent and you stand up from tourist groups. I saw very average foreigners getting cute girls just because they were speaking polish.

Saturday is the day when most polish clubs get packed with polish dudes who mainly visit at this day.To the upside of this they sometimes bring to the clubs very hot girls and acquaintances themselves.Their level of assertiveness is high and they always hit on girls operating in pairs.They also have tactique not strategy but tactically they are very advanced especially in control of frame which foreigners lack.They keep the tension in the right level all the time.
33 years old is very different than 40.With 33 you are still in the right age basket.
I carry whole conversations in polish with girls who do not speak English.It is of great help.
I did not see foreigners do particularly well in Poznan by live approaches.There were times when I was among 20 foreigners and the only one who had girls around him.
Polish guys are a lot more dangerous than foreigners.They can eliminate you in seconds if you are unprepared,

Post: #1814

Quote:Wednesday and Thursday you have a lot of ladies night

Are there others besides Czecholada?

Post: #1815

He talks about Krakow.In Poznan ladies nights take place only in Czekolada.
However in the weekends Czekolada is worse than 22 and Cuba Libre.22 has a constant flow of girls and it is hit and miss.It is playground for polish guys almost no foreigners visit there.It reminds of clubs Cherry and Teatr in Wroclaw.It has hardcore dedicated regulars.Czekolada has also regulars.Cuba Libre has constant renewal of girls who visit for some hours and then get out.
In Cuba Libre girls expect foreigners to hit on them and they choose.In 22 it is big game because certain girls there visit in order to fuck and polish guys know that so the competition for the willing girls is fierce.
Czekolada is visited in the weekends mostly by girls who want to dance see their friends etc although polish girls are always open to approach.

In the weekdays the situation changes completely.Czekolada is the place to be 22 is irrelevant and Cuba Libre has very few noteworthy girls.
There are much fewer guys in Czekolada so the ratios get considerably better.The girls are less than in the weekend but you can wait there is time to approach them while in the weekends you have to be very fast since if you are late half a minute guys come and talk to them before you move.
In the weekends actually you have to keep your eye on several pairs of girls watching every movement in order to find the right exact second and angle to approach and sometimes even then you get unlucky meaning they escape or you get blocked by other guys.
In weekdays it is very relaxing not much noise and crowds some pairs of cute girls waiting etc not a demanding hektisch environment.

Post: #1816

(09-28-2014 07:39 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Saturday is brutal.You get into direct competition with masses of guys.Not for the faint hearted.Polish cocks flow in mass demolishing everything to their direction.
It is possible to extract though if you have a high level of experience and competence because you have very small window of time and you have to exploit it to the maximum.

In general I noticed that on Saturday best thing to do is going out early and starting approach when clubs are not still packed. In other nights during the week it's usually the contrary: you have to wait at least midnight-1am before finding the good atmosphere and create opportunities.

Quote:Coming for weekend only can create results as I witnessed on May and April when I had the luxury of visiting again next weekend to take advantage of the leads.The element of surprise is important.Once you get known your push power reduces because news travel fast between girls.
In order to burn a small place like Poznan one month is enough.Then most of the girls you will meet in clubs will likely know about you.Polish girls look very similar so you cannot really remember who you approached last weekend.The students are interconnected in some degree.

In a weekend you can have the mental advantage to be 100% concentrated on pickup, to do the best in the small amount of time. It's like having a sort of holiday mood.
While as a resident you may be more relaxed and wait for the good moment.
From what I have seen, the interconnection between students are stronger in Poznan and Wroclaw than in Krakow. In Krakow you barely see this phenomen: most of the people go out in small groups. It's one of the reason why Krakow is in my opinion better than other student cities close to German border.

Post: #1817

Students usually visit Czekolada which has two floors only and the one is not always open.The bar area is not big meaning every girl can see what you do from a distance if it is not heavily crowded.22 is ideal for pick up with 3-4 floors,positions in stairs,hidden corners,tables,5-6 bar lines which separate you totally from the other girls so you can hit on quite a few of them.
So the students who visit Czekolada regularly and of course in the weekend know about everyone there which means you become known inevitably among students population after some weekends of pick up.
In Wroclaw students are even more interconnected than in Poznan because in Poznan many of them usually work as well so they do not have time for sitting,gossiping etc while in Wroclaw the work prospects are much fewer so they spend most of the time in social activities.This creates a relative block in Wroclaw.

Post: #1818

(09-28-2014 11:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Wednesday and Thursday you have a lot of ladies night

Are there others besides Czecholada?

As Greek mentioned I was talking about Krakow.

On Wednesday > Coco
On Thursday > Cien, Frantic, Coco or others small clubs without age control like Club Afera.

Post: #1819

Also daygame varies a lot in Poland.Some days are excellent some not so much.The other possibility are Pijalnas.Actually many poorer students who cannot afford the clubs and really want to drink go there but the level of talent is usually low although there can be some gems.Polish guys use Pijalna as hook up spots.
I met a good looking girl there who was drinking alone having visited Poznan from her village.She had already drank 4 beers till 20.00.
Many polish women told me polish girls like drinking.

Post: #1820

(09-27-2014 01:16 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I just lost a rather good case in Pijalna.She was ideal I was sure I would baptize my dick tonight.However at the end she told me you are too old for me despite the fact I did everything by the book.I want to kill my older self I just imagine what I could have done here 10 years ago and get crazy.Then I prefered CR and Ukraina.
Girls are so recpetive here it is just the obstruction of age which I am not used to.I mean a guy with half my experience could kill it here just because he is 5-10 years younger.Only if he intends to of course.

Hi Greek.....i appreciate your intel on Poland! don't you think its about time you started lying to these chicks about your age? I thought lying to chicks to maximise your chances if or when necessary was an intricate part of Game?

Try lying to them and see the difference. Just sharing with you what works for me.

Post: #1821

Slavs can tell the age of us Mediteraneans correctly.It is difficult to hide years.
On the other hand I usually fail to tell the age of slavic females because they age different than ours.

Post: #1822

(09-28-2014 12:17 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 07:39 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Saturday is brutal.You get into direct competition with masses of guys.Not for the faint hearted.Polish cocks flow in mass demolishing everything to their direction.
It is possible to extract though if you have a high level of experience and competence because you have very small window of time and you have to exploit it to the maximum.

In general I noticed that on Saturday best thing to do is going out early and starting approach when clubs are not still packed. In other nights during the week it's usually the contrary: you have to wait at least midnight-1am before finding the good atmosphere and create opportunities.

Quote:Coming for weekend only can create results as I witnessed on May and April when I had the luxury of visiting again next weekend to take advantage of the leads.The element of surprise is important.Once you get known your push power reduces because news travel fast between girls.
In order to burn a small place like Poznan one month is enough.Then most of the girls you will meet in clubs will likely know about you.Polish girls look very similar so you cannot really remember who you approached last weekend.The students are interconnected in some degree.

In a weekend you can have the mental advantage to be 100% concentrated on pickup, to do the best in the small amount of time. It's like having a sort of holiday mood.
While as a resident you may be more relaxed and wait for the good moment.
From what I have seen, the interconnection between students are stronger in Poznan and Wroclaw than in Krakow. In Krakow you barely see this phenomen: most of the people go out in small groups. It's one of the reason why Krakow is in my opinion better than other student cities close to German border.

Imagine I have to operate after 11 hour train ride I just change clothes and throw myself to the camin of clubs.I have no minute to spend.I noticed the other foreigners were way more passive.I would fuck the MILF yesterday but the headache from the shots would turn me to pieces and today I had one more 11 hour train ride which became 13 hour by the German incompetence.

Post: #1823

Is Dragonbar in Poznan still a sausage fest? The girls there tend to be more hipster, but are very receptive.

Post: #1824

I do not know where it is.I also do not have clear picture about SQ and Slodownia because I was there only two times and they were different in crowd in these two times.
In my opinion the obvious choice is Czekolada for the week days and Cuba Libre and 22 for Friday and Sunday.There is all the action.
I try to imagine roosh in my position I think he would do better in Czekolada in week days because in 22 and Cuba Libre you operate under time and space limitations.
A persistent guy meaning a guy who can stay the whole night to secure a bang can have success in 22.It is a tough environment with sometimes harsh rejections but it is worth it.Poznan has also the best daygame spot I have seen in Poland and the second best I have seen overall after Kreshatik in Kiev.

Post: #1825

@GK
"Maybe one should ditch completely the college girls for the MILFs but the difference in appearance does not allow easily for that(polish women keep their asses,breasts and legs in very good shape as they age but their face deteriorates considerably."

There is a saying in USA "desperate times call for desperate measure". Unless I am 50 years old I would not resort to MILF's and even then I would try SEA before going down this route. It seems that if college hotties are out of reach perhaps the migration of us older players needs to continue heading east, and instead of 11 hour train rides, maybe 15 hour train rides.