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Aliblahba 路 2014-09-27 13:20:00 路 #3201
@ Cattle Rustler, did you ever land a job in Midland yet?
scotian 路 2014-09-27 18:29:00 路 #3202
(09-26-2014 08:14 PM)Cowboy Rooskie Wrote:  I really figured driving a haul truck in Fort Mac would pay more than $35.00 an hour?

What do other Heavy Equipment Operators make? If anyone knows I'd appreciate it.

I know....I'm reading. Almost 60 pages in the last two days.

It depends, haul truck is basically entry level from what I understand, yes those big huge trucks are what guys start out on and they move up from there, so $35.00/hour is reasonable, actually its pretty good for entry level. From what I understand, the contractors pay that rate for the heavy hauler drivers (North American Construction Group and KMC Mining, for example) but on some sites, the drivers are employed directly by the oil company and they make a bloody fortune, they start at $52/hour, for unskilled labour! My room mate is an operator at one of the big mines, he works 7/7 and operates all types of heavy machinery (but not the haulers) and with no overtime, he grosses about $170,000/year and last year his year end bonus was $40,000 (pre-tax). Of course he works some OT shifts and the guy grosses about $230,000 year, not too shabby.

If anyone has any specific questions about being an operator in the oil sands, I can ask my room mate, I know one thing for sure, those aren't easy jobs to get, for obvious reasons!
komatiite 路 2014-09-27 18:54:00 路 #3203
Jesus that is some serious money especially with the 7-7 rotation! I envision 30 new members to this thread on Oct 1, each one a guy from Ontario asking how he can land a job like that with a background as a cashier in Toronto and a BA in Sociology!
Atlantic 路 2014-09-27 19:06:00 路 #3204
I have gotten a solo job for the winter. Roughly 3 weeks drilling with a week between moves. So as near to a set schedule as drilling can allow. If things go well I can keep this project for as long as I want. I will wait and see what the conditions are like though cause I know this company can be a little cheap.

Its 12-14hrs north of Edmonton in the far north of BC. I have been preparing since I came back from Ireland so haven't had much chance to meet anyone lately. I will try catch people my next week off.


Also would anyone who is moving out here want me to put together resumes for them?
If a few people are interested I might do a few (good quality and relevant to the drilling industry) for a small fee.
I have helped a few people already who have gone on to get hired but its quite time consuming for me to do for free (not that I minded but if people wanted it as a fixed service).
Let me know - I don't need the money, just justifies the time spent typing up a resume. Actually Ill probably spend it all on Krausers daygame book haha.
WesternCancer 路 2014-09-27 19:31:00 路 #3205
^^ I'd definitely take you up on that except my resume consists of a degree a summer job and a real job
Atlantic 路 2014-09-27 19:38:00 路 #3206
^Dude you have a degree and a real job - you are golden!

I got some great creative resume skills. I know what to write that they won't check and how to correctly write the stuff they will for maximum effect.
Also things like stapling a photocopy of your courses and driving licence plus clean record on the back (said this to some forum member lately who got hired at a job fair !? - can't remember who though. I got a few more tricks as well.

I am pretty sure that I can make anyone's resume ideal for getting hired.
If people are interested in this like the post above or PM me and if I get enough I will write up a more detailed post about how it would work.

Again this isn't about me cashing in - just it takes time to do this for people so a small fee is fair. I am still happy to tell people how to get hired for free, its just not practical when it comes to typing up resumes etc. for people.

In fact if other people had services like food programs for gym, visa forms filing etc. I would imagine that they could make some small extra coin too ( I would happily pay for a lot of small things that saves me time when I am not working) - Just a thought.
komatiite 路 2014-09-27 19:43:00 路 #3207
Congrats on getting your solo job Atlantic... Enjoy that dirty fuckin gamma from the Liard/Horn River whichever one you are doing. I did many a well there as a geo and have never been more bored with that shitty rock on the horizontal runs!

Guys, don't sleep on Atlantic's offer here- this guy is really doing a great service by looking over resumes, a hell of a lot more useful than googling some bullshit resume template! Western Cancer, there is tons of shit you can put in there besides job experience, personally I am a big fan of putting coursework and tickets on resumes, it usually lands many hits for me. Have ATL take a look and I am sure he can let the creative juices flow and make it look like you have been tripping pipe for over a decade!
pitt 路 2014-09-27 19:54:00 路 #3208
Sounds great Atlantic.

How much are you charging for it?
Cowboy Rooskie 路 2014-09-27 19:55:00 路 #3209
That's more in line with what I was expecting pay wise for operators in a mine.

I went on my own in the late 90's and $36.00 an hour was operator pay in the Illinois local. I was $24.00 as a laborer and welder's helpers was the same. That was a pipeline job in top of the food chain local in the U.S.

I'm finishing up some jobs and have to sell an excavator then I am planning on coming up sometime this winter. Is it damn near impossible for a mid forties american to get a work permit? I'm thinking about driving up and looking for a job then trying to get everything squared away. Does that sound like a workable plan other than the pain in the ass aspect? In rereading the thread and taking notes I haven't included any visa issues. Facepalm!!!

If you don't mind what was your friends background before working in the mine and what are they looking for?

On page 80 BTW?
scotian 路 2014-09-27 19:58:00 路 #3210
(09-27-2014 07:55 PM)Cowboy Rooskie Wrote:  That's more in line with what I was expecting pay wise for operators in a mine.

I went on my own in the late 90's and $36.00 an hour was operator pay in the Illinois local. I was $24.00 as a laborer and welder's helpers was the same. That was a pipeline job in top of the food chain local in the U.S.

I'm finishing up some jobs and have to sell an excavator then I am planning on coming up sometime this winter. Is it damn near impossible for a mid forties american to get a work permit? I'm thinking about driving up and looking for a job then trying to get everything squared away. Does that sound like a workable plan other than the pain in the ass aspect? In rereading the thread and taking notes I haven't included any visa issues. Facepalm!!!

If you don't mind what was your friends background before working in the mine and what are they looking for?

On page 80 BTW?

My friend was a bar tender and a UPS delivery man, they want guys who can pass a drug test, read and speak English and aren't physically handicapped. It
won't be easy to get a work permit though, although you may qualify for a NAFTA sponsored work permit, look into it.
Cowboy Rooskie 路 2014-09-27 20:10:00 路 #3211
I'm a dual citizen, United Kingdom. Would getting my British Passport open any doors if the NAFTA angle doesn't work out?

I'll check out the NAFTA deal. Thanks a bunch. If you pull any ass tonight stick your finger in her ass and tell her the American's are coming!!!
Atlantic 路 2014-09-27 20:48:00 路 #3212
(09-27-2014 07:54 PM)pitt Wrote:  Sounds great Atlantic.

How much are you charging for it?

Ill figure that out tomorrow. Probably run it through PayPal.

Got a girl coming over to fuck from online game last winter. Never even meet her once before. Just texted a bunch of old numbers and instant response. Id keep good leads out here and text them every few months. Girls are always becoming available/switching relationships.
Tresdus 路 2014-09-28 10:01:00 路 #3213
(09-27-2014 08:48 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  
(09-27-2014 07:54 PM)pitt Wrote:  Sounds great Atlantic.

How much are you charging for it?

Ill figure that out tomorrow. Probably run it through PayPal.

Got a girl coming over to fuck from online game last winter. Never even meet her once before. Just texted a bunch of old numbers and instant response. Id keep good leads out here and text them every few months. Girls are always becoming available/switching relationships.

What do you open them with? Just "What's up name?" I've got so many numbers that never went anywhere I'd like to try that.
Cowboy Rooskie 路 2014-09-28 10:42:00 路 #3214
(05-24-2014 12:38 PM)komatiite Wrote:  There are so many new forum posters from the USA who ask how to break into the oil sands, but honestly cannot think of any posters who actually made the move. I don't read the forum too much so probably missed a few. But instead of having people pester Scotian with PMs, maybe if you are American and made the move to the oil sands, post up here with a brief comment. I am interested to hear on how the transition for Americans is, especially after seeing some successes from our European brethren thus far... Is the immigration process way too fucked up for Americans? I assume it would be easy for a guy with 10 years experience as an engineer for Shell in Houston to make the move into Canada, but what about younger guys or folks with little oil experience?

THIS^^^^^

I will say the visa issue looks challenging if your to old for a student work permit. It seems like a chicken or egg deal. Need an offer to get a Visa but need boots on the ground to get a good job. But don't need to look for a job on a tourist Visa then turn around and apply for a work permit. Makes my head hurt thinking about it.

Of course there has been some success calling, presenting yourself well and being on the ball. BTW, that knowledge comes from reading the entire thread. ?

Just some insite which may or not be true as far as American's....JMO. People in the North where Unions are strong really don't have much incentive other than overtime to come up. Their base pay is at or above what is paid in the patch.

The south where wsges are low and people should have more incentive really don't have a Union presence.... or the verifiable skills to go along with it. Lot's of incredibly talented people here but no way to verify their experience but word of mouth. It's hard to work your way to the top only to start over at the bottom. Reputation is incredible.... as long as you stay in somewhat the same circle. Pipeline work is this way. You have to have a union card to work the better jobs but it really doesn't mean much if you want to travel. Your reputation is where the phone calls come from.

I'm pretty adventurous but for most people working in Canada might as well be on the moon. I was on the side of a mountain in Colorado looking at a feller buncher two years ago and it was 8 below zero. People around here acted like I was racing a dog sled in Alaska. Personally, I've been to Canada and liked it. This is a good opportunity to go back and settle down. For me it's more about lifestyle than money. We'll see if I can make it happen.

If any American's are up there drop a data sheet. It would be much appreciated.
Sundinology 路 2014-09-28 10:48:00 路 #3215
Finally finished reading the thread...didn't wanna ask any questions til I got to the end.

I'll be driving up from Ontario first week of Nov. Have a 4 x 4 sport utility, plan to trade it in a 4 x 4 pickup once I start workin (wish I could afford to do that now).

Only question I really have, I have seen a mention or two of getting physicals and fitness testing on top of the drug testing. Anybody gone through this? How fit are they expecting one to be? I'm currently 245lbs and 6'3", but hopefully by the time I get out there I'm down to 235ish...working out every day and eating proper in preparation. I have good strength, but my cardio could stand improvement...so I've been focusing on that. Thinking of joining a Crossfit gym for the next 4 weeks but truth be told I can't stand those type of workouts, think they would be good prep though for the patch.
buko 路 2014-09-28 11:47:00 路 #3216
(09-28-2014 10:48 AM)Sundinology Wrote:  Finally finished reading the thread...didn't wanna ask any questions til I got to the end.

I'll be driving up from Ontario first week of Nov. Have a 4 x 4 sport utility, plan to trade it in a 4 x 4 pickup once I start workin (wish I could afford to do that now).

Only question I really have, I have seen a mention or two of getting physicals and fitness testing on top of the drug testing. Anybody gone through this? How fit are they expecting one to be? I'm currently 245lbs and 6'3", but hopefully by the time I get out there I'm down to 235ish...working out every day and eating proper in preparation. I have good strength, but my cardio could stand improvement...so I've been focusing on that. Thinking of joining a Crossfit gym for the next 4 weeks but truth be told I can't stand those type of workouts, think they would be good prep though for the patch.

The physical i had was pretty easy. At first they ask you about your medical history. Then they check your hearing, your vision, blood pressure, your lung function and do a urine test.
Afterwards i needed to do 10 pushups, 10 squats, 10 crunches, walk along a straight line, touch my nose with both fingers and lift a 20lb sandbag to show proper lifting techniques. There were some more exercices but i forgot them.
The physical exam varies by the job you want to do and the company.
Hope that helps
Atlantic 路 2014-09-28 12:41:00 路 #3217
(09-28-2014 10:01 AM)Tresdus Wrote:  
(09-27-2014 08:48 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  
(09-27-2014 07:54 PM)pitt Wrote:  Sounds great Atlantic.

How much are you charging for it?

Ill figure that out tomorrow. Probably run it through PayPal.

Got a girl coming over to fuck from online game last winter. Never even meet her once before. Just texted a bunch of old numbers and instant response. Id keep good leads out here and text them every few months. Girls are always becoming available/switching relationships.

Snapchat. Every week I just send a group pic of something cool/fun/hot. This time it was after gym pic. When a girl responds favourably I flirt a little then ask them when they want to hang out. This girl was keen to meet for drinks but I said I dont drink - call over and watch a movie. She has sent me a few naughty pics before so it was already implied me would fuck. We chatted for about five minutes first then bingo.

I actually had a massive post on easy lay game this morning but I pulled the plug. Its too much to write in one post. I would prefer to do an audio haha.

What do you open them with? Just "What's up name?" I've got so many numbers that never went anywhere I'd like to try that.
Atlantic 路 2014-09-28 12:42:00 路 #3218
^Ha I wrote in your quote box. Im on my phone so its hard to type.
Atlantic 路 2014-09-28 12:43:00 路 #3219
Snapchat. Every week I just send a group pic of something cool/fun/hot. This time it was after gym pic. When a girl responds favourably I flirt a little then ask them when they want to hang out. This girl was keen to meet for drinks but I said I dont drink - call over and watch a movie. She has sent me a few naughty pics before so it was already implied me would fuck. We chatted for about five minutes first then bingo.

I actually had a massive post on easy lay game this morning but I pulled the plug. Its too much to write in one post. I would prefer to do an audio haha.
Sundinology 路 2014-09-28 14:02:00 路 #3220
(09-28-2014 11:47 AM)buko Wrote:  
(09-28-2014 10:48 AM)Sundinology Wrote:  Finally finished reading the thread...didn't wanna ask any questions til I got to the end.

I'll be driving up from Ontario first week of Nov. Have a 4 x 4 sport utility, plan to trade it in a 4 x 4 pickup once I start workin (wish I could afford to do that now).

Only question I really have, I have seen a mention or two of getting physicals and fitness testing on top of the drug testing. Anybody gone through this? How fit are they expecting one to be? I'm currently 245lbs and 6'3", but hopefully by the time I get out there I'm down to 235ish...working out every day and eating proper in preparation. I have good strength, but my cardio could stand improvement...so I've been focusing on that. Thinking of joining a Crossfit gym for the next 4 weeks but truth be told I can't stand those type of workouts, think they would be good prep though for the patch.

The physical i had was pretty easy. At first they ask you about your medical history. Then they check your hearing, your vision, blood pressure, your lung function and do a urine test.
Afterwards i needed to do 10 pushups, 10 squats, 10 crunches, walk along a straight line, touch my nose with both fingers and lift a 20lb sandbag to show proper lifting techniques. There were some more exercices but i forgot them.
The physical exam varies by the job you want to do and the company.
Hope that helps

Piece of cake, thanks man!
Albertron 路 2014-09-28 15:35:00 路 #3221
A point I'd like to mention:

- Someone from the previous page suggested that if you have a university degree and are applying for a labourer position, that you omit listing your degree on your resume. Terrible, terrible advice. Why are you intentionally reducing your qualifications? Because you are afraid of the hassle? That's like saying that in order for me to get in with these group of girls I'm trying to pick up at the bar, I should dumb myself down to their ditzy level. Fuck no.

Case in point: During my second week here, still unemployed and looking for work, I walked into one of the well-servicing offices in Edmonton and was immediately given an interview with a recruiter. Asked about my qualifications, I told her I had none on an oil rig, but plenty of labourer experience (bullshit on my resume). She looked over my resume, and the conversation went as so:

Recruiter: Ahh, I see you graduated from university
Me: Yep
Recruiter: Why is it that you want to work here then?
Me: To make a SHIT ton of money, something I can't do back in Toronto
Recruiter: *chuckles* That's fair enough. Are you aware of how our operations work? Are you familiar with the harsh conditions of work?
Me: Absolutely (I had no idea)
Recruiter: Ok! When are you available to work?

All they care about is having readily available, and capable, hands to assist in their operations. Having your university degree in your resume does NOT impair your chances because it exceeds their expectations in looking for available workers. Especially with oil rig operations at the lower, more entry level positions, turnover rates are very, very high.

(09-27-2014 06:54 PM)komatiite Wrote:  Jesus that is some serious money especially with the 7-7 rotation! I envision 30 new members to this thread on Oct 1, each one a guy from Ontario asking how he can land a job like that with a background as a cashier in Toronto and a BA in Sociology!

Let them ask away. There will always be guys who do way too much talking, reading and analyzing, and not enough networking and applying the info they've learned. Paralysis by analysis.

There are way, way too many chumps here; guys with the spine of a jellyfish that lack conviction behind their words. I don't know how it is in Fort Mac but there are a lot more chumps here than I expected. Lately I've been pretty fed up to them, to the point where I gave a direct and honest "Fuck you" to one of my co-workers for being a fucking snake.

(09-28-2014 10:48 AM)Sundinology Wrote:  Only question I really have, I have seen a mention or two of getting physicals and fitness testing on top of the drug testing. Anybody gone through this? How fit are they expecting one to be? I'm currently 245lbs and 6'3", but hopefully by the time I get out there I'm down to 235ish...working out every day and eating proper in preparation. I have good strength, but my cardio could stand improvement...so I've been focusing on that. Thinking of joining a Crossfit gym for the next 4 weeks but truth be told I can't stand those type of workouts, think they would be good prep though for the patch.

buko's reply to this a few posts up matches my experience when I had to do my fitness and drug testing. I would like to add, though, that it is not necessary for you to be physically fit for you to do well on the oil rigs.

Case in point: During my first rotation on the rigs (21-4), I did a lot of sweeping snow, tripping pipe and rod, and carrying heavy ass shit around, usually pipe and/or tools. -40 degrees Celsius outside on the daily. My meals were pretty healthy: made sure to have some Gatorade and/or water, some turkey or chicken sandwiches, some fruits and a protein shake. I'd make sure that once I turned in, I'd take a shower, read a little, and hit the sack right away, so I was able to get about 6-7 hours of sleep, which is on par with how much I normally sleep anyway.

I remember one of the floorhands looking at my lunch one day, while we were chilling in the doghouse, and said "Hey man, that doesn't look like too much food, I dunno if you can survive out here off of that." I looked over at what the guys are: a few packs of frozen Chinese food (the same shit you'd find at convenience stores or gas stations), several cans of that Monster energy drink, and lots of cold medication. This is what they ate every day. On top of that, after work, they'd polish off a 12 pack to their face, get about a few hours of sleep and do it all over again.

Not only did these guys have some insane cardio, but they were much, much stronger than I was. 14 hour shifts of hauling ass and lifting heavy shit all day, and they would still have enough energy to still bust my balls, make jokes and shit like that. Meanwhile, by lunch time, I was so incredibly exhausted, doing my best to keep up with them but it was clear that they were outperforming me by miles and miles.

The point I'm trying to make here is that you can go to the gym, eat healthier and all that jazz, and yes, you will be better prepared vs. one that is a piece of shit, lazy bum. But how can you appropriate your training to match the conditions of a place you've never experienced? Conditions such as the extreme cold, wind, how much snow or mud is on the ground, carrying items of varying geometries and weights take an immense toll on your body, but more importantly, a toll on your psyche. Carrying heavy shit becomes a second thought when you're wondering if your cheeks, fingers or toes have frostbite, or how hungry you are, or whether not the horrible conditions were all worth the pay (come pay day, you'll find out it is). These guys could do it because they became climatized and accustomed to the conditions of work. They got used to it.

So the best way to be ready for this type of labour? Learn by doing.

You mentioned Crossfit too. I don't like Crossfit, at all. Goes against many tenets of fitness that I follow almost religiously. I could get into it but it's a personal philosophy so if you wanna do it, up to you.
DjembaDjemba 路 2014-09-28 16:15:00 路 #3222
Being healthy is of utmost importance. However the health advise in some parts of the manosphere is oriented towards the more sedentary type of worker, IT guy, office guy, and the sit down type work in general. In the field, things are slightly different.

If you're busting your ass all day, carbs are not your enemy. They will become an essential staple of your diet. If you're working a night shift the whole mantra "going to sleep early, waking up early for production" is not going to fly. You might be hitting the bed when the sun comes out. Limiting alcohol consumption? No way, you network by getting drunk and fucked up with people out in the oil patch, even in the more professional setting.

A bit of an alternate universe really. The key is not to fall into the any of the above traps in the extremes either.

Also perhaps its not a bad idea to use the university degree to help you land a job. In my current [position] the bosses are starting to prefer university degrees because people can get higher tickets quicker and become more multifaceted (and higher paid) workers.
Atlantic 路 2014-09-28 16:21:00 路 #3223
Albertron just dropped some Gold data ^

This is great rig advice. I only worked a week directly on the rig floor so I always like reading his stuff. Thanks man.

How he only has 9 rep points and has been dropping solid info for ages is beyond me. That post alone has tonnes of good info.

About mentioning the degree thing - I was told at one interview that they wouldn't hire me because I had it. I left it off after that and had some better luck. That is only my experience and you had better luck with it on there so I am not arguing your point.


Also a word about Savanna - they tend to 'hire' people, drug test them and tell them to wait for the call. KEEP looking for other work in the meantime. They have a trend of letting people wait around for months until you are needed. If you aren't actually working you don't have a job - that goes for all trades and job offers.

Edit: Looks like DjemnaDjemba says mention the degree too so I must have just had a shit recruiter. I think that was for a lease hand position.

P.s. Just remembered when I went for an interview at bear drilling for a lease hand position. The interview was going well with this old school Big Boss type drilling guy when he asked about my truck situation. I said I had a bike to get me to the job. He said motorbikes can't go on to the rigs. I said no an actual cycle bike and pointed at my 18 speed out the window. He literally pissed himself laughing and then ended the interview. I hand't a fucking clue what I was doing at the time haha.
scotian 路 2014-09-28 18:32:00 路 #3224
^^^woah, the RVF oil sands heavy hitters are dropping some serious knowledge here, for you guys out there who haven't made the move or you guys who are new to the oil patch, you can take this advice to the bank, guys like Atlantic, Djembadjemba and Albertron know what they're doing, they talk the talk and walk the walk. This brings me to a point I wanted to bring up on here and that's of some guys doling out bad advice to newer members or guys who haven't made the move yet, I've heard some stories about certain people advising guys not to go certain routes in the oil patch and unfortunately, these guys listened to the BS. Guys, I've been doing this for 8+ years, the guys above have been doing it for 2+ and are all successful, don't take the advice of guys who moved out here a few months ago and got their safety tickets but have sat on their ass most of the time and take the bus around town, listen to us.

This isn't meant to single anyone out and I know that the guys who are giving out shitty advice mean well and have good intentions but seriously, if you haven't been out here for at least a year or so and haven't gotten any tickets in your trade, you probably shouldn't be giving out advice, focusing on yourself.

As usual, I try to respond to all PMs, so if any of you guys have questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to respond quickly, if you don't hear back within a few days then send the PM again, I may have missed it. Again, this thread is all about helping guys out and I want to keep it positive, I just don't want to see the new guys taking shitty advice and then making bad career decisions, it shouldn't be happening.

***Also, thanks to the RVF guys who agve me a hand moving into my place last week, I appreciate it!




(09-27-2014 08:10 PM)Cowboy Rooskie Wrote:  I'm a dual citizen, United Kingdom. Would getting my British Passport open any doors if the NAFTA angle doesn't work out?

I'll check out the NAFTA deal. Thanks a bunch. If you pull any ass tonight stick your finger in her ass and tell her the American's are coming!!!

Yes the British passport would help, for whatever reason its easier for a Brit to work in Canada than a Yank, probably because of the commonwealth, I'd look into that for sure.
Atlantic 路 2014-09-28 19:19:00 路 #3225
Scotian has a great point that is industry relevant. People like to talk up here, its the nature of the guys who work here. But if you want advice in a specific area look to people who are getting specific results.

Be cautious of people you work with who give you advice on any subject that they themselves are not successful in.

This goes for the forum too.

A good example on this would be I used my friends advice (who I think is about to join the forum!) to land a job in drilling and I used Scotians advice to make the move to Canada. Both had a track record of success and firsthand experience. Be careful of 'armchair oil sand guys' who are making speculative calls. This is in regards to both the forum and the patch.

If the person you meet isn't driving a massive truck, has an expensive coke habit and bangs Edmonton sluts on the reg they probably shouldn't be giving you advice!
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