Post: #76

It is very easy to slide underneath the radar in California. It's only expensive if you have to buy a house, send your kids to private school,and go out to eat every night.

Fortunes are made in NYC and San Francisco. Upper middle class is easy in L.A. for any hustler.

Post: #77

I used to worry about such matters, but I just learned to ignore. For the most part, wasting time trying to change the system is fruitless. Much happier, everything is still the same. I'm really happy in California and it is due to the weather and number of activities. The people suck here though, there's no getting around it.

Post: #78

(08-21-2014 08:54 PM)Drazen Wrote:  I used to worry about such matters, but I just learned to ignore. For the most part, wasting time trying to change the system is fruitless. Much happier, everything is still the same. I'm really happy in California and it is due to the weather and number of activities. The people suck here though, there's no getting around it.

In my mind, it's like worrying about feminism. CA is gonna be CA. I'll leave when I can find a better lifestyle.

People suck everywhere. Try moving to a city like St. Louis and telling people that you came from California. Roughly 1% of the population there would hang out with you, unless you became a Cardinals fan.

Post: #79

(08-21-2014 09:38 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:54 PM)Drazen Wrote:  I used to worry about such matters, but I just learned to ignore. For the most part, wasting time trying to change the system is fruitless. Much happier, everything is still the same. I'm really happy in California and it is due to the weather and number of activities. The people suck here though, there's no getting around it.

In my mind, it's like worrying about feminism. CA is gonna be CA. I'll leave when I can find a better lifestyle.

People suck everywhere. Try moving to a city like St. Louis and telling people that you came from California. Roughly 1% of the population there would hang out with you, unless you became a Cardinals fan.

Nope.

They are much nicer, cooler, and down to earth in Chicago and Denver hands down. Though they may not be as "interesting" as guys trying to break into entertainment or an art.

I am sure there are dozens of other cities that are the same way.

Many people in SoCal do suck for the most part. Especially the natives and double that for the white natives. There is a surfacey personality to them. Cliquey. Lower-middle class and non-whites seem more genuine and friendly as well in SoCal. I'm white here my best friends are transplants, Asians, and Latinos.

NorCal seems to create more genuine people.

Post: #80

I say the same thing whenever I'm in SF. "People here seem more real" wheras the people in SoCal are very fake and superficial. I'm sure you do get that up there, but then I'm talking about noticeable difference in the way people carry themselves. I think people in SoCal, at their core are pretty bad. I was in New York recently and I noticed people, while they were always in a hurry, seemed like nicer people, they would help you out if you asked them for help while in SoCal, people would just tend to ignore your or say they are busy.

Post: #81

(08-21-2014 04:41 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 11:41 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  Parts of California will go to s*** while others will stay beautiful. I cannot imagine any of the rich suburbs or rich beach towns becoming dystopian in the foreseeable future. But you will see middle-class and poor neighborhoods go into disarray.

I've lived in boring places too long. Lets be honest, Texas isn't nearly as fun as New York City or SoCal, and given enough money, I would certainly move to those places. Interesting places tend to have much more leftist governments, but that's never a problem so long as you have the cash and social savvy.

Honestly, would you rather live with boring old people in a rich Houston/ Dallas suburb and pay less income tax or live with interesting people in Manhattan/ any affluent SoCal neighborhood?

Life isn't all about making a political statement.

Damn right, people like to rave about texas but that's because they don't live here. Other than malls, Dallas doesn't have much.....Houston is the same but with shittier weather. Midland? You'll die of boredom.

Traffic everywhere in Texas and absolutely nothing to do, hardly any decent museums or attractions. Gotta get a BMW, place in uptown, and whatnot to compete with the bimbos.

Austin is cool though.

Even with a crapload of money and connections, not sure I'd want to live in So. Cal. Lots of sprawl, traffic, bad logistics, less $$ for savings, and not to mention the vibe doesn't appeal to me. Great to visit though just not my style.

NYC on the other hand I find much more appealing & energy-filled.

I like the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex as a whole...but biased because I'm from here. I prefer Dallas more than Ft. Worth as a city, but the suburbs of FW feel homely to me like NRH, HEB, etc.

Lot of young professionals in Dallas for 2 years + now are leaving Uptown for Henderson, Lower Greenville, White Rock Lake, Knox, the gentrified North Oak Cliff, Addison (surprisingly), Medical District, and certain spots around Downtown.

There's definitely more neighborhood options popping up for the sake of variety...but then again, I know what CR is saying because there isn't a whole lot outside of gastronomy and nightlife in the area. I am however sure young professionals in say NYC aren't there solely for Central Park, outdoorsy stuff, and museums though as gastronomy/nightlife are centerpieces there too. I can fill my time outside of gastronomy & the Dallas scene with other activities (watching sports, reading, friends, traveling, and studying languages) anyways.

Uptown is great for nightlife, but restaurants are meh not to mention residential/commercial real estate has gotten out of hand. It feels like a generic bubble atmosphere waking up in "Groundhog's Day" every morning.

With the right career & a good mindset, I think Dallas & The Metroplex is a great place to be a single bachelor. The only issue with the "trendy" areas for young professionals in Dallas & Ft. Worth would be all the car, apartment, and parking garage breakins. Then again what big city in the US doesn't have those issues.

Wouldn't like it personally for a family however with the long commutes, sacrificing lifestyle for the best school districts, and increasing costs of private schooling.

Post: #82

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Just curious. What other city in the U.S can you go to that is this easy to make $100k/year AND can live in a nice 1bed apartment in a happening area, walking distance to bars, restaurants, etc....for $1,500. Includes utilities.

My gas/electric bill in Santa Monica is less than $35/month. Take Dallas for instance. Apts in Uptown are $1100 (abt?). Tack on ac and heat of $150. Then go try and find a job making $100k. I'd be at $80k comparatively in Dallas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not Miami. Salaries suck in Vegas. NYC? Hope you like 60-hour weeks and the indoors.

Sure, its more expensive to drink here. But, its a hell of a lot less expensive to do other cool shit. Year round too. Try jogging in Dallas on the Katy trail. If a biker doesn't kill you, you can do it for abt 6 months of the year comfortably. One of many examples.

Meanwhile, I can surf in January in sunshine...for free. One of many examples.

At this point I think L.A. is only good for single people, no kids who have high income. I no longer live in L.A. but have a lot of friends back there, some of which are married and some have kids. Once you have kids out there that's when it you realize the place isn't made for the middle class. The schools are mostly horrible and you may have to opt for private schooling. You will be stuck renting a house for $3000/mo because you may not be able to buy one of those nondescript stucco shoeboxes for $500,000.

Post: #83

(08-21-2014 09:45 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 09:38 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:54 PM)Drazen Wrote:  I used to worry about such matters, but I just learned to ignore. For the most part, wasting time trying to change the system is fruitless. Much happier, everything is still the same. I'm really happy in California and it is due to the weather and number of activities. The people suck here though, there's no getting around it.

In my mind, it's like worrying about feminism. CA is gonna be CA. I'll leave when I can find a better lifestyle.

People suck everywhere. Try moving to a city like St. Louis and telling people that you came from California. Roughly 1% of the population there would hang out with you, unless you became a Cardinals fan.

Nope.

They are much nicer, cooler, and down to earth in Chicago and Denver hands down. Though they may not be as "interesting" as guys trying to break into entertainment or an art.

I am sure there are dozens of other cities that are the same way.

Many people in SoCal do suck for the most part. Especially the natives and double that for the white natives. There is a surfacey personality to them. Cliquey. Lower-middle class and non-whites seem more genuine and friendly as well in SoCal. I'm white here my best friends are transplants, Asians, and Latinos.

NorCal seems to create more genuine people.

Look, I have the same hard time connecting with the Pacific Palisades, USC/UCLA alum, parents-are-from-here crowd as anyone else. I just choose to look inward. The reason I don't connect with them is because we don't have anything to offer each other.

I'm in my 30's, and looking to go out boozing and banging chicks on the reg. Most of those people want to tailgate at the football game, go out to group dinner dates, and get into the first possible LTR, with the first acceptable girl they can find, to show off to their friends/family.

You can say something like this about any city, the characteristic just takes on different forms.

Example: I love Dallas. I love the girls, the people, and the atmosphere. There are tons of people that suck in Dallas. Sports are religion there. Bars are packed at 4pm every Saturday. Lots of rednecks out looking to fight. Girls expecting you to immediately wife them up after 3 dates. Ghetto crowds that infiltrate normal bars and clubs. Stupid arguments about whose college was better.

It doesn't matter if the people suck or not. It matters that you can be successful, and thus, happy. In California, it is easy to be successful and build a great lifestyle (minus the house).

If you can't be successful in L.A., you're not trying hard enough. There are opportunities everywhere for people that hustle. If you don't like the people here, you haven't looked long enough for the right neighborhood to hang out in. You haven't networked hard enough to find people with your same identity.

I live in Santa Monica, and yes, the people royally suck here. It takes a lot longer to fit in. I don't really care. It's more about me, and finding people that I connect with, and that are on the same level I am. You only need a few to really make a difference in your life.

Additionally, if you can't find friends in San Diego, it's you, not them. That has to be the EASIEST place in America to pick up 4-5 friends in a couple of months. Most everyone there is looking to "chill" almost every night. L.A. and SF? Different story sure.

Post: #84

(08-21-2014 10:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Just curious. What other city in the U.S can you go to that is this easy to make $100k/year AND can live in a nice 1bed apartment in a happening area, walking distance to bars, restaurants, etc....for $1,500. Includes utilities.

My gas/electric bill in Santa Monica is less than $35/month. Take Dallas for instance. Apts in Uptown are $1100 (abt?). Tack on ac and heat of $150. Then go try and find a job making $100k. I'd be at $80k comparatively in Dallas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not Miami. Salaries suck in Vegas. NYC? Hope you like 60-hour weeks and the indoors.

Sure, its more expensive to drink here. But, its a hell of a lot less expensive to do other cool shit. Year round too. Try jogging in Dallas on the Katy trail. If a biker doesn't kill you, you can do it for abt 6 months of the year comfortably. One of many examples.

Meanwhile, I can surf in January in sunshine...for free. One of many examples.

At this point I think L.A. is only good for single people, no kids who have high income. I no longer live in L.A. but have a lot of friends back there, some of which are married and some have kids. Once you have kids out there that's when it you realize the place isn't made for the middle class. The schools are mostly horrible and you may have to opt for private schooling. You will be stuck renting a house for $3000/mo because you may not be able to buy one of those nondescript stucco shoeboxes for $500,000.

I know at least 10 couples that decided to get married while dating in California, looked at those same issues, and moved back to wherever they came from. Usually those same couples didn't have parents in California, so they were completely without family support.

Post: #85

(08-21-2014 10:22 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Look, I have the same hard time connecting with the Pacific Palisades, USC/UCLA alum, parents-are-from-here crowd as anyone else. I just choose to look inward. The reason I don't connect with them is because we don't have anything to offer each other.

I'm in my 30's, and looking to go out boozing and banging chicks on the reg. Most of those people want to tailgate at the football game, go out to group dinner dates, and get into the first possible LTR, with the first acceptable girl they can find, to show off to their friends/family.

You can say something like this about any city, the characteristic just takes on different forms.

Example: I love Dallas. I love the girls, the people, and the atmosphere. There are tons of people that suck in Dallas. Sports are religion there. Bars are packed at 4pm every Saturday. Lots of rednecks out looking to fight. Girls expecting you to immediately wife them up after 3 dates. Ghetto crowds that infiltrate normal bars and clubs. Stupid arguments about whose college was better.

It doesn't matter if the people suck or not. It matters that you can be successful, and thus, happy. In California, it is easy to be successful and build a great lifestyle (minus the house).

If you can't be successful in L.A., you're not trying hard enough. There are opportunities everywhere for people that hustle. If you don't like the people here, you haven't looked long enough for the right neighborhood to hang out in. You haven't networked hard enough to find people with your same identity.

I live in Santa Monica, and yes, the people royally suck here. It takes a lot longer to fit in. I don't really care. It's more about me, and finding people that I connect with, and that are on the same level I am. You only need a few to really make a difference in your life.

Additionally, if you can't find friends in San Diego, it's you, not them. That has to be the EASIEST place in America to pick up 4-5 friends in a couple of months. Most everyone there is looking to "chill" almost every night. L.A. and SF? Different story sure.

I get your personal preference and I agree that with work, you can find a pocket of great friends in L.A. or anywhere in the world usually.

There is a huge difference though in the vibe of an entire city. There is a social energy that some prioritize way beyond their inner circle of friends while others don't.

SoCal's overall social energy sucks. You do have to work to find your group and accept that most people kind of suck. Everyone agrees to that social contract when they live here which is the mecca Me area of the Me state. It is great for breeding success and opportunities, but it comes at a sacrifice of community energy, hence self status is ultimate here over family or community.

Post: #86

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  My gas/electric bill in Santa Monica is less than $35/month. Take Dallas for instance. Apts in Uptown are $1100 (abt?). Tack on ac and heat of $150. Then go try and find a job making $100k. I'd be at $80k comparatively in Dallas. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not Miami. Salaries suck in Vegas. NYC? Hope you like 60-hour weeks and the indoors.

If we were say comparing NYC to Dallas, there is the issue of needing a car for every situation, automobile repairs, finding reliable mechanic that won't fuck you over if you're a transplant with no connections, car insurance, gas, and the car breakins that occur in nice apartment complexes where all the young professionals live. One BR apts in Uptown are going for about $1500.00+ now btw....

(08-21-2014 07:51 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  Sure, its more expensive to drink here. But, its a hell of a lot less expensive to do other cool shit. Year round too. Try jogging in Dallas on the Katy trail. If a biker doesn't kill you, you can do it for abt 6 months of the year comfortably. One of many examples.

Meanwhile, I can surf in January in sunshine...for free. One of many examples.

Due to most people living outside of Dallas in the Metroplex, you're also going to see the same fucking people over & over again jogging on the Katy Trail. There is a huge bubble syndrome residing in the city whereas "urban lifestyles" were meant to liberate people. Maybe I'm a bit delusional, but I workout to for the sole purpose of "forgetting" about shit.

Then again these are the negatives of Dallas living though I'm a fan of the Metroplex overall.

Post: #87

The thing about most other cities, they reward being average. Cities so average - they're used by marketers to test out new concepts to the masses. The rich in those cities are insufferably boring and the culture is dominated by college football, beer pong, or a combination of college football and beer pong. If you have any sort of "edge" or fashion sense, you're going to be seen as different, or even a bit queer to the status quo. Yes, they have some culture/art shows/sushi and the locals will make every claim it's just as good as NYC or LA on some per capita metric.

Dallas, not into Texas Tech/Texas/Baylor/Texas A&M football, not dressing the same way you did in 5th grade trying to climb the ranks of an oil & gas company? Well, then you're an outsider in the local young professional social scene, plain & simple. Have some friends that moved there, will say this about it, very reflective (lots of modern glass buildings) and well-maintained city. While a large middle-class is economically good, it also promotes boredom, and lots of it.

LA is the opposite, gritty-but-glamorous. Ultra wealthy but very poor. Style is promoted. It's arguably the only city that turns humpty dumpty's fatass upside down. You may be working per hour as barback, but you're in the most relevant city in the world at the same time while your married friends back home are going to yet another backyard volleyball contest debating whether or not the BCS bowl system needs to change.

It's probably been said before, but someone is either meant for LA or they aren't. I was told I was and when I got here it made sense.

Step outside, goto 7/11, listen to the old school G's blasting their 90s gangsta rap, women in short shorts, dudes on skateboards offering you hits off a blunt. California is not for everyone, but it's one of those things you'll know pretty quick.

Post: #88

(08-21-2014 10:38 PM)la_mode Wrote:  Dallas, not into Texas Tech/Texas/Baylor/Texas A&M football, not dressing the same way you did in 5th grade trying to climb the ranks of an oil & gas company? Well, then you're an outsider in the local young professional social scene, plain & simple. Have some friends that moved there, will say this about it, very reflective (lots of modern glass buildings) and well-maintained city. While a large middle-class is economically good, it also promotes boredom, and lots of it.

What you mentioned is the majority of Uptown these days. It used to be more of the mid-20s to cougarish young professional scene with an edge. I think the tide turned around 2009-2010 when it started to become more of a place for recent college grads to reside as they'd mingle with social circle only friends consisting of other people that also went to football oriented schools trying to relive their college days.

Henderson, North Oak Cliff, revitalized Lower Greenville, Lakewood, and a few good spots in Uptown (opposite of paragraph above) will provide a much more favorable scene.

Post: #89

(08-21-2014 08:35 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  It is very easy to slide underneath the radar in California. It's only expensive if you have to buy a house, send your kids to private school,and go out to eat every night.

Fortunes are made in NYC and San Francisco. Upper middle class is easy in L.A. for any hustler.

Owning a house, sending your kids to a good school etc. pretty much ARE the definition of upper middle class.

Not saying you can't live well, but you're not upper middle class if you cant do these things.

Post: #90

(08-21-2014 10:38 PM)la_mode Wrote:  The thing about most other cities, they reward being average. Cities so average - they're used by marketers to test out new concepts to the masses. The rich in those cities are insufferably boring and the culture is dominated by college football, beer pong, or a combination of college football and beer pong. If you have any sort of "edge" or fashion sense, you're going to be seen as different, or even a bit queer to the status quo. Yes, they have some culture/art shows/sushi and the locals will make every claim it's just as good as NYC or LA on some per capita metric.

Dallas, not into Texas Tech/Texas/Baylor/Texas A&M football, not dressing the same way you did in 5th grade trying to climb the ranks of an oil & gas company? Well, then you're an outsider in the local young professional social scene, plain & simple. Have some friends that moved there, will say this about it, very reflective (lots of modern glass buildings) and well-maintained city. While a large middle-class is economically good, it also promotes boredom, and lots of it.

LA is the opposite, gritty-but-glamorous. Ultra wealthy but very poor. Style is promoted. It's arguably the only city that turns humpty dumpty's fatass upside down. You may be working per hour as barback, but you're in the most relevant city in the world at the same time while your married friends back home are going to yet another backyard volleyball contest debating whether or not the BCS bowl system needs to change.

It's probably been said before, but someone is either meant for LA or they aren't. I was told I was and when I got here it made sense.

Step outside, goto 7/11, listen to the old school G's blasting their 90s gangsta rap, women in short shorts, dudes on skateboards offering you hits off a blunt. California is not for everyone, but it's one of those things you'll know pretty quick.

I don't even agree with most of this, but it was written like poetry. Beautiful man, beautiful.

Post: #91

(08-21-2014 11:09 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:35 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  It is very easy to slide underneath the radar in California. It's only expensive if you have to buy a house, send your kids to private school,and go out to eat every night.

Fortunes are made in NYC and San Francisco. Upper middle class is easy in L.A. for any hustler.

Owning a house, sending your kids to a good school etc. pretty much ARE the definition of upper middle class.

Not saying you can't live well, but you're not upper middle class if you cant do these things.

That's the definition of upper middle class for average people, generally in Middle America. That's the 90% that wants to have something all their own (house) and kids that are better than their neighbors kids.

I define upper middle class by disposable income and lifestyle. There is a lot of opportunity in CA to make 100k and live in an apartment for $1,500/month, thus creating high disposable income. I'm asking where else you go in the U.S. to do this that is easier than CA?

I'm not saying that the lifestyle here in CA is free. We give up a lot of traditional "comforts" in exchange for the weather, outdoor sports year round, girls, and entertainment.

Also, a nice house and good schools are not that far out of reach. Dual incomes and living in the West Valley is attainable.

Post: #92

What is this talk of $1,500/month for a nice 1br in a good area of LA talk???

That is what it costs for a small 1br in a nice part of LA.

If you want a really nice 1br apartment (good view, nice apt complex, great amenities, convenient area, etc.), you are going to spend more than that. Realistically, you will probably have to shell out closer to $1,800/month (or more) for a nice 1br in LA's better areas.

Add to that a car, which in LA, even a new 3-series BMW is commonplace, and your costs start to add up.

Add in high cost of gas, higher taxes, cost to park, etc. and the cost to live in LA start to add up.

For me, I would only live in Cali if I had enough cash to live in a condo near the beach. Otherwise, the costs outweigh the benefits.

Post: #93

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Post: #94

(08-21-2014 11:34 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  What is this talk of $1,500/month for a nice 1br in a good area of LA talk???

That is what it costs for a small 1br in a nice part of LA.

If you want a really nice 1br apartment (good view, nice apt complex, great amenities, convenient area, etc.), you are going to spend more than that. Realistically, you will probably have to shell out closer to $1,800/month (or more) for a nice 1br in LA's better areas.

Add to that a car, which in LA, even a new 3-series BMW is commonplace, and your costs start to add up.

Add in high cost of gas, higher taxes, cost to park, etc. and the cost to live in LA start to add up.

For me, I would only live in Cali if I had enough cash to live in a condo near the beach. Otherwise, the costs outweigh the benefits.

That's exactly my point. It's easier to get paid in CA, and when you do, it's easier to create disposable income and a great lifestyle than in places like Dallas, St. Louis, Atlanta, etc. The costs are not that much higher, unless you have to buy a house and put your kids in private school.

CA is not as bad as people make it out to be.

If you actually had experience in a condo on the beach (I have), you might find that it's not all it's cracked up to be with tourists, beach rats, and stoners everywhere you look. People in Mission Beach don't open their doors after dark because of threats of break-ins. Your car rusts out and it's balmy most mornings. And no-one really cares about your car as long as it's clean. Girls in the 20's are poor anyway and aren't looking for a 3-series.

Post: #95

$1,500 a month gets you into anything in San Diego, outskirts of Hermosa, Venice, West LA, Hollywood, Studio City, and Sherman Oaks.

I've been in Santa Monica for a couple of years at $1,400. Apartment behind a house, quiet, can walk to multiple restaurants, grocery, and 6 bars. 10min bike ride to the ocean.

Post: #96

(08-21-2014 11:57 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 11:34 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  What is this talk of $1,500/month for a nice 1br in a good area of LA talk???

That is what it costs for a small 1br in a nice part of LA.

If you want a really nice 1br apartment (good view, nice apt complex, great amenities, convenient area, etc.), you are going to spend more than that. Realistically, you will probably have to shell out closer to $1,800/month (or more) for a nice 1br in LA's better areas.

Add to that a car, which in LA, even a new 3-series BMW is commonplace, and your costs start to add up.

Add in high cost of gas, higher taxes, cost to park, etc. and the cost to live in LA start to add up.

For me, I would only live in Cali if I had enough cash to live in a condo near the beach. Otherwise, the costs outweigh the benefits.

That's exactly my point. It's easier to get paid in CA, and when you do, it's easier to create disposable income and a great lifestyle than in places like Dallas, St. Louis, Atlanta, etc. The costs are not that much higher, unless you have to buy a house and put your kids in private school.

CA is not as bad as people make it out to be.

If you actually had experience in a condo on the beach (I have), you might find that it's not all it's cracked up to be with tourists, beach rats, and stoners everywhere you look. People in Mission Beach don't open their doors after dark because of threats of break-ins. Your car rusts out and it's balmy most mornings. And no-one really cares about your car as long as it's clean. Girls in the 20's are poor anyway and aren't looking for a 3-series.

For me at least, the beach lifestyle is the main thing I found appealing about Cali.

Cali has some pretty cool and upscale beach communities. Living there at a decent condo with a nice car would be worth all the cost of living Cali.

But living in "The Valley" or some other godforsaken place? No way.

Post: #97

(08-22-2014 12:00 AM)CaP7 Wrote:  $1,500 a month gets you into anything in San Diego, outskirts of Hermosa, Venice, West LA, Hollywood, Studio City, and Sherman Oaks.

I've been in Santa Monica for a couple of years at $1,400. Apartment behind a house, quiet, can walk to multiple restaurants, grocery, and 6 bars. 10min bike ride to the ocean.

I was mainly talking about LA proper, so San Diego, Studio City, and Sherman Oaks don't count.

You could find a 1br for $1,500 (utilities incl.) in West LA, but it would be small. For me at least, I prefer larger 1br.

Hollywood is doable for probably less but large parts of Hollywood are a dump, so the neighborhood would be a deciding factor.

Don't have much experience in Venice or the outskirts of Hermosa to say what the prices are, but I probably wouldn't want to live there.

A condo in Manhattan Beach would be ideal, but that wouldn't be cheap.

Post: #98

(08-20-2014 10:23 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Half a century ago it was the land of opportunity. Now it's basically Greece on the Pacific.

Your points are good and I get what you are saying.

Post: #99

You can live in this Westside palace for $1545.

The landlord must be a forum member because he included that it's "near Trader's Joe's" right in the title. You can get in 5 day-game approaches per day easy there.

   

Post: #100

This one's near the mall. You can insta-date some bitches there, and then bounce her back for "drinks" in the charming courtyard. $1525.