Post: #26

(07-31-2014 02:40 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Um... those aren't "techniques". That's basic internal/external game. Explain to me how being physically attractive, interesting, and socially competent is the fast lane to the friend zone, if you don't mind.

If you do more, you won't be in the friend zone. But if it's all you do, you will be.

Quote:I am having a serious problem with the attitude in this thread that game at its core is about manipulation or tricks at all. That's bullshit, and I've never used tricks or manipulation to get pussy.

And what is wrong with this attitude?

If what you're doing works, keep on doing it.

Quote:How is being experienced with women, knowing how to read them, and how to build attraction and escalate manipulation in any but the strictest sense?

Here are two definitions.

ma·nip·u·late
verb (used with object), ma·nip·u·lat·ed, ma·nip·u·lat·ing.
1. to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner: to manipulate people's feelings.
2. to handle, manage, or use, especially with skill, in some process of treatment or performance: to manipulate a large tractor.

Another thing is that manipulating people is largely a NON-VERBAL exercise. It's about pacing, voice tone, body language, and all this other bullshit. It's the cliche: "It's not what you say, but how you say it."

I know a guy who was living off strippers for years. He wasn't good looking at all either. This guy didn't work, and people were always doing things for him. They'd give him a ride, help him move. It truly proved that game trumps everything, and it certainly works if you're a lazy bum with no job. And if it works for those guys, just think what it will do for a guy who does have a job.

The bottom line is that being a good guy doesn't matter. It's all about how good or bad your game is.

Post: #27

Im quite amused that among redpillers there are still people who cares about being a good guy, considering how much goodness is being defined by manginas and angry feminists nowadays.

Its all about having principles and sticking to them. And your principles also evolve over time.

The whole "just be an attractive man and women will flock to you" shit is so blue pill and delusional. Refer to McQueen's post on game vs self-improvement.

As if all attractive women are morally tight creatures and you dont have to play their game to get them.

Post: #28

(08-01-2014 03:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I'm quite amused that among redpillers there are still people who cares about being a good guy, considering how much goodness is being defined by manginas and angry feminists nowadays.

It's all about having principles and sticking to them. And your principles also evolve over time.

The whole "just be an attractive man and women will flock to you" shit is so blue pill and delusional. Refer to McQueen's post on game vs self-improvement.

As if all attractive women are morally tight creatures and you dont have to play their game to get them.

It also applies to careers and jobs. You get jobs and promotions by knowing how to game the people who give you jobs and promotions.

Post: #29

Don't put words in my mouth.

No point in talking to y'all because you are incapable of seeing what I'm actually saying through your own preconceptions.

Post: #30

This is why people shouldn't have a debate about ideas.

Is anyone here to write a paper about women or do we just want to get laid?

Why the heck do you need to get stressed out by those kind of bull crap?

Obviously I am not going to give a fuck about 'there are women not susceptible to game' because someone said so on the forum.
I will just simply go out with empty mind (no bull shit theories in my head)
and when I see a girl I like, I will just say 'hey how are you , what's your story?' and go from there
While someone on the forum is researching info on internet to defend his thesis.

(08-01-2014 04:38 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Don't put words in my mouth.

No point in talking to y'all because you are incapable of seeing what I'm actually saying through your own preconceptions.

Post: #31

We all manipulate each other every moment of every day. We're manipulating each other and influencing each other just by typing at each other.

I'm not much interested in the theoretical or abstract side of this. My interest is in taking things to their absolute limit, not in the lab, ON THE STREET. Because as I'm finding out and I bet many reading this are too, once you succeed at something, you want MORE. You want to push limits. You want to succeed even beyond what the experts currently think are possible.

Game works so well I think for one main reason: women are every bit as sexual as we men are, and they are looking for a way to act on that sexuality without it costing them socially or otherwise. We are just unleashing a beast that is already there. I also agree that society's ethics and morals I can wipe my ass with, but in any case I don't see the ethical dilemma with simply facilitating what really is after all perfectly natural behavior!

I'm fascinated by the idea of for example, the woman who is supposedly "happily married" for a long time, maybe only even been with that guy, and breaking her out of that mold. Or being the first guy to express fuck a woman who has made every other guy on Earth jump through flaming hoops before she even gives up a kiss. Or being the first white guy to fuck a woman who's an avowed chocolate chaser (or for our dark skinned-brothers, vice versa). Or awakening the bi side of a woman and giving her her first threesome.

If anybody has examples of any of these sorts of things, I've LOVE to read about them and we can discuss them. I think it would lead to more success for all, in a very real and concrete non-academic way.

Post: #32

I know a woman who cannot be gamed.

She's a Buddhism Dharma Master who is supposedly able to see through anyone with a single glance and has sworn away all pleasures in life. I am 100% certain that there is NO ONE in this world that can game her. So the OP is right.

Then again, why the fuck would anyone want to game her?

Post: #33

(08-05-2014 06:33 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  I know a woman who cannot be gamed.

She's a Buddhism Dharma Master who is supposedly able to see through anyone with a single glance and has sworn away all pleasures in life. I am 100% certain that there is NO ONE in this world that can game her. So the OP is right.

Then again, why the fuck would anyone want to game her?

Gaming women is all about haggling over the price of pussy. Trust me. Every woman has something that she needs or wants and will trade a little piece poon to get it if she can. It's the world's oldest barter system.

But again as you mentioned ...who would want this girl? Sounds like a beat lay.

Post: #34

Two kinds of game need to be broken down:

Game when a woman finds a man attractive (meaning just be a cool guy and display confidence if she's already attracted to you to begin with), and game when she doesn't, thus leading to "tricks", or early PUA stuff.

It's the age old, true and tried debate of game, the looks topic.

A guy with 7+ looks won't need as much game in the short-term, but will still need LTR game.

A 6ft tall, clean cut, good looking guy, rich (Christian Grey protogtype) essentially has game without having to say a word to all women. Obviously, his personality still matters.

Some women will still prefer hipsters, tatted guys, musicians, etc. There's a lot more variance with woman as to types.

The other thing, a lot of women have so many options now thanks to facebook/tinder/POF/OKC/blendr/coffeemeetsbagel, that they're willing to pass on the type of guy they would have considered a "good catch" only 10 years ago - even if that guy shows interest in them. Ratios aren't in favor of men in most of the modern world (if not all) either.

Post: #35

Lesbians?

Post: #36

(08-01-2014 03:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The whole "just be an attractive man and women will flock to you" shit is so blue pill and delusional. Refer to McQueen's post on game vs self-improvement.

I'm seeing a lot of this lately and it pisses me off because I think it's going to mislead a lot of men and undo a lot of the work that RVF and other game communities have done to help guys get better with girls. Sure, there's something to be said for putting girls second and focusing on you and your mission. But expecting that you can just show up and the chicks will be swarming you ain't gonna work unless you're famous. That's where a lot of game basics come in - approaching, escalating and closing all but have to be done by the man, esp if you're going after feminine women who aren't going to step into a role of taking the lead.

Post: #37

@dochoward: Then perhaps, you should have a word with Christian McQueen, or GManifesto oor Mystery oooor. Well you get the point.

Post: #38

(08-05-2014 09:31 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 03:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The whole "just be an attractive man and women will flock to you" shit is so blue pill and delusional. Refer to McQueen's post on game vs self-improvement.

I'm seeing a lot of this lately and it pisses me off because I think it's going to mislead a lot of men and undo a lot of the work that RVF and other game communities have done to help guys get better with girls. Sure, there's something to be said for putting girls second and focusing on you and your mission. But expecting that you can just show up and the chicks will be swarming you ain't gonna work unless you're famous. That's where a lot of game basics come in - approaching, escalating and closing all but have to be done by the man, esp if you're going after feminine women who aren't going to step into a role of taking the lead.

When people say that it means working out, dressing well, having a nice haircut etc. This is all a part of game. Game isn't just verbal.

Post: #39

(08-08-2014 06:06 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:31 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 03:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The whole "just be an attractive man and women will flock to you" shit is so blue pill and delusional. Refer to McQueen's post on game vs self-improvement.

I'm seeing a lot of this lately and it pisses me off because I think it's going to mislead a lot of men and undo a lot of the work that RVF and other game communities have done to help guys get better with girls. Sure, there's something to be said for putting girls second and focusing on you and your mission. But expecting that you can just show up and the chicks will be swarming you ain't gonna work unless you're famous. That's where a lot of game basics come in - approaching, escalating and closing all but have to be done by the man, esp if you're going after feminine women who aren't going to step into a role of taking the lead.

When people say that it means working out, dressing well, having a nice haircut etc. This is all a part of game. Game isn't just verbal.

I would go so far as to say Game is barely verbal - or at least not consciously so. And when you get your shit together women will notice. On any given night you only need to convince one girl (or two if you're playing threesome game) to go home with you. That's it. So what seem like relatively minor changes in appearance and attitude can have a huge effect on your success rate.

For me it's logistics, weight and fashion. I'm naturally a big dude and my prefered outfit is sweats, a dirty t-shirt and flip flops. If it was up to me I'd live in the boonies with a few dogs. When I'm overweight and dressing like shit I rarely get laid or even noticed. On the other hand when I get my act together, drop 20 lbs and suit up the sexual energy I get coming off of girls is palpable. Combine that with some solid logistics and the specific rap hardly matters.

Here's the things though - when I have my act together I am happier. Even though the catalyst is to get some female attention the result is that even without the women I'm a better man. So it doesn't really matter whether you get your shit together in order to get laid or just because you want to be a better man - the results will be the same.

Post: #40

Nuns, perhaps?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #41

There are women who are genuinely not excited by game (by this I mean game as the western "being a good clown" model, not a baseline level of normal male confidence). But it's inaccurate to say that they're "not susceptible", as if they were resistant to a weapon. It's just not what they desire.

After all, when game does work at its maximum power, it's because the woman's character and priorities in life are arranged so that she desires game, not because someone is tricking or drugging her with game into something she doesn't want.

Post: #42

(08-08-2014 11:39 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  There are women who are genuinely not excited by game (by this I mean game as the western "being a good clown" model, not a baseline level of normal male confidence). But it's inaccurate to say that they're "not susceptible", as if they were resistant to a weapon. It's just not what they desire.

After all, when game does work at its maximum power, it's because the woman's character and priorities in life are arranged so that she desires game, not because someone is tricking or drugging her with game into something she doesn't want.

I don't even like the idea that you're tricking a girl.

There's no trickery involved in standard game.
None whatsoever

Most guys getting into game, or been doing it, are really just expressing themselves and being assertive about what they want - but in a way that people find attractive.

Most girls don't know that this dude that looks like no one special
- is funny
- is fun to talk to
- can dance
- has a lot of cool experiences
- works out
- dresses nice
- stands for something and isn't a pushover

So if a Skyrim player hits the gym for a few months, gets a haircut and a brand new shirt, and decides he wants to talk about this amazing experience he had on this hike...

He's supposed to feel bad about that?
About showing a different side of himself?

...Furthermore, I expect that attitude from bitches.

But from dudes? Dudes in the game?

It hurts my heart.

Seriously, dude is supposed to feel bad for wanting to sleep with a good looking chick? Especially because he's not a 6'4" billionaire surfer?

They try to shame your entire existence.
And to have collaborators on our side, doing the same thing?

*fuck around and turn me into the old me*

WIA