Post: #1

I need an advice. I am taking three friends to Europe, one of them is black and one is asian. We are going mostly to get laid. Which countries we should avoid during our trip. I only know that Russia is extremely dangerous for non-white travelers. But what are the other dangerous places in terms of racism?
Foot-note: "Dangerous" I mean to be injured only because of racist and girls' reason.
Thanx in advance for all replies.

Post: #2

The whole continent is experiencing a neo-nazi revival. Middle eastern people usually experience the brunt of the wrath, but blacks and Asians are fair game too. Just stay home if you're worried about it. You could get hit by a car though.

Post: #3

What?

Europe is safe in general, no need for such alarmism. Lol.

Post: #4

This is like asking what American states you should avoid because gangs. What utopia are you from?

Rico

Post: #5

I'm not white and went through Eastern Europe this year and to my surprise I had no problems except for a possibly mentally crazy woman in Poland yelling at me (for god knows what reason). There are neo Nazi movements in most Eastern European countries but you likely won't notice it in tourist places like Krakow, Budapest, Prague, etc.

Just look at it this way, there is a certain percent of white Americans who are racist as fuck but most of them are only good for ranting about it online, they won't do anything in real life. It's like that in EE but IMHO even more so because Europeans are much less violent than Americans (less guns, less crime, less angry)

And remember that a lot of local chicks love non-white guys there so it is a great place to visit. I wish I had spent more time in Poland and Hungry for instance. So just go and don't worry about it. As long as you are in big tourist cities you should be fine.

Post: #6

Some cities in Poland are a central for nationalists , extremists and skinheads, especially amongst soccer fans:

Post: #7

Western Europe has the lowest murder rate of any region in the world and I believe all countries in the EU have a murder rate far lower than the USA, which (IIRC) has the highest murder rate of any independent country in the developed world.

However, some Eastern European countries are much more dangerous - if you consider Russia to be in Europe (which seems fair given that its largest cities are on the European side) then it has an extremely high murder rate, worse even than the USA.

Here's a graphic to illustrate:



Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

*Note that this list includes Greenland, which in my opinion shouldn't be included because a) it isn't an independent country, b) it isn't in Europe and c) its population is too small to give a meaningful result. The other figures should be fine, though.

As for skinheads and associated far-right gangs specifically, I'm relying on anecdotes here, but I believe Russia, Greece and former communist Eastern European countries such as Poland are probably the worst. I've spent a lot of time in Western Europe and am yet to come across a neo-Nazi skinhead.

Post: #8

It's overblown by the media, you will be fine. Maybe if you are loud and obnoxious in club and bars you may get some problems, but if you are respectful you won't have any trouble. I would suggest avoiding far east Serbia and Albanian though if I was you, it's only the real rundown places in the middle of nowhere in the balkans that I can see you having trouble. The most dangerous parts of cities in Western Europe are usually black and muslim areas.

Post: #9

I heard someone got killed in the UK once. Probably want to avoid it

Don't be a douchebag and use common sense. All countries have safe and not safe places. So stick to the safe areas.

Post: #10

Oh - please Asian or Black.

Running around soccer Neonazi games and the following crowds is dangerous for the common local guy as well.

Just don't be aggressive during Streetgame like some Mexican blokes did in Gdansk or Gdynia in Poland - those guys then hit a girl, because she rejected them. A few guys saw it and attacked them - beating them up badly. But that shit would shave happened to you in the US, if you hit a girl in a busy street, because she refused your dumb advances.

There is no country really unsafe - I've seen black guys pulling girls with no problems in Eastern Europe. Asians should experience no problem either. The young generation is quite open. Even Middle Eastern looking guys or Indian dudes can pull in Eastern Europe and the FSU, but it takes a bit more Game for them - irrational self-confidence being always the best.

You won't have problems around the major and minor cities in the public squares and clubs. It is way safer than many many areas in the US. Of course visiting rural Russia, Belarus or Ukraine is different, but that is basically poverty-driven. The US media paranoia about dangerous racism in the EU is just nuts. You can get killed with 10x the likelihood in Detroit than in any city in the EU.

Post: #11

The majority of French prisons are inhabited by Muslims, and similar patterns abound in other European countries (eg foreign immigrants turning Scandinavian cities into rape capitals). You are ignorant about the source of the possible threat to the point of being a race troll. If anything, the threat will come from non-white, non-Europeans, not white Europeans. Maybe you've been brainwashed by the media, but as it stands you are a borderline race troll.

Post: #12

^^^ exactly

And I don't think I ever say more than say 1 or 2 what I would call "skinheads" in Russia during my several years there. You're way more likely to get robbed or beaten by guys from the Caucuses or 'stans in Moscow than an ethnic Russian.

So OP you're either race trolling or foolishly following the mainstream media's mostly incorrect general take on things.

Post: #13

(07-15-2014 04:07 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  The majority of French prisons are inhabited by Muslims, and similar patterns abound in other European countries (eg foreign immigrants turning Scandinavian cities into rape capitals). You are ignorant about the source of the possible threat to the point of being a race troll. If anything, the threat will come from non-white, non-Europeans, not white Europeans. Maybe you've been brainwashed by the media, but as it stands you are a borderline race troll.

Come on, you cannot accuse OP of being a borderline race troll for this when you are making right wing fringe accusations. Even if you think the media blows skinhead crime in Europe out of proportion, it is a legitimate concern for a non-white person visiting Eastern Europe.

Post: #14

(07-15-2014 06:09 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 04:07 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  The majority of French prisons are inhabited by Muslims, and similar patterns abound in other European countries (eg foreign immigrants turning Scandinavian cities into rape capitals). You are ignorant about the source of the possible threat to the point of being a race troll. If anything, the threat will come from non-white, non-Europeans, not white Europeans. Maybe you've been brainwashed by the media, but as it stands you are a borderline race troll.

Come on, you cannot accuse OP of being a borderline race troll for this when you are making right wing fringe accusations. Even if you think the media blows skinhead crime in Europe out of proportion, it is a legitimate concern for a non-white person visiting Eastern Europe.

Brace yourself for the truth, because it's gonna be painful...

Quote:In France, Prisons Filled With Muslims


About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country's prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country's population.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02560.html

I didn't say whether skinhead violence is a legitimate cause of concern. It could very well be. But it is vastly overshadowed by the threat of non-skinhead, particularly non-native violence. In France, according to the statistic above, Muslims are 14x likelier to be in prison than non-Muslims.

So when someone discusses only skinhead violence, and not the elephant in the room of non-native violence in Europe, they're either ignorant or race trolling. You are clearly in the ignorant category.

Post: #15

This discussion had taken on a couple of distinct threads

1) which demographic (ie thuggish non natives, ie gypsies, criminals from the caucuses, skinheads etc) is statistically most likely to assault you in EE/FSU

2) which countries have the highest risk of a skinhead attack on a non-white

I think there have been good points made addressing both threads

I think some of the anxiety non-whites harbor is that the risk factors associated with a skinhead assault are not clear. In contrast, the risk factors associated with assault by ghetto criminals are familiar to all of us, regardless of our race or native country. Clearly, we know that risk of assault is greater in the poor areas, and non touristed areas, and areas where guys are less open minded/more nationalistic/conservative (mindsets usually found in rural areas). Basically, these are "universal risk factors" we all universally understand

I think that non-whites have skinhead anxiety because it represents a poorly understood risk factor; the chief anxiety is that even if I behave and am respectful, I could still be assaulted simply because of the color of my skin ****despite avoiding the aforementioned "universal risk factors" ***

I don't think it's race trolling. I think it's anxiety fueled by a lack of information. What if the OP was a Jewish white man? This forum is all about sharing information.

I want to thank all the contributors to this thread, as this is an anxiety I too share, and the insights the contributors have shared have helped to inform my understanding of this risk factor and useful ways to frame it.

I especially appreciate the advice that far eastern Serbia and Albania are where the highest risk factor may reside. We love specifics on this forum.

Lastly, I asked Roosh in person a couple months ago I'd he had every in his travels felt threatened with assault due solely to his race. I was drinking, so I cannot recall with confidence his answer, so please forgive me Roosh if I am misrepresenting you, but I think he said "maybe only once"

Which made me feel better

And big ups to Roosh for having the balls for forging ahead without the reassurances (from other RVF ers in this forum) we now have benefited from

Post: #16

"I think some of the anxiety non-whites harbor is that the risk factors associated with a skinhead assault are not clear. In contrast, the risk factors associated with assault by ghetto criminals are familiar to all of us, regardless of our race or native country. "

The goal of the forum here is to share truth. In this case, that is the opposite of what the media likes to report and what brainwashed yuppies in America believe: that the greatest threat comes from skinheads and that ghetto thugs don't really exist, there are just merely disadvantaged, disaffected youths roving the streets, looking for a home. So when someone comes in mouthing the media's lies, he ought to be corrected.

I have a friend who frequents Serbia, who is shall we say clearly not a native, and is in fact quite the novelty thanks to his race - and I've never heard him express serious concern about it. A little street smarts and knowing your limits goes a long way. If you're a Jew, don't drape yourself in an Israeli flag and show off your phylacteries, and don't hang out in poor Muslim areas, and you should be okay.

Post: #17

Basil-

Agree completely with what you said. Ghetto thugs are real and statistically are the most likely to assault any of us

It makes me feel better to learn from a fellow RVFer that this is mostly a media scare

Thanks again for everyone's insights

Post: #18

(07-16-2014 12:13 AM)Sandman Wrote:  Basil-

Agree completely with what you said. Ghetto thugs are real and statistically are the most likely to assault any of us

It makes me feel better to learn from a fellow RVFer that this is mostly a media scare

Thanks again for everyone's insights

I've been travelling around EE for 4 years now. While there is racism, it is usually limited on some remarks even if you encounter some skin-heads. It is extremely rare. Just go on and don't engage them by being a smartass. That can end badly even for a local guy.

I travel around sometimes with a Middle Eastern guy (born in Afghanistan) and an Obama-black guy. Never experienced racism. But we don't go to soccer matches where hundreds of police troops are making sure that things don't get out of hand.

The Neonazi-scare is way overblown. I was told that there were some major problems 12-18 years ago, when poverty was high and the youth had nothing to do. Now most of those dudes are working in the UK or have 2 kids to take care of - while working. You will find more battle-hardened Ex-Neonazis working as bouncers in the UK than on the streets of EE.

Post: #19

I think anywhere in Europe where there is a lot of poverty you should avoid . Why because the extreme right neonazi are lying to the youths that the non white immigrants are the reason for the poverty , they come to take their job so that is why when they see non white immigrants they beat and kill them , so the best is to avoid countries that dont thrive that much in other words avoid most non western europe .

Post: #20

My questions raised from real life since my friends (black and asian) faced racism in the past. Black friend was almost killed (seriously injured) in Moscow (Russia) by skinheads. He saved his own life only by saying that he was a Hip-Hop signer from the US (after that they stopped beating him). Asian friend faced skinheads in London (England) when he took the subway in the evening (several guys tried to kill him there). On the other hand both friends never faced racism in such countries like Turkey and Portugal for instance.
So, that's why I am asking about dangerous countries.
Except Russia, England, Serbia, in which countries in Europe my friends could have the same problem as they faced in Russia and England?

Post: #21

(07-16-2014 03:59 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  My questions raised from real life since my friends (black and asian) faced racism in the past. Black friend was almost killed (seriously injured) in Moscow (Russia) by skinheads. He saved his own life only by saying that he was a Hip-Hop signer from the US (after that they stopped beating him). Asian friend faced skinheads in London (England) when he took the subway in the evening (several guys tried to kill him there). On the other hand both friends never faced racism in such countries like Turkey and Portugal for instance.
So, that's why I am asking about dangerous countries.
Except Russia, England, Serbia, in which countries in Europe my friends could have the same problem as they faced in Russia and England?

I think you are a troll, "asian friend faced skinheads in London", this is not the 1970s, it would have been all over the news if an asian tourist was beaten up in London by skinhead, they are non existent now aside from certain fringe punk groups. Also 40% of the city is non white.

Post: #22

Central Europe (Including Poland) should probably be fine. If you are really paranoid about this, I'd say avoid Ukraine and Russia. I also think Ukraine and Russia should be avoided anyway if you don't speak the language since you would likely do much better in other countries. I'm not sure about the Baltics or places like Serbia, but overall there's no reason to worry about. What places where you considering for a visit?

Post: #23

Don't go to a local football/soccer game and drink all day and you should be fine. It's drunken sports rivals that are more dangerous than "skin heads" in my opinion and generally this is between people of the same race.

Post: #24

(07-15-2014 11:55 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  "A little street smarts and knowing your limits goes a long way. If you're a Jew, don't drape yourself in an Israeli flag and show off your phylacteries, and don't hang out in poor Muslim areas, and you should be okay.

This.
Listen to what Basil is saying.
I've have been to my share of dodgy and dangerous places and this is basically all you need. If you are looking for trouble, I promise you'll find it anywhere in the world. Don't be so damn tough and be prepared to to swallow your pride if it's necessary.

If locals warn you to walk through a dangerous street at night, then don't do it.

But it doesn't mean that you need to exaggerate. Ukraine and Russia is fine.
Just be streetsmart.

Post: #25

"London (England)" "Moscow(Russia)"

Do you think people dont know where moscow and london are? How ignorant are you, dayhawk?

I live in london, there are no skinhead gangs. Grow up and stop slandering other countries. You probably never left America before.