Post: #101

@It_is_my_time: Can you tell me about any rich countries that are not "socialist"?

I agree that leftist policies are not always perfect but I always wonder when people go after socialism because to me every single rich country on Earth (other than the US) is pretty much semi-socialist, including all of Western Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ, and Canada. To me the defining characteristic between a rich country and a poor country is that a rich country is capable of organizing its government to provide basic things for its citizens such as healthcare, transportation, and education. Poor countries cannot do this.

So yeah leftist economies are not perfect but would you prefer to go back to caveman days where we had no central government and hunted rabbits to eat for dinner? Okay that is an exaggeration, but would you prefer to live in Somalia where everyone just fends for himself?

Post: #102

(07-14-2014 10:27 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: Can you tell me about any rich countries that are not "socialist"?

I agree that leftist policies are not always perfect but I always wonder when people go after socialism because to me every single rich country on Earth (other than the US) is pretty much semi-socialist, including all of Western Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ, and Canada. To me the defining characteristic between a rich country and a poor country is that a rich country is capable of organizing its government to provide basic things for its citizens such as healthcare, transportation, and education. Poor countries cannot do this.

So yeah leftist economies are not perfect but would you prefer to go back to caveman days where we had no central government and hunted rabbits to eat for dinner? Okay that is an exaggeration, but would you prefer to live in Somalia where everyone just fends for himself?

The USA had its great economic boom, largely before the govt. grew so large that it impacted every thing in our lives. The more % of the economy the govt. controls, the less productive your country will be.

Why? Because govt. is not efficient. It has no motivation or reason to be efficient simply because it has no competition. Their only concern is the masses of uninformed voters finally figuring out they don't need all the govt. to exist to live good lives.

Socialism, as a I said, is simply feminist economics. The purpose of this board is to escape regions where women treat men like shit, simply because they can get away with it thanks to the govt. being their sugar daddy.

And I will not debate your strawman caveman analogy.

Post: #103

Where are your stats for re economic booms being correlated to less government involvement? The post-Depression boom occurred at the same time that FDR was implementing massive government social programs and legislation. The post-WWII boom was driven by the GI bill and highway spending. The tech boom occurred in "socialist" California and was partially based on government funded ideas like the internet.

Government may not be efficient but neither are corporations in an oligarchy which is what America is nowadays. I would rather have the govt provide healthcare, education, and transportation for all then let a bunch of 1% clowns fuck over 99% of the people so they can enrich themselves even more, which is what healthcare executives and other corporate trolls do.

No system is perfect but this idea in America that if you just let corporations rape us MORE then we would be better off cause the government is evil never has made any sense to me. It is basically caused by the GOP trolling this type of viewpoint for 30 plus years, that the government is evil when the real evil in America are corporations literally raping average Americans in every facet of their life.

And socialism is not feminist economics. Capitalism just as easily could be. The real issue is men being beta shits to women and giving them what they want economically. You can have that in free market capitalism just as easily as in a socialist system.

Post: #104

(07-14-2014 10:40 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  Where are your stats for re economic booms being correlated to less government involvement? The post-Depression boom occurred at the same time that FDR was implementing massive government social programs and legislation. The post-WWII boom was driven by the GI bill and highway spending. The tech boom occurred in "socialist" California and was partially based on government funded ideas like the internet.

Government may not be efficient but neither are corporations in an oligarchy which is what America is nowadays. I would rather have the govt provide healthcare, education, and transportation for all then let a bunch of 1% clowns fuck over 99% of the people so they can enrich themselves even more, which is what healthcare executives and other corporate trolls do.

No system is perfect but this idea in America that if you just let corporations rape us MORE then we would be better off cause the government is evil never has made any sense to me. It is basically caused by the GOP trolling this type of viewpoint for 30 plus years, that the government is evil when the real evil in America are corporations literally raping average Americans in every facet of their life.

And socialism is not feminist economics. Capitalism just as easily could be. The real issue is men being beta shits to women and giving them what they want economically. You can have that in free market capitalism just as easily as in a socialist system.

FDR's policies have played out badly as fear. Social Security is bankrupt. But at least under FDR you were expected to work to get govt. hand outs. It really went to hell with LBJ's great society of welfare handouts. The result has been a disaster.

Socialism simply does not work. Unless you believe men are unimportant and creativity is unimportant and that work ethic should be mitigated.

Either corporations will try to rape us or the govt. will. But at least corporations have to compete. IBM wants to be lazy, and then Bill Gates jumps up and bitch slaps them. Corporations still have to answer to competition and the best part is YOU can own a portion of any corporation you like. This is not the case with the govt.

Yes, the USA has become an Oligarchy, the elites and the biggest corporations push for more socialism, because the govt. regulations destroy small business and protect the elites. Every socialist shithole ends up the same. A few extremely wealthy people using govt. regulations to protect their wealth and everyone else stuck being poor with no hope of escaping it.

The GOP sucks, they just suck less than the Democrats. The Democrats are the party of the feminists, they are the party of growing govt. to destroy men. If you want to work hard and get ahead in life, the Democratic party is not for you. If you want to depend on the govt. and work minimal challenging dead end jobs, then they are the way for you to go.

And with a socialist govt. it does not matter if men give women what they want. In a socialist country the women are the majority of voters, so they own the govt and they put guns at the men's heads and say work hard, pay taxes, get no sex or go to prison. That is where the USA is today and it gets worse.

Post: #105

(07-13-2014 08:44 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  hmmmmm sign NAFTA ship middle class jobs to Canada and Mexico....destroy middle class

I wasn't gonna post in this thread but that is factually incorrect. Canada is losing jobs to Mexico (and other countries with cheap labor), not taking jobs away from America. Wages in the US and Canada for labor are pretty comparable and we usually have higher wage costs in Canada. Labor costs are slightly higher in Canada than the US. You are making it sound like Canada is some country with cheap labor and American jobs are being shipped here.

Quote:Average all-in labour costs in the sector (including wages, benefits and taxes) are now $35.76 per hour in Canada compared to $34.74 in the United States. This provides manufacturers with strong incentive to locate production in the U.S. or even lower-cost Mexico.

Source: Labour costs leave Canada behind

In fact, in the last 2 or 3 years a few American companies have closed their manufacturing plants in Ontario to move their production to the US because they could get away with paying half the wages due to non-unionization. The name escapes me but one of the companies (maybe it was John Deere?) wanted their workers here to accept a 50% pay-cut and go to $15/hour from $30/hour.

Post: #106

@It_is_my_time: Social Security is not bankrupt. It is funded for about the next 20 years, and then it can still pay something like 75% of benefits. You have to tweet the max wage base so that the mega rich pay more in FICA taxes and also means test it. That would fix it. Of course, what is the alternative? Putting even more emphasis on 401k's which financial brokerages use to rape the little guy (via trading fees).

Anyway, sometimes I wonder if people in America really even understand socialism. Basically anything that is not extremist conservatism is socialism, which of course is not true. And the irony is that conservatives survive off "socialist" programs like SS and medicare.

Post: #107

(07-14-2014 11:50 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: Social Security is not bankrupt. It is funded for about the next 20 years, and then it can still pay something like 75% of benefits. You have to tweet the max wage base so that the mega rich pay more in FICA taxes and also means test it. That would fix it. Of course, what is the alternative? Putting even more emphasis on 401k's which financial brokerages use to rape the little guy (via trading fees).

Anyway, sometimes I wonder if people in America really even understand socialism. Basically anything that is not extremist conservatism is socialism, which of course is not true. And the irony is that conservatives survive off "socialist" programs like SS and medicare.

Social Security is in no way shape or form comparable to the returns one would get by investing their own money. The problem is, many people are not responsible enough to invest for themselves so we are all forced into what is in reality a govt. run Ponzi scheme.

The disconnect between you and me goes like this...

- You say that our govt. has become an oligarchy that is run by large corporations. I agree.

- You say these corporations are fucking over the little guy. I agree. They do so by paying off politicians to pass laws that fuck over the little guy and give them an advantage.

- Your solution is to give more power to the govt., which you already said is owned and operated by these large corporations.

Here is our disconnect. Giving more power to the tool these large corporations use against us makes no sense. Starve off the govt. and make the corporations compete on an even playing field against small businesses. The govt. has already proven to be inefficient and corrupt, why give them even more of our money and give them more control over our lives?

Post: #108

(07-13-2014 01:21 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Most people in America inherently dislike Americans not of their own race. If given the opportunity people will naturally seek to fuck over the other side. This mentality is very much engrained in the culture. Just look at how the prison system is already a race war atmosphere. It's a reflection of deeper social conditioning.

This is normal human behavior. To look for peaceful solutions to these problems we have to acknowledge this fact.

Our elites fail to consider this, to the detriment of all parties involved. They flooded the white inner cities with black housing projects, and now they are flooding the white suburbs with black people with Section 8 vouchers.

Blacks are hurt by this also. Our elites are allowing a flood of Mexicans to colonize black neighborhoods in California. There are few blacks left in Compton because Mexicans have harassed them relentlessly. Mexican gangs will beat up or kill blacks in Compton.

Besides a few well-educated cosmopolitans, people like to stick to their own.

Post: #109

Scandinavian socialism is a myth they have much lower consumption rates than we do. Their economic base was formed before they became socialist.

Post: #110

@It_is_my_time: If you cut govt in order to hurt large businesses it won't work. You just give them even more power as they'll take over areas the government otherwise would be in and we become even bigger bitches to corps. The solution is to have an efficient government that is not beholden to corporations (by implementing strict campaign finance laws including a constitutional amendment limiting donations).

And the whole point of social security is to have stable secure returns. You can NEVER have that via investing, especially investing in which average humans are making the decisions. Even Wall Street experts cannot get consistent stable returns in the market. It's a farce to put retirement money into the market. The only purpose is to benefit Wall Street types, who makes tons of money off trading fees. The fact that some conservatives still want to privatize social security after what happened to the stock market in 2008 is extreme.

Post: #111

(07-15-2014 02:53 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: If you cut govt in order to hurt large businesses it won't work. You just give them even more power as they'll take over areas the government otherwise would be in and we become even bigger bitches to corps. The solution is to have an efficient government that is not beholden to corporations (by implementing strict campaign finance laws including a constitutional amendment limiting donations).

And the whole point of social security is to have stable secure returns. You can NEVER have that via investing, especially investing in which average humans are making the decisions. Even Wall Street experts cannot get consistent stable returns in the market. It's a farce to put retirement money into the market. The only purpose is to benefit Wall Street types, who makes tons of money off trading fees. The fact that some conservatives still want to privatize social security after what happened to the stock market in 2008 is extreme.

You already admitted the corporations run the govt. So how do you figure that cutting the regulations that hurt small businesses will help corporations, when these laws already help corporations?

Your solution is a dream land. No govt. in the history of the world has been efficient. They cannot be efficient. They have no competition and answer to no one. And every govt. will be influenced by those with power and money. This is just another fact of life. What you want is a dream, something that has never existed and never will exist in this world. What you suggest would be wonderful, but will never exist in reality.

We already had books and books of strict financial laws, but guess what, the big bankers didn't have to follow them. And then afterwards our govt. bailed them out.

Reality is simple. Govt. is run and owned by the wealthy and powerful and the more power you give govt., the more power you give to these people.

Post: #112

(07-14-2014 06:20 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 01:21 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Most people in America inherently dislike Americans not of their own race. If given the opportunity people will naturally seek to fuck over the other side. This mentality is very much engrained in the culture. Just look at how the prison system is already a race war atmosphere. It's a reflection of deeper social conditioning.

This is normal human behavior. To look for peaceful solutions to these problems we have to acknowledge this fact.

Our elites fail to consider this, to the detriment of all parties involved. They flooded the white inner cities with black housing projects, and now they are flooding the white suburbs with black people with Section 8 vouchers.

Blacks are hurt by this also. Our elites are allowing a flood of Mexicans to colonize black neighborhoods in California. There are few blacks left in Compton because Mexicans have harassed them relentlessly. Mexican gangs will beat up or kill blacks in Compton.

Besides a few well-educated cosmopolitans, people like to stick to their own.

Not true. We are more diverse in Canada and don't have a segregation problem that keeps on haunting the US. Possibly due to the fact that the US is built on a caste system.

The elites know this, it's why you have a police state, to keep people from butchering each other.

Post: #113

(07-15-2014 02:53 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: If you cut govt in order to hurt large businesses it won't work. You just give them even more power as they'll take over areas the government otherwise would be in and we become even bigger bitches to corps. The solution is to have an efficient government that is not beholden to corporations (by implementing strict campaign finance laws including a constitutional amendment limiting donations).

And the whole point of social security is to have stable secure returns. You can NEVER have that via investing, especially investing in which average humans are making the decisions. Even Wall Street experts cannot get consistent stable returns in the market. It's a farce to put retirement money into the market. The only purpose is to benefit Wall Street types, who makes tons of money off trading fees. The fact that some conservatives still want to privatize social security after what happened to the stock market in 2008 is extreme.

Considering how most of our elected officials are put in by women, how do you expect a government dominated by women to be fair and just?

Gut the government, it's not a perfect solution but it's as perfect as we'll ever get in this world.

Post: #114

(07-15-2014 08:42 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 02:53 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: If you cut govt in order to hurt large businesses it won't work. You just give them even more power as they'll take over areas the government otherwise would be in and we become even bigger bitches to corps. The solution is to have an efficient government that is not beholden to corporations (by implementing strict campaign finance laws including a constitutional amendment limiting donations).

And the whole point of social security is to have stable secure returns. You can NEVER have that via investing, especially investing in which average humans are making the decisions. Even Wall Street experts cannot get consistent stable returns in the market. It's a farce to put retirement money into the market. The only purpose is to benefit Wall Street types, who makes tons of money off trading fees. The fact that some conservatives still want to privatize social security after what happened to the stock market in 2008 is extreme.

Considering how most of our elected officials are put in by women, how do you expect a government dominated by women to be fair and just?

Gut the government, it's not a perfect solution but it's as perfect as we'll ever get in this world.

I actually worked for the govt. for a year in my first professional job out of college. I think everyone should have to work for the govt. for a year so they can truly appreciate how inefficient and wasteful the govt. is.

I don't know how many times I heard workers say "ugh, they can wait, we are the govt. we do things on our own time".

It was miserable, but a great life experience. They hired people, not because they were needed, but just to fill a budget hole. And the top level managers were just political friends of the elected officials and most had little to no clue what they were doing.

This is typical of any govt. The govt. rules over all, the more govt., the more corruption and waste enters into your life. There is no way around this fact. It is human nature.

Post: #115

(07-15-2014 06:36 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 06:20 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 01:21 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Most people in America inherently dislike Americans not of their own race. If given the opportunity people will naturally seek to fuck over the other side. This mentality is very much engrained in the culture. Just look at how the prison system is already a race war atmosphere. It's a reflection of deeper social conditioning.

This is normal human behavior. To look for peaceful solutions to these problems we have to acknowledge this fact.

Our elites fail to consider this, to the detriment of all parties involved. They flooded the white inner cities with black housing projects, and now they are flooding the white suburbs with black people with Section 8 vouchers.

Blacks are hurt by this also. Our elites are allowing a flood of Mexicans to colonize black neighborhoods in California. There are few blacks left in Compton because Mexicans have harassed them relentlessly. Mexican gangs will beat up or kill blacks in Compton.

Besides a few well-educated cosmopolitans, people like to stick to their own.

Not true. We are more diverse in Canada and don't have a segregation problem that keeps on haunting the US. Possibly due to the fact that the US is built on a caste system.

The elites know this, it's why you have a police state, to keep people from butchering each other.

You are way more diverse, really? How much do Hispanics and Blacks make up of your population?

Post: #116

(07-15-2014 09:45 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 06:36 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 06:20 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 01:21 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Most people in America inherently dislike Americans not of their own race. If given the opportunity people will naturally seek to fuck over the other side. This mentality is very much engrained in the culture. Just look at how the prison system is already a race war atmosphere. It's a reflection of deeper social conditioning.

This is normal human behavior. To look for peaceful solutions to these problems we have to acknowledge this fact.

Our elites fail to consider this, to the detriment of all parties involved. They flooded the white inner cities with black housing projects, and now they are flooding the white suburbs with black people with Section 8 vouchers.

Blacks are hurt by this also. Our elites are allowing a flood of Mexicans to colonize black neighborhoods in California. There are few blacks left in Compton because Mexicans have harassed them relentlessly. Mexican gangs will beat up or kill blacks in Compton.

Besides a few well-educated cosmopolitans, people like to stick to their own.

Not true. We are more diverse in Canada and don't have a segregation problem that keeps on haunting the US. Possibly due to the fact that the US is built on a caste system.

The elites know this, it's why you have a police state, to keep people from butchering each other.

You are way more diverse, really? How much do Hispanics and Blacks make up of your population?

He is Canadian. The entire Canadian population lacks identity that's why they are always comparing themselves to Americans. I mean, I looked at Canada prime ministers and all I see are White People. Not a single Native America, Indian, or Native Canadian. Not a black person, not a brownie either. And this guy calls America racist when America has a Black President. Delusional Canadians.

Post: #117

It's more ridiculous to claim that America is less racist than Canada based on a half white, half African president. That mean's absolutely nothing. Canada could never give a person of color any political power and provide a better place to live for a person of color. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Post: #118

(07-15-2014 01:45 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  It's more ridiculous to claim that America is less racist than Canada based on a half white, half African president. That mean's absolutely nothing. Canada could never give a person of color any political power and provide a better place to live for a person of color. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

deleted: Directed question to the wrong poster, my bad.

Post: #119

(07-15-2014 02:10 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 01:45 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  It's more ridiculous to claim that America is less racist than Canada based on a half white, half African president. That mean's absolutely nothing. Canada could never give a person of color any political power and provide a better place to live for a person of color. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Again, I'm asking you on what basis is Canada more diverse than the US? The US is 13% Black and 19% Hispanic. What are your country's numbers?

This isn't my argument. Just pointing out the logical flaws in his.

Diversity numbers and levels of racism are two very different things. None of which would even be a clear indicator of what the quality of life would be like for minorities in either place either. Think about it.

Post: #120

(07-15-2014 02:13 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 02:10 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 01:45 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  It's more ridiculous to claim that America is less racist than Canada based on a half white, half African president. That mean's absolutely nothing. Canada could never give a person of color any political power and provide a better place to live for a person of color. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Again, I'm asking you on what basis is Canada more diverse than the US? The US is 13% Black and 19% Hispanic. What are your country's numbers?

This isn't my argument. Just pointing out the logical flaws in his.

Diversity numbers and levels of racism are two very different things. None of which would even be a clear indicator of what the quality of life would be like for minorities in either place either. Think about it.

delete. I directed my Canada question to the wrong poster, my bad.

Post: #121

After spending some time today reading about all these kids coming in I have decided that one would be crazy to think the USA is going to be in similar or better shape in 10,20,30,40 years.... I doubt things are going to go well. Immigrants in the past(way back) knew it would be rough once they arrived and they had to work to feed themselves. These kids will be taken care of for the most part(at our expense)and many will end up on government assistance for their entire lives and so will their children. Another portion will end up involved in the drug gangs.

On the black lady.....They always pick the most ignorant black person from the ghetto or the most ignorant redneck from the trailer park for these interviews. At least this lady knew that this was going to affect her, her kids, and the community in a negative way and she was fired up about it. It's actually good to see that for a change.

Post: #122

(07-15-2014 11:47 AM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 09:45 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 06:36 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 06:20 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 01:21 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Most people in America inherently dislike Americans not of their own race. If given the opportunity people will naturally seek to fuck over the other side. This mentality is very much engrained in the culture. Just look at how the prison system is already a race war atmosphere. It's a reflection of deeper social conditioning.

This is normal human behavior. To look for peaceful solutions to these problems we have to acknowledge this fact.

Our elites fail to consider this, to the detriment of all parties involved. They flooded the white inner cities with black housing projects, and now they are flooding the white suburbs with black people with Section 8 vouchers.

Blacks are hurt by this also. Our elites are allowing a flood of Mexicans to colonize black neighborhoods in California. There are few blacks left in Compton because Mexicans have harassed them relentlessly. Mexican gangs will beat up or kill blacks in Compton.

Besides a few well-educated cosmopolitans, people like to stick to their own.

Not true. We are more diverse in Canada and don't have a segregation problem that keeps on haunting the US. Possibly due to the fact that the US is built on a caste system.

The elites know this, it's why you have a police state, to keep people from butchering each other.

You are way more diverse, really? How much do Hispanics and Blacks make up of your population?

He is Canadian. The entire Canadian population lacks identity that's why they are always comparing themselves to Americans. I mean, I looked at Canada prime ministers and all I see are White People. Not a single Native America, Indian, or Native Canadian. Not a black person, not a brownie either. And this guy calls America racist when America has a Black President. Delusional Canadians.

Canada is 90% white. Where is this diversity you speak of?

Post: #123

(07-15-2014 10:09 PM)kosko Wrote:  Canada is 90% white. Where is this diversity you speak of?

Is that really true?



I was under the impression that Canada was half Chinese and Indian.

Post: #124

(07-14-2014 10:32 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 10:27 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: Can you tell me about any rich countries that are not "socialist"?

I agree that leftist policies are not always perfect but I always wonder when people go after socialism because to me every single rich country on Earth (other than the US) is pretty much semi-socialist, including all of Western Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ, and Canada. To me the defining characteristic between a rich country and a poor country is that a rich country is capable of organizing its government to provide basic things for its citizens such as healthcare, transportation, and education. Poor countries cannot do this.

So yeah leftist economies are not perfect but would you prefer to go back to caveman days where we had no central government and hunted rabbits to eat for dinner? Okay that is an exaggeration, but would you prefer to live in Somalia where everyone just fends for himself?

The USA had its great economic boom, largely before the govt. grew so large that it impacted every thing in our lives. The more % of the economy the govt. controls, the less productive your country will be.

Why? Because govt. is not efficient. It has no motivation or reason to be efficient simply because it has no competition. Their only concern is the masses of uninformed voters finally figuring out they don't need all the govt. to exist to live good lives.

Socialism, as a I said, is simply feminist economics. The purpose of this board is to escape regions where women treat men like shit, simply because they can get away with it thanks to the govt. being their sugar daddy.

And I will not debate your strawman caveman analogy.

This socialism = feminism stuff is just glib reductionism. How many decades was Russia under socialism? Did that make the women feminist? No. And feminism is the worst in America, which is the least socialist of the 1st world nations.

And I know someone is going to say Scandinavian feminism is worse than American feminism. It may be in some regards, but I'd say American women are harder and more masculine than Scandinavian women any day. Plus Scandinavian feminism isn't hypocritical like American feminism. Scandinavian women will actually pay for dates or split the costs. American women want to have have political feminism AND make guys pay for everything.

Post: #125

(07-16-2014 02:06 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 10:32 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 10:27 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  @It_is_my_time: Can you tell me about any rich countries that are not "socialist"?

I agree that leftist policies are not always perfect but I always wonder when people go after socialism because to me every single rich country on Earth (other than the US) is pretty much semi-socialist, including all of Western Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ, and Canada. To me the defining characteristic between a rich country and a poor country is that a rich country is capable of organizing its government to provide basic things for its citizens such as healthcare, transportation, and education. Poor countries cannot do this.

So yeah leftist economies are not perfect but would you prefer to go back to caveman days where we had no central government and hunted rabbits to eat for dinner? Okay that is an exaggeration, but would you prefer to live in Somalia where everyone just fends for himself?

The USA had its great economic boom, largely before the govt. grew so large that it impacted every thing in our lives. The more % of the economy the govt. controls, the less productive your country will be.

Why? Because govt. is not efficient. It has no motivation or reason to be efficient simply because it has no competition. Their only concern is the masses of uninformed voters finally figuring out they don't need all the govt. to exist to live good lives.

Socialism, as a I said, is simply feminist economics. The purpose of this board is to escape regions where women treat men like shit, simply because they can get away with it thanks to the govt. being their sugar daddy.

And I will not debate your strawman caveman analogy.

This socialism = feminism stuff is just glib reductionism. How many decades was Russia under socialism? Did that make the women feminist? No. And feminism is the worst in America, which is the least socialist of the 1st world nations.

And I know someone is going to say Scandinavian feminism is worse than American feminism. It may be in some regards, but I'd say American women are harder and more masculine than Scandinavian women any day. Plus Scandinavian feminism isn't hypocritical like American feminism. Scandinavian women will actually pay for dates or split the costs. American women want to have have political feminism AND make guys pay for everything.

It is FAR from a "glib reductionism". The USSR was a disaster, and it would have become feminist had it not collapsed, in an effort to suppress the growing number of men who would have gotten sick of seeing their rights and property stolen and given to the wealthy elites in such a great amount they had little to nothing left.

Does it make the women feminist? Hell yes. Women wouldn't run around behaving like whores, destroying their families, treating men like shit, if they didn't have a massive federal govt. to cover their asses and to pay for all their mistakes at the cost of men's paychecks.

Socialism is a complete and utter failure. Unless you want to rationalize stealing from other people and destroying the future of your country so your kids grow up in a soon to be 3rd world shithole, socialism is a disaster. Taking money away from productive and creative citizens who innovate and advance society and giving it to some bureaucrat to waste on a feel good project is a disaster of an idea for any society. Which is why socialism never has worked and never will work.