Post: #1

I work as a retail slave and they put me on the dreaded overnight this week to work with a manager. I used to work overnight, and when they switched me to dayshift, it was a godsend. Normally, they require two people to be in the building overnight in case something happens. Makes perfect sense. Ive done it before with the old overnight crew because sometimes it would come up that one person would be scheduled alone and they needed another person, whether me or someone else.

So when I go to address the store manager about this (she is a female nonwhite and just started a month ago), she said that the manager and a girl were doing the overnight, and they "need a male presence in the building".

What the hell does that even mean? What happened to strong, independent women? Arent women equal to men? Does this admit that women are weak and cant handle a stressful situation if an armed robber comes in, so a man needs to make decisions?

Needlesstosay, if any threat enters the building, I will throw those two in the line of fire and run out the back door. A cold day in hell before I sacrifice myself for two women and a corporation. And furthermore, I think my employment there will be ending soon. Time to start an independent business and work for myself. I thought of quitting right there, but never know when Ill need a reference twenty years from now.

Post: #2

(07-07-2014 03:56 PM)zaqan Wrote:  I work as a retail slave and they put me on the dreaded overnight this week to work with a manager. I used to work overnight, and when they switched me to dayshift, it was a godsend. Normally, they require two people to be in the building overnight in case something happens. Makes perfect sense. Ive done it before with the old overnight crew because sometimes it would come up that one person would be scheduled alone and they needed another person, whether me or someone else.

So when I go to address the store manager about this (she is a female nonwhite and just started a month ago), she said that the manager and a girl were doing the overnight, and they "need a male presence in the building".

What the hell does that even mean? What happened to strong, independent women? Arent women equal to men? Does this admit that women are weak and cant handle a stressful situation if an armed robber comes in, so a man needs to make decisions?

Needlesstosay, if any threat enters the building, I will throw those two in the line of fire and run out the back door. A cold day in hell before I sacrifice myself for two women and a corporation. And furthermore, I think my employment there will be ending soon. Time to start an independent business and work for myself. I thought of quitting right there, but never know when Ill need a reference twenty years from now.

you've got it wrong, they need someone they can pin attempted rape or sexual harassment on if anything shady happens on the overnight shift.

"I was sleeping in the warehouse because Zagan tried to rape me"..."Zagan walked me to my car after the shift and tried to rape me" "Zagan sexually harassed my by telling me to lift the heavy boxes onto the top shelf"

Post: #3

This is pretty common in retail. Mostly for the male toilets.

Post: #4

Take it as a lesson that you need to get into a position where you're not subject to the whims of other people. It was maddening not having the ability to control my own time and schedule, so I put myself into a position where I decide what happens to my time. It's a ton of responsibility, but I haven't had a single moment of regret.

Post: #5

Not sure why you're insulted...
Feminists say that strong independent shit, but your boss doesn't necessarily.

I spend a shit ton of time in the gym, when I get called in for protection or backup in a situation... its a compliment.
Like, "Hey you are clearly stronger and more dependable in a pinch than this 105 lb 5'2 chick. Could you make sure something horrific doesn't happen please?"
Its a bid of trust and respect.

The manosphere needs to be careful, starting to sound like feminists ourselves... getting offended at the drop of a hat over innocuous shit.
Women and men aren't enemies.

If you don't want the hours, say no. Or tell her you'll be leaving cause you can't stand night shifts.
But I cannot fathom being insulted because someone insinuated I'm the most imposing/strong/dependable of my co workers.

Post: #6

I don't see this as a bad thing.

If they're willing to admit that a male presence is needed for protection that means that feminism hasn't completely brainwashed everyone.

Post: #7

I'm pretty sure that assigning a job (or shift) based solely on gender is a form of discrimination. It's like if they told women "We need someone to make the coffee."

About ten years ago I got passed up for a job promotion in favor of a woman who was not qualified. The editor's reason? "We need a woman's voice." A lawyer friend told me I had a case. I didn't pursue it because I needed the job, but if you don't and you want to screw with them, get a free consult with a lawyer and see if they're in violation of something.

Post: #8

I often tell them no, go to hell, and will be doing that. I am scheduled for two or three overnights this week. I will only do one, and only because I was not able to get it altered, altho usually I can have that done. Ive written the book on disregarding managers and corporate policy when I feel the need.

Im actually not insulted at all, simply mocking the absurdity of the feminist claims. At the end of the day, most women still want a man with them. I was specifically picked by the manager who is overnighting, and perhaps if I said I wasnt interested, she would have found someone else. And as I said, I will have this modified for the other days.

I did consider suing for discrimination, just for shits and giggles.

Post: #9

(07-07-2014 05:02 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I'm pretty sure that assigning a job (or shift) based solely on gender is a form of discrimination. It's like if they told women "We need someone to make the coffee."

About ten years ago I got passed up for a job promotion in favor of a woman who was not qualified. The editor's reason? "We need a woman's voice." A lawyer friend told me I had a case. I didn't pursue it because I needed the job, but if you don't and you want to screw with them, get a free consult with a lawyer and see if they're in violation of something.

Similar situation happened to me. Company wanted to promote me, but without saying it literally, they couldn't do it because I would be promoted ahead of a couple of women, who practically had 'litigious' tattooed on their foreheads. Of course I worked long hours, while they watched the clock. I helped revamp the department, while they watched the clock, etcetera.

I was told I had a strong case, but didn't pursue it since a good job opportunity fell into my lap. Plus, I suspect the women would've backed each other up. This is going to be a big surprise, but they were all fat and bitter.

Post: #10

(07-07-2014 05:04 PM)zaqan Wrote:  I did consider suing for discrimination, just for shits and giggles.

Discrimination isn't illegal in the USA. Only discrimination against a protected class.

To illustrate, this, it isn't illegal for them to expect you to do more heavily lifting as a man, but it is illegal to pay a woman less because she can't.

#leaveamerica

Post: #11

The majority of women aren't feminists dude. These normal women know that they are the weaker sex and acknowledge that they need male protection and decision making in many situations. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. Don't just assume they are cunts because they're women.

Post: #12

(07-07-2014 10:16 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  The majority of women aren't feminists dude. These normal women know that they are the weaker sex and acknowledge that they need male protection and decision making in many situations. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. Don't just assume they are cunts because they're women.

No, they aren't. They are using the "male presence" argument as an excuse to give women preferred day time hours, have a man around to do the heavy lifting and ultimately a greater share of the work.

I have seen women who do feel safer with a man they trust present, but you can sure as hell that a Western woman who has a self-acknowledged preference to male decision making is extremely rare and undoubtedly not a character in this story.

While many women do not define themselves as feminists, feminist influence has degraded society to such a degree that even women who are not feminist in name, are feminist in their attitudes and ultimately feel entitled to certain benefits on account of being female, without contributing their own fair share.

Traditional women understand that something uniquely feminine must be traded in exchange for protection. Modern (even so-called non-feminist women) demand protection because they're worth it!

Post: #13

Sounds like they need to hire security, or pay you to protect them.

Post: #14

(07-08-2014 02:21 AM)Muk Wrote:  Sounds like they need to hire security, or pay you to protect them.

Exactly, because most companies have policies that prohibit employees from taking personal risks when dealing with shoplifters, hold-up gangs and/or rapists.

I've seen a lot of news stories where someone was fired for doing the right thing and saving a life, because it was "against policy."

Post: #15

I'm sure you're doing the best you can right now, but push yourself and do everything possible to get out of that job.

You'd be better off working construction, than staying there.

Post: #16

Is being a "male presence" at all hours of the day and night in your job description? If not, you should demand extra pay to provide them with that service, otherwise tell them to go stuff it.

Post: #17

(07-08-2014 03:06 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Is being a "male presence" at all hours of the day and night in your job description? If not, you should demand extra pay to provide them with that service, otherwise tell them to go stuff it.

You won't get anywhere with this approach, but it should be fun to try, regardless.

Post: #18

(07-07-2014 03:56 PM)zaqan Wrote:  What the hell does that even mean? What happened to strong, independent women? Arent women equal to men? Does this admit that women are weak and cant handle a stressful situation if an armed robber comes in, so a man needs to make decisions?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe your co-workers aren't feminists?

Post: #19

It comes down to common sense. When I did retail for a bit, we couldn't let the ladies walk to their cars by themselves at night after close. They were more than happy to hang on to my arm as we walked out together. It is not like there was an issue with it, it just seemed natural for them to have a male companion with them instead of walking alone in high heels.

Post: #20

Agree with some, I don't see it as a bad thing...I would never get offended under the presumption that the other two girls and my boss are aggressive feminists. If they are that would piss me off, but not necessarily because of the hypocrisy, mostly because I have to be around aggressive feminists at work...that'd by fucking annoying.

Given your story though, it sounds like just a policy thing. The only thing in your story that would bother me is, if I understand correctly, they have 3 people working instead of the normal 2...and not necessarily because women or feminism or anything, it's just an inefficient waste of time, money, and energy for a less productive individual.

Post: #21

ummmm, so you're mad that they look at you as someone who could handle a situation, or at least stop a situation from developing. That's weird. isn't at least one point of being a man being the go-to guy? that said, if they're wasting your time, then I get it. Otherwise, you just sound a little silly complaining about them wanting a man to do the overnight.

Post: #22

This is how my job is. I work with individuals with autism, who are intellectually disabled and the field is full of women. There are multiple group homes with 3 staff and 6 individuals at each house. Most of the individuals are male and all of them are aggressive most days and we have to hold them down to calm them down. Even more, they usually get more aggressive with the female staff.

So, whenever the girls can't handle them, they send male staff from other houses to take over. I always fuck with the women and tell them I thought they were supposed to be strong and independent women.

Post: #23

(07-08-2014 09:23 AM)bish0p2004 Wrote:  This is how my job is. I work with individuals with autism, who are intellectually disabled and the field is full of women. There are multiple group homes with 3 staff and 6 individuals at each house. Most of the individuals are male and all of them are aggressive most days and we have to hold them down to calm them down. Even more, they usually get more aggressive with the female staff.

So, whenever the girls can't handle them, they send male staff from other houses to take over. I always fuck with the women and tell them I thought they were supposed to be strong and independent women.

This is also something I've never understood. There should be a higher pay grade of orderly..like "orderly enforcer" or something along those lines....don't make the job gender based but makes its description one that is exposed to more violent clients, restraint and heavy lifting.

Sidenote, I dated this girl who worked as an orderly/nurse with disabled people and she had one of the most pefect asses...from lifting patients all day. She was getting paid to do squats.

Post: #24

Player principle #1: Watch not what a woman says, but what she does.

Feminists can blather on about their equality nonsense all they want, when the shit hits the fan, none of them is going to seek the protection of another frail woman. it's the arm of a sturdy male they'll be so willing to cling to.

Gender is merely a social construct. Yeah right! as if anyone is so fucked up as to genuinely believe this.

Post: #25

Zaqan, wouldn't blame you if you quit. Nightshift sucks and you had moved up in the world.

Are you in a State with particularly aggressive human rights lawyers/tribunals? If so, on your way out the door you could make a complaint about the clearly sexist remark (we need a male presence) that led to your constructive dismissal from the company. It would probably at least progress to the investigation stage by one of our Human Rights Commissions here in the great white north (although I confess ignorance as to whether the same would be true in any of the States).

Black Knighting can be fun...