Post: #1

I am just curious, because a buddy of mine brought up an excellent point the other day. He said that these days, it is really common for a woman to refer to "jokingly" refer to any guy in whom she is not interested as a stalker or a creeper. You hear it all the time, it seems. If a guy has the temerity to merely express interest in a woman (who is not interested in him), he risks being mockingly referred to as a creeper. As another poster mentioned recently, if a guy has the gall to contact a woman two consecutive times (sans response) he is almost certainly going to be referred to as a stalker or a creeper. You can almost imagine her messaging her friends about how "stalker guy won't leave me alone; he just messaged me again! haha"

So, exactly when did it become commonplace for women to refer to just about every guy (in whom they weren't interested) as a stalker or a creeper? Ist his a recent phenomenon or did women 10, 15, 20+ years ago commonly refer to guys as stalkers and creepers? Does anyone remember?

Post: #2

When every young woman became just a little bit awkward.

Calling men "creepy" helps them displace their social awkwardness and put the impetus for positive social interactions upon men.

Post: #3

Nah, just women aren't socially-ostracised by men for being self-obsessed bitches anymore. They no longer need to pretend to be nice or fake that they have any empathy for the feelings of men.

I see this as a good thing. The more toxic they get, the less guys will put them on a pedestal.

Post: #4

anonymous, but don't you think that it also betrays a certain egotism and immaturity in american women which wasn't necessarily present 10, 20+ years ago?

Post: #5

Quote:You can almost imagine her messaging her friends about how "stalker guy won't leave me alone; he just messaged me again! haha"

Quote:Calling men "creepy" helps them displace their social awkwardness and put the impetus for positive social interactions upon men.

This is just a woman's reframing of the situation to her favor — pedestalizing themselves trying to up their SMV.

Aloof de-framing (more a shrug than a neg) seems to neutralize it.

Post: #6

(06-09-2014 07:50 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Nah, just women aren't socially-ostracised by men for being self-obsessed bitches anymore. They no longer need to pretend to be nice or fake that they have any empathy for the feelings of men.

I see this as a good thing. The more toxic they get, the less guys will put them on a pedestal.

I pray that this happens.

WIA

Post: #7

(06-09-2014 08:01 PM)Tarleton Wrote:  anonymous, but don't you think that it also betrays a certain egotism and immaturity in american women which wasn't necessarily present 10, 20+ years ago?

From my experience, girls were always immature and egotistic, but they were socially-savvy enough to fake kindness / niceness as a tool to control men, without them realising. They were bitches, sure, but no girl wanted to be known as a 'bitch', because it actually lowered her value.

Millenial Girl are arrogant about everything: their expectations, their beauty, their intelligence. Combine arrogance with their social-awkwardness - what they think is being powerful, but is simply a severe misunderstanding of what I would call 'feminine wiles' - and they're unable to operate stealthily and are open about their cruelty and contempt. If misogyny really is increasing, it's their own viciousness that's created it.

I see this social trend as part of the Bubble-Wrapped Existence of The Millenial: their understanding of interpersonal connections is informed by fantasy media instead of normal, unsupervised childhood socialisation. Particularly movies and tv - every hot girl is a bitch, therefore if I'm a bitch I must be hot - and Pop Diva Culture, where being empowered is treating everyone as an audience, i.e. an extension of your narcissism.

I'm not entirely generalising - there's still girls out there who have been raised in strong families where the parents didn't bubble-wrap her, but I doubt you'll find her attention whoring in nightclubs on the weekend.

Post: #8

All this is just a symptom of how safe the world actually is for these women. Real stalkers, like real rape, is not part of their reality so they can bandy the terms around freely.

Crime rates in the USA peaked in the early 90s and have gone down every year since. Unless you're in the bottom 10% of society, you've never been so safe.

Also in the 90s, kids stopped playing in the streets and started playing video games - when they were not being ferried to soccer practice by their helicopter parents. Now these girls and boys have grown up and they have no realistic sense of danger, poor social skills, and a vast sense of entitlement.

Post: #9

It's even worse where I am.

Girls in my social circle call unattractive guys who don't even hit on them or any other girl they know "creepy", just because those guys are unattractive and don't have the best social skills.

I've called them out on it a few times. Don't seem to help much though.

Post: #10

Guess everybody here has been reading Agnostic's blog.

Post: #11

Where's the blog, mate? If he's talking about this stuff, I'd be interested to read it.

Post: #12

It all goes along with the rampant narcissism and egotism in contemporary Western culture. Women generally receive a lot more attention nowadays and have a lot more options. This social phenomenon mixed with modern progressive "you're a unique snowflake" ideal and the have-it-all mentality of our society create a putrid concoction social gracelessness and inability to recognize or be considerate of others' feelings and/or intentions.

They are basically nothing more than school yard bullies. Insecure, socially inept, immature little cunts who put others down to bolster their own sense of self worth. They believe the world is for them and feel insulted when men they don't like feed them attention or even share the same space. "Creepy" has just become the ubiquitous term women use for men who are undesirable to them. Unattractive? Creepy. Too needy/beta? Creepy. Not enough money? Creepy. Doesn't like to drink? Creepy. Fat? Creepy. Too much back hair? Creepy. You get the idea. It's a catch all name they use to reaffirm their own perceived value (to themselves, friends, and facebook) by framing all men they don't like as John Waters/Quasimodo.

Post: #13

Somewhere around 10 years ago creepy went from this:



to this:



So the word went from sinister and murderous to socially inept in about 10 years. The lack of real threats in society that makes the unwanted attention of an awkward guy loom so large.