Post: #26

Most "flakes" are not flakes, they are rejections.

The girl only gave her number to boost her own ego.

She only flirted with you because it gave her a sense of power trip.

She just wants to tell her friends about all the guys who hit on her.

She had no intention of ever seeing you again.

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She has a boyfriend and an ex boyfriend and a sugar daddy.

It's not a flake. She is just is not interested.

A "flake" is when a friend of yours makes a commitment and than ignores it.

When a stranger, especially a woman doesn't want to see you.. That's not a flake, that's just a woman who doesn't want to see you.

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If you are expecting strange girls to keep their "commitments" to you, a guy they don't even know.. Then, I think you have the wrong expectations.. Girls don't even keep commitments with guys they are married to.. Why would we expect them to keep "commitments to guys they don't even know?

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Instead of rejecting you when you ask for her number..

She is rejecting you when you ask for a date.. That is the only difference.

It's more of a rejection than a flake.

Post: #27

Gio, how do you handle a girl who is always 30 minutes late? I had an ex during my bluer pill days who was always 30-45 minutes late, but otherwise, extremely feminine. In hindsight, I shouldn't have let it flown.

Edit: I guess you just bail after waiting 15 minutes? I'm talking about after the relationship has started she pulls this.

Post: #28

I actually agree with MUCH of what the OP just said.

Post: #29

(06-05-2014 01:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Instead of rejecting you when you ask for her number..

She is rejecting you when you ask for a date..

That is the only difference. It's still more of a rejection than a flake.

It's one thing if you merely # close without seeding ideas for a meetup or date. It's another to vibe well and then have her renege on hanging out either through radio silence or a nonsense excuse. Of course she doesn't know you which is why you introduced yourself, to facilitate the whole process.

American girls as a whole are 'awkward' in the sense they claim strength, independence, and brains while being scared to death of actually acting on these qualities. This is why fame game is becoming important. A girl needs to feel you're proofed by faraway strangers to make her feel 'safe'. They swing violently from extreme attraction to extreme rapport. It's an impossible balance because they subjectively change the rules.

I know a man is not 'owed' anything but it makes little sense to deal with a headless chicken. We're banging our heads on a wall putting in more effort for less.

Krauser talks how his model is suited for feminine girls and if you've seen his latest vid he demonstrates how him and the russian girl have a 'dancey' vibe. It's elegant, cute and natural. Typical americana will want to one up you. Even if you lead she will keep upping the ante. In a sense men are becoming comically macho to compete with this hamster, which turns off quality girls who need a balance between hard and soft dominance.


Sure we can build more attraction, rapport or whatever but i find no reliable system to get an american girl out except slot machine night game. Save the dates and such for girls who deserve a night or two out.

@ kid strangelove:

The thing is you'll never be 'good enough' when the standards are constantly being raised and shifted. Roosh said it's rigged, the culture is toxic. And slubu had an article on how america makes men unnatural. It may sound pessimistic, and i'm sure some guys can game fine in the usa, but my experience overseas and other guys' accounts proves how crucial environment and culture are.

Post: #30

The main reason women flake is definitely abundance of options.

Lets put this into perspective:

Girls put in zero effort and yet have countless avenues to get dick and attention from men literally right at their fingertips. It is nigh impossible to find a Western girl between the ages of 12-40 that doesn't have a smart phone and some sort of social media outlet where she is undoubtedly receiving lots of attention. This is the "perfect storm" for breeding jaded, staunchly narcissistic, an socially detached individuals. The information age has allowed thirsty, weak, socially-inept men to "approach" women 24/7 free of any of inhibitions of actual physical confrontation where your emotions, anxiety, and all other bits of insecure social nuances are on display. Men who, in the past, would not have been competent in the dating market and would be off the sexual radar for any average girl - men who, in the past, would have to actually build up the social providence and hone their skills and confidence through traditional trial and error learning to actually meet and talk to desirable women. This is no longer the case. This translates to women getting attention and options for intimacy from far more people and at far more frequency than in the days of yore. Girls don't even need to be out in a social setting to meet men and get attention. She can sit home alone all day and be on Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, OKC, etc. and be getting friend requests, messages, likes, offers for dates. They get this same radio noise when they are out with friends, when they are on a date, whether or not they have a boyfriend/fiancé/husband it doesn't matter. 24/7/365.

Try to put yourself in those shoes and tell me you wouldn't blow girls off and be hypergamous. Imagine for a second that you made a dating profile and you got 25 messages a day. You made a Facebook account, posted a selfie and got 20 comments from different girls saying how cute you looked. Imagine you posted a status saying "Man, would love to go for a walk on the beach with a nice girl today" and you instantly got a flood of offers from women. You decide to make a date with the most attractive one (lease ugly one?) and then you get an offer from a girl that is more desirable. You going to have reservations for this not-so-great prospect when you have a couple of even better ones hitting you up? Of course not.

Abundance of options.

I think I should make an article out of this.

Post: #31

(06-05-2014 01:42 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Gio, how do you handle a girl who is always 30 minutes late?

It depends how hot she is, how she treats me and how much she sexually satisfies me.

I mean, if she is hot, sexy, comes to my house, cooks for me, sucks me, fucks me and pays for everything..

Then, I really don't care if she is 30 minutes late.

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If she is ugly, unpleasant, and a bitch.. I will probably leave.

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Those are both extreme examples..

Let me be more realistic..

If I'm supposed to meet a girl at 6 and she doesn't show up until 630..

I would text her at 615 and say -- "Are you here?"

But, I wouldn't make a big deal out of it. I would make a mental note

The next time I had a date with that girl, I will ask her to leave text me when she was on her way.

I always tell girls to text me when they leave their house so I have an idea what time they will be arriving.

I am often late myself.

The better your game gets the more the power shifts to you.

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(06-05-2014 02:15 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The main reason women flake is definitely abundance of options.

This is what I was trying to say!

I couldn't put it into words.

Girls have so many options that they don't have time to date everybody.

They only make time for their favorite options.

They are not 'flaking" on you, they just have other options that they are choosing to go with.

Awesome post General Stalin!

(06-05-2014 02:11 PM)unbowed Wrote:  It's another to vibe well and then have her renege on hanging out either through radio silence or a nonsense excuse.

Like I said, often times, she was only "vibing" with you in order to tell her friends that guys were flirting with her.

You might think that you are "vibing" well with her but she was only using you for attention, free drinks, and so she can look like she is wanted.

If she never returns your text, how well were you really "vibing" with her?

What you thought was "vibing", was really just her just having fun at the party.

She also has 5 others guys that she has "vibed" with in the last week. She will choose the best option for her.

Again, girls will pretend to vibe with you just so everyone else can see that she is getting attention.

You don't know if a girl likes you or not until you try to date her. Getting her number, "vibing", and making plans mean nothing. It's just party talk.

Until she actually agrees to meet up with you and she shows up, you can not assume anything.

Post: #32

(06-05-2014 09:41 AM)Biologist Wrote:  If a woman flakes and you call her out on it, this just indicates that your value is lower than her's because you want her attention.

I think this is the hardest thing to accept, but it's a fundamental truth. As guys we're inclined to call people out on their bad behavior, often in a constructive way. This is likely what a mature guy would want his friends to do for him.

But women will never take responsibility for their shitty behavior, so calling them out is just devaluing yourself. At the end of the day, if a girl flakes and it truly bothers you, then you had more to lose than she did. I struggle with this shit all the time, but in a buyer's market you have to have a thick skin and not take this shit personally.

Post: #33

(06-05-2014 02:15 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The main reason women flake is definitely abundance of options.

Lets put this into perspective:

Girls put in zero effort and yet have countless avenues to get dick and attention from men literally right at their fingertips. It is nigh impossible to find a Western girl between the ages of 12-40 that doesn't have a smart phone and some sort of social media outlet where she is undoubtedly receiving lots of attention. This is the "perfect storm" for breeding jaded, staunchly narcissistic, an socially detached individuals. The information age has allowed thirsty, weak, socially-inept men to "approach" women 24/7 free of any of inhibitions of actual physical confrontation where your emotions, anxiety, and all other bits of insecure social nuances are on display. Men who, in the past, would not have been competent in the dating market and would be off the sexual radar for any average girl - men who, in the past, would have to actually build up the social providence and hone their skills and confidence through traditional trial and error learning to actually meet and talk to desirable women. This is no longer the case. This translates to women getting attention and options for intimacy from far more people and at far more frequency than in the days of yore. Girls don't even need to be out in a social setting to meet men and get attention. She can sit home alone all day and be on Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, OKC, etc. and be getting friend requests, messages, likes, offers for dates. They get this same radio noise when they are out with friends, when they are on a date, whether or not they have a boyfriend/fiancé/husband it doesn't matter. 24/7/365.

Try to put yourself in those shoes and tell me you wouldn't blow girls off and be hypergamous. Imagine for a second that you made a dating profile and you got 25 messages a day. You made a Facebook account, posted a selfie and got 20 comments from different girls saying how cute you looked. Imagine you posted a status saying "Man, would love to go for a walk on the beach with a nice girl today" and you instantly got a flood of offers from women. You decide to make a date with the most attractive one (lease ugly one?) and then you get an offer from a girl that is more desirable. You going to have reservations for this not-so-great prospect when you have a couple of even better ones hitting you up? Of course not.

Abundance of options.

I think I should make an article out of this.

Spot on Stalin. While game has been referred to as "the great equalizer" it certainly is not. If it were an equalizer...we'd be getting laid as much or more than we're getting flaked on....and we're not. In other words, we would have equal power to women in terms of when and who we fuck. Of course, we don't. Unless we're a top celebrity or something along those lines whom women are thowing themselves at.
Don't get me wrong....game is great. And without it....things would go from tough to absolutely abysmal. Game improves our chances with knowledge and a certain power. But hot girls, because they are the ultimate decider of who fucks and who doesn't fuck, are the real power brokers. Thank God for game and the benefits, limited though they may be, give us.

Post: #34

(06-05-2014 02:23 PM)RealityCheck Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 09:41 AM)Biologist Wrote:  If a woman flakes and you call her out on it, this just indicates that your value is lower than her's because you want her attention.

I think this is the hardest thing to accept, but it's a fundamental truth. As guys we're inclined to call people out on their bad behavior, often in a constructive way. This is likely what a mature guy would want his friends to do for him.

But women will never take responsibility for their shitty behavior, so calling them out is just devaluing yourself. At the end of the day, if a girl flakes and it truly bothers you, then you had more to lose than she did. I struggle with this shit all the time, but in a buyer's market you have to have a thick skin and not take this shit personally.

The rule of thumb is to always assume (or rather understand it as fact) that any women you are interested in has a lot of options. This answers all you question, quarrels, and conundrums.

Like I said about putting yourself in their shoes. If you had double digit prospects looking to hang out with you at a moment's notice, and you blow off one of them in lieu of seeing a more appealing and attractive one, are you going to give a shit what the girl thinks who you blew off? If she texts you something bitter like "Oh flaking real cool guy" wouldn't you just roll your eyes and say to yourself "heh whatever"?

The other night I had a friend over who brought some girl he banged and her ugly friend (I was basically winging). The girl he was hooking up with was okay, about a 6.5. Her friend was a 5.5/6 and a feminist. They were both talking about OKC and showing my friend and I the plethora of embarrassingly thirsty, weak, try-hard messages they got. I was in the unique position to ask them about it and they both said they generally receive over 20 messages a day.

When you are fielding that much noise, you would be hard pressed to give a fuck if you go dark on someone when there are dozens of others. If a girl were to try and lay a guilt trip on me it would just turn me off from her more and make me think if we ever met up it would be slightly awkward because she is bitter towards me - and she is obviously easily annoyed.

Post: #35

It's definitely the culture and smart phones / social media.

Back in 2008 and earlier, I hardly ever got flaked on and I was, in comparison to now, fatter, broke, dressed poorly, had plenty of beta anti-games etc.

I usually go after seemingly highly interested girls through social circles who vibe super well on the first meetings, have common friends that can vouch for me, tell me deep personal stuff etc. and they still flake. Instead of meeting up with me, they try to stalk me on social media, although they often find nothing, as although I'm on FB, I hardly have a presence. I think they just have very poor social skills and are terrified of the relationship (casual or serious) becoming real.

I just accept that 99% of Western girls I meet will be like that. In comparison, the recent girls I dated from France, Russia and Argentina would meet up like normal people and we had a great time. I txt them the time and place, they show up, there's no phone jiujitsu and BS who-cares-least play.

I know you guys say they will never flake on a high value guy blah blah outcome independence blah blah but at the end of the day, I only want to work so hard for a certain level of quality. These are average attractive girls we're talking about here, not rare beauties. My time is better off invested in other more fruitful pursuits.

Post: #36

(06-05-2014 10:20 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I agree but increasing your value only works for women that are looking for men. A lot of women are not looking for men, they are just looking for attention and sex on demand. They are looking for what they want when they want it and how they want it.

We're in a transition period. One man can never offer the level of validation her smartphone can. There's a lot of research into phones and the internet and how neurological links are being rewired on the fly to change how attention works. Game will have to change.

Also remember, the Queen Bees are preaching this attitude:





That being said, if there's anything more replaceable than a female pop singer, I've yet to see it. I predict the usual transition: fading look; falling sales; increasingly-desperate plastic surgery; soft focus videos; eventually cultivate the only audience who still cares - the gays.

Post: #37

(06-05-2014 02:15 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The main reason women flake is definitely abundance of options.

Lets put this into perspective:

Girls put in zero effort and yet have countless avenues to get dick and attention from men literally right at their fingertips. It is nigh impossible to find a Western girl between the ages of 12-40 that doesn't have a smart phone and some sort of social media outlet where she is undoubtedly receiving lots of attention. This is the "perfect storm" for breeding jaded, staunchly narcissistic, an socially detached individuals. The information age has allowed thirsty, weak, socially-inept men to "approach" women 24/7 free of any of inhibitions of actual physical confrontation where your emotions, anxiety, and all other bits of insecure social nuances are on display. Men who, in the past, would not have been competent in the dating market and would be off the sexual radar for any average girl - men who, in the past, would have to actually build up the social providence and hone their skills and confidence through traditional trial and error learning to actually meet and talk to desirable women. This is no longer the case. This translates to women getting attention and options for intimacy from far more people and at far more frequency than in the days of yore. Girls don't even need to be out in a social setting to meet men and get attention. She can sit home alone all day and be on Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, OKC, etc. and be getting friend requests, messages, likes, offers for dates. They get this same radio noise when they are out with friends, when they are on a date, whether or not they have a boyfriend/fiancé/husband it doesn't matter. 24/7/365.

Try to put yourself in those shoes and tell me you wouldn't blow girls off and be hypergamous. Imagine for a second that you made a dating profile and you got 25 messages a day. You made a Facebook account, posted a selfie and got 20 comments from different girls saying how cute you looked. Imagine you posted a status saying "Man, would love to go for a walk on the beach with a nice girl today" and you instantly got a flood of offers from women. You decide to make a date with the most attractive one (lease ugly one?) and then you get an offer from a girl that is more desirable. You going to have reservations for this not-so-great prospect when you have a couple of even better ones hitting you up? Of course not.

Abundance of options.

I think I should make an article out of this.

I was about to post almost the same thing word for word. Abundance mentality. That's all it comes down to. If you've ever known guys that live in a world of abundance, they are flaky too. Abundance of options makes people fickle-minded and flaky and unless they are the rare individuals with a high level of old-school social grace. Now adding to all you said above, the demographics are part of it too. Men outnumber women(sometimes vastly on the west coast) in the 18-29 demographic. Plus men in their 30s are still after those same women. I don't think we realize just how much sheer demand there is for an attractive, feminine and fit 20-something woman.

I read this article yesterday about a Asian-Australian woman residing in NYC who complains about incessantly being catcalled and groped in public.

Quote:I was walking to the gym when a guy on a bike rode past and said, "baby, can I smack that ass?" I am used to this kind of behaviour in my New York City neighbourhood, so I usually ignore it. Trust me – if I had it out with every man who said things like this to me, I’d have a much shorter, much more annoying day. So I just kept walking. He said it again, but before I could even decide what to do (or if I should do anything) about it, I felt his hand on my butt.

Quote:Since I moved to New York City from Melbourne, I’ve been subjected to street harassment with a regularity that almost defies belief. To begin with, I chalked it up to the bigger population in the city, and didn’t want to make a big deal out of it. I felt – and still feel – extremely grateful that I’ve rarely suffered any worse than catcalling, and it seemed like something I could just deal with and move on.

But eventually, I realised it was happening every day. It’s so predictably a part of my life now that I cringe in anticipation whenever a man looks at me. I internally genuinely bless every man who turns his face away from me when I walk past. I’ve tried dressing down and wearing no make-up when I leave the house, which hasn’t helped. It should go without saying that I don’t want to be the one who has to alter my behaviour to go unnoticed, and I hate that I even felt like I should try – but results say it’s a useless exercise, in any case.

All this sexual attention lavished on a chic that's a 5 on a good day:



Can you imagine the attention an 8 gets? The level of thirst among men in America is stupefying.

Post: #38

(06-05-2014 02:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  You don't know if a girl likes you or not until you try to date her. Getting her number, "vibing", and making plans mean nothing. It's just party talk.

Until she actually agrees to meet up with you and she shows up, you can not assume anything.

You can't assume anything even if she does show up. I'm aware most #s go nowhere and that's why i don't like taking #s at night. But in the daytime it's quite obvious what's up and if an idate is not possible, a # has to do. All i can think of is screen harder for attention whores, which may as well be screening them all out.

So glad i have a plane ticket right now. I need a change of scenery.

Post: #39

(06-05-2014 02:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  The rule of thumb is to always assume (or rather understand it as fact) that any women you are interested in has a lot of options. This answers all you question, quarrels, and conundrums.

Like I said about putting yourself in their shoes. If you had double digit prospects looking to hang out with you at a moment's notice, and you blow off one of them in lieu of seeing a more appealing and attractive one, are you going to give a shit what the girl thinks who you blew off?

Don't assume it's always because someone else is offering them attention. I've never met a western girl who wasn't slothfully-lazy at the best of times, and sometimes even the really hot ones simply can't be bothered putting the effort into getting dressed and look nice and faking be pleasant company a date requires and would rather just lie on the couch with a blanket and binge-watch reality television whilst eating ice-cream and bitching with her friends about which contestant she hates the most.

It's not that you're uninteresting or unattractive: it's just that you require far more effort and energy than they're currently-willing to expend.

Post: #40

@Gio I agree it is a rejection BUT like you said instead of being rejected upfront you are string along for the attention. So, how do you detect when a girl is really interested vs just wanting your attention? So you don't waste any more time than you have to on her. Does this mean you just have to wait until you get rejected for the date? I want to eject at the earliest possible point in the interaction - the moment I know she's not really interested in doing anything with me.

Post: #41

(06-05-2014 01:20 PM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  When am I going to be good enough?

I know this is the wrong attitude to have, but that doesn't discount the fact that I've thought that way.
Im just glad to see that its something a lot of other very experienced, very socially attractive men are dealing with so it's not just a case of coming off as "not alpha enough" or whatever.

Thanks bros

You can never be good enough anymore because we are no longer competing with real men. We are competing with Mr. Grey in 50 Shades of Grey. If a woman wants a relationship that's her standard these days. If she wants attention she has the horde of men out there who still believe that is how you win a woman. If she wants good sex THEN you have a shot at her. I tell young girls jokingly but it's no longer a joke they get more excited about food than men and sex. Young girls are losing their sexuality. A 20 yr old hottie recently told me she was asexual. I didn't even know what that word meant. I had to look it up and she wasn't lying.

We, at least the guys on here, at working hard to better ourselves but ultimately for what? I can't even get turned on by these masculine, sexless girls in this country anymore. There have been so many times I have simply walked away from a girl after failing to get any kind of sexual response from her. Sure, they like the attention and they like touching, making out, even the sex but what am I getting in return? I might as well be a gigolo or something, at least then I'll get paid.

Post: #42

(06-05-2014 03:20 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  It's not that you're uninteresting or unattractive: it's just that you require far more effort and energy than they're currently-willing to expend.

This is the smartest thing I have read in this thread. Girls want to bang, and if they flake, then you have made it too complicated or made it too much effort for her!

Post: #43

Numbers & Abundance is what it comes down too in the end I guess.

You can have the tightest game and logistics and STILL get flaked on.

Having options and double or in some cases triple booking dates helps relieve that frustration.

Changing dudes 1 by 1 to stop being so fucking thirsty would help out alot in the long run....or fuck just make prostitution legal, that'll check girls.

Post: #44

(06-05-2014 03:31 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  So, how do you detect when a girl is really interested vs just wanting your attention? So you don't waste any more time than you have to on her. Does this mean you just have to wait until you get rejected for the date?

Why are you even going on dates? I swear to god sometimes I feel like I am talking to a wall on this forum.

You're approaching this from entirely the wrong angle. All this shit about "abundance mentality" and "DHV" and blah blah blah is wildly over-engineered forum talk.

When someone walks into a car dealership and DOESN'T buy a car - is it because they have an abundance mentality or because the salesman didn't DHV enough? NO! It's because the dealer hired shitty sales people!! You don't go to a car dealer unless you want to BUY a car. The sale is there to lose. People don't go to car dealers for the goddamn coffee and balloons. The same with women:

Girls don't flirt with you unless they WANT to bang you! You think this shit is a game? It's not. It's animal instinct and animal nature. If she's flirting and gives you her number, then my friend the bang is yours to lose. She's not going to dick around while you try to tell her what a cool guy you are. You have a chance to engage her emotionally and then bang her and that is it. So get after it!

This shit mentality that I'm seeing on the forum lately, of thinking things are oh-so-complicated and that "iPhones suck" and that it's all the fault of "the culture" is all such bullshit. Sounds like the talk of people who are blaming everyone but themselves.

You want to reduce your flake rate? BE A WOLF! Get your MEAT and quit fucking around!

You think this wolf is going around asking deer on dates so he can try to eat them later?? COME ON!!

Post: #45

(06-05-2014 03:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  All this sexual attention lavished on a chic that's a 5 on a good day:



Can you imagine the attention an 8 gets? The level of thirst among men in America is stupefying.

I would say shes a 6 or so at least, and I dont even particularly like Asians. But maybe I am rating wrong.

But I still doubt she is getting hit on everyday. Well, maybe once. Sounds like shes trying to brag about something that doesnt actually happen. I almost dont want to believe that guys are that thirsty... (well, I also wouldve thought theyd be lazier)

Post: #46

Ratios in the west. Nearly as bad as China when you count all the fat women, women with multiple "baby daddy's".

No new information.

Post: #47

^ @BlurredSevens

Can you point to a post or explain skipping dating for situations like daygaming where you can only get a # due to time constraints?

Are you saying if she won't come directly
to your place for drinks or food you
always next her?

I get online sluts wanting to come straight over that is a different ball game though.

Post: #48

@BlurredSevens First, I started out in sales. I was selling shit since I was 16 yrs old. So I believe I know a little bit about the topic. A lot of people come into a showroom not with the intention to buy anything but merely to browse or window shop. You can't sell a car to someone that already has one. Sure, you try to convince them should upgrade but we all know how easy that is. The point is: many, many women today have no intention of buying shit when they engage you. They are merely window shopping and browsing or looking for attention. Sure, you can become a rabid wolf and drag them off to your cave if you really enjoy that sort of thing. Personally, I sort of like when the woman kind of willingly participate in my sexual activities but maybe I am asking for too much these days. As far as Game, I make it point to meet guys from this forum everywhere I go. I have yet to meet anyone that got girls as easily as my two model looking friends here in Miami.

Post: #49

(06-05-2014 02:17 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Until she actually agrees to meet up with you and she shows up, you can not assume anything.

So what Gio is saying here is that you have no choice but to put up with all of the BS and attention whoring in order to weed our the few live ones. That's a lot of work any way you cut it.

Post: #50

(06-05-2014 04:36 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  You can't sell a car to someone that already has one.

Who told you that? Probably someone else that failed when they tried. Why would you take advice from a failure?

(06-05-2014 04:36 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  convince them

Stop operating in the rational and logical world. You don't have to "convince" people to buy cars. You don't have to convince anyone to do anything - you play off their emotions and they will take action.

Just like you don't have to "convince" girls to sleep with you. You get them horny then offer an easy outlet.

You need to operate in the emotional world. Push & pull. Teasing. Flirting. Then go for the KILL. She'll love you for it.

(06-05-2014 04:36 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The point is: many, many women today have no intention of buying shit when they engage you. They are merely window shopping and browsing or looking for attention.

Another self-limiting belief.

You're jaded, homie. That's not good for business.