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Today I have discovered what a wonderful thing game really is. It was quite an emotional day for all 3 of us, my mother, my father and myself. And today I realized how far I've come in the past year. I've went from a skeptical person who thought game was merely a sleazy tool to get into a woman's pants, to a mature alpha man who realizes game is more, much more than that.

Game is a way of life. Game is the fundamental understanding of human interaction between men and women. And today game saved my parents' marriage.

Recently my mother was diagnosed with depression. She has been sitting at home sick for several weeks/months now. She overworked herself and told me her work environment was no longer a pleasant welcoming environment. She hates her boss (who's a woman, figures), she hates her colleagues who she has constant fights with and she hates the company she works for. She wanted to quit her job but with her age she knows it's nearly impossible to find another job and my dad doesn't earn enough to sustain both himself and my mother.

However, after talking for a while and using my game knowledge to have an actual proper conversation with my mother about her feelings, I unearthed the ugly truth. The root of my mother's depression was not her work, it was her marriage. After 27 years of marriage, my mother was no longer happy being with my father. She still loves him with all her heart, but she didn't feel loved anymore. She also felt misunderstood and she started to wonder if she and dad where still the right person for each other.

Digging deeper, I discovered my dad made a ton of typical Beta mistakes. No surprise there, because I always thought my dad was mostly a typical Beta provider. But the biggest mistake my dad made was approaching my mom and her current situation with logic. Whenever my mom and dad ended up in a discussion about my mom's situation, my dad used logical arguments based on facts against my mother's arguments based on emotions and her feelings. My mom is not stupid and knew damn well that my dad is often right in what he says, but she didn't feel heard, she didn't feel understood, and so in the end after a long argument she usually just said "yeah, you're right" and she would stay silent for the rest of the day, feeling miserable, feeling misunderstood and feeling unloved.

After hearing all this, I decided to approach my dad to hear his side of the story. Turns out my dad too started to grow tired of his marriage. He couldn't understand how my mom could be so irrational. His desire for my mom was at an all time low and his sexual frustration at an all time high because my mom didn't put out anymore. He didn't understand what he did wrong and he could not make any logical sense of the situation and how my mom dealt with it.
I explained to my dad how my mom felt, what she felt, how and why she felt misunderstood, and how he could change it. I told my dad that he had the power to turn this situation around. Only he could save his marriage, with game. When I told my dad this he was awestruck. The fool didn't even realize his marriage was in jeopardy. He was completely clueless.

So I started to teach my dad game. In one afternoon I shared all my knowledge with him that I collected over the past year from Roosh, this forum and other places. At first my dad was very stubborn and skeptical. He didn't take me seriously. But I verbally pimp slapped his ass until he finally listened for real. At the end of the day he gave me a reluctant but genuine thank you. Yes, my dad is a stubborn fool, but he'll learn. It's not to late for him to save his marriage.

Today my mom approached me again, in tears, thanking me from the bottom of her heart. She told me that my dad finally approached her and they had a long good talk. For the first time she felt understood and supported by him. For the first time since ages she felt loved by him again. After that they had sex again for the first time since a longggg time. My mom was so happy. She told me I saved their marriage.

Today my parents are married for exactly 27 years. I hope that they will be able to add many more years to that.


I want to thank Roosh and everyone on this forum from the bottom of my heart. Without this forum, without you guys sharing the red pill knowledge, this story might have had an entirely different ending. You guys rock! Thank you guys so much.

Post: #2

Awesome story mate.

Well done

Post: #3

excellent story

Post: #4

So...you talked to your father about game? He took in your wisdom, then had a talk to his wife, and their marriage was saved...?

Cool story.

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(05-29-2014 06:36 PM)RawGod Wrote:  So...you talked to your father about game? He took in your wisdom, then had a talk to his wife, and their marriage was saved...?

Cool story.

Yes, yes, yes and hopefully yes.

I sense you're skeptical about my story. What part do you find difficult to believe?

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"however, after talking for a while and using my game knowledge to have an actual proper conversation with my mother about her feelings"

what does this even mean?

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(05-29-2014 06:42 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  "however, after talking for a while and using my game knowledge to have an actual proper conversation with my mother about her feelings"

what does this even mean?

It means that instead of making the same mistakes my father made (and the old me would make) and approach my mother with cold straight logic and facts, I actually listened to the emotions she conveyed to me and responded to her emotions rather than what she actually said. I repeated her emotions back to her in my own words, showing her I genuinely understood her and understood her feelings, and tried to work from there. And whenever I felt my mom said something truly irrational, I agreed and amplified to make her see her mistakes, instead of doing what my dad did, which was flat out telling her she was wrong and then using logic and facts to explain her why she was wrong.

I also explained to my mom what kind of mistakes I thought my dad made and why he made them. She confirmed what I said and said she agreed. This gave me a pretty strong idea of what exactly was wrong in this marriage, which was primarily miss communication between the two of them, because they both communicated at entirely different levels, something I understood because of what I've read here on this forum and at other places, but something my dad was apparently completely clueless about.

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(05-29-2014 06:36 PM)RawGod Wrote:  So...you talked to your father about game? He took in your wisdom, then had a talk to his wife, and their marriage was saved...?

Cool story.

Usually a man resists hearing life-changing Red Pill wisdom. This goes 10x for a father getting schooled by his son.

You didn't mention any specifics about what you advised him nor about what he did with your mother.

While I'm sure there is a kernel in there, something doesn't add up.

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(05-29-2014 06:50 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Usually a man resists hearing life-changing Red Pill wisdom. This goes 10x for a father getting schooled by his son.

You didn't mention any specifics about what you advised him nor about what he did with your mother.

While I'm sure there is a kernel in there, something doesn't add up.

Well, you're certainly right about that. Believe me, my dad resisted heavily at first. But my dad also spoke with his sister about this. My aunt is pretty close with my mom, but extremely close with my dad. She has a strange effect on him. He can be the most stubborn person in the world and he will listen to nobody except for her. I get the feeling my aunt has been at work here as well, based on the fact that my dad replied to me several times with "that's what your aunt said as well".

I think deep inside my dad knew something was wrong and he needed to make a change, and when both your sister who you're extremely close with and your own son are starting to say the same things to you about your marriage, you might actually start considering what they're saying. I don't find that hard to believe at all.

The advice I gave him, in short, is: don't counter a woman's emotional arguments with logical arguments. Listen to her emotions and her tone, not what she's literally saying. Agree and amplify if you think what she says is truly wrong or ridiculous. Reply what you understood from her back at her in your own words, putting emphasis on her feelings so she feels heard and loved, and when she says "why didn't you buy flowers for me on mother's day, don't you love me anymore?" DO NOT reply with "you're not even my mother. And of course I love you, you know that, I don't need to buy flowers for you to know that", instead try to find out why she's saying this. Find the emotion in the sentence, which is not feeling loved. So make her feel loved by doing something nice for her and show her that you care about her emotions.

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Next step is to introduce your dad to my Mistress Method and all will really be well.

I kid.

Congrats dude. No one likes to see their family split up and kudos for having the balls to be a leader and take charge. If more kids got involved like this, instead of zoning out on World of Warcraft and Brazzers, maybe there would be more families together.

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This thread



Post an article on ROK and give it a catchy title.
Positive stories like this resonate with all types of people.

very serious about this.

Post: #13

I think "Game" can have many different meanings to people. I think you helped your Dad discover "Counselor Game".

Every woman wants a man to be her counselor/therapist, and by that I mean being someone that's really just an ear that listens, perhaps asks some questions about how she feels and what she may do, and what she thinks will occur if she takes such action or why she thinks Betty insists on putting walnuts in the brownies when she must know she's allergic to them. Or whatever crazy shit that's going on in her head.

The most powerful part of counselor game is being able to have her see her wishes are founded on a contradiction (a mission impossible), but just having a good listening ear is enough and more than most do.

Nice job helping your Dad.

Post: #14

You told us the story, but you didn't tell us what sorts of stuff you told him. That's the important part.

What sort of knowledge did you share with him to turn things around?

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(05-29-2014 09:10 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  You told us the story, but you didn't tell us what sorts of stuff you told him. That's the important part.

What sort of knowledge did you share with him to turn things around?

He said it later on here:

"The advice I gave him, in short, is: don't counter a woman's emotional arguments with logical arguments. Listen to her emotions and her tone, not what she's literally saying. Agree and amplify if you think what she says is truly wrong or ridiculous. Reply what you understood from her back at her in your own words, putting emphasis on her feelings so she feels heard and loved, and when she says "why didn't you buy flowers for me on mother's day, don't you love me anymore?" DO NOT reply with "you're not even my mother. And of course I love you, you know that, I don't need to buy flowers for you to know that", instead try to find out why she's saying this. Find the emotion in the sentence, which is not feeling loved. "

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Thanks for the kind replies guys.

Maybe I will post this on RoK as well. The manosphere has changed my life and now it has saved my parents' marriage (hopefully). I would love to share my story on RoK to show the world that game is not just a tool to get you laid, game is a positive thing that can do many good things for you, including saving your marriage.

Edit: If I where to write a more lengthy and detailed version of this story for RoK, how would I be able to post it there? I see no option of making an account on RoK.

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This is actually the one nugget of wisdom I took away from "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus". In short: DO NOT try to fix everything. Let her vent, amplify her emotions back to her. She doesn't want to be fixed, she wants to be heard.

"Counselor game" is a good term. Krauser calls this kind of thing "deep conversion". You could also just call it "getting inside her head".

Anyway, well done. There's not enough stuff written on LTR game.

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(05-29-2014 09:14 PM)Mr. Calicoat Wrote:  Edit: If I where to write a more lengthy and detailed version of this story for RoK, how would I be able to post it there? I see no option of making an account on RoK.

There's a submissions or reader submissions or submit an article button near the bottom I think. Just be sure to add a note for Roosh or Tuth that it's you and what it's about.

Post: #19

(05-29-2014 06:42 PM)Mr. Calicoat Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 06:36 PM)RawGod Wrote:  So...you talked to your father about game? He took in your wisdom, then had a talk to his wife, and their marriage was saved...?

Cool story.

Yes, yes, yes and hopefully yes.

I sense you're skeptical about my story. What part do you find difficult to believe?

Scepticism is valid. As we say in Russia, "eggs don't teach the hen".

Post: #20

Decent story. Never heard someone be so happy about their parents having sex.

Post: #21

Interesting story, but how do you know your dead isn't turned on by her anymore because she's getting older?

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(05-30-2014 12:10 PM)MattC Wrote:  Decent story. Never heard someone be so happy about their parents having sex.

This is the part I found a little strange. However, op is in Holland, and I think they have very open attitudes about this. Don't they encourage bf/gf to have sex at home instead of some motel for safety sake, since they'll be having sex anyway? It all seems so matter-of-fact.

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This reminds me of the first back to the future film when marty mcfly had to go back in time and teach his dad game so that he could date his mum.

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(05-30-2014 03:39 PM)Menace Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 12:10 PM)MattC Wrote:  Decent story. Never heard someone be so happy about their parents having sex.

This is the part I found a little strange. However, op is in Holland, and I think they have very open attitudes about this. Don't they encourage bf/gf to have sex at home instead of some motel for safety sake, since they'll be having sex anyway? It all seems so matter-of-fact.

I'm not Holland. I'm not from Holland either. I am Dutch though and from The Netherlands.

I'm very open with my parents and sex was never a taboo in my upbringing. Unlike the USA and some other places in the world we Dutch people aren't prudes.

And indeed. The very idea of having sex at a motel or hotel is utterly alien to us. Most kids in The Netherlands just fuck their girlfriend at home. I was banging my teenage girlfriend at my parents' house when I was in high school, no problem. My mom even gave me condoms.

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Great Story!

"The advice I gave him, in short, is: don't counter a woman's emotional arguments with logical arguments. Listen to her emotions and her tone, not what she's literally saying. Agree and amplify if you think what she says is truly wrong or ridiculous. Reply what you understood from her back at her in your own words, putting emphasis on her feelings so she feels heard and loved"

From an American perspective, this is 50% of what you hear on Dr. Phil or Oprah.
- "listen to her emotions and her tone" - is what gets conveyed to a nodding female audience.

The Red Pill parts are
- don't counter her emotional arguments with logical ones
- agree and amplify
- reply in her own words
- put emphasis on the feeling

^These are the "controversial" parts.

The feminist will say
- her emotional arguments are not EMOTIONAL, they're logical! Women are logical and rational!

or

- men don't consider the totality of the circumstances. (which includes her emotional side!)

With that in mind, be very careful in how you explain your solution to most of Man's problems. Because I've seen chicks latch onto particular words and phrases and go off on an irrational tangent...

And in terms of implementation, like Onto said, it's "counselor" game. But if your chick is any sort of savvy, she's going to feel "handled" if you ask her if you use typical counselor language

"How does that make you feel?"
"How did that make you feel when it happened"

Personally, I spot that sort of manipulation right away, and knowing that I'm not really being listened to, only makes me that much more angry.

This reminds me of an abandoned post of mine from last week.

WIA