Post: #101

@Gio - a few back at you:

I want to ask you -- Would you still bang a stripper and/or porn star?
- Yes. I have, I can, and I do. The craziness of these chicks is easy to spot (saying a stripper or porn star is crazy is basically a tautology). I'm much less concerned about repercussions from crazy bitches that are easy to spot.

I have met 2 girls who wanted me to kill them!
- Fine. And once again, this would actually freak me out much less. This is some bitch telling you right to your face she is nuts. Although I take this brand of crazy seriously, I feel pretty confident I could have a wild night and get the fuck out of dodge before I was entwined by anything too serious.

It sounds like you are describing borderline psychopaths/sociopaths. Often times, they are impossible to spot except to a trained expert.
- Yes, this was kind of the whole point of starting the thread. This is also the center of why I will go out of my way to correct you when you want to group the two sets of crazy together. With your "suicidal chicks" or your strippers or your porn stars...all of these are easy to spot.

I think it is really good for all of us to pay attention to both types of crazy, because many of us will keep going back for extra helpings of pussy when we know in our gut it is time to move on. I suspect most of us never really understood the distinction between a personality disorder like BPD and a chemical imbalance like bi-polar. I wish I would've known. Going forward keep in mind that for the invisible BPD type of crazy, you can either learn about it after you have had a very costly lesson, or you can learn tips on how to spot them from others that have already learned the hard way.

Post: #102

(05-08-2014 02:23 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  @Gio - a few back at you:

I want to ask you -- Would you still bang a stripper and/or porn star?

- Yes. I have, I can, and I do.

Okay, than we are in agreement here.

There is nothing wrong with banging strippers and porn stars!

(05-08-2014 02:23 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  I have met 2 girls who wanted me to kill them!

I feel pretty confident I could have a wild night and get the fuck out of dodge before I was entwined by anything too serious.

Exactly! A "wild night" and "get the fuck out of dodge".

We are in agreement here.

Like I said, "no emotional attachment"!

(05-08-2014 02:23 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  It sounds like you are describing borderline psychopaths/sociopaths. Often times, they are impossible to spot except to a trained expert.

- Yes, this was kind of the whole point of starting the thread.

I think it is really good for all of us to pay attention to both types of crazy,

Okay, I got it now..

The whole point of this thread was to help guys understand the difference between "BPD" and just a regular "crazy chick".

I am re-reading your posts now.

Very educational and important stuff.

Thank you for clarifying.

I appreciate you honesty in admitting that you still bang strippers and porn stars.

Post: #103

^ Two more:

1. I think the thread serves us all to go ahead and include all of the crazies. I just don't think it takes a genius to realize the suicide chick is nuts and you need to take caution. I think there are now a lot of contributions from people about BPD stuff, which frankly I didn't used to understand very well.

2. While it is true that I have banged a number of strippers, I don't think I've banged a porn star (at least not one that I can verify). I did bang a rock star though.

Post: #104

^^^Spot-on. Crazy girls fine. Smash it once or twice.

The ones you need to worry are the "angel-faces" who are secret psychos. Something triggers a biological self-destruct. These girls will can say and do anything and you'll (or even worse Law-enforcement officers and family members) believe it, because there are no warning signs. Its unpredictability is its weapon. Its rears its ugly head when you think that this girl is all "girl scout cookies and milk". These are the girls who you'll marry and have kids, then wonder how she stole 10MM from your joint bank account ( true story from a family friend) or how she transferred your multi-million dollar apartment(another true story- somebody's daugther re-wrote the deed unto her name) when you went on a trip or how she drowned your kids in the bath-tub(think that crazy psycho women on TV) or how she went on a 3 state bender and pretended that something kidnapped, gagged and raped her (another true story from a girl I knew in HS). The last story they had a FBI and local police team that combed the area for this serial rapist, searched all evidence, and checked dates. Later found out she made it all up. Sued her for 50+k.

This brand of insidious crazy is a force to be reckoned with and not easily spotted. I am a very intuitive person (compared to the average dude) and I only spot glimpses of it w/in 2-3 months of knowing a girl. Its a black swan of chaos. Better avoid at all costs, because that risk is not quantifiable.

Post: #105

@DVY - very nice summary on this topic.

Post: #106

Alright brother Gio, let's use a more concrete example of why you need to be able to spot BPD. Earlier this year I met this really hot red head in a dive bar. She was pretty much running the pool table and drinking warm Jameson out of a plastic cup. Not really my cup of tea, but it was definitely getting her a lot of attention the way she owned anyone that wanted to challenge her at pool. I went outside to the patio and eventually she came outside. We started talking and I found her quite interesting. As she was walking back in I decided to go ahead and grab her and lay one on her. It resulted in us making out from the patio, through the bar, and into her car. Me being of sound logistics, of course I had this one to say: "my place is only 2min from here".

We were in my place and she started getting a little weird. Then she started biting my fucking lip...and started pulling some shit that made it seem like she was some sort of dominatrix type and this shit was about to surface. I asked her about it, and she confirmed that she liked to be a dom. [Aside: I'm not into this shit at all]. We are kissing again and starts trying to get a little rough and started talking some weird shit. All of a sudden I saw the light: I grabbed this bitch by the back of her scruff and yanked her head back...hard...not the playful hair pulling I usually pull when fucking a girl. I'm a big dude, and I just pulled it really hard...lowering her halfway to the floor and said to her "your not a dom, your a sub"...then I turned her around, bent her over the back of my couch and undid her pants...all while holding her hair really fucking tight.

Next thing you know it was like I flipped a light switch. She went into this "daddy's little girl" zone. She wanted to be spanked. She wanted to be good for daddy. Some of the shit she said she wanted to do for daddy was crazy. The more I spanked her, the more she would grab my cock and say nastier and nastier stuff she wanted to do for daddy. She even said stuff like "mommy is such a bitch and won't take care of you, I'm the only one that will take care of you, I will please your cock everyday daddy, I just want you to love me." But, she had been bad and kept needing more spankings. It was pretty fucking twisted...but, fuck it, I rolled with it and I admit it was actually really hot.

The next day she sent me the below picture with the caption "what daddy did to me".

Now, we had some hot texting later and had plans to see each other later in the week. But, in the meantime I'm pretty sure I counted a good 3 or 4 red flags that would put this one well on the way to being a true BPD Vampire. If I had nothing to lose I might take the advice of one of my friends "dude, just don't let her tie you up and don't give her a key to your apartment...and enjoy!" Or, I can take a step back and apply a longer term thought process with the knowledge of what I've learned about BPD.

Of course, there is a good chance that this was all fun and she is just a little crazy sexually. No harm, no foul. But, IF SHE IS A BPD...and she has the picture below, what could she do with it? And the picture below was the result of her being in my place. Isn't there some chance she could come up with some stories and use it against me? (if we use our imaginations I'm sure we can come up with a few...from a false police report, white knights, lawyer friend, blackmail, etc.).

I decided that even if it were a small chance that she was actually a BPD, if it turned out she actually was, the potential consequences resulting from going back for more pussy wouldn't be worth the benefit.

Post: #107

Having dealt with the emotional ruin that these broads leave in their wake, I'm totally on board with the no tolerance policy.

But honestly, some of these stories are giving me slight chub. The fact that I know I have to run from it makes it all the more tempting.

Post: #108

Here are a few books that helped me get through my divorce from one. Good for anyone associated with one now. There is a lot of hand ringing here over when to leave, etc. Its a simple philosophy thats easy enough to apply consistently and remember when drunk - pump and dump.

BPD Demystified
Stop Walking On Eggshells
I Hate You, Dont Leave Me
Splitting

Post: #109

Wow Vaun...we have the exact same reading list.

The full title of "splitting" may be helpful for the group. The full title is "Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder".

It was actually this book that helped me convince myself to go "all chips in" and just cash her out in exchange for a pressure cooker timeline in which she had a 10 day window to take the lottery ticket and sign the papers, or face my team of attack dog lawyers and call my bluff that she was getting the deal of a lifetime.

Post: #110

(05-17-2014 10:07 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  It was actually this book that helped me convince myself to go "all chips in" and just cash her out in exchange for a pressure cooker timeline in which she had a 10 day window to take the lottery ticket and sign the papers, or face my team of attack dog lawyers and call my bluff that she was getting the deal of a lifetime.

Good strategy, get it done quickly. more guys need to do this. In the dating world BPD isn't too much of an issue because you aren't legally connected to crazy, you can simply walk out. For the married guys its a whole other issue.

Post: #111

Post: #112

(05-17-2014 07:22 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  We were in my place and she started getting a little weird. Then she started biting my fucking lip...and started pulling some shit that made it seem like she was some sort of dominatrix type and this shit was about to surface. I asked her about it, and she confirmed that she liked to be a dom. [Aside: I'm not into this shit at all]. We are kissing again and starts trying to get a little rough and started talking some weird shit. All of a sudden I saw the light: I grabbed this bitch by the back of her scruff and yanked her head back...hard...not the playful hair pulling I usually pull when fucking a girl. I'm a big dude, and I just pulled it really hard...lowering her halfway to the floor and said to her "your not a dom, your a sub"...then I turned her around, bent her over the back of my couch and undid her pants...all while holding her hair really fucking tight.

Next thing you know it was like I flipped a light switch. She went into this "daddy's little girl" zone. She wanted to be spanked. She wanted to be good for daddy. Some of the shit she said she wanted to do for daddy was crazy. The more I spanked her, the more she would grab my cock and say nastier and nastier stuff she wanted to do for daddy. She even said stuff like "mommy is such a bitch and won't take care of you, I'm the only one that will take care of you, I will please your cock everyday daddy, I just want you to love me." But, she had been bad and kept needing more spankings. It was pretty fucking twisted...but, fuck it, I rolled with it and I admit it was actually really hot.

The next day she sent me the below picture with the caption "what daddy did to me".

Alright man, that was some fucking hot sex even if she's a BPD I'd go back for more no doubt

Post: #113

^LOL

Post: #114

I think the first step for any redpill guy is to remove any super crazy women who are entangled in his life. Especially if they have a control on his money/survival. This is like the triage of redpill. But, you have to do it very carefully, and know what you are doing.

So, don't go rushing into it's going to get you in trouble. Try to find a way to disengage without any drama.

Post: #115

(05-05-2014 02:11 PM)wandenreich Wrote:  Not sure why but she was already taking birth control pill 3 weeks ago when I first bang her and was still on it when we bang last Wednesday. Urged me to go raw both times.

Be very careful. This kind of woman won't think twice about getting herself pregnant on your dime.

Can you imagine juggling this type of crazy for another 18+ years or fighting a custody battle with her?

(05-08-2014 12:53 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  at some point I will post my views on making money (or data sheet)

Yes, please do.

(05-08-2014 01:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Once, a girl at work accused me of sexual harassment. It was a lie because she didn't like me.

HR called me in for a meeting and I threatened to get a lawyer and sue the girls and the company.

They got scared and nothing ever happened. I wasn't worried because I was never alone with the girl and I had a lot of witnesses who would support me.

The company knew this and that's why they didn't pursue it.

I'm really surprised you're so skeptical about the fear of false rape claims after you went through this. You could just as easily have been in a situation where you had been alone with the girl and it was her word against yours. You were lucky that wasn't the case.

Also, wandenreich is communicating with a woman who has mentioned being raped, said something he described "made [her] think of [her] ex and being raped and how terrible sex was in [her] mind," and then talking about some guy sexually recently sexually assaulting her in another round of texts.

It's one thing to enjoy sex with crazy - it's another to play with dynamite when a crazy woman obviously has a fixation with men and sexual assault.

Maybe false rape accusations are more rare than the picture we paint, but you must admit that if it happens at all, and it does, this woman is a prime candidate for making such a claim.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #116

@anon123- standard variety crazy. Just text her after each sesh and say I had a great time. lets hang out again, yes. Back that up to a drive somewhere.

Post: #117

Here is an example - a bunch of voicemails left by a crazy on the ex boyfriend's phone, with explanations of the underlying tactics by a psychologist:

http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/05/27/wha...telephone/

TLDR: recommended course of action by a shrink = run and cut off all ties, never to return.

Post: #118

(05-17-2014 07:22 PM)anonymous123 Wrote:  Alright brother Gio,

Isn't there some chance she could come up with some stories and use it against me?

She could lie. File a false police report. Attempt to blackmail you. Attempt to commit extortion. Commit slander, etc.

If she does this, she would be the one committing a crime.

She is crazy, you are smart.

You have money and good lawyers. She is probably poor, stupid, and crazy.. Which is why she is doing all of this in the first place.

If she lies, files a false police report, tries to blackmail/extort you..

There is probably a better chance that she will go to jail..

But, I admit, it wouldn't be worth the hassle/time/money

*****

I don't know..?

The only thing I know is to be careful.

Because of this thread, I am now being extra careful!

(05-18-2014 02:12 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I'm really surprised you're so skeptical about the fear of false rape claims after you went through this.

I don't live in fear.

I especially don't live in fear of a crime I didn't commit.

The chick who falsely accused me ended up losing her job because of it. After she did that, everyone viewed her as a weirdo and trouble maker.

*****

I was 25 years old on September 11th, 2001. One of those airplanes was headed to San Francisco (United flight 93), I could have been on one of those planes, A friend of a friend was on that plane. I do not live in fear of terrorism

I was 17 years old on July 1st 1993. Some guy went into a downtown San Francisco building with a bunch of guns and murdered 9 people. I game on that street all the time. I do not live in fear of mass shooters

I was 13 years old on October 17th, 1989. I was at school playing basketball. All of the sudden, the baskets started shaking violently. We had a massive earthquake. A part of the Bay Bridge collapsed, ta part of the freeway collapsed, neighborhoods burned, many people died. I don't live in fear of earthquakes

When I was a little boy, there was a serial killer loose in San Francisco, The Night Stalker. I don't live in fear of serial killers

I don't rape, so, I don't live in fear of a rape charge.

Maybe, the way I think is wrong but this is just the way I go through life.

Post: #119

It's a good philosophy, with the exception that false rape charges are a lot more common than terrorist attacks. But still.

Post: #120

Just stumbled across this Valentine's photo from a couple of years back.

I love good girls and they are much better for us, but you have to admit that these crazy bitches can be fun.

Post: #121

I was expecting a "Top That Motherfucker". I can't help but be a little jelly of that.

Post: #122

(05-18-2014 05:53 PM)DVY Wrote:  @anon123- standard variety crazy. Just text her after each sesh and say I had a great time. lets hang out again, yes. Back that up to a drive somewhere.

@DVY - yes brotha, you were right. It took me some time, but I got a number of texts out of her that 1) she had a great time, and 2) would like to hang out again. Now I have it on file (and hopefully don't decide to go for a little dip with the crazy red head that restarts the clock).

I thought for sure this shit was stale, but the bitch was happy to start (restart) texting after I gave her the "no reply" for 4 months.

Post: #123

Oh, and I'm still proud of that bruise! I'm not big into spanking, but woke up feeling like a pro! (a pro name daddy!)

Post: #124

Wow... This thread is amazing, wasn't aware so many guys have been through a similar situation, this is the great thing about forums like these.

I'm on mobile atm but will post the full story soon, I only recently fully extricated myself from one of these, highlights :

- Abused as child
- Used to be an actress in Japan but never made it big and quit, cannot let this go
- binge drinker
- Impossibly clingy
- Ambulanced to emergency room 7 times in the course of our year together for extreme intoxication and suicide threats
- Attacked me with a knife
- Tried to jump off her room mates 12th floor balcony then attacked her, they are currently in court
- Got sued by an ex for biting his finger so hard it nearly severed
- Attacked a taxi driver, passed out then tried to physically assault 2 police
- Attacked three police who accompanied an ambulance in the lobby of my apartment before being subdued and stretchered off
- Followed and harrased me for one whole year after I broke up with her, totally unable to accept someone was dumping her (you're the only one ever dumped me etc wtc)
- Another ex of hers was having her followed by a private detective and trying to get her back (very Rich beta, as in almost billionaire)
- Prescription medication addiction (sleepers)
- Ocd - Constantly y scratching and pulling her hair out
- No sense of self or self esteem, tried to make me responsible for her life or death (I'll kill myself if you leave me)

Damn... Just writing this I can't believe how crazy this sounds and its the tip of the iceberg. It's really hard to get rid of one of these.... Be careful guys

Post: #125

@192

That is one hell of a list! I will be honest, that is way off the charts (this broad sounds like she has crossed over into the sociopath category making the most wonderful of cocktails: the BPD/Sociopath).

"Got sued by an ex for biting his finger so hard it nearly severed"

This is so off the charts nuts (and I bet she played all nice and sweet sucking on his finger and then CHOMP!)

Crazy!