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(04-20-2014 11:09 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Glad Texas is still fine......for now......
Guys don't approach here so it'll be preserved for the next 4 years.....hopefully. I've even been complimented on a wearing a nice tie and approached by woman. I just hope it doesn't sink as far as everyone else says everywhere else has sank. I just want to get out fast if what is said here spreads South.

I think it'll be ok overall. Where there is a will there's a way....just some shocking observations on the ground but nothing worth obsessing about though

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(04-20-2014 11:04 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I consider myself pretty new to game and I have to say I'd be lying if I said the content herein isn't disturbing, but also somewhat depressing.

However, is it surprising? Definitely not.

I've always thought it is better to try to understand what's going on around you at any given moment than to live in the past or bury your head in the sand. This discussion is very helpful because we can get an accurate picture of where American culture is "right now" in the present. We're better off cutting our losses with styles of game that won't yield any kind of consistent results in the states anymore.

These trends are obviously going to cause a demographic collapse in the U.S. soon. Women are primarily interested in their phones and pills in America, and they've pretty much lost interest in 99% of the men around them. Most of these party skanks who are in their 20s now just aren't going to reproduce. That also means the available supply of sex is going to keep shrinking if current trends continue, because the women just can't be bothered. Thirst among American males will reach new heights.
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(04-20-2014 04:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The general problem is that the hot girls know they are hot. The way they walk is arrogant and haughty with no eye contact. They act in a way that when you start your approach, there is no doubt that you are being judged as scum until you prove otherwise.

I'm seeing the logic on how Day Bang was constructed with American girls in mind. I had the misfortune of opening two American girls directly the other day. One did this dramatic sidestep like she was in a movie trying to escape a bear, the other one said "huh?", took out her phone and shrieked "do you need something?!" A little later I approached 2 different German girls (one a model) and the differences in their reactions compared to the Americans were ridiculous. It's not enjoyable interacting with American girls yet they demand fun, whatever that means at whatever moment they're feeling. It's like dealing with schizophrenics. If only there were little flags on top of their heads so I would know it's an American girl and not approach her London style, or hell, not approach at all.

(04-20-2014 08:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  When talking to these girls, you have to hide reality and connect with her based on fantastical assumptions. So not only do you have to be a clown, but the audience you're entertaining is hypersensitive children who are one step away from crying to mom and dad because they didn't like your performance.

The state of the game in 2014 America is bread and circuses. Shiny, happy, sterile fun bubbles. Megalomania with a pint of tiger blood. We're a nation of narcissists and need the next quick fix before we cast it aside for something more fun. One can hope the hyperinflated attention economy crashes, taking social media and the thirsty hordes with it. Realistically, the bread and circuses will continue as social media finds creative new ways to make people autistic.

Another problem is there are too many dancing monkeys who get addicted to a girl's validation. The more they entertain, the more they think the girl likes them. Everyone is trading validation, the guy with his 'fun vibe' and the girl with her laughs but nothing is actually happening. The "vibing" is so meaningless but people are becoming accustomed to this 'service with a smile' nonsense as a default "hello". If you can't meet this minimal baseline fun factor, you won't be considered worthy of attention. A lot of these guys are clueless on escalating and closing so they become the best friends playing their little orbit game, flooding the market with useless attention.

The american girl is not her own person. She has put herself in a position so she can never think for herself and never make a truly empowered decision. She has her friends deciding for her, she has her iphone thinking for her, and she has all the attention in the world preventing her from taking control of her emotional life. Even if she's 'alone with you', that phone is still her window into the world. If her phone dies, finding a charger may be more important than talking to you.

This is not a war that can be won and red pill men in america are pilgrims in an unholy land. After 2 years of heavy approaching, the only girls whose names, personalities and good memories I can remember are the nonAmerican girls. The American girls seamlessly blend into a collective blank. I can stay here, make money and grind it out for an unsatisfactory romp, or I can say fuck it and finally start my Deadbatesque journey in Europe. My boss is saying I should really consider grad school. Maybe it's time....


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(04-20-2014 08:35 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  My personal observation in a different thread a few months back was the astonishing amount of time girls and people in general take to text back (2-3 days often times). Even just 3 or 4 years ago 3-4 hours was a long time to text back.

The growth in text-response time is definitely happening. I used to have a "two-hour rule," where I'd physically cross out a girl off my list if she didn't respond by then. If didn't reply within a two-hour window, it used to mean--at least statistically--she was definitely never replying.

I've now had to extend that twice, to account for the consistent (though often tepid and flakey) responses well beyond that time limit.

Last few #s I've gotten have taken 1-2 days to respond back without a 'sorry' or have texted at 1am a few days after my text insinuating they're at a far away bar but not actually inviting. They want to write you off as 'overeager' if you respond quickly, or if you take your time they can let you go with 'oh he's playing games.' It's high time these iphones come with zap apps. A little punishment goes a long way.

(04-20-2014 09:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Even in Manhattan (lower east side) things aren't as happening as they used to be.

Weather's been shit for the past 4 months, could be that. Also the weekends are rife with big mixed groups, so much unnecessary headache that simply doesn't exist on a weeknight, though weeknights won't have as many opportunities so you have to on point.

(04-20-2014 10:13 PM)Vaun Wrote:  Last year was a revelation for me, finding day game, approaching over 100x and experiencing the thrill and truly enjoying the ride. Since it got cold, I gave up the day game totally. Now I am getting back to it, and look forward to revitalizing that same thrill again.

The fact that there are always foreign girls walking around nyc is what keeps me going for now. It's still no substitute for being in-country but it's a nice break from the absurdity of the usa. The funny thing is it feels better getting a polite rejection from a European girl than taking a # from an American girl.
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Quote:I'm seeing the logic on how Day Bang was constructed with American girls in mind.

While in Europe I've had some doubt about if indirect is really superior to direct, but my recent experience in DC makes it very clear to me why and how I developed an indirect game. Unless you are pre-approved or top 1% in looks, a direct approach will be a painful experience and result in a tough failure most of the time. I can't even go direct here a few minutes in when I'm seemingly already "in". You have to be aloof the whole way through. The "cats" in America are much more sensitive than in Europe.

I also noticed that the more indirect my openers, the better the set goes. "Is that a good drink?" is opening pretty well for me. But even that is not fullproof. I opened a girl with "Is downstairs any good?" because I really wanted to know, and I swear to god she replied, "Is that your pickup line?" I scratched my head on that one for a while.

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Ever since joining RVF, reading all the stories with direct openers have made me use direct almost exclusively. I don't want to waste time and want to go straight to the point.

It's had mixed results, I tend to scare the cat most of the time but there are times when I get "you're quite ballsy/aggressive/confident, I like that".

It's weird.

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@Unbowed:

Great observations, great comments, right on point.

You mentioned how a lot of guys willingly adopt the posture of the "organ grinder monkey", and enter into the validation feedback loop with these American chicks. They jump around and dance to the tune played by the worthless females here.

You also noted how they don't "know how to physically escalate" or close the deal. Also true.

But I've come to realize something even more disturbing: most of these guys don't really want to close. That is, they have become so asexual and neutered that they're comfortable being in friend zone. Their identity is constructed around actually being, and staying, in friendzone. I think a lot of them get so little sex that they don't really care any more. The genders are blending into one big mosh pit of attention whores.

It is a no-win game for any man with a minimum of self-respect. The only way you can deal with the bullshit is if you totally detach your consciousness from them, and just run on some kind of spiritual autopilot.

That's why I've come to believe that self-improvement and spiritual growth are the only defenses against the hostile environment we're in.
Only by becoming as calm, detached, and as unemotional as a Hindu cow, or a Buddha, can anyone deal with this soul-killing insanity.

But in the end, we always come to the cost/benefit question: how can we get the most femininity for our time and effort? Abroad, abroad, abroad.

Or, like you said, seek out foreign women in your own city.


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(04-21-2014 01:00 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  But I've come to realize something even more disturbing: most of these guys don't really want to close. That is, they have become so asexual and neutered that they're comfortable being in friend zone. Their identity is constructed around actually being, and staying, in friend zone.


....But in the end, we always come to the cost/benefit question: how can we get the most femininity for our time and effort? Abroad, abroad, abroad.

Or, like you said, seek out foreign women in your own city.

I don't want to fuck someone who moves, acts, speaks like, and has the emotional setup of a guy just because they have a vagina and, sometimes, long hair.


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(04-21-2014 12:41 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I opened a girl with "Is downstairs any good?" because I really wanted to know, and I swear to god she replied, "Is that your pickup line?" I scratched my head on that one for a while.

Thanks for being honest with us and sharing the good and the bad. I really like this about the forum. I wonder how everyone else would have/has dealt with this.

This has happened to me before and I've just gotten blown out. In hindsight, I would probably agree and amplify, and 'sarcastically' go direct. 'Yes, it took me a long time to come up with it, but I just had to talk to you.' Straight face. Depending on her reaction, you can smirk and continue, or shake your head in disgust and walk away.
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(04-20-2014 08:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's an examples of the sensitivity I noticed:

I talked to a cute blonde girl with hair that was shoulder-length. I said, "Your hair looks silky, but I wonder how you'd look with long hair."

Her: "I used to have hair down to almost my stomach."

Me: "Wow. Do you have a picture of it?"

Her: "Yes. *loads up iphone* But all my friends say I look better with short hair."

She showed me a couple pictures and there was absolutely no doubt that the long hair was better. I looked back and forth between her and the picture a couple times. Then I took a VERY GENTLE tone...

Me: "And you said all your friends said the short hair is better"

Her: "Yes, all. Everyone."

Me: "Mmhmm. You current hair is nice [a lie], but...... your long hair is quite nice."

Her: "But everyone likes the short hair more."

Me: "Even guys?"

Her: "Yes every guy says the shorter hair is better."

Me: "I would like to be the dissenting opinion. The long hair looked very nice. I think most girls would kill to have that type of hair."

And that was it. She immediately turned away from me. Now understand that my tone and facial expression was polite. There was no way you can construe that I was insulting her, and if anything I was complimenting her photos. But it was still too much for her.

When talking to these girls, you have to hide reality and connect with her based on fantastical assumptions. So not only do you have to be a clown, but the audience you're entertaining is hypersensitive children who are one step away from crying to mom and dad because they didn't like your performance.

I don't understand this to be honest. The whole interaction screams of insecurity on her part. She tried to validate her decision several times.

1. "I used to have long hair..." Means she recently regrets cutting off her hair
2. "All my friends like the short hair" no, they notice she was emotionally upset after making a bad decision and decided to make her feel better by saying she looks beautiful.

She was not hyper sensitive she was being very clear "don't make fun of my hair I plan on growing it back out"

Should have teased her about something else. This is similar to when a girl constantly wears sunglasses outside and teasing her about "slight dark spots below her eyes like a panda bear". She would get pissed.

I still tease girls all the time, I just don't tease them on things they actually care about or are insecure about.
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(04-20-2014 08:34 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:As a result, I--someone who probably has above-average game skill--find myself going through more frequent episodes of game fatigue.

I know guys who are way above-average with game who feel the same. If they are getting tired, can you imagine the guys with no game?

Classic game as we practiced it in the 00's will provide less rewards as these trends continue. For better or worse, a MGTOW philosophy is the future for "average" men. The US market is so stacked against men that it's becoming the rational option. I sense a huge shift in the near future (5 years) where men become MGTOW without realizing what it is. The Japanese herbivore phenomenon is the closest model to what we will see in the States.

This is just a little bit of venting.

I am a tall, good looking guy. I am friends with quite a few tall, good looking guys. The vast majority of us are around 21-24. Almost all of these guys are well socially adjusted, cool guys who have been getting laid since high school.

Dude, it is ridiculous. When any one of them are without a girlfriend, they go months and months without sex. All of them are struggling. A lot have gone back to their old girlfriends just to get laid. Even above average, socially adjusted guys are having a hard time.

I myself have approached at least 50-60 girls in the 7-8 range through day game this year. Not that much, I know. Still, I keep hearing "not interested" or "I have a boyfriend" over and over and over again. The only girls I end up having sex with are because and it has been made abundantly clear to me, I was "the chosen one".

At the bars, it is even worse. I have watched average guys approach hot girls and they won't even utter a word. They will just look at the guy for five minutes, show no emotion, then walk away. Attractive guys are pretty much "allowed" to speak to them. We are not even talking about having a legitimate chance at getting laid. Just being allowed to have a conversation.

I'll live to fight another day, but sometimes this just feels discouraging.
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So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

The manosphere narrative is that girls are getting sluttier and the cock carousel is a huge problem, but like mentioned earlier, it's possible girls are being satisfied with attention from social networking and actually sleeping with fewer men. We may be in the middle of some type of shift.

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(04-21-2014 12:41 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I opened a girl with "Is downstairs any good?" because I really wanted to know, and I swear to god she replied, "Is that your pickup line?" I scratched my head on that one for a while.

Use one of the Tuthmosis All-Purpose Slammer Lines™ at times like these. I rarely need to use them these days, since I hardly do night game anymore. The magic of these lines is that you can dial up or dial down the aggression with just minor tone adjustments. They don't read so brutal on the screen, but they land like a quick jab to the face:

1. "Don't flatter yourself." [Alternative: "Stop flattering yourself."]

2. "You're full of shit." [less appropriate in this particular case]

3. "Not everything revolves around you." [I often customize this one. In this case, I'm fairly certain I would have said "You think everything is pickup line at you?"]

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Serious question - how many of these problems are related to smart phones? One has to wonder if it would be anything like this if we were still using flip phones.
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(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

The manosphere narrative is that girls are getting sluttier and the cock carousel is a huge problem, but like mentioned earlier, it's possible girls are being satisfied with attention from social networking and actually sleeping with fewer men. We may be in the middle of some type of shift.

Will this mean that women will turn into herbivore omegas in a similar fashion to Japan's omega herbivores? Except one would replace anime for social media and cellphones.

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(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

The manosphere narrative is that girls are getting sluttier and the cock carousel is a huge problem, but like mentioned earlier, it's possible girls are being satisfied with attention from social networking and actually sleeping with fewer men. We may be in the middle of some type of shift.

It is just a very female controlled market.

There are a few who known town bicycles. You can spot them out because they know the security guards at bars pretty well.

But, these girls are a small minority of the girls around.

A significant portion of the 7's and above have boyfriends or a fuck buddy. They cheat on their boyfriend when they feel the need for some random dick, and guys who get laid say nothing because they know if they did, the pussy supply would dry up.

The only guys I have consistently seen roll with hot girls outside of a relationship are attractive, trust fund types. Pretty much the top 0.1% of guys.

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(04-21-2014 02:27 AM)Screwston Wrote:  Serious question - how many of these problems are related to smart phones? One has to wonder if it would be anything like this if we were still using flip phones.

This plays a part in it because girls will look into their phone the second a conversation hits an awkward point.

Instead of having to learn how to deal with awkwardness and develop their social skills they turn to their smartphones as their saving grace.

Men also play a part in this. A couple guys I know who are good looking stay at home and play video games rather than constantly be on the hunt. They will go awhile without getting laid, then eventually get a hot girl in their circle and immediately lock her down.
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(04-20-2014 08:04 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I certainly don't think the think-positive-thoughts philosophy expounded by some forum members ("I banged a 19-year-old just the other day, so everything is fine!!!") changes the reality of the situation.

Think positive? Bang 19 year olds?

That's my philosophy!

Let me explain..

I can not change the reality of "the" situation but.. I CAN change the reality of my situation. And, that's all each of us needs to do. Change our personal situation.

Roosh moved to Europe. Literally changing his "situation".

I am positive because I was a "have not" and through hard work, I became a "have". Other guys on this forum have done it also!

When I bang a 19 year old, it gives me hope. Hope that, if I can find a system that works for me, I know other guys can find a system that works for them.

More of us need to take drastic action.

Seriously, "Drastic Action"!!!

That's the only way to change YOUR situation and avoid being a part of "the" situation.

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Lets be honest, we knew Washington D.C. sucked. That's why Roosh left in the first place.

He mentioned "foreign girls and light-skinned black girls".. Selfishly, I was hoping he would focus on them.. If he did, I wonder how his report would have been different..? Who knows?

(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  We may be in the middle of some type of shift.

I absolutely believe that our technology is becoming part of our human "experience". Our little machines are often more rewarding then human interaction.

I think girls don't need men as much any more because they can find attention, entertainment, validation, etc. online.

I think they get sexual stimulation from social media and I would guess that female masturbation is on the rise also.

I wonder if porn is often the new one night stand?
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It's crazy to hear these observations from the guys Stateside. I haven't been back in 16 months and with the state of the union the way it is, I can't imagine returning for any non-emergency reason.

The crazy thing is that you'd never know there's anything wrong with the girls in America if you hadn't spent some time abroad in a poosy paradise. You'd likely think it was normal for girls to act the way they do. I know I did.

I used to approach SO much in San Francisco and Miami Beach, day after day. Day game, night game, meetup game. Anything that would put me in front of a good looking girl. It was so hard and I'm not ugly or uncharismatic. It's good to know I'm not the crazy one. My best successes came from social circle game. And the girls I banged back then, I wouldn't even look at now.

But let's say you ARE in the top 1% of guys in the USA.

How enjoyable really is it to bang girls who seem to do everything in their power to turn you off? It's like everything after "hi" is downhill. She'll never be as attractive as the moment before you came up to her. She'll just prove more and more unappealing to the point where you'll have to fuck her quickly before you lose your appetite.

The minute I hear uptalk, vocal fry, or see one of those fake smiles I swear my dick makes like a frightened turtle.

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finding young girls isn't and end all.
The immaturity of young girls is horrible..I only see it as a short term solution instead of a long term improvement

you're also extremely ignorant of you think 18 19 year old girls aren't already on the carousel.
they have been on cell phones since birth.they're social skills are worse.
the media affects them worse.
But they still want to act older.
college parties are slowly filling up with high school girls that are getting ran though by guys

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Same topic here on the results of this shift. Women are less affectionate(even more than before). We are played like clowns and entertainers. I have it good where I'm at, but even here I'm starting to feel hollow. Every time I sell myself off to one of these "women" I feel like I'm losing a bit of myself as I do not even get the slightest bit of affection(the difference between game and p4p). The love of conquest is there, but late at night I wonder if I'm just a classier version of those other cheap beta/thirsty whores around me.

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(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

A guy I went to university with slept with as many girls as possible, as often as possible. He got most of the top tier poon - he was a good looking dude, former amateur hockey player who knew he wasn't going to make it into the NHL (so he decided to get a business degree) so he was ripped as fuck. Charming as hell. Definitely a 1 percenter. He slept with, on average, two new girls every week and usually had one or two repeats on rotation. But this guy was incredibly rare - most of the guys in the dorms who were getting laid were doing so with girlfriends, 1 on 1. Myself and maybe two to three other guys in my residence pulled smaller numbers each month.

There weren't many guys and girls dating during university; I'd say the numbers were as low as fifty percent from what I saw. That means there were hundreds of girls at the school who were, theoretically, not having any sex. At least, not on a consistent basis The fact that even the butterface, fat bodies could easily pull above their leagues means that a lot of these girls either don't want or need sex. I wonder what the causes of their diminished sex drives are. I mean, these weren't middle aged women - they were 18-21 year old girls. They should be in heat 24/7 at that age.
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One thing I noticed since coming back to America is that 2-way conversations are hard to come by. I miss how people in Japan / Europe will listen to what you have to say and then answer back even if it's slightly boring. If the conversation gets interrupted then they will sometimes try to get back on the subject.

In America, your story has to be told in an interesting or funny way within the first sentence or so it seems like - before the adhd kicks in and they look glance down at their iphone.

I'm more laid back and low energy so I miss the slow conversations I could have while being over in Europe / Japan. I didn't have to be larger than life.
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(04-21-2014 12:41 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I opened a girl with "Is downstairs any good?" because I really wanted to know, and I swear to god she replied, "Is that your pickup line?" I scratched my head on that one for a while.

Welcome back to America my friend. That's happened to me at least a dozen times in the last year. And these weren't even mid-20s carousel-riders; they were 18 year old college freshmen. Is night-game in America dead for the non-rich, non-connected player? Perhaps.

For better or for worse, gaming women in America will be impossible without gigantic muscles, Hollywood looks and impeccable speech in 10 years time. If these girls are already so entitled and angry at men, you know shit's not getting easier. The only hope I have (which is vague and distant) is that the next generation of women will be better behaved.

As of now, the best strategy to get laid is to be the silverback alpha in a social circle and try to get with chicks who hang out with your circle. I know guys in top frats in my school who are struggling to get laid. This definitely wasn't a problem 2 years ago and a lot of blue-pillers are noticing it as well.
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After reading through this thread I find the current situation in the US both slightly comical yet scary at the same time. I've never been to the states but after coming back from Poland to Spain last Christmas, I was very surprised with the attitude problem that we have in my country (which can probably be applied to the rest of Western Europe I guess).

Could another reason for this be how viral and mainstream game has become? Women now know how men are willing to dedicate the bulk of their time to learn how to be succesful with them. I think this may be partially thanks to channels like "Simple Pickup" (and many other similar channels on YT) that have become popular by doing videos in which they get numbers (which probably end in nothing) in humorous ways (i.e acting like a clown, and being male attention whores).

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(04-21-2014 09:54 AM)xpatplayer Wrote:  For better or for worse, gaming women in America will be impossible without gigantic muscles, Hollywood looks and impeccable speech in 10 years time. If these girls are already so entitled and angry at men, you know shit's not getting easier. The only hope I have (which is vague and distant) is that the next generation of women will be better behaved.

Hopefully, there will be an epidemic of old single hags regretting their choices. So in 10 years there may be a counter movement.

Life is sort of like a pendulum - excessive swings one way and back the other until settling.

Just like the housing market where everyone said, "housing never goes down Laugh" - it did.

Usually, I am the guy griping about the nutjobs running around with vaginas. And I am not trying to be optimistic, it just seems logical that the runaway movement in one direction usually has some counterbalance at some point. Even different generations rebel or want to be different that the prior from witnessing what the prior generation did. Gen X and Baby Boomers come to mind.

But in the short term it seems it will suck bad and can only get worse for a while. But as a man you need to believe that want you want is achievable even though there is a ton of evidence against you, or else it would be hard to accomplish anything. Just my 2 cents.

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(04-21-2014 02:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  So girls must be sleeping with less men than before, because I'm not convinced that the top 1% of guys (looks-wise) is satisfying the bulk of these girls. Most good looking guys I know tend to gravitate towards relationships while hardcore players with 100+ notch counts are more average looking.

The manosphere narrative is that girls are getting sluttier and the cock carousel is a huge problem, but like mentioned earlier, it's possible girls are being satisfied with attention from social networking and actually sleeping with fewer men. We may be in the middle of some type of shift.



In metropolitan areas in the US, I get the sense that the market for actual sexual hunting now takes place predominantly on Tinder, OK Cupid, and other speed dating or hookup sites. The past few years have brought big, big changes.

I would never have believed it until actually seeing it in action and talking to a couple other guys in their late 20s.

The is is major paradigm shift. We need to adjust ourselves to this reality. You've got basically less than one second to make a good first impression, and it's all going to be based on your photo. And even then, it's a numbers game.

Your online profile better be tight, and your text game better be smooth, and you better have a lot of leads. But some guys are crushing it on Tinder.

Not me, but another guy I know.

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