Post: #1

i was just browsing the web and came across this.



as you can see he is holding her purse for her...
eva longoria is dating penelope cruz' younger brother... beta or alpha?

Post: #2

I gave two girls a ride home last night. Granted, I was just trying to get into their place and I'm seeing one of them again but I'd probably consider it beta.

So, when you have ulterior motives or you're trying to maintain comfort with an LTR. Small doses. Disguising yourself as a supplicant beta occasionally throws some women off and works well on "nice girls." Then again, it's all just whatever feels right at the time. There's no rule of thumb.

Post: #3

It's ok to be nice at times. If you feel pressured into doing something, it is beta, but if you really don't mind doing something for someone, it is not. Having all these "rules" is exhausting. Being a dick is not being alpha.
If a girl goes "can you hold this for a second while I do x please?" then I'll hold it until she's done tying her shoe or pulling up her bra etc. then give it back to her.
If a girl goes "hold this" then I probably won't.
Same goes for my buddies.
Much better to set boundaries than have rules.

Post: #4

At formal occasions (balls/dinners/cocktail parties) it's generally better to just behave with accepted courtesy openly, but nothing is preventing you to whisper somethign completely different in the ear of any attractive talent.

Post: #5

It's justified to be beta at work.I'm in the middle of a 6 month stint at a restaurant and I need to make as much money as possible, so I've been covering for people until recently when I realized that I only have to be there for a month longer. I figure being beta there will get me great shifts and I won't have to worry about the ramifications of fucking with co-workers.

Post: #6

Its worth noting what Roosh pointed out in the C&C spoof. Beta behaviour is a means to the same end as being alpha. The beta nice guys do it to get into a girls pants, rarely are they just nice for the sake of nice.

Beta actions with alpha mindset and especially alpha communication can work pretty well. She asks you to drive her home, as in Gmacs case, or hold her purse, do it, but tease and give her shit for it. You engage in the beta activity, but maintain the frame and composure of an alpha.

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Post: #7

(07-03-2011 11:13 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  If a girl goes "can you hold this for a second while I do x please?" then I'll hold it until she's done tying her shoe or pulling up her bra etc. then give it back to her.

I second that notion ^^^^

The only problem I have with THAT picture is... She doesn't seem to be doing anything special that would warrant me to "help her out" by holding her freaking purse while walking down the street. Unless he is holding the damn thing because it started to hurt her arm... and that STILL would be unacceptable in my opinion.

Post: #8

Dude looks like a mangina in that pic

She seems to have her right arm free as far as I can tell

Then again, maybe its his bag

Post: #9

When your girlfriend finds out you cheated on her with another girl, especially if the other girl is cuter or younger.

Cheating is going to elicit a barrage of shit tests. Think about it. If she assumed you wouldn't cheat, then by cheating you're sending the signal that you are a more desirable mate than she originally estimated. She's not sure how much better you are than she initially thought, so she's going to test. You MUST pass these tests if you want to keep your LTR.

However, after the testing, she is going to feel very insecure. I don't believe there is any other situation where you can be as beta and make it LESS likely that your girlfriend will dump you. You can surprise her with flowers, show excessive PDA, etc. and she will be HAPPIER in the relationship.

Summary:
After you cheat, you need to be alpha and pass her HUGE shit tests, but then you need to be a little beta to make her feel secure in the relationship.

Post: #10

My brother's girlfriend just had his baby, and I held her purse for her the other day, does that make me beta? I don't consider it beta when I legitimately like the person, or don't mind doing something to help them. Especially, in a platonic/family situation like this.

Being beta is completely different, that's when people are walking all over you (not just women) and you're carrying the purse around every time you go out.

Post: #11

just a pic doesn't anyone conclude a beta...there are many personality traits.

Post: #12

I feel like the terms alpha/beta are WAY overused. When I started learning game, I way too focused on being alpha but just came off as kind of an asshole. Being a gentleman and doing nice things for people doesn't make you a beta pussy. I was raised with good manners and try to help out other people when I can. What girl is turned off by a guy who helps an old lady cross the street or holds the door for someone?

Getting taken advantage of by everyone makes you a beta. Obviously carrying a girls purse when her hands are free is extremely lame.

Post: #13

(07-04-2011 11:31 AM)wi30 Wrote:  I feel like the terms alpha/beta are WAY overused. When I started learning game, I way too focused on being alpha but just came off as kind of an asshole. Being a gentleman and doing nice things for people doesn't make you a beta pussy. I was raised with good manners and try to help out other people when I can. What girl is turned off by a guy who helps an old lady cross the street or holds the door for someone?

Getting taken advantage of by everyone makes you a beta. Obviously carrying a girls purse when her hands are free is extremely lame.

What if you feel like carrying her purse? Isn't alpha doing what you want under your terms?

For instance, isn't carrying her purse the same as buying her a drink?

I agree with the poster who said don't have rules, just set boundaries.

Post: #14

(07-03-2011 02:12 PM)Mr. Butterworth Wrote:  The only problem I have with THAT picture is... She doesn't seem to be doing anything special that would warrant me to "help her out" by holding her freaking purse while walking down the street.

Sure she's doing something. It's called "posing for the photographer and getting her picture in the magazines." Who the hell walks around casually showing the cover of a book you're reading to everyone else like that? No one, that's who. It's completely staged. If she were really reading "The Hunger Games" she'd carry it with the front cover towards her, because non-retarded people don't read books backwards from the back to the front. You're seeing product placement in action here --her sun glasses, her dress, her shoes, and her bag, everything was picked out for her by someone else, as well as knowing to get her hair and makeup done that morning. The goal is to look impromptu and not studio posed. And flash as many products as possible. You can be sure her promotion of this (already best selling) book is part of some deal.

Because she's only got two arms, she'll do some shots showing off the bag, others the book, and others showing off other props in her hands while trying to look graceful and photogenic. And yes, at her level she and her staff are making real money from this.

With models, actresses and to a much lesser degree artists, bookwriters, politicians, socialites and event chairs, you will get stuck being propmaster when the publicity cameras come around. If you're inexperienced, you'll dress like a dork like this guy. Notice the space left between them so they can crop him out of the picture. That's intentional and how it ran for most publications: with him cropped out. But the UK Daily Mail didn't bother and ran the full shot uncropped. Because they're lazy like that.

This guy's making a lot of newbie mistakes here: Here's between the camera and the model rather than being behind her; he's directly looking at the camera in what's supposed to be an impromptu street shot; he's dressed like a stage roadie rather than a companion; I could go on.

When you're going to go out to a situation where you will have to hold her purse (ie shopping), leave the house with a nice upscale boutique sales bag with handles that's completely empty. If you feel like a dork walking around with an empty bag put a newspaper in there you don't mind throwing away later. If she asks you what's in there, say a sandwich. When she asks you to hold her purse, put it in the sales bag. You ate the sandwich. You'll look much cooler as the guy hauling around an upscale shopping score than the guy holding her purse.

Only bother with this crap if you expect to take outside shots like when promoting a friend's restaurant, store, concert or theater opening. Some people believe having a woman's purse in these shots makes people think too much of the money they're parting with, dampening sales. If you're just shopping, it's easier to just place her purse on any counter and then making it clear you're the gorilla defending that territory until she returns.

You should have a small stash of upscale boutique bags to reuse for when you're going to end up carrying her crap and there's going to be photographers around at an event. (Even if the bags are hand-me-downs from a friend) I rotate a few, but my favorite is from shopping at The Hound in SF. It's so ridiculously overbuilt, refrigerators come in flimsier cardboard. Plus it clearly says "Gentleman's Clothiers" under the name, so it's clear who owns the bag: Me.

Even if I do stuff^h^h^h^h^h gently place a woman's purse into it.

Post: #15

(07-05-2011 12:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 11:31 AM)wi30 Wrote:  I feel like the terms alpha/beta are WAY overused. When I started learning game, I way too focused on being alpha but just came off as kind of an asshole. Being a gentleman and doing nice things for people doesn't make you a beta pussy. I was raised with good manners and try to help out other people when I can. What girl is turned off by a guy who helps an old lady cross the street or holds the door for someone?

Getting taken advantage of by everyone makes you a beta. Obviously carrying a girls purse when her hands are free is extremely lame.

What if you feel like carrying her purse? Isn't alpha doing what you want under your terms?

For instance, isn't carrying her purse the same as buying her a drink?

I agree with the poster who said don't have rules, just set boundaries.

You're spot on about being alpha, but I disagree with you on comparing a purse to buying a drink. If anything, I would compare it to holding a girl's drink that's pink and has a little umbrella in it.

In my opinion, a girl shouldn't bring a purse unless she can hold on to it.

Post: #16

NEVER ! lol

but as guys we lie....i think its justified if you are in a relationship..like if im trying to bang a random chick..im not gonna be holdin her purse..thats bananas

Post: #17

This is the purse holding thread. Funny !

I wouldnt care if its beta or alpha behaviour, if i'm banging the girl you can cut her some slack and hold her purse if she doesnt have her hands free. ( what is cutting some slack anyway, any english teachers on here ?) Just don´t make it a regular thing to hold things or do things for her.
I think over the top alpha behaviour is not working. Its more important to be the funny, confident MAN.

Post: #18

(07-03-2011 09:50 AM)Geronimo Wrote:  i was just browsing the web and came across this.

as you can see he is holding her purse for her...
eva longoria is dating penelope cruz' younger brother... beta or alpha?

This is 1000% normal in Shanghai, All Shanghaiese men are expected to carry their girls handbags all the time....kinda messed up.

Post: #19

(07-05-2011 05:01 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(07-03-2011 02:12 PM)Mr. Butterworth Wrote:  The only problem I have with THAT picture is... She doesn't seem to be doing anything special that would warrant me to "help her out" by holding her freaking purse while walking down the street.

Sure she's doing something. It's called "posing for the photographer and getting her picture in the magazines." Who the hell walks around casually showing the cover of a book you're reading to everyone else like that? No one, that's who. It's completely staged. If she were really reading "The Hunger Games" she'd carry it with the front cover towards her, because non-retarded people don't read books backwards from the back to the front. You're seeing product placement in action here --her sun glasses, her dress, her shoes, and her bag, everything was picked out for her by someone else, as well as knowing to get her hair and makeup done that morning. The goal is to look impromptu and not studio posed. And flash as many products as possible. You can be sure her promotion of this (already best selling) book is part of some deal.

Because she's only got two arms, she'll do some shots showing off the bag, others the book, and others showing off other props in her hands while trying to look graceful and photogenic. And yes, at her level she and her staff are making real money from this.

With models, actresses and to a much lesser degree artists, bookwriters, politicians, socialites and event chairs, you will get stuck being propmaster when the publicity cameras come around. If you're inexperienced, you'll dress like a dork like this guy. Notice the space left between them so they can crop him out of the picture. That's intentional and how it ran for most publications: with him cropped out. But the UK Daily Mail didn't bother and ran the full shot uncropped. Because they're lazy like that.

This guy's making a lot of newbie mistakes here: Here's between the camera and the model rather than being behind her; he's directly looking at the camera in what's supposed to be an impromptu street shot; he's dressed like a stage roadie rather than a companion; I could go on.

When you're going to go out to a situation where you will have to hold her purse (ie shopping), leave the house with a nice upscale boutique sales bag with handles that's completely empty. If you feel like a dork walking around with an empty bag put a newspaper in there you don't mind throwing away later. If she asks you what's in there, say a sandwich. When she asks you to hold her purse, put it in the sales bag. You ate the sandwich. You'll look much cooler as the guy hauling around an upscale shopping score than the guy holding her purse.

Only bother with this crap if you expect to take outside shots like when promoting a friend's restaurant, store, concert or theater opening. Some people believe having a woman's purse in these shots makes people think too much of the money they're parting with, dampening sales. If you're just shopping, it's easier to just place her purse on any counter and then making it clear you're the gorilla defending that territory until she returns.

You should have a small stash of upscale boutique bags to reuse for when you're going to end up carrying her crap and there's going to be photographers around at an event. (Even if the bags are hand-me-downs from a friend) I rotate a few, but my favorite is from shopping at The Hound in SF. It's so ridiculously overbuilt, refrigerators come in flimsier cardboard. Plus it clearly says "Gentleman's Clothiers" under the name, so it's clear who owns the bag: Me.

Even if I do stuff^h^h^h^h^h gently place a woman's purse into it.

Blackhawk, +1 for that breakdown. Good post.

Post: #20

(12-08-2011 05:44 AM)kanevast Wrote:  

(07-03-2011 09:50 AM)Geronimo Wrote:  i was just browsing the web and came across this.

as you can see he is holding her purse for her...
eva longoria is dating penelope cruz' younger brother... beta or alpha?

This is 1000% normal in Shanghai, All Shanghaiese men are expected to carry their girls handbags all the time....kinda messed up.

China in general, really