Has less than 3k people.
Does the whole town have quality like this?
Is backcountry/Rural Scotland/England like this?
Are we overlooking towns full of top notch poon because we see british girls with bad teeth falling around drunk in manchester?
Has less than 3k people.
Does the whole town have quality like this?
Is backcountry/Rural Scotland/England like this?
Are we overlooking towns full of top notch poon because we see british girls with bad teeth falling around drunk in manchester?
Scotland has some hotties. Consistently the hot British Isles broads whom would roll through the hostel I worked at were from Scotland. All were crazy as fuck and fun too. Couldn't understand half the shit they said though. They always like to dress up and get 'dolled' up to go out. The Scottish and German broads were always DTF!
Not sure why the rest of the Isles differs so much. British broads are hit and miss with the majority being frumpy, and Irish broads are either hot as hell or look like wet dogs.
04-03-2014 12:48 AM
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(04-02-2014 06:54 PM)MikeCF Wrote: Indirect is for pussies or lower value men.
I use indirect, and I teach indirect, and many guys here use indirect. So we're all pussies?
Maybe you posted that in a rush, but you didn't leave much room for an alternative interpretation.
Me overgeneralize and post something hastily and half-cocked?
Nah, man, I don't hate on indirect as much as I like to throw out a different position to offer a different perspective.
Often that means going too direct and overstating the case.
Then a middle ground is reached.
Indirect is often used as ego protection and it doesn't build the kind of momentum going direct does.
Leads to a lot of wasted time, working on leads that go nowhere.
I even remember in your writings where you mention talking to a girl for a really long time before finding out she has a boyfriend.
When you go direct, you don't run into time wasters and tire kickers.
It's brutal because rejection comes often and frequently, and a lot of people avoid going direct because they are being afraid of going direct and risking getting blown out.
Of course like everything else, there's no universal rule.
But there is a lot of truth to it. Going direct does get the ego's ass kicked in a way that going indirect doesn't.
04-03-2014 01:04 AM
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(04-02-2014 06:54 PM)MikeCF Wrote: Indirect is for pussies or lower value men.
I use indirect, and I teach indirect, and many guys here use indirect. So we're all pussies?
Maybe you posted that in a rush, but you didn't leave much room for an alternative interpretation.
Me overgeneralize and post something hastily and half-cocked?
Nah, man, I don't hate on indirect as much as I like to throw out a different position to offer a different perspective.
Often that means going too direct and overstating the case.
Then a middle ground is reached.
Indirect is often used as ego protection and it doesn't build the kind of momentum going direct does.
Leads to a lot of wasted time, working on leads that go nowhere.
I even remember in your writings where you mention talking to a girl for a really long time before finding out she has a boyfriend.
When you go direct, you don't run into time wasters and tire kickers.
It's brutal because rejection comes often and frequently, and a lot of people avoid going direct because they are being afraid of going direct and risking getting blown out.
Of course like everything else, there's no universal rule.
But there is a lot of truth to it. Going direct does get the ego's ass kicked in a way that going indirect doesn't.
Maybe there is an absolute truth but it depends on the region of the world you're running your game in? Roosh lives in Poland and Ukraine, I don't think the local girls would appreciate direct day game from a foreigner as much as Toronto girls do on those PUA videos.
^ Beats me. You'll never see me talk about gaming girls out side of the US, as I don't do that.
To me "going direct" means she knows why you are talking to her. You aren't trying to be get friend.
Going indirect means the situation is ambiguous.
In the text we're talking about, Franco goes direct. He doesn't want to be her friend or tour guide.
A lot of guys go indirect to get a sense if she is interested in them. It's a way to avoid rejection.
Again, of course I overstate things.
But generally you need to be more of a hard ass with a DGAF attitude to go direct.
And it is brutal to get rejected, get a drink thrown at you, etc.
But it saves a lot of time. When I went indirect way back, I would waste so much time with a girl only to find out she was the designated driver, was with her boyfriend, etc.
When you go direct, you know what's up within minutes.
McQueen and I debated this and sort of reached a consensus that indirect is better for new guys and direct is better for advanced guys.
Franco was probably texting with a dozen different girls at the same time as our bonnie lass over here.
So she thought he was being a little too forward and passed. Oh well, he fucked SOMEbody that night, I promise you.
Of course, it helps.... but you don't have to be a celebrity to get away with being brazen.
If you just have a large volume of phone numbers in your phone and you mass text once or twice a week, some segment of the marketplace will respond.
Many's the time when I texted a girl for a good month straight (as part of a mass text) with no response, and then one night she darts straight over to my place.
Women are so cyclical in their DTF status. The young Scotswoman must have been in a more cautious phase of the cycle, otherwise she would have met with Franco despite any "dodginess".
A few days later when her hormones started telling her to fuck a genetically fit male, she had to have been kicking herself like she'd never done before. She'll find a way to rationalize missing the opportunity to mate with a high status male but deep inside, she'll never forgive herself for this. Nature's cruel that way.
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My guess is that she will 'frame' it to her friends that she rejected him, when in actual fact she will be furiously masturbating every night to his movies for the next month thinking of the missed opportunity.
(04-03-2014 05:08 AM)Teedub Wrote: I think this is a publicity stunt for his new movie, but maybe I'm being overly cynical.
That said, if you think this is direct you should read Mike Tyson's book. Literally just "Wanna fuck?" to top models and stuff haha.
I think it's a publicity stunt and I agree with those who think there's nothing wrong with what he did if it's real. He was conducting a transaction using his fame as Tut says
With his fame game....why bother texting? Unless if it is a vs model or female celebrity. Just walk in a nightclub with hotties and your fame will do the work.
04-03-2014 08:17 AM
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Personally I don't know any guy who uses indirect in this way. Even if I do go indirect and don't get the bang, I never think "Oh, well, she didn't reject me." Rejection is rejection, regardless of the method you use.
I use indirect because my results are higher (though slightly). I teach it because it's a strategic option, not a way to protect feelings. Like I mentioned recently (http://www.rooshv.com/4-reasons-why-i-do...t-day-game ), a man should try both methods and figure out which works for him both, but insulting men who use one school over another is not useful in helping those who are trying to improve their game.
The way I see it is that there is no such thing as building attraction over a long period of time. Two people know from the moment they lay eyes on each other if they are attracted. It's already written.
This is why you never need to qualify yourself to a girl.
The rest is just showing them that you have social intelligence so that they can feel comfortable enough around you to fuck. You will never build attraction over time, that's how guys get friendzoned. They wait too long. Even if the girl is attracted, after a while, she's going to start getting in her head if nothing's happened.
And girls know this deep inside. The guy who pretends that he's being won over by the girls personality will come off as a creepy. Despite what every man-hater says about how sex works, in a girl's heart of hearts, she knows that there is nothing about her personality that will make a man of value attracted to her. If anything, her personality can only get in the way if it's flawed.
Showing disinterest is a way of showing them that you are living abundance and that you don't need them. This isn't to increase attraction, but to maintain the existing attraction.
To me, being direct just means to recognize the truth of how the above works while being emotionally present. In this sense, indirect means trying to build something that isn't there or denying the attraction that exists.
Building attraction happens before the game. That's when you get in shape and become cool, famous, rich, or etc. That's all the lifestyle stuff. You make yourself appear as cool as possible before you even meet the girl.
Just Being/looking cool is going direct. Looking like a guy who has pick of the women. You are already getting her pussy wet. In many ways, by being cool, you are all ready fucking her without even having stuck your dick in. If that's not direct, then I don't know what is.
The game just becomes watering the plant. You can't really force a plant to grow, you can just be there to support it and give it what it needs.
Not being cool and expecting to get pussy is the most indirect route to Poosy paradise.
Once you start being cool, you start to think that everygirl is attracted to you, and when a girl rejects you, you give her shit about it because she's clearly lying.. not because you are butt hurt about the "rejection", but because she's obviously being dishonest.
There's only so much putting on airs/game/token resistance that I can tolerate from a girl before I realize that she's not a viable target. A little while back, I'd put up with a lot more, but just don't have the patience anymore because there's all these things I could be going or other girls I could be spending time with than letting a girl try to prolong the bang.
Timing is crucial. The longer you let her prolong, the more control you are giving her. It's like badly training a dog. Eventually the dog will not see you as the alpha, and will walk all over you.
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