Post: #1

I recently had a chat with a female friend who I've known for years and the conversation steered toward dating. I held back a good amount, but this girl actually thought:

- Real girl don't play games. (Nope, they all do, especially the hot ones, because they can get away with almost anything and enjoy the validation).

- A guy who goes after younger girls is "immature"...which is nonsense that comes from a girl in her late 20s who is insecure about the stiff competition

and my personal favorite:

- Guys who don't want to settle down are just "going through a phase." Yeah, try selling that one to Clooney or Bond.

Also, if you talk about "girls" in any way, shape or form, the girl you're talking to will take it personally.

Looking back on the chat, in which we definitely got into a tiff, I see it was a big waste of time....which brings to my second realization of the past week:

2) Don't talk about game to guys who don't have it.

They too will think you're pretty "ridiculous" for playing games, (i.e. not texting back immediately) or will accuse you of just going after, young stupid "club" girls. The reality is that tons of chicks go to clubs of a variety ages and professions. It's a myth that girls at lounges/clubs are any more or less intelligence/sophisticated than girls who don't go out to such places. Who doesn't like to drink, dance and hit on the opposite sex on the weekend?

Instead with these guys, shut up and just lead by example. Allude to your (growing) success women and hint that if they want any help, you'll be there.

As they say, when the student is ready the master will appear. I know this to be true personally.

You may return to your regularly scheduled life full of health, wealth and success...just don't waste it talking about game to girls and betas.

Post: #2

Some guys cling to those "excuses" to rationalize their fear of stepping to girls

Those young, stupid 'club" girls are the same ones they fantasize about, whack off to and pedastalize

Time wasted...

Post: #3

Waste of time & energy = Trying to explain anything to haters

Post: #4

(03-19-2014 01:24 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Those young, stupid 'club" girls are the same ones they fantasize about, whack off to and pedastalize

Exactly. This got me thinking if there was a post somewhere on the forum that logically deconstructs the myth that girls who go to clubs are vapid, stupid creatures with looks, attitude and that's it.

There is a bit of truth for sure, but you'll find those girls at any place, even high-end lounges with $18 vodka tonics.

Post: #5

Topic is full of truth, I've had personal experience with all of the above

Quote: Also, if you talk about "girls" in any way, shape or form, the girl you're talking to will take it personally.

I had a 'best' female friend who I discussed about a girl I was seeing, she cut off all contact after hearing how I treat the girl.

Post: #6

(03-19-2014 08:52 PM)devilution Wrote:  I had a 'best' female friend who I discussed about a girl I was seeing, she cut off all contact after hearing how I treat the girl.

Yeah, it's just better to keep your mouth shut, say "It's hard to find the right the girl." Maintain the friendship, game her friends. lather, rinse, repeat

Post: #7

My mate was sat at the same table when I did a perfect set once, the girl asked for my number and I shagged her the next day. After the set he said something like "that was extremely awkward and embarrassing", as if it had gone very badly.

He misunderstood that charged intense atmosphere of a great set as something negative. I realised then that some blokes will just never get it.

Post: #8

Talking about game and gaming the girls at work with the guys there got me only one thing - their uninterrupted cockblocking.

edit - seems like because they don't have a chance they think its funny to get in my way. I tried to tell them we're on the same team but it doesn't get thru.

Post: #9

(03-23-2014 04:27 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  Talking about game and gaming the girls at work with the guys there got me only one thing - their uninterrupted cockblocking.

edit - seems like because they don't have a chance they think its funny to get in my way. I tried to tell them we're on the same team but it doesn't get thru.

Stop gaming at work, cut off all contact with cockblockers and don't acknowledge anything they say - as far as you're concerned, they're just talking mannequins.
If they continue on talking, look at them slowly in the eyes with a deadpan face until they shit themselves from fear and leave your workplace - don't say anything, just stare at them.
Constantly change parts of your work routine so they can't peg you down.
Eventually they won't know what to do as they'll just waste time and look stupid trying to talk to you, and since you won't say or do anything they can use against you I can guarantee that they won't ever think of pulling any shit on you.

Tl;dr: leave all losers in the dust (no exceptions) and focus only on yourself. Your inner game will improve massively.

Post: #10

She was trying to program you and turn you into a thirsty beta schlub.
The promise of pussy is a powerful motivator

Post: #11

(03-24-2014 07:43 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  She was trying to program you and turn you into a thirsty beta schlub.
The promise of pussy is a powerful motivator

This. Don't argue, you are wasting your time. Just like we always go for the easy lay, they always try to find an easy way to get your attention without putting out.

Post: #12

I like trolling women with game tenets that I'm on a first date with, when I know that I don't want to see them beyond the first date, or even go for the SNL.

I was on a date with a Psychologist last week, who happened to be into relationship counselling. I gave her some good nuggets of wisdom to ponder that's for sure, hehe.

Post: #13

I don't bother with game advice for guys unless they explicity ask for help. The only tidbit I tell guys off the bat is this, "Treat a girl the same way you treat your guys friends. You know how you tease and call out your friends? Do this with girls within reason." Simple easy way to get someone off of the habit of pedestolization.

As for girls, I've never faced any sort of problem when telling them my opnions about why most women are single. I'll preface it with, "What do men get out of marriage?"

Women are a bit short sighted and over value themselves heavily in this manner. Mentioning frivorce and a lack of opportunities for men to better themselves financially because lets face it no woman wants a husband who makes less than her (fact) is a good one. What's in it for me when if amass a large fortune just to have half of it taken away and then have to pay out child support or worse alimony?

The kicker is to go in and blame it all on feminism and pointidly ask them if they'd be happy working 40 hours a week, having a kid, all while doing it themselves. Does that sound like a happy life?

The look of horror is fantastic.

Post: #14

Well done Frenchie

Post: #15

Waste of time, energy and might even get the betas fearful and cockblocking you. The best hunter don't reveal himself needlessly.

Fear the dangerous guy who plays dumb, not the dumb guy who plays dangerous. When you discuss game with anyone except your alpha bros you appear the latter.

Also, if you used to be an over-analytical beta guy who still hasn't got his inner game rock-solid (it takes at least a couple of years), stay away from this. Sometimes you might be persuaded by the other beta guys that something is wrong with your game, while in fact you are close to a new discovery.

Post: #16

Talking to girls about game is like asking a magician to explain how he does his magic tricks. He has no incentive to tell you the truth and every incentive to keep you uninformed or misinformed.

Post: #17

My 2 best friends are pretty blue pill but I'm slowly weaning them on this shit. Last week one went on a date and asked me what I should do and I basically told him what frenchie said: just be your usual asshole self and don't be afraid to call them out/tease them like you do to me. You can't go over the top with these topics and try to teach them shit straight up, just tell them a few success stories of your own and make a few comments to pique their interest. If they're smart guys they will ask for some advice eventually.

As far as talking to girls about game, that's a weak point for me. I like to ramble a lot when I see a girl I like and if they're asking me questions sometimes a little red pill knowledge can slip out. Last week I had a group of girls I was talking to. They asked me why I wasn't buying their friend a drink and I told them that I don't buy girls drinks. That's not bad by itself, but then I went on to explain that I know how girls will sucker guys in for free drinks. They got obviously pissed that I figured them out and stopped talking to me. In hindsight I should have kept it more playful instead of giving them a rational explanation. Didn't let it bother me though. I still made sure to tell them "bye ladies" in the cockiest way possible when I left the bar a few mins later.

Post: #18

(03-31-2014 10:08 PM)tawillionaire Wrote:  . Last week I had a group of girls I was talking to. They asked me why I wasn't buying their friend a drink and I told them that I don't buy girls drinks. That's not bad by itself, but then I went on to explain that I know how girls will sucker guys in for free drinks. They got obviously pissed that I figured them out and stopped talking to me.

I know the feeling! You just want to share your newfound wisdom with everyone because it feels so fucking good to see the truth.

But...then we see negative reactions...and realize what we say doesn't really advance our own cause...so we hold it in...for the rooshvforum lol

Post: #19

(03-23-2014 04:27 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  Talking about game and gaming the girls at work with the guys there got me only one thing - their uninterrupted cockblocking.

edit - seems like because they don't have a chance they think its funny to get in my way. I tried to tell them we're on the same team but it doesn't get thru.

NEVER game girls at work. Period. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Seriously, stop it.

Post: #20

(04-02-2014 10:41 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  NEVER game girls at work. Period. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Seriously, stop it.

I don't care about getting fired. Are there any other reasons I should stop?

Post: #21

(03-29-2014 09:48 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Talking to girls about game is like asking a magician to explain how he does his magic tricks. He has no incentive to tell you the truth and every incentive to keep you uninformed or misinformed.

On the contrary: the player is the magician, and when he explains how the tricks are done then the magic is lost.

Post: #22

(04-08-2014 01:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 09:48 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Talking to girls about game is like asking a magician to explain how he does his magic tricks. He has no incentive to tell you the truth and every incentive to keep you uninformed or misinformed.

On the contrary: the player is the magician, and when he explains how the tricks are done then the magic is lost.

Completely agree.

That said, I've successfully ran this type of game once: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/11/0...educe-her/ . It should be viewed as an outlier, though.

Post: #23

Agreed. Actually, for the most part, any discussion of game is usually a waste of time. 99% of anything you read or study about game is useless or not applicable to your current situation directly or you won't remember it.

Post: #24

Quote:Looking back on the chat, in which we definitely got into a tiff, I see it was a big waste of time.

I certainly hope that you weren't trying to bang this chick.
And that goes for all of you who try to reveal red-pill shit to the mainstream.. instant shutdown/filter
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Post: #25

I remember reading somewhere (possibly Heartiste) that women are not looking for the answers, not looking for the solution. Or perhaps they are, but they don't want it from you, the man.
What they want instead, and what they will respond way better to, is to share similar experiences, and in so doing, you can plant a few red pill ideas in there, so you're just alluding to them, never explicitly stating them outright as this is the ultimate turn-off for women.
They can't stand to hear the truth, frustrating as that might be for us.
Instead, something like: "Yeh, I had something like that happen to me too, I remember this time when <insert similar story to hers, which conveniently alludes to a few of your alpha traits but with a sprinkling of beta provider/nice guy thrown in too>
This story can be real or bs, doesn't really matters, what matters is that you empathise with her experience, she'll see you in a much more positive light, ie. 'this guy totally gets me' *tingle*