Post: #1

Hi
I know its poor form to ask advice about any one girl as it was either Roosh or another blogger who said the moment you ask for advice about one particular girl, it means you are fucked because you care and have invested too much.
This is more about a general situation; I found this post here:
"Act As If Every Girl Is A Slut"
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There is also the general attitude of always have multiple girls on the go at once and treat them identically.

I've recently met a couple of girls who aren't the typical attention whore talked about on RoK; these girls seem down to earth, seem pretty sweet and feminine. They are from the anglosphere and aren't religious. They haven't even once checked their phone on our dates and reply to texts reasonably quickly.

I'd bet I'm the most inexperienced guy here (never had sex, a girlfriend, you name it) and ever since reading about game, I have been experimenting with being dominant - I told one to come over and to wear a dress and heels (and she did!). It really is eye opening how a girl will respond me when I make demands like that - when I tell my chick friends (yea, sorry), they tell me they can't believe I'm getting away with this - neither can I.

Another example, when we were at a bar having drinks, when I went to the bathroom, when I came back, she was just sitting there waiting for me, looking in the direction of the TV. Most girls these days would be insecurely checking their phone to make themselves appear to be needed somewhere else or updating their facebook status about what an awesome time she is having. This shows me she's pretty comfortable in her own skin.

So my question is, should I treat these down to earth girls like I would with any club slut? Or should I tone it down a bit? I'm prone to one-itis and this is probably a case of "no but this girl is different" etc. I haven't met many 'nice' girls and until I meet one who turns out to be just as bad as the typical attention whore, I think I will continue to suffer from 'this girl will be different!'

TL;DR: should heartiste style hard alpha game be used on every girl (eg text 8====D) because all western anglosphere girls are sluts or should it be adjusted because 'no this girl is different!'?

Post: #2

At this point, I would just suggest using texting for logistics. It doesn't surprise me at all that women you ask out like to wear dresses and heels. A lot of women like to wear heels because they feel attractive. What woman doesn't want to be attractive?

I'll assume you are relatively young. So presumably the women you date are young and less jaded. even if they are not full on sluts at this point in their lives, they will likely ride the for all it is worth soon enough.

My advice? Go on dates. Have fun. Keep escalating. Get laid. Don't pedastalize any of girls. Treat them well, and by that I mean fuck them well, and you will be gold. I assume you have read up on sex? Do so if you haven't so that you know how to fuck like a rockstar when the time comes. Hopefully this answers your question.

Post: #3

Treating every girl the same (in the case of Westernized girls, like shit) is probably a good strategy if you're starting out because it helps you avoid pedestalization. It's absolutely true that different girls respond to different things though, and you can definitely scare some girls off by going too "hard alpha" even if doing so is the optimum strategy if you're adopting a one-size-fits-all approach.

At this point, I would err more on the side of avoiding making exceptions in how you treat girls because your asking this question shows that you probably don't have a great deal of confidence in your instincts. As you gain more experience, you'll develop the ability to get an intuitive feel for the kind of game a girl is likely to respond best to based on having encountered many similar situations before, and as this happens you can gradually become more flexible. Until then, being a dick is statistically a pretty good bet.

Post: #4

You don't need to treat all girls as sluts. You should calibrate your behaviour based on each girl and how she behaves. Reward good behaviour, punish bad behaviour. Remember, you don't change your approach completely, you just calibrate it.

Post: #5

There's two ways you should talk to women:

1. Talk to them like you would talk to your guy friends. Be crude. Be vulgar. Don't censor yourself.

2. Talk to them like a bratty little sister. "Knock it off you're being annoying".

In these examples you're treating as an equal or talking down to them. Tailor it to the girl. Some can't handle being talked to like a man. You'll know it right away. But never talk up to them like they're special. Because they're not.

Thank me later when they're riding your dick.

Post: #6

Why do you hate success so much?

Why do you want to stop doing what is working and go back to something that wasn't working for you?

Why?

WIA

Post: #7

(03-31-2014 04:23 PM)boywonder34 Wrote:  So my question is, should I treat these down to earth girls like I would with any club slut? Or should I tone it down a bit?

Depends on what you mean by "toning it down."

The main point in tips such as "Act as if every girl is a slut" is that you should always escalate and push toward sex early on in the dating process, rather than waiting because "she is a good girl." In other words, you assume that she may be willing to fuck on the first or second date, because there is no downside to this attitude. If you push for sex you may get it, and if you are rebuffed, you simply try again next time.

So, don't tone down your kino or escalation. Remember poon commandment XIII: "Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little."

Post: #8

Alluding to what WIA said, i think you are asking yourself the wrong questions.

If you treat these girls like club sluts, i have a feeling they'll see right through your inauthenticity (you obviously don't see them as club sluts) and will be rightfully repulsed by it.
It's all about pushing the boundaries and finding out what you can and can't get away with. Everyone here advocates erring on the side of aggression. You're exploring the feminine world as well as your world. Experiment with it, find out what works for you. If you find something that works, ask yourself why. If you find something that doesn't, ask yourself why not and change it.
If you're a newcomer to RPT, you'll realise that you've been fed things your whole life. What to say, what to do, how to act. Don't drop one set of beliefs just to pick up another. Figure shit out for yourself. That's success.


As WIA said, why do you hate success?

Post: #9

(03-31-2014 07:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  You don't need to treat all girls as sluts. You should calibrate your behaviour based on each girl and how she behaves. Reward good behaviour, punish bad behaviour. Remember, you don't change your approach completely, you just calibrate it.

This. Your masculine core should be the same for all of them, but you can't treat a nice girl like you would treat a spoiled club slut. It will be hard at first but then you learn to pick up signs, hints and other stuff that will help you read them better.

Post: #10

(03-31-2014 07:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  You don't need to treat all girls as sluts. You should calibrate your behaviour based on each girl and how she behaves. Reward good behaviour, punish bad behaviour. Remember, you don't change your approach completely, you just calibrate it.

This is great advice but at the OP's current stage I wouldn't suggest it. Calibration is possibly only when you have enough experience and the RIGHT ATTITUDE with girls. For recovering betas (myself included) sometimes we still care too much, thinking "oh this girl is an exception". BOOM. You just blew your dick off to betazone.

I think when we still haven't finished the 100 approaches Roosh recommend, it's very important to stick to asshole game and follow Parlay's advice:

Quote:1. Talk to them like you would talk to your guy friends. Be crude. Be vulgar. Don't censor yourself.

2. Talk to them like a bratty little sister. "Knock it off you're being annoying".

I personally prefer the 2nd way. But it's important you DO NOT revert back to being a "nice human being" with the girl.

It can suck big time and might make you feel like you are a dick just bc you haven't get used to being alpha yet. But I try sticking to this despite my scumbag beta brain raging against it. For me this does two things:

1. You realize you can change your attitude with girls. This is the building block of inner game

2. You realize that changing your attitude gets you results. You might not get bang yet, but much better results than the beta ways.

I've gone out and call girl fat, obese, not too smart, dumb etc (context dependent ofc). and every time instead of getting mad or offended they just laugh, hit my shoulder and tease me back. At first I was like "the fuck? They like it when I insult them?" Whereas my beta self would just walk on eggshell and let the convo fizzle out in 3 min.

A man gotta do what he gotta do. Until you hit alphahood, treat all women the same. What "the same" might mean to you, people here have already given advice.

Post: #11

Thanks for all your advice. I think I was just looking for a shortcut when really I just have to learn through experience the hard way just like everyone else.
As others have said, I'll figure out the answer to this as I get more experience with different kinds of girls and seeing what works and doesn't work. The thing that will really open my eyes is the moment a girl "who is different" is the same as all other girls, I just need it to happen.

"But it's important you DO NOT revert back to being a "nice human being" with the girl."
Its a shame a man cannot be a nice human being and I think the post here nailed it perfectly
http://www.rooshv.com/the-contradiction-...nal-values

Post: #12

(04-02-2014 06:01 AM)boywonder34 Wrote:  Thanks for all your advice. I think I was just looking for a shortcut when really I just have to learn through experience the hard way just like everyone else.
As others have said, I'll figure out the answer to this as I get more experience with different kinds of girls and seeing what works and doesn't work. The thing that will really open my eyes is the moment a girl "who is different" is the same as all other girls, I just need it to happen.

Glad you realize that. No shortcut man, unless you suddenly won the lottery, which in itself can be a disaster. It's like pushing a boulder up a hill. With bitches sitting on top of the boulder. For a long time it's exhausting and punishing, but once you get to the top you get to see THE truth, and then pushing the boulder down on the girls will be much more satisfying

Quote:"But it's important you DO NOT revert back to being a "nice human being" with the girl."
Its a shame a man cannot be a nice human being and I think the post here nailed it perfectly
http://www.rooshv.com/the-contradiction-...nal-values

That's one of my favorite post from Roosh blog. To continue the analogy, women learn to use assault rifles now whereas we men still want to fight honorably with a sword duel. You will go down like the last samurai. Adapt and win. I also find it disgusting that women become attracted when I insult them, but get use to it.

You can start being nicer to girls once she becomes your gf, but for the moment shove that thought back down the abyss.

Post: #13

(04-01-2014 02:28 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 07:51 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  You don't need to treat all girls as sluts. You should calibrate your behaviour based on each girl and how she behaves. Reward good behaviour, punish bad behaviour. Remember, you don't change your approach completely, you just calibrate it.

This. Your masculine core should be the same for all of them, but you can't treat a nice girl like you would treat a spoiled club slut. It will be hard at first but then you learn to pick up signs, hints and other stuff that will help you read them better.

Totally agree ! If she acts up, check her. If she's a good girl, reward her !