Post: #126

(03-11-2014 04:26 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  White and black Americans simply do not want to work hard for crap jobs compared to Mexican. They have a sense of entitlement.

So sure I get that no society should spread its legs to get creamed by an outside group, but at the same time each society is really responsible for its own downfall. If you cannot compete with the scrummy dirty immigrant even though you think you have a superior culture than LOL that is completely on you.

Icarus already completely demolished this nonsense, but let me add one quick comment: the whole point of building a successful, rich society is precisely so that you don't have to compete with the "scrummy dirty immigrant." Yes, you can live 5 families to a house and eat refried beans for breakfast, lunch and dinner in order to survive on $5 an hour wages. Alternately, you can restrict immigration and make sure that wages never sink so low, allowing you to enjoy a comfortable middle class existence. Who the hell would voluntarily opt for the first option? Only libtards and your friendly local billionnaire.

Post: #127

@ Icarus: "Does anyone believe that there is a shortage of Americans in STEM?" --- Yes, almost every study I have seen shows that native born Americans simply do not want to study STEM or are not capable of doing so. Most UG and graduate school spots are held by foreigners because Americans simply do not want to study STEM, and most that do are second gen immigrants of Asian and Indian parents. Let's face it, most ppl raised in the typical American education system cannot compete with an Indian or Korean or Chinese kid that has been putting up with ridiculous educational standards since age 5.

Another point about Poland and ethnic purity. Isn't there an irony that Poland has had so much emigration to the US, UK and other places? There are MILLIONS of Poles abroad whereas the country itself has not let in nearly as many migrants. Isn't there a hypocrisy for a Pole to claim that they want to keep their "homeland" pure while expecting other places to let Poles in?

Post: #128

nomadicdude,

I think anyone who is willing to immigrate to another country is a special breed of person. Especially one who is not being handed the opportunity but has to go without certainty. The ones that go abroad are probably the open minded ones. The ones that stay are probably a little less adventuresome, a little or a lot less open minded. Even in the US only a small percentage has passports. A lot of Poles in America have been here for generations, when America was a melting pot - mainly because it seems like only white people were coming to America. In present day America, I don't think it is as easy to immigrate to America. And during the previous century there were many bad things that happened that made it, for the lack of a better word, a necessity to move away from home to start again.

Post: #129

I'm amazed at how intensely some people seem to want for every ethnic white country to be multi-culturalized.

Something isn't right.

Why can't you just allow the Poles to run their country as you see fit. I can't run around hitting on girls in Yeddah or Teheran, I doubt I could do it in the "hood" in the US.

Post: #130

(03-11-2014 05:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  ^^ Has anyone got bangs out of VK in the past year? I get the impression that girls are being spammed a lot by foreign guys.

I've tried pipelining using VK but for the country I was going to I won't lie, I got nothing. Sometimes I feel the return on the time invested with some pipelining sites is not worth it.

Berserk, I'd rather Poland stayed fully Polish.

Post: #131

(03-12-2014 01:03 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  Yes, almost every study I have seen shows that native born Americans simply do not want to study STEM or are not capable of doing so.

Such "studies" are usually written by Vivek Wadhwa, a major league IRT and pathological liar, whose goal is to flood the U.S. with fellow IRT's so that whoever pays his bills can get a virtually infinite pool of sufficiently-qualified laborers on the cheap.

Americans do not want to study STEM because there is no return on investment. Engineers are glorified blue-collar workers to be harassed by white-collar managers with MBA's and inferior intellects. The hours are long, and the competition is brutal. One can be easily replaced by a virgin IRT who will work 14 hours per day every day, since making money in the Silly Con Valley is the only chance he has to amass enough of a loot to afford an Indian bride and finally, FINALLY, have some sex!

The only place where Americans who studied STEM can have some job security is the aerospace & defense sector. You cannot hire IRT's to design missiles and fighter jets, since they lack a security clearance, and may return to India one day and take America's military secrets with them.

I studied STEM in the U.S. at the graduate level for 5 years, so what do I know? My American friends with STEM PhD's cannot get jobs that easily, since they're mostly overqualified for most jobs. Companies don't want brilliant people, they want willing slaves who can follow orders without questioning their superiors, and who are not too mediocre, so that they actually produce something of value. My smart American friends in STEM did a bachelor's at Caltech or Harvard, then went to work for hedge funds at age 22, since that seems to be the only truly attractive career path in the U.S. at the moment. My American friends with PhD's will only have money to start a family when they're 40, and by then their girlfriends will be virtually infertile. What a life!! Who wouldn't volunteer for it?

To add insult to injury, Silly Con Valley moguls collude to keep engineers' salaries low, and housing costs keep exploding, thus locking young engineers in a place where they cannot save enough to be able to switch jobs, and where they have to live with roommates at age 30.

Like I said before, there aren't a lot of Playboy bunnies willing to have sex with broke Reddit omegas for free, either. There is talent, but if you want the talent to work for you, you need to offer something in return.

Here's what American computer scientist and entrepreneur Philip Greenspun has to say on the topic:

Quote:Adjusted for IQ, quantitative skills, and working hours, jobs in science are the lowest paid in the United States. (...) For whatever reason we've decided that science in America should be done by low-paid immigrants. They seem to be doing a good job. They are cheap. They are mostly guys, like other immigrant populations.

(...)

A good career is one that pays well, in which you have a broad choice of full-time and part-time jobs, in which there is some sort of barrier to entry so that you won't have to compete with a lot of other applicants, in which there are good jobs in every part of the country and internationally, and in which you can enjoy job security in middle age and not be driven out by young people willing to work 100 hours per week.

(03-12-2014 01:03 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  Another point about Poland and ethnic purity. Isn't there an irony that Poland has had so much emigration to the US, UK and other places? There are MILLIONS of Poles abroad whereas the country itself has not let in nearly as many migrants. Isn't there a hypocrisy for a Pole to claim that they want to keep their "homeland" pure while expecting other places to let Poles in?

You sound like a feminist complaining that it's an unfair double standard to call women who sleep around sluts and men who sleep around studs.

It's not a matter of hypocrisy, it's a matter of interest. It's in Poland's interests to keep immigrants out (to preserve its genetics) and to send its unemployed to the U.S. or the U.K. to work and send money home to their relatives. That way, the Polish security system has less of a burden, and there's more social stability, too.

Moreover, the U.S. is a country of immigrants. The whole point of the Americas is to absorb population from the rest of the world. And, contrary to Poles, as you have clearly shown, many Americans are open-borders fanatics who do not even care about preserving their own country, since flooding the labor markets with horny IRT's is "natural selection" at work.

Post: #132

(03-11-2014 06:58 PM)jasond Wrote:  I'm non-white (from the USA) and lived in Wroclaw for 5 months last year.
I definitely experienced more racism there than in the USA (NYC).
...

Would you mind sharing what kind of non-white person you are? As I said earlier, I'm Asian American and I didn't have any problems in Poland. I have only been to Wroclaw and Krakow.

Post: #133

Most Poles I meet love to talk patriotic and wave the flag, but they are not giving up there North American cushy lives to live back in Poland. Quite a large number have descended on the British Isles and seem like they are going to stay.
Poland doesn't have an economy that can support to many immigrants to begin with, so that argument is flawed.

As for Immigration, it is not the unskilled immigrant who pushes down wages. It is the greedy Corporations that maximize their profits that keep wages low. Compared to inflation wages have always been behind, Governments will complain about Immigration but that is only to get votes during an election.

For you guys gaming in Poland, enjoy the advantage you have. In Canada, Polish gals act like they are the greatest thing since slice bread.

Post: #134

(03-12-2014 10:35 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most Poles I meet love to talk patriotic and wave the flag, but they are not giving up there North American cushy lives to live back in Poland. Quite a large number have descended on the British Isles and seem like they are going to stay.
Poland doesn't have an economy that can support to many immigrants to begin with, so that argument is flawed.

As for Immigration, it is not the unskilled immigrant who pushes down wages. It is the greedy Corporations that maximize their profits that keep wages low. Compared to inflation wages have always been behind, Governments will complain about Immigration but that is only to get votes during an election.

For you guys gaming in Poland, enjoy the advantage you have. In Canada, Polish gals act like they are the greatest thing since slice bread.

And those international corporations who push down wages don't thrive because of this open border, multicultural mindset?

Besides, unskilled immigrants are simply not good for any country. They are usually poorly educated, have bad manners and lack the capacity to assimilate. In Europe at least, there is no doubt that most immigration is the lowest rung from their own countries.

In the end, countries and people should make their own decisions on who they want in their countries and there is much evidence that allowing certain ethnicities into your country in mass numbers is a very bad idea.

Post: #135

(03-12-2014 10:35 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most Poles I meet love to talk patriotic and wave the flag, but they are not giving up there North American cushy lives to live back in Poland.

My experience is a bit different. When I think of all the people I met all over Europe and the U.S. from age 18 to 30, the ones who are doing better right now are the Poles, which may sound a bit shocking to some people.

My friends in California are living in mediocre houses, spending a fortune on rent, trying to build savings after paying off their student loans, trying to get a promotion, etc. They have very little control over their lives. It feels like a prolonged adolescence. Adulthood keeps getting postponed. Their lives are harder than their parents' lives were.

On the other hand, several old friends of mine in Warsaw are doing great. They bought apartments already, so they don't have to rent, some started their own businesses and worry about pleasing clients instead of pleasing their bosses, they drive expensive cars, they married very hot women, they have kids already. They live an adult life. Of course, they are part of a very small elite who had the skills and connections to ride the wave of economic development of the past 20 years. Their lives are much more comfortable than their parents' ever were.

Post: #136

^ Warsaw is the capital and you said your friends are of a small elite group. Most Poles I meet are not from the capital, the last pole I dated was from Bialystok and she hated it when she went back to visit.

^^ Your views are very naive. Most immigrants I come across have greater education or some skill set when they come to Canada. I am not talking about Mexicans that cross the border, who won't be stealing my job anytime soon. I study at night at the local university and half of the class are new immigrants who are busting their ass to get ahead.
I get you don't approve of multicultural societies, it also irks me that some immigrants want to change the system (Sharia Law) and don't want to blend in. However, these people for the most part are hungry for a better life and improving themselves, not waiting for their parents to die so they can inherit a house.

Yes, the International corporations thrive when borders are open. Even if the borders weren't open they would open shop in a third world country. How do you think Walmart got so rich? From American labour!!

Post: #137

(03-12-2014 11:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ Warsaw is the capital and you said your friends are of a small elite group.

Yes, but my friends in Warsaw did not get to where they are now because their parents had connections. They grew during the last decade of the Cold War, studied hard in the 1990s, and when multinationals started moving to Warsaw and expanding, they found themselves with a lot of leverage and were compensated very nicely.

The point I was trying to make is that Poland today may be a land of opportunity for some. If you grew up during the Cold War, this sound weird, since Poland is supposed to be poor and underdeveloped. Yet, I have never seen so many Porsche Cayennes as in Galeria Mokotów, a large shopping mall in Warsaw.

It's not Russia in the 1990s, but a few people are making very decent money in Warsaw. If you have the credibility, that is, if you have worked at a big multinational whose name everyone knows, you may be able to find interesting opportunities in Poland. The salary may be lower than in London or NYC, but so is the cost of living, and the quality of the women is higher.

Post: #138

(03-12-2014 11:46 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ Warsaw is the capital and you said your friends are of a small elite group. Most Poles I meet are not from the capital, the last pole I dated was from Bialystok and she hated it when she went back to visit.

^^ Your views are very naive. Most immigrants I come across have greater education or some skill set when they come to Canada. I am not talking about Mexicans that cross the border, who won't be stealing my job anytime soon. I study at night at the local university and half of the class are new immigrants who are busting their ass to get ahead.
I get you don't approve of multicultural societies, it also irks me that some immigrants want to change the system (Sharia Law) and don't want to blend in. However, these people for the most part are hungry for a better life and improving themselves, not waiting for their parents to die so they can inherit a house.

Yes, the International corporations thrive when borders are open. Even if the borders weren't open they would open shop in a third world country. How do you think Walmart got so rich? From American labour!!

Bro, this is why I think Americans/Candians need to calibrate more. I'm not trying to be condescending, but you clearly don't know much about European immigration. It is nothing like immigration to the US and Canada. It is the poorest, least educated people you can find and its the same in all over Europe. They are not busting their ass generally, but instead taking advantage of European welfare. In Denmark, something like 80% of somalians are unemployed and around 50% of all immigrant women. Now that wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the fact they get at least 1000 euro a month to sit on their ass. And on top of that, we have to hear about how horrible we are as 'unbelievers'?

Many are illiterate peasents from their own countries. This has to do with the fact that Europe shares borders with these countries and US/Canada doesn't. Honestly, it is not even comparable.

Post: #139

(03-12-2014 10:35 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  For you guys gaming in Poland, enjoy the advantage you have. In Canada, Polish gals act like they are the greatest thing since slice bread.

Interesting. I met a cute Polish girl who grew up in Toronto and she was very shy and down to earth, had no attitude whatsoever.

Post: #140

I have to echo Icarus here. Poland really struck me as a prosperous country and I didn't even make it to Warsaw. On paper, it looks poor but the numbers dont reflect the reality there. The people are living well...

Poland's disadvantage is that dry winter cold. I couldn't handle it.

Post: #141

^^^ Actually I am UK born and lived there for a few years recently. Ok now I understand your beef, the Somalians. Yes, we have them here as well in big numbers.
Western governments state they need these people because of the low birth rates.
Just repeating the rhetoric!

Icarus - I have never been to Poland, I have no doubt their is a minority living well there just like other countries. My buddy visited Warsaw and hung out with a girl who was a lawyer, she obviously has a great life. For the average Pole life cannot be that great otherwise so many would not have left for the UK in the last few years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...years.html

For the record I am not saying Poland should open its border, I just find it ironic that people are complaining about this topic.

Post: #142

(03-12-2014 11:02 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 10:35 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most Poles I meet love to talk patriotic and wave the flag, but they are not giving up there North American cushy lives to live back in Poland. Quite a large number have descended on the British Isles and seem like they are going to stay.
Poland doesn't have an economy that can support to many immigrants to begin with, so that argument is flawed.

As for Immigration, it is not the unskilled immigrant who pushes down wages. It is the greedy Corporations that maximize their profits that keep wages low. Compared to inflation wages have always been behind, Governments will complain about Immigration but that is only to get votes during an election.

For you guys gaming in Poland, enjoy the advantage you have. In Canada, Polish gals act like they are the greatest thing since slice bread.

Besides, unskilled immigrants are simply not good for any country. They are usually poorly educated, have bad manners and lack the capacity to assimilate.

^^^

This was America for close to 100 years...

Post: #143

(03-12-2014 12:10 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^^^ Actually I am UK born and lived there for a few years recently. Ok now I understand your beef, the Somalians. Yes, we have them here as well in big numbers.
Western governments state they need these people because of the low birth rates.
Just repeating the rhetoric!

No, its not just the somalians, palestinians also vastly underperform and are responsible for A LOT of crime. Arabs in general and also pakistanis. Low class muslims unfortunately. The problem isn't so much islam, but the fact that the religion allows these low class people to shift blame and feel superior in otherwise shitty lives. That is why mexicans probably do better in the US, at least you share more culture.

I don't have a problem immigrants in general. I have almost only good experiences with iranians, turks are cool to (unless from the Anatolia), chinese do fine, thais do fine, poles do fine.

The combination of being low class and muslim just is a very bad combination.

Post: #144

(03-12-2014 12:15 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:02 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 10:35 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Most Poles I meet love to talk patriotic and wave the flag, but they are not giving up there North American cushy lives to live back in Poland. Quite a large number have descended on the British Isles and seem like they are going to stay.
Poland doesn't have an economy that can support to many immigrants to begin with, so that argument is flawed.

As for Immigration, it is not the unskilled immigrant who pushes down wages. It is the greedy Corporations that maximize their profits that keep wages low. Compared to inflation wages have always been behind, Governments will complain about Immigration but that is only to get votes during an election.

For you guys gaming in Poland, enjoy the advantage you have. In Canada, Polish gals act like they are the greatest thing since slice bread.

Besides, unskilled immigrants are simply not good for any country. They are usually poorly educated, have bad manners and lack the capacity to assimilate.

^^^

This was America for close to 100 years...

Yes and as witnessed by 'Gangs of New York' that wasn't really civilized now was it? Besides, people still have a problem understanding the difference between a country founded on multi-culturalism and the age old ethnic nationstates of Europe. It's like people don't even know that Danes and Swedes have killed each other since the viking age over these territories. The borders are settled and defined for a reason.

Post: #145

(03-12-2014 12:17 PM)berserk Wrote:  The combination of being low class and muslim just is a very bad combination.

Quoting Mencius Moldbug:

Quote:The trouble with Oslo isn't that the Norwegian Workers' Party has imported a Muslim underclass - it's that the Norwegian Workers' Party has imported an underclass. If for whatever reasons they'd chosen their immigrants from Papua New Guinea, perhaps Robert Spencer could have become an expert in penis sheaths, noting that all the offenders had wrapped their junk in banana leaves. Instead of converting them to Christianity, he'd want to convert them to underwear. Perhaps not every population can be civilized; every population can be feralized.

Post: #146

If you see the difference between the eastern part of Germany(no foreigners) and the western part( full of foreigners) you still understand that foreigners are a bless. They allow for unlimited growth. Tell a German to stay two hours more at work. No way. So all shops at the East close at 18.00. Not so in the West. And who is active after 18.00? Almost only foreigners.
The whole point is to be able to choose the quality foreigners not the ones Greece is importing(illegal,criminals etc).

Post: #147

(03-12-2014 12:17 PM)berserk Wrote:  No, its not just the somalians, palestinians also vastly underperform and are responsible for A LOT of crime. Arabs in general and also pakistanis. Low class muslims unfortunately. The problem isn't so much islam, but the fact that the religion allows these low class people to shift blame and feel superior in otherwise shitty lives. That is why mexicans probably do better in the US, at least you share more culture.

I don't have a problem immigrants in general. I have almost only good experiences with iranians, turks are cool to (unless from the Anatolia), chinese do fine, thais do fine, poles do fine.

The combination of being low class and muslim just is a very bad combination.

I referenced this here in an old post:

Quote:the Muslims in the US tend to come from a more educated background, speak Arabic and are less susceptible to radicalisation. The H1-B Visa system ensures that educated people come into the US. Most of the Muslims in the UK are either Pakistanis for Mirpur (which is one of the most backwards parts of Pakistan), or Sylethis from Bangladesh (again, one of the most backwards area).

Europe got some of the most backwards Muslims, whereas the US got the many of the smarter ones.
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One thing that’s not been touched upon in this thread is that Poland is also used as a gateway to the EU by lots of illegals. I’m sure that a lot of Polish guys are aware of the fact that foreign men also use their women to get passports.

A lot of guys from India and Pakistan enter Poland illegally and marry a Polish woman. Once they get their citizenship they get divorced from their wives, go back India or Pakistan and marry a girl from the village.

A couple of years ago I spoke to a guy in India who tried this but he fucked up. He got married to a Polish woman in Poland, then he went to India for a while to get away from her in order to initiate a divorce. However, she was still in love with him and she moved to India. She stayed in India for a year and then they both went back to Poland. His wife by then wanted to divorce him but he had still not obtained a Polish passport. A Polish judge divorced them then told him to get the fuck out of Poland.

There’s also a lot of illegal Indian and Pakistani guys in Greece, Italy and Portugal. They don’t come to the UK as much because the UK will kick them out if caught. Italy doesn’t.

In UK some foreign men pay Polish women to marry them so that they can stay in UK.

Sometimes it’s done willingly:

Here cuffs the bride! The moment Polish woman was arrested in her wedding dress as she said vows to Pakistani stranger who paid her £2,500 for sham marriage

Quote:The 19-year-old Polish woman and the 30-year-old Indian groom were held shortly after arriving at a register office when the registrar tipped off immigration officers.

Two male witnesses were also quizzed on suspicion of assisting illegal immigration.

The Indian man was named as Amrit Singh Dhanju, 30, from Oxford. He was charged yesterday with two counts of perjury and remanded in custody.

The Polish woman from Oxford, who has not been named, was given a police caution. Officials from the UK Border Agency and officers from Thames Valley Police swooped on Oxfordshire Register Office in Oxford on Tuesday.

Sometimes it’s a forced marriage:

Couple jailed for trafficking Polish women into Britain and forcing them into sham marriages

Quote:A couple who trafficked vulnerable young women into the UK and forced them into sham marriages have been jailed for three years

Abdullah Saleem and his wife Anna Styputkowska were the ringleaders of a bogus marriage operation in Slough, Berkshire, where they used false advertisements of well-paid jobs to entice girls from Poland.

The girls were then set up with non-EU men who 24-year-old Saleem had lined up.

Post: #148

(03-12-2014 05:42 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  One this that’s not been touched upon in this thread is that Poland is also used as a gateway to the EU by lots of illegals. I’m sure that a lot of Polish guys are aware of the fact that foreign men also use their women to get passports.

A lot of guys from India and Pakistan enter Poland illegally and marry a Polish woman. Once they get their citizenship they get divorced from their wives, go back India or Pakistan and marry a girl from the village.

A couple of years ago I spoke to a guy in India who tried this but he fucked up. He got married to a Polish woman in Poland, then he went to India for a while to get away from her in order to initiate a divorce. However, she was still in love with him and she moved to India. She stayed in India for a year and then they both went back to Poland. His wife by then wanted to divorce him but he had still not obtained a Polish passport. A Polish judge divorced them then told him to get the fuck out of Poland.

There’s also a lot of illegal Indian and Pakistani guys in Greece, Italy and Portugal. They don’t come to the UK as much because the UK will kick them out if caught. Italy doesn’t.

In UK some foreign men pay Polish women to marry them so that they can stay in UK.

Sometimes it’s done willingly:

Here cuffs the bride! The moment Polish woman was arrested in her wedding dress as she said vows to Pakistani stranger who paid her £2,500 for sham marriage

Quote:The 19-year-old Polish woman and the 30-year-old Indian groom were held shortly after arriving at a register office when the registrar tipped off immigration officers.

Two male witnesses were also quizzed on suspicion of assisting illegal immigration.

The Indian man was named as Amrit Singh Dhanju, 30, from Oxford. He was charged yesterday with two counts of perjury and remanded in custody.

The Polish woman from Oxford, who has not been named, was given a police caution. Officials from the UK Border Agency and officers from Thames Valley Police swooped on Oxfordshire Register Office in Oxford on Tuesday.

Sometimes it’s a forced marriage:

Couple jailed for trafficking Polish women into Britain and forcing them into sham marriages

Quote:A couple who trafficked vulnerable young women into the UK and forced them into sham marriages have been jailed for three years

Abdullah Saleem and his wife Anna Styputkowska were the ringleaders of a bogus marriage operation in Slough, Berkshire, where they used false advertisements of well-paid jobs to entice girls from Poland.

The girls were then set up with non-EU men who 24-year-old Saleem had lined up.

OMG IRTs trolling in Poland! They seem to be unstoppable...

Post: #149

(03-12-2014 11:59 AM)berserk Wrote:  They are not busting their ass generally, but instead taking advantage of European welfare.

I cannot comment on the taking advantage part.

But I agree, Europe seems to be way more generous with benefits. But I think that has to do with a heavier tax system. I was told once Europe wants a strong middle class so the wealthy get taxed more. A lot of that is then pushed through into benefits for others. I could be way off base. But there are certain countries seem to be about enjoying life so what I was told makes sense to me.

So why not try to get to a country that gives benefits easily?

Post: #150

I"m Spanish too, i'm fully caucasian but clearly a foreigner on countries of mostly nordic people. Never suffered any racism anywher ein Eurpe, but xenophobia in Gothenburg, Sweden. In the club Park Lane, they would not let me enter after seeing my third world passport ( it was not the Spanish one of course, i left it in the hotel the day it happened )