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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-19-2011 07:19 PM)deebow Wrote: URM,
Your question is a tough one to answer. Winnipeg is definitely a place that brothas should visit, then again so is Montreal. Montreal is more of a place where everyone can get down regardless of race. Brothas will kill it specifically in Winnipeg (Montreal as well but more so Winnipeg). Montreal has more and better women than Winnipeg. Then again, Winnipeg women may require slightly less game and but are also attractive. Montreal is a far more eventful city than Winnipeg by far. There is much more to do, and the city is much more esthetically pleasing than Winnipeg. If you stayed in Winnipeg for more than a week (probably less) you'd be bored (especially if you come from a large US city). Many people swear that they could live in Montreal or that it was a european city. I'd say Winnipeg is better for brothas but Montreal is better for every man. Does that make sense?
Actually, very well explained. l'm just wondering what the difference is that make winnipeg a bot more brotah friendly than Montreal. Still, Montreal sounds like the place, since it still sounds like jungle fever is intact, but with more cultural spots to check out. Plus, Montreal might actually be a better place to meet women, if only because there's probably more clubs and venues to go to.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-19-2011 08:02 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote: (06-19-2011 07:19 PM)deebow Wrote: URM,
Your question is a tough one to answer. Winnipeg is definitely a place that brothas should visit, then again so is Montreal. Montreal is more of a place where everyone can get down regardless of race. Brothas will kill it specifically in Winnipeg (Montreal as well but more so Winnipeg). Montreal has more and better women than Winnipeg. Then again, Winnipeg women may require slightly less game and but are also attractive. Montreal is a far more eventful city than Winnipeg by far. There is much more to do, and the city is much more esthetically pleasing than Winnipeg. If you stayed in Winnipeg for more than a week (probably less) you'd be bored (especially if you come from a large US city). Many people swear that they could live in Montreal or that it was a european city. I'd say Winnipeg is better for brothas but Montreal is better for every man. Does that make sense?
Actually, very well explained. l'm just wondering what the difference is that make winnipeg a bot more brotah friendly than Montreal. Still, Montreal sounds like the place, since it still sounds like jungle fever is intact, but with more cultural spots to check out. Plus, Montreal might actually be a better place to meet women, if only because there's probably more clubs and venues to go to.
The difference is that Montreal sees more of a variety of Black men than Winnipeg. There is slightly more of a novelty factor for us there. Overall Montreal is by far the better city, however uniqueness is exacerbated in Winnipeg.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-21-2011 03:21 AM)woshichun Wrote: Who in here is black..raise your hand. I need to know who to watch my stuff around.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(04-29-2010 10:51 PM)deebow Wrote: I completely disagree with all of the responses in regards to Latin America. I have spent a large amount of time in Bogota and they seem to love black american men (the non-stereotypical type). I have absolutely no problems when I go there. The same goes for Medellin. I have plenty of friends that are girls in Bogota and they have told me that I'd clean up if I lived there because women absolutely love black men.
The things to be aware of is that they love American, Canadian or British black men but not their own. This is because blacks in south america are not viewed in a positive light, however if a black north american were to go to those cities, many notice that he is different by the way that he dresses and quite honestly where they see him. I also like hip hop (real hip hop) but I don't subscribe to the stereotypes such as the typical dress or slang. Boy do I ever clean up in Colombia. I've been stopped in gyms, the mall and in clubs to be told that I'm attractive. When I go to this one Salsa place in Bogota, I always get asked to dance. The last time I went, some girl asked me to dance and then while dancing with her she said that she wanted me back at her place. I went and finished it off a few days later after getting her number. It may have been a risk but it paid off.
If you are black and from Europe or north america, the uniqueness is there. By the way, I'm Canadian and we have plenty of blacks in Canada. Therefore black americans hold no special value (over and above the normal value that they hold all over the US). Canada doesn't view americans as special or exotic in anyway because the countries are so much alike. I find that blacks in Canada don't hold the negative stereotypes as blacks in the US do. That being said, I'm going back to Colombia.
Deebow , Glad Bogota worked for you But i have been traveling to Colombia for some 10 plus years and Black men do not do well . Maybe along the coast but Bogota and Medellin no way . I also have seen Black guys turned away from places in Colombia . I have not seen many Black men in Medellin or Bogota I think I saw a few doing security in a bar in Medellin and the fact that I remember this tells you just how rare it was . I just don't see Colombia as a good fit but things can change .
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-21-2011 03:59 PM)RobbieRobNJ Wrote: (04-29-2010 10:51 PM)deebow Wrote: I completely disagree with all of the responses in regards to Latin America. I have spent a large amount of time in Bogota and they seem to love black american men (the non-stereotypical type). I have absolutely no problems when I go there. The same goes for Medellin. I have plenty of friends that are girls in Bogota and they have told me that I'd clean up if I lived there because women absolutely love black men.
The things to be aware of is that they love American, Canadian or British black men but not their own. This is because blacks in south america are not viewed in a positive light, however if a black north american were to go to those cities, many notice that he is different by the way that he dresses and quite honestly where they see him. I also like hip hop (real hip hop) but I don't subscribe to the stereotypes such as the typical dress or slang. Boy do I ever clean up in Colombia. I've been stopped in gyms, the mall and in clubs to be told that I'm attractive. When I go to this one Salsa place in Bogota, I always get asked to dance. The last time I went, some girl asked me to dance and then while dancing with her she said that she wanted me back at her place. I went and finished it off a few days later after getting her number. It may have been a risk but it paid off.
If you are black and from Europe or north america, the uniqueness is there. By the way, I'm Canadian and we have plenty of blacks in Canada. Therefore black americans hold no special value (over and above the normal value that they hold all over the US). Canada doesn't view americans as special or exotic in anyway because the countries are so much alike. I find that blacks in Canada don't hold the negative stereotypes as blacks in the US do. That being said, I'm going back to Colombia.
Deebow , Glad Bogota worked for you But i have been traveling to Colombia for some 10 plus years and Black men do not do well . Maybe along the coast but Bogota and Medellin no way . I also have seen Black guys turned away from places in Colombia . I have not seen many Black men in Medellin or Bogota I think I saw a few doing security in a bar in Medellin and the fact that I remember this tells you just how rare it was . I just don't see Colombia as a good fit but things can change .
I have to agree with Deebow on this that American Black Men do well in Colombia. Most Black Guys in general who even have the balls to travel to Colombia are going to be well traveled and non-stereotypical because for most brothas Colombia is off the beaten path. BTW I've been to Cali, Medellin, Bogota and along the coast and have never been denied entrance to any clubs. It was probably a local you witnessed get denied but any American-Clean Cut Dude will do well there.
It's so funny how non-black dudes come in here and are experts on how Black Men do in "X" country...lol.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 03:18 AM)pitt Wrote: Well i also dont think dark skin guys will do extremely well in spanish speaking countries, be it in south america or be it in the caribbean.
Some nightclubs wont even allow darkskin guys to come in..if the bouncers are thinking like that, imagine how the chicks will think.
However if you look good and you have game, i believe you can pull ass there,but you wont be highly successful as other dudes that are ligher than you and also game good.
I remember this dominican guy telling me before i went to DR, that the lighter you are there, the more successful you are likely to be with the girls. And that was so true.
I think this is going to be reality for the majority of men. There are always going to be a few outliers with matrix level game that will do good anywhere. But I think denying the reality of deep colorism is Latin America is ridiculous. I mean hell, just turn on the TV. Every actor/actress is white as snow, even in countries with a brown color majority. They don't even want to see themselves on TV! I believe Int'l Swag when he says he does good there. But I also remember him saying he is somewhat racially ambiguous in looks. If he looked strait up African like Seu Jorge, short of being a famous musician or footballer, the experience could very well be different. I like the article IS posted about being race transcending, but I think that works best in parts of the world like the West that have a culture of anti-racism and some history of fighting against it. Your ability to transcend race is still constrained by the culture of your country. Ask any black that went through Jim Crow if he was able to transcend his race in Alabama. Much of Latin America is still in denial about this stuff. Look at the Sambo stamps the Mexican government issued a few years ago as proof.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 04:41 AM)speakeasy Wrote: (06-22-2011 03:18 AM)pitt Wrote: Well i also dont think dark skin guys will do extremely well in spanish speaking countries, be it in south america or be it in the caribbean.
Some nightclubs wont even allow darkskin guys to come in..if the bouncers are thinking like that, imagine how the chicks will think.
However if you look good and you have game, i believe you can pull ass there,but you wont be highly successful as other dudes that are ligher than you and also game good.
I remember this dominican guy telling me before i went to DR, that the lighter you are there, the more successful you are likely to be with the girls. And that was so true.
I think this is going to be reality for the majority of men. There are always going to be a few outliers with matrix level game that will do good anywhere. But I think denying the reality of deep colorism is Latin America is ridiculous. I mean hell, just turn on the TV. Every actor/actress is white as snow, even in countries with a brown color majority. They don't even want to see themselves on TV! I believe Int'l Swag when he says he does good there. But I also remember him saying he is somewhat racially ambiguous in looks. If he looked strait up African like Seu Jorge, short of being a famous musician or footballer, the experience could very well be different. I like the article IS posted about being race transcending, but I think that works best in parts of the world like the West that have a culture of anti-racism and some history of fighting against it. Your ability to transcend race is still constrained by the culture of your country. Ask any black that went through Jim Crow if he was able to transcend his race in Alabama. Much of Latin America is still in denial about this stuff. Look at the Sambo stamps the Mexican government issued a few years ago as proof.
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As far as I see it, any blk guy that thinks he is "preferred" or "sought after" with the non blk women of SA/CA is in denial imo. Given equal game a white dude with blue eyes blonde hair will pull 10X the ass of a black dude in a place like Colombia.
@ InterSwaggr & Rudeboy
No one is telling yall not to go anywhere. Like InterSwaggr said there will always be a few chicks that will dig ur style and being American no doubt,but in comparison to the country on a whole that number is small. In conclusion, what it comes down to is I would not recommend SA/CA for dark skinned brothas if you are tying to swoop non blk latinas. Now if you are doing p4p than the grls wont discriminate and ur skin color wont be an issue as all the girl see's is dollar signs anyway. With all that said If you like latinas than GO to SA/CA! If you work hard enough and got some style Im sure you can find alil something something.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 04:41 AM)speakeasy Wrote: (06-22-2011 03:18 AM)pitt Wrote: Well i also dont think dark skin guys will do extremely well in spanish speaking countries, be it in south america or be it in the caribbean.
Some nightclubs wont even allow darkskin guys to come in..if the bouncers are thinking like that, imagine how the chicks will think.
However if you look good and you have game, i believe you can pull ass there,but you wont be highly successful as other dudes that are ligher than you and also game good.
I remember this dominican guy telling me before i went to DR, that the lighter you are there, the more successful you are likely to be with the girls. And that was so true.
I think this is going to be reality for the majority of men. There are always going to be a few outliers with matrix level game that will do good anywhere. But I think denying the reality of deep colorism is Latin America is ridiculous. I mean hell, just turn on the TV. Every actor/actress is white as snow, even in countries with a brown color majority. They don't even want to see themselves on TV! I believe Int'l Swag when he says he does good there. But I also remember him saying he is somewhat racially ambiguous in looks. If he looked strait up African like Seu Jorge, short of being a famous musician or footballer, the experience could very well be different. I like the article IS posted about being race transcending, but I think that works best in parts of the world like the West that have a culture of anti-racism and some history of fighting against it. Your ability to transcend race is still constrained by the culture of your country. Ask any black that went through Jim Crow if he was able to transcend his race in Alabama. Much of Latin America is still in denial about this stuff. Look at the Sambo stamps the Mexican government issued a few years ago as proof.
This is true especially in the DR and other Latin American countries with large populations with people of African-Descent. I do believe If you are a lighter skinned brotha It will get you in the door faster in these particular countries BUT just because you are dark skinned you won't be totally shut out and you will still have plenty of options. Once again you come with high level GQ Game, DHV, Dress, Dance, Fuck Good & looks and you will be good to go. But If you come like a sloppy backpacker prepare to be shut out...In the DR I can personally vouch for the hatred they show dark skinned people. I befriended a guy who was Haitian down there (DR) in 2004 and many of the girls I hooked up with were asking me not to bring him a long or wouldn't hook him up with their homegirls and he wasn't a bad looking guy at all.
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 06:13 AM)InternationalSwagger Wrote: I do believe If you are a lighter skinned brotha It will get you in the door faster in these particular countries BUT just because you are dark skinned you won't be totally shut out and you will still have plenty of options. Once again you come with high level GQ Game, DHV, Dress, Dance, Fuck Good & looks and you will be good to go.
That's all good and well, but this whole issue seems to raise another question for guys like that: why really bother?
You're basically admitting here what everyone else has said: dark skinned guys have a much harder time in some parts of Latin America, though a darker guy wouldn't be "totally shut out", so long as he is at an elite level of game. He would require that high level of game/dancing/style/etc to compensate and get even with his lighter skinned black and white peers who do better just on the basis of appearance.
But why put in all of that effort just to hit the baseline that your lighter peers naturally reach? A dark skinned guy can go to many parts of Europe or Asia and do better for less.
This is an issue of value or "Return on Investment"(ROI). Based on what I'm hearing here, I'm not so sold on the idea that parts of Latin America offer a solid ROI for a lot of darker skinned men.
Quote:But If you come like a sloppy backpacker prepare to be shut out...In the DR I can personally vouch for the hatred they show dark skinned people. I befriended a guy who was Haitian down there (DR) in 2004 and many of the girls I hooked up with were asking me not to bring him a long or wouldn't hook him up with their homegirls and he wasn't a bad looking guy at all.
Again, an issue of ROI: why work to overcome prejudices in a land where people actually hate darker skinned people when you can spend your time in a place where they're more open to you? Why bother trying to tame tigers when you don't need to?
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 07:24 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote: (06-22-2011 06:13 AM)InternationalSwagger Wrote: I do believe If you are a lighter skinned brotha It will get you in the door faster in these particular countries BUT just because you are dark skinned you won't be totally shut out and you will still have plenty of options. Once again you come with high level GQ Game, DHV, Dress, Dance, Fuck Good & looks and you will be good to go.
That's all good and well, but this whole issue seems to raise another question for guys like that: why really bother?
You're basically admitting here what everyone else has said: dark skinned guys have a much harder time in some parts of Latin America, though a darker guy wouldn't be "totally shut out", so long as he is at an elite level of game. He would require that high level of game/dancing/style/etc to compensate and get even with his lighter skinned black and white peers who do better just on the basis of appearance.
But why put in all of that effort just to hit the baseline that your lighter peers naturally reach? A dark skinned guy can go to many parts of Europe or Asia and do better for less.
This is an issue of value or "Return on Investment"(ROI). Based on what I'm hearing here, I'm not so sold on the idea that parts of Latin America offer a solid ROI for a lot of darker skinned men.
Quote:But If you come like a sloppy backpacker prepare to be shut out...In the DR I can personally vouch for the hatred they show dark skinned people. I befriended a guy who was Haitian down there (DR) in 2004 and many of the girls I hooked up with were asking me not to bring him a long or wouldn't hook him up with their homegirls and he wasn't a bad looking guy at all.
Again, an issue of ROI: why work to overcome prejudices in a land where people actually hate darker skinned people when you can spend your time in a place where they're more open to you? Why bother trying to tame tigers when you don't need to?
I think this issue depends on the "desired" women for the guy. I am more into black females and/or latinas with some part of african descent, so I love heading to South America/Central America. I would agree that the same racial issues happen in SA/CA.
Having said that, I agree with asking the question "why work to overcome prejudices in a land where people actually hate darker skinned people when you can spend your time in a place where they're more open to you? Why bother trying to tame tigers when you don't need to?".
If I were into the more lighter/euro featured Latinas, I definitely would not visit SA/CA to try to "tame the tiger". The ONLY thing that I will put up with in "working harder than my caucasian counterparts" is obtaining education/career because it is a direct means of survival....and far less options to just go somewhere else. As far as gaming women, I am going where the ROI is the best (for the type of women I like).
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RE: Best Cities/Countries for Black American Guys???
(06-22-2011 08:17 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote: (06-22-2011 07:24 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote: (06-22-2011 06:13 AM)InternationalSwagger Wrote: I do believe If you are a lighter skinned brotha It will get you in the door faster in these particular countries BUT just because you are dark skinned you won't be totally shut out and you will still have plenty of options. Once again you come with high level GQ Game, DHV, Dress, Dance, Fuck Good & looks and you will be good to go.
That's all good and well, but this whole issue seems to raise another question for guys like that: why really bother?
You're basically admitting here what everyone else has said: dark skinned guys have a much harder time in some parts of Latin America, though a darker guy wouldn't be "totally shut out", so long as he is at an elite level of game. He would require that high level of game/dancing/style/etc to compensate and get even with his lighter skinned black and white peers who do better just on the basis of appearance.
But why put in all of that effort just to hit the baseline that your lighter peers naturally reach? A dark skinned guy can go to many parts of Europe or Asia and do better for less.
This is an issue of value or "Return on Investment"(ROI). Based on what I'm hearing here, I'm not so sold on the idea that parts of Latin America offer a solid ROI for a lot of darker skinned men.
Quote:But If you come like a sloppy backpacker prepare to be shut out...In the DR I can personally vouch for the hatred they show dark skinned people. I befriended a guy who was Haitian down there (DR) in 2004 and many of the girls I hooked up with were asking me not to bring him a long or wouldn't hook him up with their homegirls and he wasn't a bad looking guy at all.
Again, an issue of ROI: why work to overcome prejudices in a land where people actually hate darker skinned people when you can spend your time in a place where they're more open to you? Why bother trying to tame tigers when you don't need to?
I think this issue depends on the "desired" women for the guy. I am more into black females and/or latinas with some part of african descent, so I love heading to South America/Central America. I would agree that the same racial issues happen in SA/CA.
Having said that, I agree with asking the question "why work to overcome prejudices in a land where people actually hate darker skinned people when you can spend your time in a place where they're more open to you? Why bother trying to tame tigers when you don't need to?".
If I were into the more lighter/euro featured Latinas, I definitely would not visit SA/CA to try to "tame the tiger". The ONLY thing that I will put up with in "working harder than my caucasian counterparts" is obtaining education/career because it is a direct means of survival....and far less options to just go somewhere else. As far as gaming women, I am going where the ROI is the best (for the type of women I like).
Exactly...I don't go to SA/CA to game the more euro featured Latinas but I can still put em (Why do that when I can get a PURE white girl in Scandi/Europe) I also PREFER Latinas with some part African Descent and I have NO issues with getting them in bed in these parts of the world but with "Brothas" It really all depends on you some of us will have greater success in Latin America than some will in Scandi and other parts of the world it jus depends on you. For example I think Darker Skinned brothas do better than light skinned brothas in Northern Europe and Scandi because they are Darker and therfore even more exotic...
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