Post: #1

Am I right in thinking that this lifestyle of having lots of girls on the go and regularly fucking is based almost entirely on meeting girls at parties and in the club?

Because I'm not going to lie, hands down the number 1 reason I am not living my dream is because I just flat out don't party. I don't enjoy it, find it so boring, at least in the shitty city I'm in with the mostly uninteresting students around me.

I'm not looking for one night stands but more lots of passionate flings with good looking and interesting girls, do I still have to get into partying in order to stand a chance?

My career is good (medicine), the money comes with that, I'm very interesting and fairly good looking (need to work on the weight, slightly under atm) and my "game" is not conventional but works very well on intelligent girls. I should probably be pulling left right and centre but the only girls I meet are out and about or at work.

Post: #2

"I just flat out don't party"

Huge handicap in my book.

I don't doubt that it is possible to be a "non-party" player, but I think they are mostly a myth.

Unless of course you have some job like model photo snapper that puts you around girls all the time.

For the rest of us average guys like me, you have to be living with The Tortures Of The Damned night after night.

You said medicine right?

Celebrity plastic surgeon would work?

Although those guys party heavy.

Post: #3

You only have two options well three to meet women and have a sex life.

Nightgame - clubs, bars, lounges, strip clubs ect.

Daygame - malls, parks, coffe shops, bookstore, ect.

Onlinegame - dating websites, social networking sites, escorts ect.

Women are just not gonna magically appear at your doorstep ready to fuck. Your gonna have to be pro active in one of the venues I presented above. Goodluck.

Post: #4

Not gonna lie I know this is my biggest handicap, in fact, it's basically rules me out.

The thing is though, I am looking for "affairs" rather than just one night stands or simple fuckbuddies. I am very intense and romantic and to be honest, can make a lot of girls fall for me and enjoy this, I love the idea of having a number of girls in love with me that I can move between.

This is entirely manageable via. meeting girls online but there's so much time-wasting and faffing around that I'm sick of it.

Is it possible at the age of 22 to actually get into partying and enjoy it? I am very outgoing but I don't do well in unstructured social gatherings.

Post: #5

What exactly is it about going out with your friends, being around and talking to women, listening to music, drinking that you do not enjoy?!?!

Post: #6

It's two things really, I don't really feel much affinity to the kinds of people I would be going out with if I did (we're talking fairly posh, fairly uninteresting early-twenty-something students, I don't like making excuses but I doubt you guys would particularly enjoy their company either) and I'm just pretty bad at keeping small talk going for any length of time with a group. When I am chatting up girls I go straight for deep shit, finding out who they are as a person etc., which does work well but you can't really fit in to a night out unless you're prepared to make small talk for 90% of the evening.

I live in a shit town without a very cosmopolitan vibe or population so I'd probably enjoy it more in London with the right friends, but I still have a mental block to get over, I just get anxious and feel out of place at parties and clubs.

Oh yeah and I do not dance xD Flat out don't.

Post: #7

I gonna assume with your first sentence ("kinds of people i would be going out with if i did") that you do not have any REAL friends in the town you are in.

Once you make some good friends it will make all the diff imo.

Post: #8

Well I have friends but I wouldn't say they are close, I don't really have any "bros" and that's the main issue.

But yeah you're pretty much right.

You guys are good, straight to the point and pretty insightful.

Post: #9

(06-21-2011 04:51 PM)Anonybrit Wrote:  Well I have friends but I wouldn't say they are close, I don't really have any "bros" and that's the main issue.

But yeah you're pretty much right.

You guys are good, straight to the point and pretty insightful.

Bingo! haha

Dude, alot of ppl would feel the same way if they didnt have any close friends or bros to go out with.

Here is ur homework for the week. Chat up some girls at your work. Invite them out on a fri or sat night. (the more the better) The workplace is the easiest place to meet girls and guys to chill with.

Once you build a solid social circle you will have alot more fulfilling time and life imo.

Post: #10

Anonybrit,

I am in the same boat as you. I don't like to party. I am in bed by 10pm most nights, even weekends.

For guys like us, Day Game is everything. You gotta be ready to talk to girls from sunrise to sunset. You have to become a master at striking up conversations with cuties anywhere and everywhere. Stores, cafes, coffee shops, book stores, bus stops, gas stations, malls, parks, the beach, the gym, public transportation.

You need to find girls that have the same attitude as you. The girls that don't like to party. The cute college girls who get good grades, the fitness chicks, the artsy philosophical girls who like to chill, the girls that just don't like the club/bar environment. You are a "non party" guy so I bet you would get along with a "non party" girl. The girls in the clubs are probably not gonna vibe with your Game anyways.

For me, daytime is my nighttime. 1pm to me is like 1am for most guys. I am dressed sharp and on the prowl looking for girls to approach. I live near a major university and a couple large malls so that is where I do most of my work. Every time I go to a store or a restaurant I am hunting.

Shit, I am looking for girls when I am just walking down the street.

I think this is a harder way to Game and you usually gotta get rejected more and do more approaches but so what, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Its true that "the freaks come out at night". But I try to find them during the day.

Post: #11

Agree with both of you guys, daygame and the girls you meet during the day are my preference but I could do with throwing some partying into the mix because these days it's hard to find girls that don't club at all and they will usually expect a guy to join in with it now and again otherwise you look a complete stick in the mud.

Lil tip I have picked up in regards to catching freaks that don't party: muslims girls. Not sure what it's like in the US, but in the UK we obviously have a big Pakistani population who almost all don't drink but the girls can still be completely sexual open and utterly wild in bed.

Post: #12

Try happy hours and places where people drink during the day. I like to party when the sun is up.

and maybe try online.

And at 22 years old, you should go to college. Thats where your girls are.

Post: #13

Yo Dude do daygame.
My buddy has his formula and has fucked 2 chicks in Toronto ever since coming here a few days ago.
Basically he approaches in the daytime, talks for 5-15 minutes and then asks her if she wants to go get a drink. If she is 18 then he invites her directly back to the house for drinks since 19 is the legal drinking age here. If she's older he might take her for a drink and then ask if she wants to go back to his house to get a drink(since its cheaper at his house). HE doesn't beat around the bush and makes up bullshit, he just asks them to go for a drink with him and I guess it works for him.
He then fucks them there.
He's very experienced so it works for him. I would imagine it would take a long time to refine that kind of formula for myself even when I do end up getting the logistics. For guys like us, day 2s are the way to go. We have to get very good at phone game and going on dates to get to that stage.

Post: #14

(06-21-2011 04:11 PM)Anonybrit Wrote:  I'm not looking for one night stands but more lots of passionate flings with good looking and interesting girls

If you want sex beyond a ONS with a girl, you have to fuck her good.

But let me add on to something, because I don't co-sign all these dudes advising you to completely avoid the club. While I do agree that night game is dying a terrible slow death, bars and clubs are still THE prime arenas for game. I understand that you may be looking for ass when you're on your lunch break, but some of these women are just looking for a sandwich on their lunch break. As a result, I think you have more unwilling participants in day game than you do night game.

Also, I don't know what type of women you like, but good luck gaming Latinas with some "I don't like to party" shit.

Post: #15

(06-21-2011 11:34 PM)jariel Wrote:  .... bars and clubs are still THE prime arenas for game. I understand that you may be looking for ass when you're on your lunch break, but some of these women are just looking for a sandwich on their lunch break. As a result, I think you have more unwilling participants in day game than you do night game.

Although I agree that some unknown percentage of women out in the day are just doing errands and don't really want sexual interaction, by screening for the ones that cue you (IOI) you can target much more accurately during the day than by blind chance.

And since he OP is an intellectual ( I read MDs have on average about 130 IQ- quite high) the women I believe he will be most interested in are not all that interested in spending hours in bars.

You don't hear a lot of new, interesting things in bars: people who like to DO things -- well, they're DOING THINGS- jamming (although that might be in a bar) , producing plays, riding their bicycles, watching movies.

So the OP, should he desire to do some night game, would be way better off to meet his type--someone he could get into a deep, passionate bond with-- in a theatre, bookstore, scenic spot--in my opinion, anyplace BUT a bar.

This is pure speculation, but a 9-10 intellectual chick might often avoid
bars intentionally or because she is busy doing more active things like going to the above activities-- also maybe because she is avoiding the boozehounds in the bar who aren't on her intellectual level and just embarrass her. If she wants a connection like the OP does, the last things she wants is to get gamed by a guy who'll fcuk her once then look for someone else the next day.

Even in the day women give out CUES like crazy. One guy I know (60+ lays, though mostly with whales) put it that men talking to women first is just a "formality."
Another person put it well, if she makes eye contact more than once with you, it's not an accident

They're subtle but you can learn to recognize it. You can just feel it in your body, that they're cuing you for attention.

As a physician who knows evolutionary theory and how deep and complex all our physical reactions are, you should know about
looking at the reciprocal primal cues/responses involved in mating behavior between receptive women and yourself.

Post: #16

(06-21-2011 11:34 PM)jariel Wrote:  Also, I don't know what type of women you like, but good luck gaming Latinas with some "I don't like to party" shit.

Haha nah, not really interested in latinas, black and indian girls are my forté to be honest. Indian girls you can completely get away without clubbing but black girls not so much.

(06-22-2011 12:01 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Even in the day women give out CUES like crazy. One guy I know (60+ lays, though mostly with whales) put it that men talking to women first is just a "formality."
Another person put it well, if she makes eye contact more than once with you, it's not an accident

They're subtle but you can learn to recognize it. You can just feel it in your body, that they're cuing you for attention.

You have nailed the kinds of girls I am looking for, spot on, and I am very good at picking up on the subtle clues you get during the day (to be honest, if you "feel" like she is interested, chance are you've subconsciously picked up on those little signs and she is, even if you're not entirely sure why you think that).

But at my age, everybody clubs at least a little. It's not that I am looking to meet girls in the club, but almost every girl I meet outside it is going to want to take me to one and it's probably after a night out with her that I'd be in with banging her.

Post: #17

This turned out to actually be a pretty good conversation. Once again, Giovonny drops some good insights about daygaming, which for guys who don't like to party is definitely the best route. I got to confess that last year when I was really dedicated to working on my game, I was doing a lot of day time approaches, but have since made zero efforts at day game. I got to change that.

Day game for sure requires a lot more patience and balls, as a lot of guys (myself included) use alcohol as a crutch to get the liquid courage to start approaching fearlessly. Obviously, the average high functioning person is not going to be drinking alcohol in the day time, so you got to have more confidence, balls, lack of fear/anxiety, and tighter game. I think doing both day game and night game simultaneously will help your game overall.

Krauser, who I don't follow, but is well respected has released a day game book, unfortunately costs $70, so I'm still debating on whether or not to buy it. I think we are all patiently waiting the release of Roosh's day game book, which I think he is predicting will be released in August.

I have recently really been realizing that a lot of girls that are all over the bar/club/party scene are stuck up bitches, staight up sluts, or have alcohol/emotional/psychological problems, or some combination of all three. Obviously, not all women at bars and clubs are going to be fucked up people, but your chances of meeting a down to earth, intelligent, interesting person will be a lot higher at a bookstore, coffee shop, natural food store, etc.

As I get older I'm realizing that I don't like staying up super late and not getting much sleep. I hate feeling like shit with hangovers. I'm on probation, so I can't risk a DUI. And hitting the gym, takes precedence over hitting the bottle. I guess it's time I step it up, and start approaching in the day time.

Post: #18

@Anonybrit

I am in a similar situation as you guys. I go to sleep real early at night and wake up mad early compared to most people I know. My friends would describe me as a health nut, so that probably has something to do with it. Missing sleep is such a bad idea in my opinion (but of course, 80/20 rule so sometimes I'll postpone my slumber).

Unlike you, I actually do enjoy club and bar environments.

I used to be very excuse-prone. I used to say I hated the beach when in the back of my mind I was just socially uncomfortable. When I hear people say they don't like to club or party, I get the feeling they are just not comfortable in those situations.

Have you heard of RSD's the Blueprint? He talks about being comfortable and trusting yourself in every situation you find yourself in. Having fun no matter what is going on. These are lofty goals for someone who comes from the opposite end of the spectrum, but they are things you should aim towards.

If you put me in a club 2 years ago, I would be having a dreadful time, not enjoying myself and being too self-conscious. Come out with me tomorrow night, you'll see me acting like an idiot and I'll be rocking a huge fucking smile.

Ultimately, I think saying "the people I could go out with suck" and "I don't dance" are just surface level excuses to your inability to be comfortable in a club. I don't mean to offend you, but rather help you identify what's going on.

Your thoughts on this?

Post: #19

Well I agree that I don't feel comfortable in that environment and it's been the case even since I was a kid, but the points about not having any real bros and not dancing are true too. I would be much more likely to go to a cool, chilled out bar with some guys I know and like to hang with, than to a cheesy dance club with a crowd of 10 other students I really don't find interesting.

I have to step it up to at least the point where I can go without hating it though, because like I say, even though most girls in the club are pissed up slappers not worth your time, and you're more likely to find you smart, edgy and more truly passionate girls during "day game", a lot of the time those girls are going to want to club with you anyway so it's a skill you need to have.

How did you change your attitude and mindset towards clubbing then?

Post: #20

^ What he said. If you don't go dancing/partying during college there is basically nothing else. Even if you meet a girl during the day she will try to get you to come to a party. They just can't seem to do any sort of relationship function without alcohol.

How is someone supposed to be having fun in a club? My experience is of being surrounded by a lot more attractive people than I, all drunk and grinding, music blasting so loud you can't hear yourself think, and watching other people get action while you stand there thinking to yourself "are we having fun yet?" Then you get to watch your friends pair off and disappear, leaving you to eventually wander back by yourself. Then the next day, you feel tired and shitty, and people are talking to each other about how awkwardly you dance, why you never go out, and how you didn't seem to enjoy it. Yeah, that's real awesome.

A bar or a party/get-together would be a different story, for me at least, because then I could talk to people. To quote Voltaire: "Give me 5 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I can bed the Queen of France."

Post: #21

Also keep in mind that there are many types of night time venues. Not all of them are douchebag filled clubs where you have to shout to be heard.

I'm not into the high energy game where you scream girls in the face just to be heard. I like quieter bars and lounges. Now that it's summer try some venues with outdoor areas. There are plenty of other options apart from the crappy clubs that your friends go to.

I know you're not in London but if you're ever going through there have a look at my London writeups. /thread-64-pos...l#pid49618

Go for the quieter venues. Conversation is possible in those places and they won't be full of idiots. You could also try local student pubs. Go early to avoid the drunk hordes and see if it grows on you. It has the benefits of night time spots, without some of the drawbacks like loud music, drunk idiots running amok. Certainly better than douchebag infested bump n grind places.

Post: #22

(06-22-2011 12:22 PM)thecrazyfool Wrote:  ^ What he said. If you don't go dancing/partying during college there is basically nothing else. Even if you meet a girl during the day she will try to get you to come to a party. They just can't seem to do any sort of relationship function without alcohol.

How is someone supposed to be having fun in a club? My experience is of being surrounded by a lot more attractive people than I, all drunk and grinding, music blasting so loud you can't hear yourself think, and watching other people get action while you stand there thinking to yourself "are we having fun yet?" Then you get to watch your friends pair off and disappear, leaving you to eventually wander back by yourself. Then the next day, you feel tired and shitty, and people are talking to each other about how awkwardly you dance, why you never go out, and how you didn't seem to enjoy it. Yeah, that's real awesome.

A bar or a party/get-together would be a different story, for me at least, because then I could talk to people. To quote Voltaire: "Give me 5 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I can bed the Queen of France."

Don't you kids have houseparties anymore?

You know, Girls, Chronic, Turntables and Booze?

(I am asking this seriously, because the house parties at the beach at my college have been pretty decimated by the Police State)

Post: #23

(06-22-2011 01:53 PM)Caligula Wrote:  Also keep in mind that there are many types of night time venues. Not all of them are douchebag filled clubs where you have to shout to be heard.

I'm not into the high energy game where you scream girls in the face just to be heard. I like quieter bars and lounges. Now that it's summer try some venues with outdoor areas. There are plenty of other options apart from the crappy clubs that your friends go to.

I know you're not in London but if you're ever going through there have a look at my London writeups. /thread-64-pos...l#pid49618

Go for the quieter venues. Conversation is possible in those places and they won't be full of idiots. You could also try local student pubs. Go early to avoid the drunk hordes and see if it grows on you. It has the benefits of night time spots, without some of the drawbacks like loud music, drunk idiots running amok. Certainly better than douchebag infested bump n grind places.

London would be a different story; classy bars, classy clubs, more interesting people.

Let's just say I live in a more Hull-like part of the country.

Yeah...

Post: #24

(06-22-2011 02:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Don't you kids have houseparties anymore?

You know, Girls, Chronic, Turntables and Booze?

(I am asking this seriously, because the house parties at the beach at my college have been pretty decimated by the Police State)

This may be a phenomenon restricted to my particular venue of higher education, but the only equivalent of what you're talking about is called "pre-gaming," which is just getting drunk to go out and get more drunk at the frat mansions, which are basically dance clubs. Any room-based party inevitably moves to one of the frat mansions. I'm still not sure what makes these places so uniquely miserable for me when everyone else seems to love them. Then again, I don't drink for medical reasons.

And crack? Turntables? This isn't the 90's anymore. Whatever Fresh Prince of Bel-Air-esque paradise once existed has now been replaced with Kei$ha hell.

Post: #25

(06-22-2011 04:38 PM)thecrazyfool Wrote:  

(06-22-2011 02:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Don't you kids have houseparties anymore?

You know, Girls, Chronic, Turntables and Booze?

(I am asking this seriously, because the house parties at the beach at my college have been pretty decimated by the Police State)

This may be a phenomenon restricted to my particular venue of higher education, but the only equivalent of what you're talking about is called "pre-gaming," which is just getting drunk to go out and get more drunk at the frat mansions, which are basically dance clubs. Any room-based party inevitably moves to one of the frat mansions. I'm still not sure what makes these places so uniquely miserable for me when everyone else seems to love them. Then again, I don't drink for medical reasons.

And crack? Turntables? This isn't the 90's anymore. Whatever Fresh Prince of Bel-Air-esque paradise once existed has now been replaced with Kei$ha hell.

Ha.

Classic. I remember when people first started saying "pre-gaming" and "pre-partying", they got dissed hard. It is just "partying" no need to categorize it. I am surprised those words carried on.

Yeah, beach parties in Southern California were where it was at, and great for when you were under 21; tons of girls, the beach, weed, drugs, it is too bad the cops clamped down so hard.

But back then you had 4000 people illegal parties on Extacy also. Those were the days as a baby G on the come up.

I would hate to be a youth today.

"And crack?"

Who is talking about crack? I was talking about weed, loc.