(02-20-2014 01:28 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I see post complaining that germans are cold and unperceptive. So are Slavic women. Damn near all of them will sit there and stare a wall silently while you talk. Theres almost no difference in first impression of Germans VS Slavs

Not really my experience. Russian and Czech girls were far more outgoing and friendly when I met them. They are fun to talk to. Most German women aren't. In fact, trying to have a cheerful conversation with them is a painful experience. They don't know how to flirt or joke. There was a post on ROK that summarizes it well: Don't ever expect to laugh with a German woman.

Quote:I see other post complaining that germany works hard on social circle game.
Where the fuck does social proof not work?!
Complaining about social circles says... you don't have the ability to actually make friends and are jealous that you can't access that environment.
That isn't a fault of the country..that's a fault you have

True... if you're moving to a country to live in. But bear in mind that a lot of the guys here will be shorter term visitors and without the time and patience to develop a proper social circle. Absolutely nothing wrong with preferring to travel to a country where social circle matters less for access to local poon, especially for those who are looking for a more exciting and intense experience.

(02-20-2014 01:28 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I see other post complaining that germany works hard on social circle game.
Where the fuck does social proof not work?!
Complaining about social circles says... you don't have the ability to actually make friends and are jealous that you can't access that environment.
That isn't a fault of the country..that's a fault you have

Not sure if that's directed at my comment. If so, I wasn't trying to imply that the dominance of social circle game means you can't get laid, only that you shouldn't go there expecting to find the same (widespread) one-night-stand culture you find in other countries.

If you do that, at least at a club in an average university town, then I think you likely will experience more difficulties. This, however, simply means you have to play the field differently. You can absolutely get laid in Germany, but you need to be mindful of the culture, especially in a nightclub.

For instance, I would advise against going out to clubs alone if it can be avoided (you'll likely just look like a weirdo). If you go with a group, make sure it's with a group of guys who are like-minded and aren't just gonna look at you funny if your more into approaching women than getting piss drunk. If you have to game alone, daygame is far more suitable for that, in my experience. Starbucks game, or uni-cafeteria game always works well, too.

If your Black, you'll probably have a bonus if you seek out the local hiphop clubs, as a lot of the girls there are into Black guys and might be more DTF.

As Shotgun mentioned -- and I hadn't thought about this before -- if a guy is just traveling there and doesn't have time to build a real social circle, I can imagine Germany might be tougher to crack in a short timespan, at least if you're trying to bang a local. Though, again, Hamburg and Berlin might be different.

However, as I said, while you certainly won't starve there, it's not a place I'd recommend specifically for hooking up with girls.

(02-20-2014 06:13 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  As a native, I can say that the pics posted by Source are a good representation of the average German 6-7. I'm into black girls and hence, blondes are not my cup of tea in particular, but I'd still bang most of the girls he posted.

Again respect for being honest.
Now they i've quelled the though of average german chicks being ugly.. post will either move on to the attitude of Germans or people saying " but quality is much better in *** " even though they aren't getting laid there either.

(02-20-2014 06:48 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 01:28 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I see post complaining that germans are cold and unperceptive. So are Slavic women. Damn near all of them will sit there and stare a wall silently while you talk. Theres almost no difference in first impression of Germans VS Slavs

Not really my experience. Russian and Czech girls were far more outgoing and friendly when I met them. They are fun to talk to. Most German women aren't. In fact, trying to have a cheerful conversation with them is a painful experience. They don't know how to flirt or joke. There was a post on ROK that summarizes it well: Don't ever expect to laugh with a German woman.

Quote:I see other post complaining that germany works hard on social circle game.
Where the fuck does social proof not work?!
Complaining about social circles says... you don't have the ability to actually make friends and are jealous that you can't access that environment.
That isn't a fault of the country..that's a fault you have

True... if you're moving to a country to live in. But bear in mind that a lot of the guys here will be shorter term visitors and without the time and patience to develop a proper social circle. Absolutely nothing wrong with preferring to travel to a country where social circle matters less for access to local poon, especially for those who are looking for a more exciting and intense experience.

Are you sure you were in Germany? You're quoting an ROK article thats full of filler bullshit, opinion and hype to get views and cause drama
Quoting the article
http://www.returnofkings.com/11356/germa...-graveyard

Quote: Do not expect to laugh with a German girl or enjoy a home cooked meal. German women tend to look, act, and dress the exact same; if you’ve met one, chances are, you’ve met them all.

Youth wise
German college culture isnt really dorm life. Most people live in apartments and whatnot..and cook their own meals.

I've rarely met germans Female OR Male that can't cook a homecooked meal.
Every young chick ive dates has cooked for me at some point. My personal friends foreign and german have similar experiences.
Hell..it doesn't mean shit..but my guy friends got me a cookbook as a joke cause they said I was suck a shit cook compared to them.
If you wanna go further into cultural history.
Women were just nazi breeders. Their job was to support the man and the homeland.
Older German women are excellent cooks( I personally don't like a lot of german foods though) for what it is worth.
And I can assure that those older moms have passed down cooking to their daughters.

Quote:The club rats are typically young students (18-25) and spend at least three days per week snorting amphetamines and taking home random Turks or Africans from clubs. Being an articulate, well-educated Westerner is not an advantage at all, even if you can speak the language fluently; neofeminism has convinced them they must prove they are not Nazis (a subconscious result of German post-war guilt) by sleeping with 10 off-the-boat immigrants per weekend. It’s important to note, however, that being an American doesn’t put you into this category. Avoid these women like the plague.

Office ghosts tend to be attractive, young professionals with tolerable personalities, yet are extremely difficult to find in a social setting outside of work. Practice your day game and head to the nearest Rewe grocery store (one of the more expensive stores, often frequented by young professionals) or book store. Keep in mind, this group still possesses a cold, skeptical, and distant personality when approached by a stranger, so keep your expectations low.

This is just laughable.
This is clearly written by a person that simply is made that German chicks aren't interested in banging him. He is now simply mad because he has seen foreigners do better than him.
This is the same reason some americans don't like foreigners in their country either.

secondly. ha The officer worker girls go out just as much as anyone else. Happy hour has caught in germany just as much as anywhere else.
What places have you realistically been to..where the goodie goodie office girl is gonna jump your bones for no reason?

The only thing true in these paragraphs is

Quote:Being an articulate, well-educated Westerner is not an advantage at all

Some people say Germans are cold. Ive and friends of mine have had great receptive conversations with all age groups in Germany.
That old Cold War attitude has faded a lot.
Now people aren't so much cold..as they are cautious. If you have nothing to offer and they aren't attracted to you...why would they want to humor you with conversation?

I find the same attitudes with both slavic and balkan girls to many degrees.
A lot of people seem to feel entitled.
Another quote from the article

Quote:don’t be fooled by the rumors of quality beer and blondes in “dirndel” dresses. Germany has become a social graveyard with only a few old cathedrals and soccer games worth visiting. Save your money, head to a country with more hospitable people and weather, and you won’t regret it.

A lot of people clearly ARE clearly fooled by the rumors of hot friendly blonds and whatnot
Most of the members on this board are American.
By now we should have figured out that like 30 percent of americans claim some sort of german ancestory.
Of course you have heard great things about german...Then you finally set foot on the ground and get jades and overwhelmed by reality.
Germany doesn't even have as many blondes as you would be led to believe, (thats been noted also)
(Dont argue the beer quality though)

Quote:Being an articulate, well-educated Westerner is not an advantage at all

Many members of this board travel and arent already greatly successful in the places they are from..Realistically..you won't be successful here either.

Charge it to the game

(02-20-2014 06:13 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  As a native, I can say that the pics posted by Source are a good representation of the average German 6-7. I'm into black girls and hence, blondes are not my cup of tea in particular, but I'd still bang most of the girls he posted.

This is the difference. If you come from slavic countries or the Balkans the quality of girls in the pics is unacceptable.

(02-21-2014 01:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 06:13 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  As a native, I can say that the pics posted by Source are a good representation of the average German 6-7. I'm into black girls and hence, blondes are not my cup of tea in particular, but I'd still bang most of the girls he posted.

This is the difference. If you come from slavic countries or the Balkans the quality of girls in the pics is unacceptable.

This!
Thats exactly the problem ... that these broads get rated 6-7 in Germany.

In slavic countries they wouldnt even appear on your radar. They would be literally invisible.

Quote: post will either move on to the attitude of Germans or people saying " but quality is much better in *** " even though they aren't getting laid there either.

Thats nice man... so everyone who doesnt agree with your stance on German chicks is a chump and cant get laid. I might as well call you out for having no standards

Jesus guys I know you have it bad in the UK and US but seriously saying German chicks isnt as bad as US or UK girls... doesnt make them great. Is that the gold standard we have here now? That the chicks are not complete garbage but a little step up over the absolute bottom of the barrel?

You could move just a couple of hours east into Poland or the czech Republic and have lot nicer and hotter girls. I have lived on both sides of the border... have done hundreds of approaches in Gerrmany and the Czech Republic... pulled from Daygame and Nightgame in both countries.

There isnt even a competition Czech Republic beats Germany in every aspect!

And now dont give that bullshit that Im a slavophile or that its so hard to get laid in EE. Those countrys arent even eastern Europe, theyre central europe for starters. Maybe to a foreigner the girls here all look the same but for a guy who has lived here all his life they look very different.

We can all agree to disagree but I find it highly distasteful that you come here and piss all over the opinion of natives about their homecountry, telling them theyre basically wrong and just cant get laid... just because you are happy to bang the chicks they dont even want. And then you spout complete nonsense about Poland being a "borderline third world country" and that theres "no difference between Slavs and Germans".

I still stand by everything I said before. If you have the ability to travel and consider going to Germany for the chicks... I would advise you to skip the country.

Why would you come here, when a couple of hours east by car/train you can find significantly hotter and friendlier girls? If for some unfortunate reason youre stuck in Germany you can go after foreign girls... theres Turkish/arab girls who can be really hot (though a bit ghetto sometimes and watch out for their backwards families)... theres EE girls (who have often been assimliated and dress ugly like the german women) and black women from Africa... all of them look better than German women. Daygame is your best option or you can troll erasmus parties at your university.

But sure if youre happy banging mousy girls who dress like slobs, then Germany is a poosy paradise.

(02-21-2014 01:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 06:13 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  As a native, I can say that the pics posted by Source are a good representation of the average German 6-7. I'm into black girls and hence, blondes are not my cup of tea in particular, but I'd still bang most of the girls he posted.

This is the difference. If you come from slavic countries or the Balkans the quality of girls in the pics is unacceptable.

I'm sure you are banging 10s all day long. Good for you.

(02-21-2014 05:46 AM)w00t Wrote:  I still stand by everything I said before. If you have the ability to travel and consider going to Germany for the chicks... I would advise you to skip the country.

True. As I said before, going there just for girls is pretty pointless, since the average is not as good as in other countries. Still, it's not Guatemala or Bolivia...

(10-14-2013 08:10 AM)w00t Wrote:  Im as white as you can get and think white women are overrated.
Noting gets me hard like thick black chicks or brow/yellow asian girls.

so you're German..And you don't even like white girls.
This is a common thing that guys escape their own county when they can't do well or simply aren't interested in them

You have claimed that there aren't high level girls in Germany..not only would that make you biased, but I would like to know where you are from that you couldn't find high level chicks.
have you been to big German cities?
Its not hard at all to find 8+ in germany.
Ive done it in big cities and small bumfuck german towns.

I'm more into black girls and latinas myself, but I don't discriminate against blondes. If a chick is tight, she's tight and I want to put my penis inside her.

In the DR they say "Pa lo guto, lo colore" which would be like the German "Jeder soll nach seiner Façon selig werden". And while the typical German girl is not exactly my type and there are countries with more beautiful girls (for me Argentina, Colombia, DR) the German baseline is still very acceptable and there are indeed quite a few 8+ walking around. You guys are just painting a picture way to bleak for me.

(02-21-2014 10:42 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  This is a common thing that guys escape their own county when they can't do well or simply aren't interested in them

You have claimed that there aren't high level girls in Germany..not only would that make you biased, but I would like to know where you are from that you couldn't find high level chicks.
have you been to big German cities?
Its not hard at all to find 8+ in germany.

I agree, you can definitely find them, the only question is whether you can actually pull them.

Although individual tastes may vary, it's not like I really see anything wrong with the girls in your pics. I used to be based in Germany and if my game had been sufficient to consistently pull girls of that caliber, I probably never would have left the building.

Could I learn how to do it if I were to level up my game? Yeah... probably.

But realistically speaking, for me, that would have meant a multi-year time investment.

The bottom line was that I decided I would be better off in the long run spending that time instead to become location-independent and then to relocate to a better country. So that is what I did.

It all boils down to a cost-benefit analysis of how you want to spend your time in life and how different options compare to each other.

Quote:so you're German..And you don't even like white girls.
This is a common thing that guys escape their own county when they can't do well or simply aren't interested in them

You have claimed that there aren't high level girls in Germany..not only would that make you biased, but I would like to know where you are from that you couldn't find high level chicks.
have you been to big German cities?
Its not hard at all to find 8+ in germany.
Ive done it in big cities and small bumfuck german towns.

I live in a provincial town with 600.000 people and Im not gonna disclose my location.
Of course I have been to bigger cities.

You keep putting words in my mouth man.

I never said I dont like white women. I said they are overrated.
I never said there are no high-level girls in Germany. Obvously you have high-level talent in every country. I said the overall quality is poor.

Sure if you rate those girls in the pictures 6s and 7s... then you will find many 8s.

Frankly I dont even care what you think about German girls. If you like them, great!
I just dont appreciate you coming here, saying "yall are wrong" and then insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

By and large it is a question of degustibus as well.There are certain Germanic women lovers who sacrifice on German women and there are die hard slavophiles.Taste has a lot to do with it(eg guys prefering the symmetric noses of Germanic women or their thinner lips or their body structure even.However guys paying attention to fuller lips,asses,breasts and slender legs will unavoidably gravitate towards slavic women).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_gustibus...isputandum

The beauty usually promoted by Hollywood is the usual Germanic beauty since Germans and English were the largest and most affluent minority groups in US.The same most models are of Germanic origin since the audience for expensive clothes cannot identify itself with slavic women appearance.

(02-20-2014 02:11 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  To me..These are decent averages.
6-7's in terms of germans girls I would see on a daily basis across the different cities in germany.
Minus 1 pictures..these arent girls with heavy make up or girls dressed up really nice. These are big club pictures
If you honestly can consistently say that you wouldnt bang girls like this. just leave the thread and don't bother the people that would

holy fuck! a lot of those girls are 7s to 8s for me! those chicks would be getting chased like crazy here in california!

man.......California is truly a fucked up place........

(02-20-2014 05:29 PM)loveblondes Wrote:  This post made me laugh, comparing american women to German is a joke, obesity levels in germany are about 13% compared to the 35-36% in the States. NO country in Europe has a so terrific average as the US ( UK and Ireland aside). Germany has a lot of nice women, healthier looking, more natural and slender/taller on average than your women in the anglosphere (who tends to be short and chubby more often than not, just look at the british women...). You have many beautiul blonde women in Germany, which I cant say of the UK and the US where the vast majority of the blonde women are peroxide retards with skyrocketing self steem levels due to a group of beta anglo men worshiping them all the time. German women are also much smarter on average than the women from the anglosphere..

^that,

If you know the places , there certainly is enough talent in Germany.
Unfortunetly you can't just walk into any place/city here and expect beautiful girls, like in EE.

Atleast here every place shares a certain group of people, you can walk into one location, find ugly fat chicks and then you go 2 corners further somewhere else inside and suddenly you have beauties in high heels and short dresses .
Often it's just this one club, on a certain day , where you'll find yourself surrounded by stunning girls.
It's not easy to find such a place, and even then it's not guaranteed it'll stay like that.
Problem is also the beauties here certainly have (quite) high standards, so you'll have to compete with tall intelligent good looking germans that have a secure job and make good money.
Here comes the point where you can compete with them: high energy and game (being exotic only counts if you're from a western or latin (Romania excluded lol) country everything else is a downgrade).
You need to have a high energy level, because the top shelf looks girls themselves mostly have low energy and expect you to entertain them, otherwise the conversation will die off very quick.
I think that's also why many Americans and Australians have success here, because they have a quite high energy level, are open, talk all the time, are not shy and just plow through (also western exotic level). All these things most german guys lack of.

It's not like in slavic countries were women will date downwards in looks and eagerly contribute to the conversation.
In my opinion, if you want high quality in Germany, you definetly have bring something to the table here, especially looks, unless you really do excel at something else, like money or fame.

An example, these two clubs in Cologne are not further away from each other than a few hundred meters:
All girls in Club 1# look like this
   
   

All girls in Club 2# look like this
   
   


I guess one can see the difference, but same city, same quarter, just a 2 minute walk away from each other.

If you suck at game and never pulled much , you'll pull some more in Poland, but you'll pull next to nothing in Germany.

I remember a while back I went to Berlin. I saw many hot girls. Nothing like a good blonde German girl. Cannot wait to go there in the near future.

(02-17-2014 10:49 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 10:44 AM)Frank Wrote:  So, what do you think of the women there and how did you adjust your game?

I adjusted my game by leaving the country.

I visited once. Met german chick. I literally escaped in the middle of the night, by the forest, hopped on a morning train and flew out from Stug airport.
Had to leave half my clothes behind. Yes women that bad.

Where's the point in posting pics from the clubs, 3 selected photos don't prove nothing if it comes about a quality of women there.

I lived in Germany (Stuttgart and closest villages) for a while and I can assure you that it was really, really hard to find an 8', not mentioning pulling her because you'll always get cockblocked by either her friends or hundred lads moving around her.

Like it was posted above, the only acceptable place to visit is Berlin and not because of the better quality of german women, there are simply more foreigners here.

Don't even try to compare Germany to Poland, Czech Rep or Balkans, there's no comparision, it's like comparing old, used bike to brand-new Ferrari.

German women(and Austrian) are the only women I have encountered more lacking in femininity than American women. It's not just fashion, they don't know how to interact with a man. It's no wonder the country's dying off.

(02-22-2014 11:06 AM)Booyah Wrote:  Where's the point in posting pics from the clubs, 3 selected photos don't prove nothing if it comes about a quality of women there.

I lived in Germany (Stuttgart and closest villages) for a while and I can assure you that it was really, really hard to find an 8', not mentioning pulling her because you'll always get cockblocked by either her friends or hundred lads moving around her.

Like it was posted above, the only acceptable place to visit is Berlin and not because of the better quality of german women, there are simply more foreigners here.

Don't even try to compare Germany to Poland, Czech Rep or Balkans, there's no comparision, it's like comparing old, used bike to brand-new Ferrari.

Well thats the point, that's why I posted the pictures, because you need to know where specifically to go, otherwise you'll be dissappointed. Stuttgart is really bad though, I've already heard it's not a good place to pull girls.
I repeat , if you really want to pull good stuff here, you need to bring above average qualities to the table, especially looks and a high energy level.

For some guys Germany is hell , for others it seems to be close to heaven.


Imho, it all depends on where you're from and what girls you target. Like Branimir explained, if you're from a culture that promotes extraversion ( Anglo-Saxon and latin countries come to mind) you can do pretty well in Germany. German women yearn for guys who are outgoing, lead and are great conversationalists, all which German guys usually suck at. And since German guys don't approach outside of their social circle ( if at all), you'll pretty much have any club for yourself.

However, Germany is still a rather reserved country and the concept of making new friends quickly or hooking up with strangers for ONS is not a part of German culture...people are sceptical of strangers and find it odd that a stranger would start a conversation with them. If I look around, alsmost everyone I know has met his girl at university or at work while online dating also seems to be gaining popularity. It's therefore no wonder that you'll see many guys with a high social status/money/looks with mediocre women...theoretically they could have done much better but how are you even going to find and pull a hot women if social dynamics are as difficult as they are in this country.

What you normally see when going out at night is groups of 2-3 girls having a conversation for hours or dancing together in a club without being approached by a guy the whole night. Same thing with guys. I've had younger dudes come up to dance with me in a club on several occasions since they were uneasy to dance alone or too shy to dance with a girl... and there was no homo vibe going on, pretty sad actually.

I think the German concept of night life is really a joke anyway. You might as well stay at home and invite your close friends over if you aren't interested in meeting new people and try your best to keep others out of your circle.

I'm therefore seriously considering moving close to the Polish/Czech border or leaving the country alltogether because for me the place sucks in terms of women.

Germany does have a few looking women but not in the abundance of Slavic or Scandinavian countries, on top of that they are often not to be found in the night life. And since I'm rather looking for university students or at least girls with looks and brains with the goal of a LTR in mind, I need to rely on social circle game which doesn't work for me as I left university.

(02-22-2014 12:13 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  German women(and Austrian) are the only women I have encountered more lacking in femininity than American women. It's not just fashion, they don't know how to interact with a man. It's no wonder the country's dying off.

Yes, believe it or not, but American women often appear to me as being more feminine than German women. The lovely German Fräuleins is a thing of the past.

This German border is a marvel of nature.If you visit the two sides of the same city(eg Görlitz,Zgorzelec) you will be amazed by the vast differences of girls' appearance although they are only separated by a 100 m bridge.

(02-21-2014 04:03 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  By and large it is a question of degustibus as well.There are certain Germanic women lovers who sacrifice on German women and there are die hard slavophiles.Taste has a lot to do with it(eg guys prefering the symmetric noses of Germanic women or their thinner lips or their body structure even.However guys paying attention to fuller lips,asses,breasts and slender legs will unavoidably gravitate towards slavic women).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_gustibus...isputandum

The beauty usually promoted by Hollywood is the usual Germanic beauty since Germans and English were the largest and most affluent minority groups in US.The same most models are of Germanic origin since the audience for expensive clothes cannot identify itself with slavic women appearance.

I think this is why so many models come from the former Czechoslovakia. The women have slavic bodies without an overly slavic face due to the German influence. Best of both worlds, imho.

(02-22-2014 03:07 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 04:03 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  By and large it is a question of degustibus as well.There are certain Germanic women lovers who sacrifice on German women and there are die hard slavophiles.Taste has a lot to do with it(eg guys prefering the symmetric noses of Germanic women or their thinner lips or their body structure even.However guys paying attention to fuller lips,asses,breasts and slender legs will unavoidably gravitate towards slavic women).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_gustibus...isputandum

The beauty usually promoted by Hollywood is the usual Germanic beauty since Germans and English were the largest and most affluent minority groups in US.The same most models are of Germanic origin since the audience for expensive clothes cannot identify itself with slavic women appearance.

I think this is why so many models come from the former Czechoslovakia. The women have slavic bodies without an overly slavic face due to the German influence. Best of both worlds, imho.

I agree.Although there are differences between Moravan and Bohemian phenotype,the classic Czech beauty does not have elongated nose,mouse eyes,thin hair or round chin as polish women tend to do.On the other hand she possesses extra large breasts which comfortably antagonize the polish melons and very noteworthy ass again in line with the polish plump ass.So in general Czech are top of the top a constant source of admiration and a nation used by Germans for some beauty genes import.
Legs as in the whole slavic world are stratospheric and easily make you forget the Germanic extra fat or extra thin aka stork legs.
What Czech girls do not have are the common thick BJ lips of Russian and polish women they possess the more strict Germanic lip design although not to the same level of thinness uselessness.Eyes are big and have the green colours of the Eastern European valleys.Generally a comfort zone for the Balkan rider.