Post: #1

Here's a little theory I've been developing, inadvertently.

It applies to relationship game, but could well be part of mini-relationship strategy (my preferred).

Theory:

You meet a girl and invest ONLY time. No kissing, sex or anything in between. You keep the game high and tease often. Getting them as close to the tipping point (walking away) as possible.

Attraction is super high. Your value is super high. And she's begging for it.

Then you bang.

The result of this, is a woman who practically lives to serve you. Cooks, cleans, drives you around, etc.

The most important aspect to this, is that you frame yourself as the forbidden fruit.

Great if you're in to relationships.

In Practice:

Gamed a girl, back when I was in a LTR. To the point where she was in my bed, begging. I was out of the LTR so that was that...

What followed was incredible. I literally turned in to this girls world.

But I thought that perhaps this is the pre-selection principle coming in to play.

Until...

I have been gaming a girl slowly for the last month and a half, to test this theory.

I have spent around 5 nights with her.

Push-pulling.

And last night I got a text...

"Are we allowed to kiss yet?"

I know I'm doing it right.

Now the great thing is, this girl is beginning to do things for me.

Acting in a real submissive way...

Exactly what you want in a relationship.

I'm going to see how far I can take this before giving her the forbidden fruit...

Principles To It

It's basically normal game. Treat her how you would any other girl to get the bang.

However, you need to show some BETA traits every now and then. To make her feel comfortable.

If anyone has read any of Athol Kay's stuff, you'll know why it is important.

EDIT: Very important to keep intent semi-clear as to not get friend zoned.

Interested to know what you guys think,

Chris

Post: #2

The theory is sound and I've used it before though admittedly mostly inadvertently but no doubt it works.

What did I mean by inadvertently? I would be 'slow' gaming these girls because my attraction was not super high but still high enough that they knew I liked them and wanted the bang. I would be quite aloof and sometimes would take up to even 2 months to meet these girls by that time a large amount of tension had been built and when I did get the bang the girls were very invested in me.

Withholding sex initially can be very powerful. David Shade is a massive proponent of this and I'm a big believer in it. I only do this if it's a quality girl if I know I want to keep around otherwise i'll go for the ONS.

Also could you expand on specifically how you keep your intent semi-clear?

Post: #3

Needs more data

Post: #4

I thought this was about LTR game and withholding intimacy in order to get her to crave your (and only your) attention.

That's what I've done in all my LTRs. No kissing hello/goodbye. No "your sooo beautiful today baby". No tags, pokes, status updates, or commenting on their shit on fb. None of that intimate affectionate stuff. The most public affection I would normally give my LTRs was an ass slap in a public place. They claimed they hated it, but I know better than to believe what they said.

Then you fuck her with the fury of a starving wolf. Afterwards is when you cuddle her a bit, kiss her on the forehead, tell her that she is beautiful, etc. Follow up with a slap on the ass and tell her to make you a sammich.

The contrast always keeps them on their toes and keeps their respect for you.

Maybe that has some relation to what your talking about.

Post: #5

This may work well if you have an abundance mentality because you could withhold sex with girl a but then actually have sex with one of your regulars. However I don't see this working if your not spinning a lot of plates as I imagine you'd want to bang her as fast as possible.

Post: #6

Couldn't you become too distant to keep it going for any significant period of time?

Post: #7

(01-03-2014 10:00 AM)PompeyChris Wrote:  EDIT: Very important to keep intent semi-clear as to not get friend zoned.
Interested to know what you guys think,

Chris

I think this would only work when dating women who are beneath you in the sexual market value system (e.g. have no other options). Otherwise, modern hamsters have so many options and distractions that they could quickly ditch you next week for someone better while you are still trying this system out.

If you are dating at or with in the range of your own sexual market value the general rule is to escalate as quickly as possible. Girls will always forgive for being too aggressive.

Spending 5 nights with a girl and no kiss--already sounds like friend-zone. How much have you spent on her so far all in?

The only example of this kind of game I have come across. My current LTR girl dated an Indian guy (from India) a while back. He took her out like a proper gentleman, spending money on dinner, etc. The guy had pretty high value--structural engineer, good money, tall, had his own place. They went out on nice dates, but he never tried to touch her except after 3 dates asked if they could hold hands (she said yes).

After the 4th date and still no kiss, my LTR girl was not amused by the lack of affection (it had become an issue) and point blank asked him if he liked her. He said yes, and she asked why he had never even tried to kiss her. He said it was a sign of respect for her and showed he valued her, etc. Conclusion--they went out a few more times (and yes he finally got a kiss sometime) and then she ended it citing cultural issues. No bang for him and she is no way a virgin.

Post: #8

1- works on all types of girls.it depends on the rest of your game.

2- you get ENORMOUS power in the relationship. Observe how most girls who are attracted to you will revert to offering sex(subtly or otherwise) as a last resort when they feel they're losing you.
You essentially strip girls away of their power and BECOME the gatekeeper of sex.

3- chances are, you'll get cheated on.

4-you risk gaining TOO much power in the relationship, destroying the girl and losing interest in the relationship.

5- unless you're a power hungry masochist who gets his kicks from massive power imbalances this is not sustainable in a relationship and you will eventually come out disillusioned and feeling hollow.

6-works best with harems or short term relationships.

7-should be applied in relationships OCCASIONALLY to wrest control or mindfuck the girl.

8- similar in concept to not cumming inside a girl regularly, bondage, and domination.

9- risk of developing a crack-whorish addiction to power struggles if you're good at it.

10- ....

Post: #9

Remember Law 16 from The 48 Laws of Power ... Use absence to increase respect and honor

The more you are seen and heard from, the more common you will appear ... You must learn when to leave. Create value through scarcity

Post: #10

(01-03-2014 01:33 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  I thought this was about LTR game and withholding intimacy in order to get her to crave your (and only your) attention.

That's what I've done in all my LTRs. No kissing hello/goodbye. No "your sooo beautiful today baby". No tags, pokes, status updates, or commenting on their shit on fb. None of that intimate affectionate stuff. The most public affection I would normally give my LTRs was an ass slap in a public place. They claimed they hated it, but I know better than to believe what they said.

Then you fuck her with the fury of a starving wolf. Afterwards is when you cuddle her a bit, kiss her on the forehead, tell her that she is beautiful, etc. Follow up with a slap on the ass and tell her to make you a sammich.

The contrast always keeps them on their toes and keeps their respect for you.

Maybe that has some relation to what your talking about.

Agree with the above, except the ass-slapping is supposed to happen during sex, not after. Great Post.

Withholding sex and intimacy is a very powerful move if you are going for LTR. I still engage in make-out sessions and fondling but tell them they have to wait for the bang. Abundance mentality. Plus you are never dealing with LMR, once a girl comes into my bedroom, she can't wait to get down and dirty.

Once it's in their head they are chasing you instead of the reverse, you are 2 steps ahead of every other guy. Also this gives you more power in the bedroom.

Needless to say, never comment on their FB, twitter, instagram, anything like that. Keep all comments on their looks neutral until you are having sex, and then you tell her just like AntiT said.

Post: #11

I've run this game plenty. Once you've got your hooks in a girl, it is amazing how desperate they will become for your cock. I actually had a girl attempt to rape me once, because I wouldn't give it to her.

Funny stuff.

Post: #12

Yep.

It's a step in Deep Conversion.