Post: #51

Come on.... I'll prove guys and girls are friends all the time.

I'm sure all of you either now or at one point had a chubby/fat chick friend. She was probably funny or cool in some way. Maybe she hung out and watched football and was funnier than your dude friends. Did fucking her ever cross your mind for long? Doubt it.

Bam....myth busted.

Truth is that there are tons of girls around us in our lives that are 4's and 5's. But we might like them anyhow for whatever reason. Or they just end up in "the gang".

Dudes friendzone girls also.....works both ways.

Post: #52

(12-19-2013 10:13 AM)kavakid Wrote:  Come on.... I'll prove guys and girls are friends all the time.

I'm sure all of you either now or at one point had a chubby/fat chick friend. She was probably funny or cool in some way. Maybe she hung out and watched football and was funnier than your dude friends. Did fucking her ever cross your mind for long? Doubt it.

Bam....myth busted.

Truth is that there are tons of girls around us in our lives that are 4's and 5's. But we might like them anyhow for whatever reason. Or they just end up in "the gang".

Dudes friendzone girls also.....works both ways.

Myth not busted.

Who hangs out with fat chicks to watch football? I've never done that. I've also never met a girl funnier or more fun than my guy friends.

There isn't a single girl I've ever met that I'd choose to hang out with over my friends, if I wasn't trying to fuck her.

Apparently some dudes like to go to the movies, lunch, shopping, etc. with chicks but I don't. The only chicks I'd want to do that with are chicks I'm fucking. I just don't have chick friends who are not my friends girlfriends or wives. I have one girl who almost falls into that category, but I wouldn't pick her over my guy friends to kick it with. I know tons of girls from high school and shit that I like, and that I'll say whats up to at the bar, but I don't kick it with them otherwise.

I dunno, maybe I'm weird, but I don't get dudes who would rather kick it with girls, and have girl best friends, and that type of shit. It's weird to me.

Post: #53

Soup, it sounds like this process you describe is for exceptional women, where you will have the patience and continued interest to deal with this shit test and work it over time by consistently testing the boundaries of the friendship, through physicality and attempting to build intimacy though the trust she might have for you.

I am in the same scenario that AntiTrace described, but I friendzoned her for other reasons. We could have hooked up within days of meeting, but over the last six months we have developed a friendship, albeit one that would become fwb as soon as I had her over.

The only time I was friend zoned I was 17. She went off to college, and I came to visit at one of her parties. She friend zoned me so hard I was devastated , my friends were so pissed at me for acting so beta over it. That's why I hate this stupid term, its an immature term for high schoolers, mature adults tell each other to fuck off more or less if they really don't like each other. If a girl is slow and doesn't kiss much and is blaise over text, her level of beauty will gauge my level of boredom.

Post: #54

I have several female friends who all add enormous amounts of value. That quota is now full.

Any girl I meet for a date literally has about an hour, if there is no vibe/connection/spark. I'm bouncing out and off to shoot pool with my buddies or grab some dinner. It doesn't matter how fly/hot the girl is I'm not in the business of wasting time.

Post: #55

(12-28-2013 01:07 AM)donslim Wrote:  Any girl I meet for a date literally has about an hour, if there is no vibe/connection/spark. I'm bouncing out and off to shoot pool with my buddies or grab some dinner. It doesn't matter how fly/hot the girl is I'm not in the business of wasting time.

I totally agree and do the same thing. I will bounce also if I don't have a good vibe, connection, or spark. Why waste the time. You will know will pretty quick if a chick is feeling you.

Post: #56

Of course the friendzone exists! It's where you put the ugly women that you're socially-obligated to remain in contact with.

When you cross a certain level of fitness, women act very different, (less bitchiness, far more feminine), around you. They'll want to around you and involved in your life because of your aura of dominance and success and you're stuck with their objectification and what would be sexual-harrassment if the sexes were reversed due to work, friend or family committments.

For example, here's an old training mate from my gym on my facebook who moved up north for his boxing career. The power is constantly in his hands with women. Posted a new profile pic 2 days ago, look at the response already. I annotated it with my thoughts. Notice how all the manosphere-assumed cuntiness and power dynamics simply aren't in play. And yes, his girlfriend is a nine: a swimsuit model with a tiny waist. *Raises glass*

Become a big guy. It's next level. It's why I rarely night-game anymore. I don't need to.

(I'd like to strangle whatever idiot came up with the 'Poke'. Man, the ugly, entitled women who think they're in with a chance with a guy like me).

Post: #57

Sure, I have friend zoned a couple of girls who were below my standards (too fat). And, sure, I enjoy their company once in a blue moon even if I will never bang them. Girls mind the "friend zone" a lot less than guys for biological reasons (as long as the girl has one beta provider banging her and helping pay her bills, she's good, while guys always want to bang one more girl).

Post: #58

Anon, that's cool - I'm going to try to get bigger too.

Post: #59

(12-28-2013 08:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  When you cross a certain level of fitness, women act very different, (less bitchiness, far more feminine), around you. They'll want to around you and involved in your life because of your aura of dominance and success and you're stuck with their objectification and what would be sexual-harrassment if the sexes were reversed due to work, friend or family committments.

I've put on about 15lbs of muscle over the past year (and I wasn't a small guy to begin with). The difference in the way women treat me is striking. I now regularly get felt up. Chicks will talk to me, grab my arm, then molest my tricep. One thing I've noticed is that my number of single female friends has plummeted. They've either fucked me or become cunty enough I no longer want to hang around them (or in a few cases both).

Post: #60

(12-30-2013 11:57 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  When you cross a certain level of fitness, women act very different, (less bitchiness, far more feminine), around you. They'll want to around you and involved in your life because of your aura of dominance and success and you're stuck with their objectification and what would be sexual-harrassment if the sexes were reversed due to work, friend or family committments.

I've put on about 15lbs of muscle over the past year (and I wasn't a small guy to begin with). The difference in the way women treat me is striking. I now regularly get felt up. Chicks will talk to me, grab my arm, then molest my tricep. One thing I've noticed is that my number of single female friends has plummeted. They've either fucked me or become cunty enough I no longer want to hang around them (or in a few cases both).

I can attest to this as well. My gains have been stupidly gradual over a whole year with a mix of a bad routine and diet. Once I got both of those unlocked, I started seeing the results from the lizards.

Pook had a great post on the muscle effect:

Quote:"155

I started out around 155 pounds at 6?3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ?below? them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

165

Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don?t think I?m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ?unworthy? girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I?m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women

175

?You are looking very good,? my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don?t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

185

Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out.

At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I?m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

195

OK, when you don?t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, ?Is he gay?? all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, ?Pook, you are cute and all. So why don?t you have a girlfriend?? I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ?friend?.

I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomaly.

205

When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn?t? she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ?borrow my notes?, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday?

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ?well muscled? with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ?satellite? boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ?average?. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.

I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, ?I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!? But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)

Rather than work hard to get one woman, why not work hard on yourself and get all the women? I don?t work hard to get women, I work hard on my dreams which gets the women automatically.

Like the article says on top, only the extremely beautiful women will risk being with a hunk like you. If you want a girl with a great body, you ought to work on your own body.

Coming from a skinny guy, being big is a totally different world. The worst thing is finding out how people really viewed the old you. People now openly insult my past skinny self and it hurts. It hurts because I never knew they had thought that way of me.

Big guys are allowed to get away with more things. I allowed to be cruder, to be bolder, to take advantage of women more (I?m serious!), and so on. You can also be stupid as well. My biggest problem is women only wanting me for sex (no, this is not a joke. Yes, it is a problem). You try to find a girl that fits your life and all she is interested in is your body! It is like getting rich and putting up with gold diggers.

So how do you go from being skinny guy to brawny guy? There is a lot of information on the Internet. For myself, I used Anthony Ellis?s program. 30lbs in 3 months, no joke. Though, for most people beginning, it will be like 30lbs in 4-5 months. The big problem with fitness is that there are so many different opinions. Many of them are wrong and will waste your time (including trainers). What I loved about Ellis?s program was that it cut all the hype and came up with very in-depth information. It works.

However, the risk with body building is that it can turn into a highly narcissist womb. I often think the mirrors in the gyms are not so much to perfect the form, but to perfect the ego. The risk is that you will try to become perfect and we all know that perfect is boring.

Now for a note to the skinny guys who are successful with women. They will, no doubt, post replies to challenge the relevancy of this post. Know that the central? thrust? of the post is not a bettering of image. It is an increase of testosterone. If you are naturally skinny, and are at a higher muscle mass, your body will continually be at a high state of testosterone building and rebuilding muscle mass just to stay the same. High rates of testosterone affects not only your actions, I believe women can sniff it out. So take a guy, stuffed with testosterone, and push him into a room full of lovely young ladies. He doesn?t speak a word. He won?t have to. The women will go to him automatically.

Such is the power of testosterone. Such is the power of sexuality. "

I'm having the 185 effect right now. My goal is to get to 195-200lbs. Pook's post hit me pretty hard and is why I get the guts to go back to the gym.

Post: #61

^^ Fantastic post.

Christmas eve BBQ, sitting talking with some workmates, and my girlfriend grabs a plate of food for me, opens my beer, then holds onto my bicep and leans her head on my shoulder as I eat and drink, happy to be near me. The other guy's wives are drinking cask wine in a group, stuffing food into their faces, and constantly screeching at the men to get them food or go help one of the kids. The men are all looking at me with awe.

I was 220 earlier in September. Six weeks of physically-demanding touring performances dropped me down to 205 or so. Working my way back up again now.

The most common response I'd get from women at that size was being described as 'a beast' or 'a monster'. You've crossed into pure animal sexuality territory, and women get hugely-aggressive, desperate for a taste.

A smaller guy simply can have no conception of how different interaction with women becomes when this happens. I could tell you stories of the porn-story come-ons that happens to me, but I doubt you'd believe it unless you'd been that size yourself.

This is why I hate the feminist script of all women being shy, naive victims of male sexuality. I think due to their hatred of men, ugliness, weight issues and history of sexual abuse, feminists simply have no experience of just how sexually-aggressive most women can be when desirable male power wanders into their field of view.

Post: #62

(12-30-2013 06:43 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ^^ Fantastic post.

Christmas eve BBQ, sitting talking with some workmates, and my girlfriend grabs a plate of food for me, opens my beer, then holds onto my bicep and leans her head on my shoulder as I eat and drink, happy to be near me. The other guy's wives are drinking cask wine in a group, stuffing food into their faces, and constantly screeching at the men to get them food or go help one of the kids. The men are all looking at me with awe.

I was 220 earlier in September. Six weeks of physically-demanding touring performances dropped me down to 205 or so. Working my way back up again now.

The most common response I'd get from women at that size was being described as 'a beast' or 'a monster'. You've crossed into pure animal sexuality territory, and women get hugely-aggressive, desperate for a taste.

A smaller guy simply can have no conception of how different interaction with women becomes when this happens. I could tell you stories of the porn-story come-ons that happens to me, but I doubt you'd believe it unless you'd been that size yourself.

This is why I hate the feminist script of all women being shy, naive victims of male sexuality. I think due to their hatred of men, ugliness, weight issues and history of sexual abuse, feminists simply have no experience of just how sexually-aggressive most women can be when desirable male power wanders into their field of view.

share some stories dude, it'll serve as motivation for people to get bigger because it is a pain in the ass.

Post: #63

Quote:Rather than work hard to get one woman, why not work hard on yourself and get all the women? I don?t work hard to get women, I work hard on my dreams which gets the women automatically.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #64

(12-30-2013 06:50 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 06:43 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ^^ Fantastic post.

Christmas eve BBQ, sitting talking with some workmates, and my girlfriend grabs a plate of food for me, opens my beer, then holds onto my bicep and leans her head on my shoulder as I eat and drink, happy to be near me. The other guy's wives are drinking cask wine in a group, stuffing food into their faces, and constantly screeching at the men to get them food or go help one of the kids. The men are all looking at me with awe.

I was 220 earlier in September. Six weeks of physically-demanding touring performances dropped me down to 205 or so. Working my way back up again now.

The most common response I'd get from women at that size was being described as 'a beast' or 'a monster'. You've crossed into pure animal sexuality territory, and women get hugely-aggressive, desperate for a taste.

A smaller guy simply can have no conception of how different interaction with women becomes when this happens. I could tell you stories of the porn-story come-ons that happens to me, but I doubt you'd believe it unless you'd been that size yourself.

This is why I hate the feminist script of all women being shy, naive victims of male sexuality. I think due to their hatred of men, ugliness, weight issues and history of sexual abuse, feminists simply have no experience of just how sexually-aggressive most women can be when desirable male power wanders into their field of view.

share some stories dude, it'll serve as motivation for people to get bigger because it is a pain in the ass.

I'm having a very similar experience to AnonymousBosch. I'm sitting at 220 and have officially entered 'beast mode'. The last bang I got happened with a girl I'd just met. She asked if I wanted to get a drink, I said sure and suggested a bar near my place, she responded with, 'how about I just bring over a bottle of wine'. She comes over, has a glass of wine, then takes off her dress. She called me a beast and told me not to be too rough (but to be rough). Zero effort bang - except for the hours I put in at the gym...

Post: #65

if you continue to find yourself in the friendzone then stop acting like a friend

Post: #66

(12-30-2013 08:29 PM)Ensam Wrote:  She called me a beast and told me not to be too rough (but to be rough).

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about - you've reached the level where they strip without you even asking them to and game barely comes into it. Smaller guys deny such a level exists.

I'm hearing 'beast' a lot. Anyone know why girls have started saying it? I'm guessing it's celebrity or movie related, like every behaviour they adopt.

The other one I'm seeing all the time on Facebook: 'dem'. I post a pic, and get girls saying "Dem arms" or "Dem pecs".

Post: #67

(07-13-2013 10:25 AM)soup Wrote:  

(07-13-2013 07:19 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  Yes the friend zone can exist. Although the "friend zone" as a player sees it is completely different than how a beta will see it.

Example from my life:

A female friend that goes back to highschool. She understands a woman's place in society and is a conservative. While not being completely religious, she lost her virginity at 23 to a boyfriend of 3+ months. Prior to that she had only done heavy petting with one other guy.

She is practically my partner in crime, as she loves hearing the second hand stories of all my adventures. There may be a few deep dark secrets about me that she doesn't know, but not many. The reverse is also true, as she is comfortable telling me about her secrets.

My frame:

She knows I am sexually interested in her, but not in a "one-itis" type way. No, she knows I am sexually interested in her because of the fact I am sexually interested in all attractive women, because I am a man. She does like the attention and does some minor attention whoring, but shes a female and its her nature.

While she is a long time friend and has seen some the softer more vulnerable sides of me, I maintain the typical red pill alpha role during 95% of our conversations.

-I have my nicknames for her.
+Woprah - white oprah, because she is my go to source for advice
+Lil Husky - she sent me a pic one night before going out asking how she looked. I told her she looked like she was built for the winter.
+Patriot - She has a weakness for men in uniform and secretly wants to fuck the majority of them

-I maintain a sexual frame
+She hears all my stories
+I send her the "Tits or STFU" style text once in a while when she is annoying me
+When she is mad at her boyfriend I encourage her to come over, get drunk, and choke on some bad decisions.
+I tell her which friends of hers I think are cute, and she tries to set me up with them.

-I encouraged her sexual growth
+Prior to her current boyfriend and losing her virginity I would try to set her up with decent guys I know
+She would tell me her desires to blow some military guy, I would tell her its her duty to this country to take a 6 roper across the face.
+When she finally lost her virginity, I told her it was about time and the next logical step was anal.

The results:

-She has never sent me any nude pictures. She claims it would be cheating and unfair to boyfriend. I tell her its about time a female thinks that way.
-She has expressed her interest to blow me several times, telling me if her boyfriend ever breaks up with her she will gladly do it.
-She told me she wished she lost her virginity to me, and asked why I never made a serious move at her.
-She tries some typical attention whoring tactics once in a while, which I shut down fast.
-She sets me up with her friends.
-She is always there when I have a vulnerable moment and need advice.
-Under different circumstances she knows I would fuck her and I know she would fuck me. But it isn't in the cards right now, and I have told her if It ever happened it would be a strict FWB deal and nothing between us would change, or I would cut if off.


So thats the version of "friend-zone" that I am in. That is what I believe a red pill style friend zone is.

What's interesting about this is I've gotten LJBF recently from an EE and Russian girl after escalating too fast with one and going caveman to the max on the other. Also, after I went caveman on a girl who I do music with and she pulled LJBF, because, I believe, she knew me before my red pill days.

You didn't get friend-zoned there, you got rejected. IMO. I see friend zone as what happens to guys who don't make their intent clear in a calibrated way. In this day and age, that mis-calibration usually entails not moving fast enough. Or skipping steps. Like not qualifying enough is a huge reason guys get blown out after attraction, myself incl.

Point being, the point in the timeline where LJBF happens is usually way before a situation where the guy is sexually escalating.

If you are pushing your sets hard enough, you won't get friend-zoned - you'll get blown out. You are clearly pushing your sets hard enough, and so you're in that role of either banging or getting blown-out.

I haven't read enough of your posts to be sure, but you sound a little like me in the way that you escalate. Watch your qualifying, and see if it improves things for you here.

Post: #68

(12-31-2013 05:14 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-30-2013 08:29 PM)Ensam Wrote:  She called me a beast and told me not to be too rough (but to be rough).

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about - you've reached the level where they strip without you even asking them to and game barely comes into it. Smaller guys deny such a level exists.

I'm hearing 'beast' a lot. Anyone know why girls have started saying it? I'm guessing it's celebrity or movie related, like every behaviour they adopt.

The other one I'm seeing all the time on Facebook: 'dem'. I post a pic, and get girls saying "Dem arms" or "Dem pecs".

Boschy, we're not going to convince anyone who's set on being a non-believer but I have precisely the same experience.

At my non-training weight of 175 lbs I am basically invisible to women. They get inexplicably annoyed, and walk by like you don't exist. At my current 195 lbs from lifting- well you know the rest of the story.

Tell me if you've experienced this: I can put on a big puffy coat and go out and get women vaguely interested- take off the coat to reveal a fitted shirt and big muscles and it's like their heads snap up, like a different person walked in the room.

Post: #69

(12-31-2013 06:02 PM)Sugar Wrote:  At my non-training weight of 175 lbs I am basically invisible to women. They get inexplicably annoyed, and walk by like you don't exist.

The modern women's default state seems to be belligerence: they're snarky, miserable, depressed, stressed-out, quick to anger, and frustrated that the rest of the world doesn't seem to recognise their unrealistically high opinion of themselves, and so fails to deliver the rewards that movies and the media have taught them to believe they deserve for simply existing.

They're creatures of fantsy. Become something they can recognise as a fantasy construct, and they'll suddenly act pleasingly-feminine. I'm not even convinced that the sixes and sevens are genuinely-attracted to me. They are attracted to the self-esteem boost that comes from being fucked by a guy like me, because they get to rationalise their attractiveness as being top shelf: "A guy like that would only sleep with the highest-quality woman, therefore, I am a high-quality woman." Eights and nines are better bangs and girlfriends, because they're far more secure in their own beauty.

Quote:Tell me if you've experienced this: I can put on a big puffy coat and go out and get women vaguely interested- take off the coat to reveal a fitted shirt and big muscles and it's like their heads snap up, like a different person walked in the room.

Ah, I call this the 'Clark Kent' effect. Girls can't seem to read the male body through clothes very well. This is why body language is so important. I can hide my size by wearing loose, bulky clothes, slumping my shoulders, and lowering my head. Wear fitted clothes, stand tall, shoulders back, chest forward, chin up, and I'm Superman.

Post: #70

(12-31-2013 07:39 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 06:02 PM)Sugar Wrote:  At my non-training weight of 175 lbs I am basically invisible to women. They get inexplicably annoyed, and walk by like you don't exist.

The modern women's default state seems to be belligerence: they're snarky, miserable, depressed, stressed-out, quick to anger, and frustrated that the rest of the world doesn't seem to recognise their unrealistically high opinion of themselves, and so fails to deliver the rewards that movies and the media have taught them to believe they deserve for simply existing.

They're creatures of fantsy. Become something they can recognise as a fantasy construct, and they'll suddenly act pleasingly-feminine. I'm not even convinced that the sixes and sevens are genuinely-attracted to me. They are attracted to the self-esteem boost that comes from being fucked by a guy like me, because they get to rationalise their attractiveness as being top shelf: "A guy like that would only sleep with the highest-quality woman, therefore, I am a high-quality woman." Eights and nines are better bangs and girlfriends, because they're far more secure in their own beauty.

Quote:Tell me if you've experienced this: I can put on a big puffy coat and go out and get women vaguely interested- take off the coat to reveal a fitted shirt and big muscles and it's like their heads snap up, like a different person walked in the room.

Ah, I call this the 'Clark Kent' effect. Girls can't seem to read the male body through clothes very well. This is why body language is so important. I can hide my size by wearing loose, bulky clothes, slumping my shoulders, and lowering my head. Wear fitted clothes, stand tall, shoulders back, chest forward, chin up, and I'm Superman.

Dude I mean this in utmost sincerity, your a fucking stallion

Post: #71

None of my attractive friends are safe from my advances

Post: #72

I've been put in the friend zone at times where I've missed my opportunity due to not having time to meet etc. I just accept it, keep their number, add them on facebook, and think of them as being on the backburner. You don't even need to stay in touch, and sooner or later another opportunity usually comes up (e.g. they are in town for something, they've had an argument with their boyfriend, etc). Banged loads of girls this way.

Post: #73

A story about the Friendzone and what they don't tell you.

In 2011 I went to the beach with a woman who friendzoned me. She wasn't ready to date anyone. Fair enough. I took it on the chin, stayed friends with her and we ended up hooking up in 2013.

That's when I realized it worked better as a friendship. So I told her that. Did she take it on the chin like I did?

Hahaha. Are you kidding? She went insane, wrote me two long, rambling incoherent emails within an hour and banished me out of her life forever, telling me not to write back (I didn't).

The moral? As bad as people think men take getting friendzoned, women take it 1,000 times worse since they're not used to rejection. She called my friendzone move "emotionally abusive."

Only in American Woman Land can women say "You don't have the right to sex" to justify the Friendzone, then turn around and say it's "emotional abuse" when men do the same thing to them.

Post: #74

My observation is that men functioning day-to-day in the Friend Zone (of unrequited love for woman A) never have another woman (B).

As soon as they get an actual woman (B), they leave their "beta orbit" - or are forced to leave by the new woman - right away.

Post: #75

The friend zone exists IF you're stuck on cold approach. If you do social circle, you can get around it. I like (and use) both.