Post: #1101

I started to get a little salt and pepper a few years ago and women love it. And many girls love it even more. All ages.

I agree that like 90% gray would be a problem. 5-10%? Jackpot.

Post: #1102

(12-07-2013 01:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 12:23 PM)horn Wrote:  Most of the younger women I have met this year want a guy who is at least 6-10 years older than them.

Even the hipster chicks, no, especially the hipster chicks.

Yes, girls who like to be "edgy" or "different" often like older men.

They often like to experiment with stuff that is "taboo" or "ironic".

(12-07-2013 12:23 PM)horn Wrote:  Giovonny made a good point in that other thread about usually saying he was 29

It's hard to say. How can I tell if a girl prefers 29 or 39???

Easy. Ask her!

I mean, you may have to phrase it differently, but 'Do you like guys with more life experience,' or whatever easily suggests itself.

I've had college girls flat-out tell me they won't date guys under 27. Too immature. Too much games-playing. [Yes, I stifled my laughter until I could run to the men's room and busted a gut]. No money. No culture. No concept of how to dress. Too skinny. Only eats at Subway. Spends too much time on xBox, Etc.

Figuring out what a girl is looking for can be hard, but don't make it harder on yourself to no purpose. Get her to commit to an age. 'Oh, yeah, I like guys who are 30-39...' Boom, there's your answer. There's a huge need for people to be internally congruent. Plus, if she says it out loud....I mean it's not going to be a trap.

Post: #1103

Stopped a girl outside a noodle shop just now. Went like this

Me: 'scuse me
Her: ?
Me: Do you know if this noodle shop is any good?
Her: Oh yeah, it is! I actually work there.
Me: Oh, you WORK there?
Her: Yeah!
Me: Is it a chain?
Her: Uhhh yeah, this is the first one in NY. We have locations in 28 states.
Me: Wow thats crazy. Where I come from we don't have anything like this.
Her: Oh where are you from?
Me: Well do I have an accent? Try and guess..
Her: Hm slightly..Hmmm...
Me: I'll give you a hint. It's in the northeast, the greatest city in the world...Should be obvious...and it's not NY
Her: Hahaha hmmm
Me: Obviously (insert city)
Her: Oh! (playful eye roll)
Me as I bend over to tie my shoe: So what should I get from this place?
Her: blah blah blah blah (some asian dish I didn't understand)
Me: (mispronounced asian dish)
Her: No, (pronounced right)
Me: Oh man, you're going to make me sound like an idiot when I order. Unless it's you..
Her: Unless it's me and I already know you're an idiot!
Me: Ohhhh (sharp eyes and squinty look like this
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.453672364...7&pid=15.1
Me: You know what you just did? With your tongue.
Her: No, what?
Me: You stuck your tongue out, like this (mimic'd it). It's a body language thing.
Her: Oh really. What does it mean?
Me: It means like...Whenever somebody gets CAUGHT doing something, they stick their tongue out like (mimic again). Like hand in the cookie jar
Her: hahaha!
After a couple of seconds on holding eye contact and us both grinning, I stick my hand out
Me: I'm Checkmat by the way
Her: I'm Rachel, nice to meet you! Welcome to NY. You should definitely try the noodle shop sometime.
Me: I will!

She turned and went inside a store. I felt like this set went really great except she seemed like she wanted/needed to bounce towards the end as she wrapped up the convo. She asked one personal question very early on--Where are you from?--so I probably could have started GALNUC but instead I jumped ahead and just introduced myself. It was cold outside and maybe she had some legit time crunch, but part of me thinks Giovonny would have just said "so you seem cool, you want to hang out sometime?" and number closed before she could leave. Any thoughts on this?

Post: #1104

In an elevator. I wasn't terribly interested in this girl but I just wanted to push myself and exercise my approach muscle. I saw her fumbling around with her iphone (surprise surprise).

Me: Pink case?
She glances at me in curiosity.
Me: It seems like every other girl I see has an iphone with a pink case (smirk).
She begins to laugh and babble on as the elevator reached the ground floor. At any rate I had shit to do so I just said goodbye to her.

This opener worked surprisingly well (try it sometime if you guys like), and really shows that it doesn't much matter what you say.

Post: #1105

(12-07-2013 06:14 PM)ashraf Wrote:  Gio, what is your opinion on graying hair?

I would rather not have any.

That said, I do have a few gray hairs. When I put coconut oil or gel in my hair, it moistens the hair and thus temporarily covers the gray. People rarely notice.

I don't think it neccasarily turns girls off. Some girls like it.

The "salt and pepper" look can be a good look.

If it effects your confidence, try a hair dye.

I know some guys with gray or graying hair who do just fine with women.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

(12-11-2013 05:14 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Giovonny would have just said "so you seem cool, you want to hang out sometime?" and number closed before she could leave. Any thoughts on this?

Yes, my opinion is that you should have tried to number close. The approach went well..

Why not try to get her number. (unless, I was planning to return to her work to talk to her agian, which you might want to do)

Even if she turned to walk away, I would have said -- "hey, hang on, we should exchange numbers or something"

Or, "hey, hang on, I know this is random but.. do you wanna get coffee or something sometime?"

Something like that.

You did well. Maybe, you could have been more assertive in trying to get her number. I like to error on the side of agression. But, I live in a big city and play the "Numbers Game" hard.

(12-11-2013 05:23 PM)Libertas Wrote:  I just wanted to push myself and exercise my approach muscle.

Awesome.

Push Yourself!!!

That is the biggest key to improvement!!!

Post: #1106

I read somewhere that grey hair gives you alpha status. You appear more dominant and therefore attractive.

Post: #1107

Post: #1108

On phone find the video in the YouTube app. Make sure it is not on an ad. Press the button at the bottom that is 3 dots in a triangle. It will
give you sharing options, one of which is Message. You can figure out the rest.

I think your top approach went well. You went all the way to no. That's the goal.

Post: #1109

(12-13-2013 05:17 PM)Menace Wrote:  On phone find the video in the YouTube app. Make sure it is not on an ad. Press the button at the bottom that is 3 dots in a triangle. It will
give you sharing options, one of which is Message. You can figure out the rest.

I think your top approach went well. You went all the way to no. That's the goal.

Thanks Menace , From the I phone on the youtube App I can send the youtube link via e-mail or tweet but not send the link via Message, Any other Ideas

Also texted the girl from second approach , " It was nice meeting you earlier, and the name of a singer we talked about " and she responded with in 5 min. Will see if she shows up on the said time

I feel good approaching and day gaming again, SA Game made me complacent. I think I have said this before but Cold Approaching girls and getting any progress gives me a much better high then the act of sex itself . Call me a different brand of loco

Post: #1110

(12-13-2013 09:46 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 05:17 PM)Menace Wrote:  On phone find the video in the YouTube app. Make sure it is not on an ad. Press the button at the bottom that is 3 dots in a triangle. It will
give you sharing options, one of which is Message. You can figure out the rest.

I think your top approach went well. You went all the way to no. That's the goal.

Thanks Menace , From the I phone on the youtube App I can send the youtube link via e-mail or tweet but not send the link via Message, Any other Ideas

Also texted the girl from second approach , " It was nice meeting you earlier, and the name of a singer we talked about " and she responded with in 5 min. Will see if she shows up on the said time

That's odd. I was talking about the iPhone. Maybe your permissions are not set correctly? Not sure what that could be though...

Post: #1111

Having some vodka in NYC right now, haven't had much time to game recently but I'll share last night's:

At holiday party of client. At bar waiting to order drink. Girl in dress comes next to me and a family member there. She opens:

Her: What's a good drink to order?
Me: Do you not drink much?
Her: Not really.
Me: Well I'm having a black russian, get that.
Her: Ok.

I tell my family member to bounce, she's cool and understands. We start chatting, she is Belarussian

I start going into my Russian. We hit it off and basically spend the remainder of the night together. The main client is a fucking boss and I know him well, hosting a 300+ holiday party. Keep getting pulled to go meet people, she sees this continually.

VERY long story short, end of night I jump in a cab with her. Ask her if she's tired, she says no. We go to some Russian bar, at this point we are both obliterated. I keep requesting Russian songs I know and this damn Russian karaoke bar doesn't have any of these songs. I put her hand on my dick and tell her look what she's doing to me. Pull her into the bathroom and fuck her on the sink. Keep in mind there are a total of 3 people in this bar so it's pretty obvious what's going on.

We have another drink, of which I have no idea what it was as at this point it's a blur. I've been out of it for a while so I hadn't had sex in a 10 days or so. Pull her into the bathroom AGAIN and fuck her again on the sink.

Now it's 2am I have no idea how to get home. She points to somewhere and says that's the subway. She goes home, I go there and pass out on the subway, about 30 spots from where I'm staying. Miraculously, I wake up right at my stop and jump out before the doors close and walk back to my place.

Wake up hungover as shit, make eggs and spill yolk on my shirt. Don't care. It was a good Thursday.

Post: #1112

^^^ Nice One Slubu , Your post could have gone in +1 thread or Drunk Lounge

I'm so F...ing envious of you that you are in NYC. You should meet up with Male defined.

Post: #1113

(12-13-2013 10:14 PM)Lothario Wrote:  I'm so F...ing envious of you that you are in NYC. You should meet up with Male defined.

As always Lothario, you're one step behind.

Post: #1114

I did my first daygame approach ever today, didnt go as planned.
I was buying clothes and the sales girl was really cute and seemed nice, i took forever to pick 3 shirts, i was waiting for everyone else to leave. So i pussied out and went to the cash register.
I thought fuck this, went back into the store and looked around, i ended up in the mens clothes section again and she was alone.
I asked her where i could get compression shorts?, and then i started stuttering, my face got all red and i didnt even know what the fuck was going on. She knew something was up and turned around so i said hold up whats your name? She told me her name which i dont remember since i got tunnel vision... Then i said so what do you do here and she said im working, and just when i couldnt get more beta i said yes but what is your job?
Then i finally said do you want to do something one of these days, she just looked at me not laughing not even angry and turned around without saying a word. I passed by her and said see ya..
All i could think about was this is not how giovonni does it

Anyway now i must redeem myself

Post: #1115

(12-14-2013 11:32 AM)dog24 Wrote:  I did my first daygame approach ever today, didnt go as planned.

All i could think about was this is not how giovonni does it

Actually, I have done that hundreds, maybe thousands of times!

I was terrible when I first started! It took a lot of practice to get proficient at day gaming

Girls working in department stores is a tough challenge for a beginner.

Don't beat yourself up over it. Never beat yourself up. Love yourself unconditionally no matter what and just keep practicing.

(12-14-2013 11:32 AM)dog24 Wrote:  Anyway now i must redeem myself

This is the right attitude!

Get back out there and just keep going.

You will have some good approaches, some bad approaches, and some terrible approaches.

Just don't quit!

Approach everyday!

Post: #1116

(12-14-2013 11:32 AM)dog24 Wrote:  I did my first daygame approach ever today, didnt go as planned.
I was buying clothes and the sales girl was really cute and seemed nice, i took forever to pick 3 shirts, i was waiting for everyone else to leave. So i pussied out and went to the cash register.
I thought fuck this, went back into the store and looked around, i ended up in the mens clothes section again and she was alone.
I asked her where i could get compression shorts?, and then i started stuttering, my face got all red and i didnt even know what the fuck was going on. She knew something was up and turned around so i said hold up whats your name? She told me her name which i dont remember since i got tunnel vision... Then i said so what do you do here and she said im working, and just when i couldnt get more beta i said yes but what is your job?
Then i finally said do you want to do something one of these days, she just looked at me not laughing not even angry and turned around without saying a word. I passed by her and said see ya..
All i could think about was this is not how giovonni does it

Anyway now i must redeem myself

Hey Dog.

Congratulations for trying! And even persevering through despite your anxiety.

A couple words of advice.

Don't be so hard on yourself! As Gio said, we all have to start somewhere. Then we build on it. It's easier to build on it with the right attitude and mindset. How you talk to yourself makes all the difference. We process what is happening around us using language in our heads. Train that internal voice to be like a wise mentor or coach. Think of it this way, if you were helping your little brother learn to meet girls, you would speak to him kindly, emphasizing the things he did well (like you probably learned a few things this time that you can apply to the next time), you would encourage him to do more, and you certainly wouldn't beat him up with mean-spirited "you were horrible" type talk. Train your inner voice to be a wise, fair, helpful and encouraging coach who challenges you to take risks and grow.

Maybe learn approaching in steps. Forget about getting digits at first (unless it's a lay up). Go around and practice just saying "hi" to girls initially, or practicing some short small talk with them ("hey, I like your sun glasses what kind are they?"). Easy and short conversations just to get your feet wet. Do it a lot. It will take the pressure off, and you probably won't feel the tunnel vision and all that other stuff. Meanwhile you're getting used to talking to girls you approach, and learning it isn't as big a deal as you thought. Then as you get more and more comfortable, add more and more to your interactions until your doing full blown approaches.

By the way, this "taking things in small steps" way of approaching is a well tested psychological technique of treating anxiety called "in vivo desensitization." http://www.anxietysocialnet.com/anxiety-...at-anxiety

Post: #1117

(12-14-2013 11:32 AM)dog24 Wrote:  I did my first daygame approach ever today, didnt go as planned.
I was buying clothes and the sales girl was really cute and seemed nice, i took forever to pick 3 shirts, i was waiting for everyone else to leave. So i pussied out and went to the cash register.
I thought fuck this, went back into the store and looked around, i ended up in the mens clothes section again and she was alone.
I asked her where i could get compression shorts?, and then i started stuttering, my face got all red and i didnt even know what the fuck was going on. She knew something was up and turned around so i said hold up whats your name? She told me her name which i dont remember since i got tunnel vision... Then i said so what do you do here and she said im working, and just when i couldnt get more beta i said yes but what is your job?
Then i finally said do you want to do something one of these days, she just looked at me not laughing not even angry and turned around without saying a word. I passed by her and said see ya..
All i could think about was this is not how giovonni does it

Anyway now i must redeem myself

Yeah as gio said, stay persistent.

Girls can be really cold on guys who don't approach properly.

I will say that I am pretty good at day gaming, I am sure i do more approaches than almost everybody on this forum (I have been told by members that I have met in person that they never met anybody who approaches as much as I do), however the other day I approached this chick and I don't know for what reason, i got a little anxious, before that she even gave me her number..soon as she noticed high level of anxiety (I think she thought he is probably not used to talk to women), she became cold and left..didnt even say bye.. Maybe i could still call her and try to set up a date but because I have so many other women lined up,i thought fuck it, aint no way im calling this bitch with that attitude . Note that this was the 2nd time in my life (the first time i was 15) that a woman walks away in the middle of the conversation because she smelled ''no game'', even though my game is pretty solid (this was like being rejected from entering a club because the bouncer assumed that you were under age even though you years ahead of being under age)

But I noticed how it must be for guys who don't have much experience..if a girl thinks that you are not experienced enough, she will walk away. So in order for you to get good responses, you will really need to fail a lot, you need to approach so many of them to a point where is just natural for you to approach.

I never ever hesitate to approach, even if i don't feel inspired or I don't feel that I am in the right situation. I just approach. I prefer being rejected than not approach at all..fuck it..I have fucked women thanks to approaching..i literally didn't say shit..''hi, your name, number''' next day we set up a date and boom, bang.

Post: #1118

I am happy to report one of my first actual daygame approaches, or at least I think it's considered daygame.

Was taking the train from Long Island to NYC. First train broke down, was a mess had to go to another station and take another train. Go in the waiting room, see a cute jewish looking brunette. It was nighttime, but in a subway waiting room so I guess that counts as "daygame."

Me: Were you on that broken down train too?
Her: No.
Me: Ah ok, just curious. It was terrible we went all the way close to NYC then had to backtrack. (ramble a bit more)
Her: Ah that sucks.

Train comes, we both walk outside she goes ahead of me to the car on the left, so I follow. See where she sits and go sit one row away. 5 minutes later...

Me: So are you headed into the city?
Her: Yeah, just for a little bit. A friend's birthday.
Me: Ah ok. Me too, my first night out I just moved here.
Her: From where?
Me: LA. I'm not used to this cold.

She comes over and sits closer to me. Chat for a while, she is a law student so she is impressed when I say I'm a lawyer. She is taking her finals and I reassure her that it's fine to go drinking as I did a lot even during my finals.

She then takes off her coat. Dammit a bit chubby they really know how to hide shit in their winter coats. Still cute face, and coat is burberry so she's rich. Goes on to talk about how this is the first time in years she's taken the train as she usually "has a car" to take her into the city and back. So now I'm thinking super rich.

Looks like I just reverse golddug.

Get out at Penn Station. She is worried about taking the subway, I tell her I will chaperone her. We get on the same subway, but before that I tell her "give me your number."

Her: "So that's how you ask huh?"
Me: no response, she starts telling me her #.

Get to her stop first, she leans over and kisses me on the cheek and tells me I should be her tutor for law school.

Normally not a fan of chubby girls like this, but if she lost 10-15 pounds she'd be pretty hot. Looking at this like a stock investment on a risky stock.

Had a date with her a few days ago. She said she was hoping I'd make out with her on the subway before she got out. I'm pretty good at sexualizing the conversation, got her back to my place but she wouldn't fuck. She admitted that she loved to fuck, but can't do it on the first date. Got her so wet it went through her leather pants. Gave me a 10 second teaser BJ though.

Funny thing was my roommate was in his room listening to the whole progression. The next day I bought him earplugs.

I really enjoyed this non-nightclub approach even though she wasn't my ideal. If it wasn't so fucking cold here right now I'd probably do a bunch more approaches.

Post: #1119

Slubu finally comes around to Day game, good one player. Cold Weather is no excuse to not be Cold Approaching. You can do that all day long in any busy Subway station, Museum, Malls, Coffee Shops etc etc etc

Post: #1120

From a week ago...

Got to dining hall a little early, at 5. I usually go around 8 for dinner, and this early I notice there are a lot of athletes here.

Girls soccer team sitting at a big table, wow these girls are hot. Surprised I haven't seen them around, I remember faces very well. Seems to me that the soccer team and girls crew team (oddly enough) have the most attractive girls.

2 of these girls go to get food, and immediately I notice they both have unbelievable asses, toned legs, just fit as hell.

An ass like that on a white girl, and 2 friends at that, I had to approach.

Me: excuse me guys, I had to come over here and tell you that you 2 have the best asses in this whole dining hall. I must never have seen you guys before, because I would have def remembered
(I'm in super cocky don't give a fuck mode so in just having fun)
These girls start laughing and say wow that's very blunt...
Me: you must be athletes am I right?
Her. Yeah we play for the girls soccer team.
Me: cool, I'm spider btw. Sometimes I can be very forward, I needed to meet you.

^ they walk off smiling and giggling, probably just made their night. My goal for that approach was just to plant a seed and let them remember me. There were 2 of them so I didn't grab their numbers, but I'll probably see them at a party or around campus at some point.

Having just warmed up, I spot a girl grabbing food. Very sexy, and she glances over at me twice (obviously I have to approach now) ... She goes and sits down alone at the corner of the dining hall, and I see here with textbooks and a calculator. Most attractive girls do not come to the dining hall alone on a Friday night, let alone to eat and do their hw. Seems bizarre.

(I walk over to her table)
Me: hey, I just saw you grabbing food and I think you're really cute, needed to come over here and introduce myself. I'm spider
Her: shaking my hand and smiling, introduces herself.
Me: mind if I sit down? (As I'm asking I've already taken her bag off the empty chair and start sitting down)
Me: working on stats huh, are you a math major?
Her: No, it's a requirement I have for my Art History Major.
Me: god that sounds awful, smirking...i remember taking that in high school, pure memorization.
Her.: blah blah
...we sit for the next 20 mins talking, I learn that she's a freshman, doesn't have too many friends here, hates he roomate. Perfect, she's vulnerable,

^i tell her im having a pregame later (not true) and then we can go to a frat party. She agrees, and actually shows up to my dorm 10 mins early and we spend the rest of hooking up and she's clinging onto me like glue.

Didn't get the bang (she seems innocent, quiet etc. went to all girls boarding high school) but she played with my dick and I will use some Krauser long game over winter beak and secure this rotation piece when i return.

^ from start to finish, that was my best day approach ever. Direct approached with tons of confidence, hooked convo, made a plan, and had her very eager to see me later. Need to keep making plans at the end of an approach instead of just saying 'let's hangout sometime.

...Just getting back into NYC now, might hit the MoMa tomorrow to run some game. While I'll likely not get as much pussy being back home and away from the 'poosy paradise' that college is, I'm excited to me back in Daygame Central, where i can work on tougher approaches.

Post: #1121

Hey guys,

I've been doing day game approaches consistently(average 3 a day) and I was doing writing them down about the approaches and my reflections everyday. Then I got lazy and started to voice record myself instead of writing them down everyday. I was doing this during breaks at my job. But most of the time I don't really remember what I said during the approach so I'm just starting to doing videos and then go back and watch it to see how they went.

Here are two from 2 days this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ea28cYx2...e=youtu.be

I was stalking this girl waiting for the right position to approach her. Then I was walking behind her and she stopped her cart and I approached...

Reflection: I think she was interested but I didn't really transition anywhere and conversation just stalled. I should went for something personal and use GULNAC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llb7pZssu...e=youtu.be

I saw this girl looking at some sauces and I knew I had to approach her. I grabbed some granola bars and graham crackers(I really did want to make some smores), then I went in... Skip to the end for the close.

Reflection: I think she was interested too but again I didn't transition anywhere. I was glad I found her and tried to #close her though. She seemed like she wanted to give out her number from the way she was looking at me. Later I went to get some to-go in the same parking lot. I saw her pushing her cart to her car(near my car). I turned around thinking "fuck she's gonna know I didn't buy anything... it would be awkward" Then I thought "you know, if anyone should feel awkward, it should be her." I turned around again and walked towards her. She drove past me with her window down, I said "See... you did hit someone." She smiled and drove away.

Let me know what you guys think and how I should've went about it.

PS. Big shout outs to Gio and Tuthmosis for getting me two bangs from daygame. Gio - thanks for your posts on campus game. I got a 18 year old after she finished her finals and before she had to go back home the next day. Tuthmosis - thanks for your post on first date bang. I got the perfect date setup that's 2/2 for now. The most resistance I got was "Let's go to your bed..." instead of doing it on the tiles in the living room. On a side note about that... I cavemaned her and picked her up over my shoulder. I overestimated my strength and my coordination when I was drunk, I slipped and dropped her. She hit her head on the patio door. She had a facial expression of sadness and confusion but she was a trooper and still said "Let's go to your bed..." again.

Post: #1122

This weekend I was being a total puss and not really trying for anything all night. My boy was working on this chunky british chick and the night progressed. Towards the end i was up on this little stage and chunk was like hey I think that girl is single and pointed. After a minute I jumped off the stage and landed right in front of her. it was super loud in the club so we had to be right up in each others face the convo went something like

Me: hey what's up with you
her:excuse me
Me: oh shit you speak english
her: yea
Me: so where are you from?
her: England
Me: no shit I can tell that. What part?
her: London
Me: No shit? I just got back from there.
her: why were you n England?
Me: cuz I wanted to see it.
her: where were you staying.
Me: Manchester
her: that's not London.
Me: yea I know I've been all over England, Croatia, Wales
her: where are you from
Me: I'm from Birmingham but not Birmingham (I did this in my hilarious Birmingham England accent impression.)

The night closed with a blowy but no sex because I didn't have a condom, and in the morning a number close. Tried hitting her back, spoke once then radio silence. I suppose it's for the best. I never asked for her name and she never gave it to me.

Post: #1123

(12-19-2013 02:36 PM)MiscVs Wrote:  Gio - thanks for your posts on campus game. I got a 18 year old after she finished her finals and before she had to go back home the next day.

You're welcome!

Thanks for reminding me about Finals week!

I LOVE Finals Week!!!

Post: #1124

I did three approaches today. The conversations were really short since I still feel anxious and nervous when I approach a girl during the day.

Anyhow, it was raining today in LA so I decided to go to an inside mall near my house instead of Santa Monica. Originally, I was going to do 5 approaches but I was taking forever so I just did three.

I bitched out two or three times before I made my first approach. I would guess that she was around her 30's which explained the a busted face, but her body was decent. I didn't what to open with so I used my default opener of what time is it. She said that she didn't know because she did not have a watch and left.

My second approach was perhaps the most successful out of the three. I saw this girl attending a boutique stand and asked where the food court. She answered that is upstairs and then I ask her what food do they have. She replied with a lot. She didn't seem too friendly so I left. Nonetheless, I should have continued with the conversation a little longer.

After 10-15 minutes of not finding a decent prospects, I decided to go back home. On my way home, I opened this asian chick with the "Do you know what time it is?" opener since I couldn't think of anything else. She responded with hesitant laugh and ask what type of question is that.

Reflections:

The anxiety before the approach is killing me. Even after I approach a girl I still feel anxious and I want to end the conversation as quickly as possible. I know I need to work on this. However, is it normal to feel this way?

The second thing I need to work is that when I approach a girl that is walking away from me she doesn't stop. How do I get her to stop?

Post: #1125

(12-19-2013 05:57 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  I did three approaches today. The conversations were really short since I still feel anxious and nervous when I approach a girl during the day.

Anyhow, it was raining today in LA so I decided to go to an inside mall near my house instead of Santa Monica. Originally, I was going to do 5 approaches but I was taking forever so I just did three.

I bitched out two or three times before I made my first approach. I would guess that she was around her 30's which explained the a busted face, but her body was decent. I didn't what to open with so I used my default opener of what time is it. She said that she didn't know because she did not have a watch and left.

My second approach was perhaps the most successful out of the three. I saw this girl attending a boutique stand and asked where the food court. She answered that is upstairs and then I ask her what food do they have. She replied with a lot. She didn't seem too friendly so I left. Nonetheless, I should have continued with the conversation a little longer.

After 10-15 minutes of not finding a decent prospects, I decided to go back home. On my way home, I opened this asian chick with the "Do you know what time it is?" opener since I couldn't think of anything else. She responded with hesitant laugh and ask what type of question is that.

Reflections:

The anxiety before the approach is killing me. Even after I approach a girl I still feel anxious and I want to end the conversation as quickly as possible. I know I need to work on this. However, is it normal to feel this way?

The second thing I need to work is that when I approach a girl that is walking away from me she doesn't stop. How do I get her to stop?

First, congratulations on putting yourself out there and approaching despite your anxiety!

Yes, it's "normal" to feel anxiety about approaching. Most people do to varying degree.

You seem perhaps a bit hard on yourself for your anxiety? There's no need to feel shame for being anxious, just go out there and keep doing it. If you bungle things, it's to be expected since you are new and feeling shame about that is not warranted and not helpful.

Yes, you can work on your opener. "What time is it?" is not the best because it probably doesn't seem genuine, and also it usually doesn't lend itself to much after that.

Look for objects or things she is carrying or things around you:

• That ice cream looks good, now I want one!
• Is that drink good?
• Your backpack looks sturdy, can it hold a Mac Book you think?
• I like your scarf, I bet it's keeping you warm on this chilly day.
  

Read Day Bang by Roosh, it gives an excellent conversation model.

Maybe just focus on your openers for now. If the conversation fizzles after the opener, so be it, you have time to learn. After you come somewhat an old pro at the opener, try more extended conversations.

Take the pressure off. You don't have to be great or even good when you are starting out. Don't beat yourself up or worry if you feel anxiety or if it's normal and all that jazz or if you flub some of your approaches. There's no substitution for experience, so get out there and approach and get experience.

There might be some ideas in here about openers:

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Practice that in your real life too. If your walking down the street with your co-workers and can't open, practice in your mind how you might open girls you see walking by if you could open.