Post: #51

(12-07-2013 07:35 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I feel like its getting harder and harder for socially awkward guys in Toronto to breakout of their awkwardness and become cooler. The pickup community is expanding quickly and more and more girls are being approached. The current model of churning out thousands of approaches is simply unsustainable because girls are going to get sick of being hit on.

Ironically the way to get good in TO if you started out as a socially awkward dude is doing shittons of approaches plus improving your fashion. I don't know a single guy who was bad when he started out who got good without tons of approaches. Its the way it is here.

Thing is these guy should stick to night game since you can fit in the rest of the drunk people and not attract a shitton of attention. Plus night game seems to result in better growth for new guys because you can learn to escalate(hard to day in day game).

Also in terms of daygame there is a place for direct game for a newbie. It can provide a great initial confidence boost when starting out, as nothing is a better feeling than so drastically breaking out of social norms. However at a certain point you have to be intelligent about things and show some subtlety.

They can do daygame, but the need to check out Roosh's book.

Post: #52

(12-07-2013 07:35 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I feel like its getting harder and harder for socially awkward guys in Toronto to breakout of their awkwardness and become cooler. The pickup community is expanding quickly and more and more girls are being approached. The current model of churning out thousands of approaches is simply unsustainable because girls are going to get sick of being hit on.

Ironically the way to get good in TO if you started out as a socially awkward dude is doing shittons of approaches plus improving your fashion. I don't know a single guy who was bad when he started out who got good without tons of approaches. Its the way it is here.

Thing is these guy should stick to night game since you can fit in the rest of the drunk people and not attract a shitton of attention. Plus night game seems to result in better growth for new guys because you can learn to escalate(hard to day in day game).

Also in terms of daygame there is a place for direct game for a newbie. It can provide a great initial confidence boost when starting out, as nothing is a better feeling than so drastically breaking out of social norms. However at a certain point you have to be intelligent about things and show some subtlety.

Its getting harder for all guys to get things going here. Its no surprise in the most man friendly city in the western world that more and more men are turning to whatever avenues they can to try and pick up girls. For a guy in Toronto whom wants pussy its either his wallet or his soul he has to drain if he wants that pink on the regular. If your trying to go conventional routes you will be out of luck.

Not sure whats up with the Social Awkward stuff. I am outgoing guy to an extent, if I am in my zone, socializing is no issues for me. I understand some dudes struggle with this but the bar is low here in Toronto. Most men here can formulate sentences, and the women need a line of coke and a cocktail of anti-depressants to carry on a simple conversation at the grocery store. The city is full of socially inept clowns, or prudish people so high on themselves. Just being in this environment can make somebody think they have social issues because everybody else around them has the vibe as frozen corpse.

The only advantage of Toronto is the volume you can work with. There is still 3 million people here and like 300k+ women in our age range you can burn through. I've probably flamed out hundreds of prospects in my time here, I run into them sometimes, but well, fuck cares. There is always that next girl on my radar.

Direct game is a non-starter here I feel. Women are in on the game and unless your damn skilled on it, unless she is from Thunder Bay, or on a Visa from Australia she is going to blow you out and call your bluff. I'm always a fly on the wall and its become a topic now among girls now to tell their daily story of some dude spitting weak pick-up shit to them and its always at choke points like the UofT, Eaton Center, Dundas Square. Its become all to predicable, bitches just laugh at the stuff now. When women have become that witty and crafty to sniff that stuff out its a dead animal that dudes shouldn't touch IMO.

I think a lot of dudes whom gravitate towards that style use it as a safe-crutch because it models the lifestyle they are used to, since usually they gravitate from math, science, engineering backgrounds. They assume just practicing some line or routine 1000x time will make them that much better with women. Sure maybe the anxiety of it all goes down, and the ability to talk to 1000+ women will improve of course (all important), but the downfall of being locked to this model is that it does not teach you the abstract shit you get from being tossed in different situations. When your reading from a script running routines its either going to be a success, or a failure. It doesn't teach you how to sniff out different opportunities to weasel out bangs and attraction of the fly.

I'm not basing my day on how many "good receptions" I get, that's some spreadsheet shit that I am not cool with. What girl is going to be spending time with me out or in a bedroom that's how I gauge success.

In-Direct is king here if you want any type of traction. The women here, indoctrinated with that feminist noise, put up their textbook theories all up in their heads when some guy approaches them "direct on the street". I am sure in some pink textbook some place in some chart under "how to spot a racist" it has some shit about some dude approaching you on the street and saying nice things: "He tells you that you look nice in your brand new dress, he wants your eggs and is a serial rapist, bear mace him or call police to file report"... Of course sometimes it works but for these guys they aren't running traditional style "PUA" game and have a system on lock that is working for them.

This city being the waste bin it is is bringing out the worst in all the sexes:

-Dudes are getting desperate here and will cling to anything to try and get a nut off in a broad.

-Sugar Daddy/Baby arrangements are exploding here, to the point Seeking Arrangement is going to break into Canada specifically here in the Toronto market to capitalize on it.

-The only way to guarantee a steady supply of tail here in Toronto is to be a serial dater and bang all your exes.
^ But the downfall of this is that your "Gf" wont be faithful to you and will be fucking dudes on the side since monogamy is a sin here in Toronto.

-P4p, is off the charts here... groups of homies for a night out will all go to a rub-and-tug together and book out all the rooms and girls.

All my female friends are rampant hoes, or mega attention seeking broads locked down by a man whom will veer as far as having some guy to talk to on the phone and eat lunch with for attention to full blown gobbling nuts low key. Like this one girl is telling me how shes hopping on new meat each day this week, I joked when she's going to fit me in and she said when shes back in town next week........ no desire to bone that broad (to an extent), but I am going to use her as a pawn to set up threesomes since I know she will be down. Nothing I worse then knowingly knowing I am on some wait list to hit, these brother friendly girls make a career of rotating brothers around, its a lifestyle I can't fuck with from growing up around that shit. The girls would be ruthless to have a different brother for each day of the week to spend time with and the dudes, content with getting a nut off won't care - not cool.

Like broads are just operating like men, its funny but fuked up at the same time. This shit wouldn't be happening in DC, SF, spots that folks claim are worse. Its a different animal here. Its getting to a point where I don't even know what women are chasing here, like are they really just trying to prove whom can be the most self-destructive in acting like a Man? I think so.

If you want to keep a clean nose and not run around with downtown circles even if they got steady supply's of pussy rolling through, or your not caking heavy, or your not really to be in a relationship where you girl fucks around on you behind your back you've got slim pickings here in the big smoke. If I liked drugs all my music homies I could hang with all the time and they would line it up for me, but I don't do pills or coke nor do I plan too soon so they kinda see me as a square in that regard. But its like It makes no sense how you should self-destruct yourself for a good time and pussy like that, its not cool.

Even a simple hack like getting a car is a great barrier. I'm realizing that suburb girls are just that much better. Dealing with Italian girls whom grew up in old school households with Alpha fathers are good prospects. They will cook for you and enjoy wearing heels out and stuff but you gotta go deep into the burbs to find them unless they are new to the City. Getting a car here mains paying some of the highest insurance rates (gender based of course), in North America. It becomes a catch 22 because why would you sink money into more rent to live DT with better logistics when you got a ride that will bleed you money, you then would then live farther out... killing your logistics 10 fold.

I feel for these dudes, but there are better ways to hack it all. I think their approach in going direct head first like that in broad daylight is a death sentence. It will get to the point with are dropping crime rates and our bloated police force they will start putting out patrols to start ticketing and arresting "street harassment", the writing is already on the wall now that rent-a-cops will now be "on-guard" for this type of shit. My guess is soon in Toronto-Occupied-Ontario it will be illegal and a citation to even ask a girl what time it is.

Post: #53

Pua's are destroying women as fast as the feminists are.

Post: #54

(12-07-2013 03:36 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 02:56 AM)soup Wrote:  Weren't there riots up there also over bad hockey?

You're thinking of Vancouver. Toronto's too wussy to riot. And before you say G20, the belligerent protesters came from stateside.

I don't know Peregrine. I think we've both witnessed some belligerent Torontonians.

Post: #55

Female imperative kicks in

Post: #56

(12-07-2013 11:58 PM)Combored Wrote:  Female imperative kicks in

Post: #57

(12-07-2013 11:58 PM)Combored Wrote:  Female imperative kicks in

From the comments on FB:

“BEAST” THE LADIES EVENT TODAY AT TORONTO EATON CENTRE….

Woeful single mother whom claims she is a superhero doubling both duties as a worker and a mom, yet still has time to pen net diary of her hamster farts. She channels TLP yet is painfully mediocre at blending psychoanalysis and views off the masses and their behaviors. That site is full of gold.

Post: #58

Is anyones health and safety even at risk? If I was a mall cop I'd kick the fedora wearing dudes out too, but I don't see how they are endangering anyones health or safety.

If I was in charge I'd fire whoever posted that. Making it sound like a dangerous situation is going down at the mall is not a good business decision.

Post: #59

(12-07-2013 08:01 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The PUA instructors who organized this event have done two things wrong:

1. Encouraged all participants to use only one line (a questionable "you're so beautiful" line)...

That's not even game — that's just beta groveling.

Post: #60

(12-07-2013 08:47 AM)Pyre Wrote:  I can't hate on 'em because we all had to start somewhere.

I'm loving the Mall Rentacops though. It's like they're so proud of their "intel" that they had to tweet it. They probably think of themselves as the NSA with covert ops gathering intelligence to protect that masses of greedy consumers shopping for junk at the mall. Self important arrogant pricks.

the mall-cops are also essentially white-knighting in desperation. Everything about Toronto is a joke. This PUA meetip is a joke, and also treating it like a major security threat is a joke.

Post: #61

I don't understand the Toronto based guys who complain about how hard it is when there are greener pastures in other places in Canada. What is keeping you guys there, friends, family, business, etc? I can understand if you're older(30+) in the city but I can't relate to you younger guys toughing it out there, what is so good about Toronto that keeps you guys there?

For you young T.O based cats, you could do any of the following tomorrow and I guarantee you will increase your poon flow:

-Move to the Rockies (Banff, Lake Louise, Whistler, etc) and work at a resort, room and board paid for and lots of foreign (UK, OZ and Quebecois) pussy up there

-Move to the East Coast (Halifax, St.John's, Moncton, Etc), get a random gob, enjoy the great night life and exploit the great M-F ratios there

-Move to Tofino, pitch a tent, work at a cafe and surf everyday, hit on tourists, etc.

If its really that bad, why are you guys staying there?

Post: #62

(12-08-2013 04:43 AM)scotian Wrote:  I don't understand the Toronto based guys who complain about how hard it is when there are greener pastures in other places in Canada. What is keeping you guys there, friends, family, business, etc? I can understand if you're older(30+) in the city but I can't relate to you younger guys toughing it out there, what is so good about Toronto that keeps you guys there?

For you young T.O based cats, you could do any of the following tomorrow and I guarantee you will increase your poon flow:

-Move to the Rockies (Banff, Lake Louise, Whistler, etc) and work at a resort, room and board paid for and lots of foreign (UK, OZ and Quebecois) pussy up there

-Move to the East Coast (Halifax, St.John's, Moncton, Etc), get a random gob, enjoy the great night life and exploit the great M-F ratios there

-Move to Tofino, pitch a tent, work at a cafe and surf everyday, hit on tourists, etc.

If its really that bad, why are you guys staying there?

Business reasons.

I actually was going to school somewhere else which was a much better place and I had a good social circle etc. A lot easier than TO with hotter girls.

But since me and my biz partner decided to focus on business full time(a tough decision to make, but one I felt would force out of my comfort zone and make me grow faster) Toronto is the best place because of the ability to maintain extremely low costs living at home. Also staying here helps with networking as this is where we've gotten our first offline clients(as opposed to clients over the internet).

However, I'm going to be minimizing time here slowly. I'm looking at taking a 1 month winter trip to the DR or Mexico or somewhere warm. As my cashflow gets better and things are established business wise I can take longer breaks away from TO and eventually spend less than 3 months/year there.

Right now women aren't my top priority, I go out occasionally but only enough to keep my social skills intact.

Post: #63

I just met some girls from Toronto, and I was throwing shit about Toronto.

Their comeback?

"Toronto is the 4th most multicultural city in North America."

Post: #64

(12-08-2013 05:01 AM)soup Wrote:  I just met some girls from Toronto, and I was throwing shit about Toronto.

Their comeback?

"Toronto is the 4th most multicultural city in North America."

I wonder what the first 3 are?

Post: #65

(12-08-2013 05:01 AM)soup Wrote:  I just met some girls from Toronto, and I was throwing shit about Toronto.

Their comeback?

"Toronto is the 4th most multicultural city in North America."

Soup I hope that your reply to that was something along the lines of "ya but your mayor hits the C-pipe" or "the Leafs haven't won a cup since the 60s".

Post: #66

(12-08-2013 04:43 AM)scotian Wrote:  I don't understand the Toronto based guys who complain about how hard it is when there are greener pastures in other places in Canada. What is keeping you guys there, friends, family, business, etc? I can understand if you're older(30+) in the city but I can't relate to you younger guys toughing it out there, what is so good about Toronto that keeps you guys there?

If its really that bad, why are you guys staying there?

School. Also, my current best post-grad opportunity is in this city. If that pans out, I'll be here 'til at least 2016. If not, sayonara.

Post: #67

I like this going on. In fact, I wish everyone in the city started doing the same. I want to see where the shit lands after the whole things goes to the gutter. I already hear woman complaining through the world that people are leaving them alone. I will ready my popcorn.

Post: #68

(12-08-2013 05:07 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 05:01 AM)soup Wrote:  I just met some girls from Toronto, and I was throwing shit about Toronto.

Their comeback?

"Toronto is the 4th most multicultural city in North America."

I wonder what the first 3 are?

I'm going to guess Brampton, Markham and Vancouver.

Post: #69

I feel sorry for these guys.

I know in the process of learning game, I said some retarded stuff for women, and tried some really stupid things.

I had no idea what I was doing, but I was humble and willing to try anything. It was only through this brutal process of trial and error that I actually found what worked.

It sounds like these would-be PUA's have shitty instructors. Having gone through the frustration of trying to make bad advice work, I wish these guys just had the support they need.

If we had a society that valued sexuality and love, instead of demonizing these men, they'd support them in their desire to become more attractive men and find what actually works.

Post: #70

This angers me bc I know the girls these guys are approaching are average. So now these idiots are making these girls feel like they are more special and entitled, their little brains are telling them they are so beautiful because x amount of dudes approached them today.

Post: #71

(12-08-2013 12:22 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  I feel sorry for these guys.

I don't. They are putting the cart before the horse by approaching and ignoring self improvement. Pua is the worst thing you can give a man to get laid. Its like telling someone to rebuild a small chevy v-8 with an acetylene torch. A destructive and non-productive path that leaves men bitter and worse off than they were. Plus of course the path of devastation they cut out before giving it up.

Pua is a scam plain and simple. Guys buying into it are the same ones that spend all their money on Ralph Paul and Shamwow infomercials.

Post: #72

Rude boy actually that's not true. Girls who aren't that confident will get insecure about thirsty guys approaching them because they'll start wondering if they look slutty or like low hanging fruit.

You got to understand that almost everything that motivates women stems from anxiety concerning social rejection.

Post: #73

Soup - no offence bro, but I have lived in Toronto for over 30 years. I hear how these girls talk and know how they think.

The RSD thing made me cringe when I first heard about it.

A lot of young decent guys are crying in this city, it a war zone to say the least.

Post: #74

(12-08-2013 12:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Soup - no offence bro, but I have lived in Toronto for over 30 years. I hear how these girls talk and know how they think.

The RSD thing made me cringe when I first heard about it.

A lot of young decent guys are crying in this city, it a war zone to say the least.

They got to get more subtle game, can't be crying about this kind of thing.

Post: #75

The more women cry harassment the more we will objectify them. They should be flattered that they are being approached at all. They need to learn how to politely reject a man without causing a scene.

My friend's wife was dancing at a club with 3 of her girlfriends while we sat at a table and drank. She got approached by two guys that wanted to dance with her and her friends. She blew up at them like a psycho-cunt "I'm married!!". My friend reamed her out after. Guys don't know your relationship status when they approach. They just see a fine girl and see what's up. Women have no social graces these days. They want to have the married life but live the single life.