Post: #26

Black girls or not, I approach as myself. You can only change/control parts of yourself (clothes, attitude, habits, physique, etc.) and adapt a little to their culture (eg. speaking their language or talking about similar interests) to make yourself attractive/charming as you can be to them. If after all of these changes you still encounter these over critical bitches then it's their loss!

Next!

Post: #27

I have always dated primarily black women, but I will say that "business picked up for me" once I was mid/late 20's and black women were looking to marry. During my earlier years and ANY "down time", dated other races.

Post: #28

(05-13-2011 06:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I agree with what you said about having to act hard. That's especially true if you are in the ghetto or at a black nightclub. If you come across as pussified in any way, you simply aren't getting any, period. While I didn't grow in the ghetto, I did spend a summer as a teen with some family members back east that lived in the ghetto. And the culture teaches dudes to be hard, never show any weakness and approach any girl within sight that you like. If guys know you like a girl but won't approach her, you'd be ridiculed as a pussy and would get no respect from guys. That's why dudes in the ghetto learn game from a young age.

This reminds me of a teammate of mine. He does not live in the hood-he went to a good private school and his parents both have good jobs, enough to put them near to the upper middle class. Heck, he's going to an Ivy with me now.His background is different though. His parents grew up in what can be called "the hood" within inner city Philly. His parents and himself really "broke the cycle", so to speak-aside from them, there isn't much in the way of white collar careers and 4 year degrees to speak of, but there are a lot of unfortunate endings.
To sum it up, this teammate of mine straddles two worlds: he has been infused with many of the social traits stereotypical of "the ghetto" culture thanks to the status of his family and his parents' upbringing, but their ability to "break the cycle" and become upper middle class has allowed him to have a far better academic and economic life status than most others with that upbringing. He gets the "cool" traits of the ghetto culture without any of the downsides.

His example taught me just how important game was in that culture. The dude just loves women-he approaches like a machine, and can instantly recognize even the slightest indications of interest from a girl and capitalize on them. He'll turn those into hookups like clockwork.

I asked him why he maintains this lifestyle and needs to approach so many women. His response(I'm paraphrasing here)?

"Well, Athlone man, the thing is that my dad keeps an eye on how I do."
"Wait, what?"
"Yeah man. I mean like we will talk on the phone like every day or so and he'll always ask me how many girls I've got on lock right now, how many I've got targeted, how many I approached and how many I closed the deal with."
"You're serious?"
"Yeah man. You don't understand-if my dad heard that I was just not bothering approaching or getting with chicks, he'd be mad tight-like, seriously mad."

Bottomline: You know the type of pressure many parents put on kids for grades and extracurriculars? That's the type of pressure black guys in this culture(like my friend) get from their male authority figures get about girls(fathers aren't usually present in black America, but big brothers, uncles, and other guys send the same message). This transcends class, btw: while this mentality originates in urban areas, plenty of upper middle class black kids like my friend are practicing it the same way, and nearly ALL black girls expect it(regardless of class-exceptions are few). To not approach and close the deal regularly is to fail a duty to your parents in much of black America, and to essentially become an outsider.

I had no idea it was taken this seriously, but it did explain why I always felt a little out of place among many black Americans. The male norm in that culture teaches disrespect of men who don't approach like machines and develop game early, and I never fit that bill. Hence, no real respect.

Quite an instructive realization, actually.

Post: #29

(05-13-2011 09:21 AM)Moma Wrote:  Black women will tend to find guys like Matthew Mcconnahey (fcuk the spelling!) hot, George Clooney, John B, Brad Pitt and probably Johnny Depp.

All types of women find those men attractive.

Post: #30

(05-14-2011 04:16 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  Bottomline: You know the type of pressure many parents put on kids for grades and extracurriculars? That's the type of pressure black guys in this culture(like my friend) get from their male authority figures get about girls(fathers aren't usually present in black America, but big brothers, uncles, and other guys send the same message). This transcends class, btw: while this mentality originates in urban areas, plenty of upper middle class black kids like my friend are practicing it the same way, and nearly ALL black girls expect it(regardless of class-exceptions are few). To not approach and close the deal regularly is to fail a duty to your parents in much of black America, and to essentially become an outsider.

I had no idea it was taken this seriously, but it did explain why I always felt a little out of place among many black Americans. The male norm in that culture teaches disrespect of men who don't approach like machines and develop game early, and I never fit that bill. Hence, no real respect.

Quite an instructive realization, actually.

Interesting story. When I was in 8th grade, I was shy as hell. Hadn't even gotten so much as a peck on the lips from a girl. I did make a few early attempts growing up but got shut down hard, which is probably what set me on a path to being beta with girls. So anyway, between 8th and 9th grade, I spent a summer back east. There was a function I went to where there was this girl that I liked. She was an acquaintance of a female cousin. My older male cousin(brother of the female cousin) who was always mackin made me call her. I was protesting saying, "no I'm too shy to call her, I don't want to". He was like "get in here and talk to this damn girl now!" He picked up the phone, dialed the number and shoved the phone in my hand. And then he stood there to make sure I talked to her. I don't remember how long the conversation went, maybe 15 minutes. If I ever have a son, that's exactly what I would do if I see from an early age that he's shy with girls. That shit has to be nipped in the bud early.

If I had grew up under this dude, I'd have grown up the right way. I grew up with a father but my dad was beta with women and basically did nothing to push me in the right direction. I guess he figured I'd just get there on my own. He might ask every now and then if I have a girlfriend, but that was about it.

Post: #31

A few things:

(05-13-2011 11:27 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(05-13-2011 01:52 AM)houston Wrote:  Black girls have always liked me since I was in high school and I have no idea why.

I have the same experience as Houston. I am a 5'11" Hispanic guy, and american black girls 90% like my looks and style, and they are very verbal about it too.

It is very common for black girls to yell out "hey papi" to me from across the street when they are in groups (the middle class ones)

Dudes, this has been my observation too: black girls simply love them some Latin dudes (especially "a certain type"). There's something about the Latin swagger and look that just hits the spot for them. And, yes, they love getting into character too, hollering shit like "papi" and "caliente" even at inappropriate moments. There's a lot less work involved (and skills required) in this match-up--the way I suspect it must be for white guys gaming Asian girls nowadays. I didn't start exploiting my Latin "appearance" until recently, hilariously assuming black girls just acted that way with everyone, and since I generally focus on other demographics anyway.

But a few weeks ago, I was chilling with this group at a bar that included an American-born Caribbean black-girl and a mixed black-and-white girl, when two suited-up, good-looking black dudes (no homo) came in and immediately tried to snatch them up. I let it proceed, since didn't really know (or like) the girls that much and I suspected the black dudes' game didn't match their crispy look. They proved it within seconds, foolhardily gesturing to the girls what they wanted to drink, immediately proceeding to buy said drinks, and standing there spitting lines like a couple of salesmen. Meanwhile, I hung back, shaking my head to myself at their sorry game, and enjoying some playoff basketball on the TV monitors.

A few minutes later, the girls wandered back to my vicinity and I decided to pounce--mostly for sport and to prove a point.

Tuthmosis: How'd it go over there?
Caribbean Girl: Fine. Those guys bought us drinks.
Tuthmosis: Oh, is that right? How was their game?
Caribbean Girl: Not bad.
Tuthmosis: I bet mine is better.
Caribbean Girl: I'm sure it is. [grinning]

I pointed to my cheek for a congratulatory kiss. She quickly gave me that kiss. I gestured to the other cheek and she complied with that too. I boldy gestured to my lips and she didn't hesitate. Before I could do or say anything else, she started rubbing my dick through my jeans. It was like she was waiting for an invitation.

That's all it took. We ended up at my place later that night.

Those black dudes (who I hope saw all of this transpire) simply didn't stand a chance.

(05-13-2011 01:58 PM)theIVth Wrote:  Mexican men have it the best tho. You will see a short fat mexican man with a bad mexican chick far more often than you will see anything else.

This is true, especially in the Southwest. If I had to pick a group anywhere where I've consistently seen the biggest gaps in looks (hot chick, torn-up dude), it's in the Mexican demo. The only caveat is that it's almost always in fresh-of-the-boat situations. (Americanized Mexican girls often adopt the silly American ways we all know and despise.) It just goes to further prove the power of game. The only explanation is that these dudes know their ethnicity-specific game and are natural alphas.

(05-14-2011 04:16 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  Bottomline: You know the type of pressure many parents put on kids for grades and extracurriculars? That's the type of pressure black guys in this culture(like my friend) get from their male authority figures get about girls(fathers aren't usually present in black America, but big brothers, uncles, and other guys send the same message).

This is simply astounding. I'll bet that a sizeable majority of the guys on this board did not get this growing up.

Post: #32

(05-14-2011 05:37 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  If I had grew up under this dude, I'd have grown up the right way. I grew up with a father but my dad was beta with women and basically did nothing to push me in the right direction. I guess he figured I'd just get there on my own. He might ask every now and then if I have a girlfriend, but that was about it.

I think I will push my sons to interact with girls early as well. It won't be to quite the same competitive extent as I outlined in my anecdote about my teammate, but my boy will be well used to talking to attractive women by the time he gets to my age. I'm not going to let him grow up and have the crippling issues I had in high school.

Post: #33

(05-14-2011 05:50 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  This is simply astounding. I'll bet that a sizeable majority of the guys on this board did not get this growing up.

The entirety of my dad's advice on women is as follows:
"Dad, we have to talk about sex and relationships for health class."
"Do we have to do this? This isn't something appropriate for your age, you know."
"I'm in 9th grade! Other kids started having relationships in middle school!"
"I didn't. Your mother was the first relationship I'd ever had, and that was sophomore year of college. Are you telling me you know more than I do? Is that what you're saying?"
"No, I don't! I mean, I don't want to do this either! But Coach says we have to tell him 5 things we learned or I'll get a zero!"
"Fine. Go ask your mother."
"I did, she told me to ask you."
"Ok, fine. My advice is... don't do it."
"Do what?"
"Have sex."
"Why?"
"Because it's disgusting and morally wrong. God considers it a sin unless you're married. And it's very easy to get all sorts of diseases that can't be cured. Also, any sort of nontraditional intercourse, such as oral sex, or sex with non-whites, is wrong. There, that's five things. Now leave me alone."
"What about relationshi-"
"Did you not hear me?"

YAY RESPONSIBLE PARENTING

Post: #34

(05-14-2011 08:16 PM)thecrazyfool Wrote:  YAY RELIGIOUS PARENTS

Fixed.

Post: #35

(05-14-2011 08:18 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(05-14-2011 08:16 PM)thecrazyfool Wrote:  YAY RELIGIOUS PARENTS

Fixed.

No, my dad is just a hypocrite. I once was going through old family memorabilia for a school project and found an extremely sexually explicit letter that my dad had written to my mom back in college when they were having premarital sex. My dad also is famous for saying: "I don't like getting up on Sundays. That's why we don't go to church" and "I don't need to read the Bible, I don't need God telling me what to do."

Oh, just for fun, here's my mom (who got around quite a bit) on the subject, in 7th grade:
"Mom, there's this girl I like in my class, and I think she likes me too. How do I ask her out?"
"What? A girl likes you? Well I feel sorry for her, because she obviously doesn't know you well enough yet, or she wouldn't!"
"Mom, please! She's really nice, and I like her hair. And when she smiles at me, I feel happy inside!"
"You don't deserve someone like that! A nice girl who doesn't know what she's getting into! I don't know where you get this false sense of entitlement from. You think other people should do things for you without you having to lift a finger! You're selfish, you know that? So FUCKING selfish!"
"B-b-but-"
"Don't you dare talk back to me! I bet she's a little tramp, too! That's why you like her! A little slut! Does she make you feel good? Did she touch you? Tell you she cares about you? Because she's a liar! It's just a joke, and everyone's going to laugh at you! You are just so damn clueless! A stupid piece of shit! Just like your father, ruining other people's lives, spreading misery wherever you go! If I find out you so much as talk to this girl again, I'll make you sorry you did!"

My mom would make a great car: 0 to bitch in 2.5 seconds.

Post: #36

get the hell out of that family!

Post: #37

In Europe, there are lots of African women fresh of the boat from their home country. The FOB's are mostly golddiggers in my opinion, but the ones who have been living here since their early years are approachable and are okay. I've been gaming this Nigerian girl since last week who has been living here almost whole here life, she's adorable and damn hot although she's not a slut who took her clothes off on the first date. Well I consider myself a handsome stud but everyone has their preferences.

I love reading this forum but alot of stuff here just doesn't seem the same like where i'm from. Girls in Europe are different than girls in the USA I guess. I'm from Belgium and I only go for African, Asian or Latin girls. I'm 100% white and they seem to love it, although I know quite a few girls who say they prefer Spanish or Italian guys because Belgian guys are kind of distant and shy in some way.

Anyway, in my city it's FULL of FOB's. Can't walk one street without seeing an Asian or African person. I usually approach in the street or shops, most White girls I go to talk with seem distant and don't want to chat up with a stranger like me, but when I approach foreign looking girls it's usually bingo and I walk away with their phonenumber.

Post: #38

(05-15-2011 08:27 AM)Tommy Wrote:  I love reading this forum but alot of stuff here just doesn't seem the same like where i'm from. Girls in Europe are different than girls in the USA I guess.

Trust me when I say that, compared to other populations of black girls in Africa, The Caribbean, Latin America and Europe, American black girls are an ENTIRELY different animal to deal with.
Many of the bad things guys are saying about them here and on many other sites online are unique to them as a population group, and don't apply as consistently to the other half a billion black women on Earth.

Post: #39

(05-15-2011 02:22 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  Trust me when I say that, compared to other populations of black girls in Africa, The Caribbean, Latin America and Europe, American black girls are an ENTIRELY different animal to deal with.
Many of the bad things guys are saying about them here and on many other sites online are unique to them as a population group, and don't apply as consistently to the other half a billion black women on Earth.

This.

Post: #40

(05-13-2011 06:59 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  I would like to date black girls, but they don't respond very well to me. Cape verde girls, yeah!

From my limited experience Black chicks are way more into masculine men than any other race of women.

While IMO all women prefer tall men, black women pretty much demand it along with some muscles/bulkiness. I'm not saying you have to be a bodybuilder or anything but they seem appreciate a well built or even husky guy. Where your typical white girl prefers the 6'4" marathoner look.

My best friend is half white half Mexican 6'4" 260lbs and has to almost literally push them away. He does well with all women but the way black women approach him, you would think he was Denzel.

Post: #41

(05-15-2011 08:27 AM)Tommy Wrote:  In Europe, there are lots of African women fresh of the boat from their home country. The FOB's are mostly golddiggers in my opinion, but the ones who have been living here since their early years are approachable and are okay. I've been gaming this Nigerian girl since last week who has been living here almost whole here life, she's adorable and damn hot although she's not a slut who took her clothes off on the first date. Well I consider myself a handsome stud but everyone has their preferences.

I love reading this forum but alot of stuff here just doesn't seem the same like where i'm from. Girls in Europe are different than girls in the USA I guess. I'm from Belgium and I only go for African, Asian or Latin girls. I'm 100% white and they seem to love it, although I know quite a few girls who say they prefer Spanish or Italian guys because Belgian guys are kind of distant and shy in some way.

Anyway, in my city it's FULL of FOB's. Can't walk one street without seeing an Asian or African person. I usually approach in the street or shops, most White girls I go to talk with seem distant and don't want to chat up with a stranger like me, but when I approach foreign looking girls it's usually bingo and I walk away with their phonenumber.

May I ask what city in Europe you live in, please?

Post: #42

(05-14-2011 05:50 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  A few things:

(05-13-2011 11:27 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(05-13-2011 01:52 AM)houston Wrote:  Black girls have always liked me since I was in high school and I have no idea why.

I have the same experience as Houston. I am a 5'11" Hispanic guy, and american black girls 90% like my looks and style, and they are very verbal about it too.

It is very common for black girls to yell out "hey papi" to me from across the street when they are in groups (the middle class ones)

Dudes, this has been my observation too: black girls simply love them some Latin dudes (especially "a certain type"). There's something about the Latin swagger and look that just hits the spot for them. And, yes, they love getting into character too, hollering shit like "papi" and "caliente" even at inappropriate moments.

I have also noticed that Russian guys who are into Black chicks do very well with them. I have seen a couple of them in action and gotta say I was very impressed. The ones I seen were the epiphany of blunt straight to the point take-no-prisoners "Game."

Quote:While IMO all women prefer tall men, black women pretty much demand it along with some muscles/bulkiness. I'm not saying you have to be a bodybuilder or anything but they seem appreciate a well built or even husky guy. Where your typical white girl prefers the 6'4" marathoner look.

This is only really true with Inner city Black chicks(whether she's a hoodrat or yuppie) Black or interracial chicks from the suburbs or places where they grew up with a lot of White people are usually into the same type of guys White chicks are into. Women for the most part are followers, they are into whatever type of guys their group of girlfriends are into(if they are alone in a strange city then is a different story).

Post: #43

(05-16-2011 10:10 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  I have also noticed that Russian guys who are into Black chicks do very well with them. I have seen a couple of them in action and gotta say I was very impressed. The ones I seen were the epiphany of blunt straight to the point take-no-prisoners "Game."

I've witnessed some of this myself. I don't think 'beating around the bush' is even part of the Russian (or Ukrainian) DNA. It might be an EE thing but I could stand here to be corrected...

Post: #44

(05-13-2011 02:07 AM)Seven11 Wrote:  I agree on some points, most importantly the great emphasis placed on looks. What I tend to find is African-american women are constantly under pressure. The pressure to be beautiful, to have nice things and be secure. Blame BET and other black networks for creating such fallacies. (This touches on race but don't be offended) Black women are seeking beauty in white standards, i.e, the straight hair and lighter skin in some instances. White women do not place as much emphasis on looks as black women do because they do not feel as pressured through media to do so. Which has created such a social norm for them to always desire the most attractive and the best. AGAIN not all African-american women are like this but the great majority are, especially ones located in urban areas. They care too much about what others think than themselves. Their friends would dog them out for being with a man not as attractive as them.

But as an african-american I would have to say black people are their own worst enemy. Hopefully some of this post helps or makes sense!

That is a well spoken answer, and only someone in denial would disagree with this! I feel its a big reason why so many black guys start dating out of their race in the first place. It's the acceptance of women of other races that give them impression on reputation that "white women are nicer", that you hear so many black guys mention. Your Wacka Flacka, Kobe Bryant, Chris Brown types do not have trouble with black women, because their height, relative good or 'in style' looks and height give them enough social value to be acceptable in the eyes of many black women. In other words, attractive black women are in many cases, just too hard to get! A white or Hispanic girl, who is into black men, many times is just happy to have a black! They're not quite as aware of what is the ideal in the black community, so they are more likely to give an average black guy a chance. Note, I said average, not ugly or bottom of the barrel.

One thing I've noticed is that a very attractive black women almost always feels she needs to be with someone either very good looking and tall, rich, or on the top of the heirechy in their class, be it business man, baller drug dealer, captain of football/basketball team, etc. On the other hand, I will see a hot Latina dating a Latin gardner, with basic looks! I will see hot, white women, with white guys who only have decent jobs, have basic looks and many times, feminine mannerisms! Only black women do I see as a whole having these stringent standards of looks and class. That is, until they reach 40, and realize that the Prince Denzel Charming, is coming to rescue them, or they finally realize that you can't have a 9-5 working, respectful to women, take care of his kids and mow the lawn, thug!

Post: #45

(05-13-2011 01:58 PM)theIVth Wrote:  Im a black man and this post is dead on.

Ive always said that you are far more likely to see a barely average looking white guy with an above average looking white girl then you will see an average looking black guy with an above average looking black girl.

Mexican men have it the best tho. You will see a short fat mexican man with a bad mexican chick far more often than you will see anything else.

Black women just dont settle. Thats it. Their patience is very thin. White girls will end up falling for you because they dont want to be mean and will inadvertently start liking you because of the leeway they give you.

Not black girls tho. If its not to the point where they just CANNOT deny you.....they not fucking with you.

Your thoughts spot on what I've experienced!

Post: #46

Lol, @ Kobe Bryant (he's married to a latina,not a sista). I agree with most everything you said. However when you state that many white or hispanic girls who are into black men are just happy to be with a black guy, isn't this obvious? Many Asian women who date white guys are just happy to be with ANY white guy. And vice a versa with the guys in many of these interracial situations. Although this isn't always the case.

Post: #47

(05-13-2011 03:21 PM)houston Wrote:  Yeah I've never seen a short, fat Mexican guy with a bad Mexican girl. Where do u live where this is a regular thing?

I was living in Bakersfield, CA, 100 miles north of LA, and I won't say I saw fat, balding Mexican guys with bad Mexican girls, but I have seen MANY a Mexican guy, with 0 muscle tone, extremely average looks facially, $45,000 a year job at best, and jealous and controlling, with hotter than they should be Mexican women! I have seen this enough to determine that it's not rare, and far more common than in the black community! I also find far less single Mexican guys than I do black guys. I've lived all over California, from Los Angeles to the Bay and only 2-3 times in my life have I seen the Alicia Keys black girl dating the Roger Thomas from "What's Happening" black guy!

Post: #48

(05-12-2011 11:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  As a black man I can tell you there are loads of black women on dating sites looking for love. The attitude is just a front, but I have seen many times an average non-black man dating a hottie black woman. The expectation for a black man will always be higher, black women will be more critical. I myself am 5'11" and have been told by a black woman that I just about make the height requirement. lol
Roissy has a good blog but his opinions about black women and minorities in general is fucked up. He once said Black women are easy and more than likely have STD's, which is complete garbage (PLEASE do not quote statistics to me).

If you like Black women then I would approach as you would a normal woman. There are many (In the USA - I assume) that do not date outside of there race but I am sure there are just as many that do. Alot of them have given up on Brothas, but most Brothas are too busy dealing with "other" women too worry about them.

Didn't read through the rest of the thread so if this has been covered, my bad.

Black women do have a higher rate of STD contraction and diagnosis (especially in DC).

Quote:The rate of HIV diagnoses for Black women is 15 times the rate for White women...

http://caps.ucsf.edu/factsheets/black-women/

It's not going to stop me from seeing this sexy cheerleader that hit me up on OKC though.

Post: #49

(06-02-2011 02:05 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  Lol, @ Kobe Bryant (he's married to a latina,not a sista). I agree with most everything you said. However when you state that many white or hispanic girls who are into black men are just happy to be with a black guy, isn't this obvious? Many Asian women who date white guys are just happy to be with ANY white guy. And vice a versa with the guys in many of these interracial situations. Although this isn't always the case.

I'm aware Kobe is with a Latina. I was just using his looks as an example of a guy who generally wouldn't have a problem with even the hottest black girl.

Well, to a degree, people who like others of a different race tend to feel somewhat privileged or at least fascinated just to have someone of the race their into. Again, which goes back to what I said about it sometimes being easier for an average black guy to get with hotter white or Latin girl, than he could a black girl. Again, this usually works during the younger ages. I think as black women get older, they grow out of this, either due to maturity, or necessity. Lucky for them, black women generally hold their age pretty well.

Post: #50

This is an interesting topic.

Im white, and black girls always show me love. Granted Im not attracted to 90% of black women. Im only attracted to light skinned grls like Beyonce, Hailey Berry, Christina Milian, Lauren London, Trya Banks, Claudette Ortiz ect. So I never really take it further than just some quick flirting.

I dont really know what to think on this matter regarding blk women and being about looks as I dont never see many attractive blk girls in NC for me to take notice.

I damn sure know I see good looking white and latin girls with ugly dudes on the regular.