Just read it. Very interesting. Yes, I knew all of this before, but it's still very satisfying to see it clearly explained, I'll definitely leave a review.

I mean there is no doubt that any hot girl you meet is probably talking to multiple guys at the same time, but I have had girls be honest about it. Not everyone lies about it. The last girl I dated seriously flat out asked my if I was dating other people after a month and she said that she was. She was honest about it and said that she wanted to be exclusive, not trying to hide shit. It made me feel like I could trust her. She could have been playing me , who knows it has happened before.

Though I will say great book, I downloaded it thinking I was going to read the first few pages and ended up reading the whole thing.

Also, I am going to start doing this with every girl I think I could get serious with though. I question how effective it would be though, do people really email on facebook that much? I don't have one so I don't really know.

Damn, Amazon doesn't allow reviews for people who haven't ever bought a physical book... I'd give it 5 stars otherwise because it's a good, interesting and quick read - if you ever have a beta urge because of a dry spell or something I suggest you read this book, it'll make you rational again.

I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.

Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.

Here is the review

Quote:To sum up, the writer recounts of his experiences of using a key logger on 10 different women. He calls them relationships, but in every case, he said he refused to have an exclusive relationship with any of them.

Naturally, they all look elsewhere. The writer uses his key logger and every time says "Ah ha! They were with other men!" And then he confronts them about it and of course they lie.

Most of the epilogue is nonsense as well. I do agree with what he says to "avoid making a big deal about a woman's minor lies." I will go you one further, when you go on a couple of dates with a woman and are not in a relationship with her, expect her to have other men in her life. And if you confront her and ask her if she has other men in her life, expect her to lie about it. This should not be some sort of revelation to anyone.

The only good news is that I did not pay anything for the book, it was free for about a week. But I still feel like I totally wasted my time. It would be like if a guy rents 10 really nice cars for 2 days each, and then wrote a book claiming he now knows what it was like to own many exotic cars and the book will talk about how they work over months and years, would that book be worth reading? Of course not. Also, it is a total violation of someone's privacy to hack into their email and facebook messages, and pretty sure it is illegal. Ironically, he calls one of the women he dated an "internet stalker", and that was the name of the chapter, and I thought it was going to be some sort of realization that he had turned into an internet stalker.

I have nothing but disgust and pity for the writer, I have actually had a girlfriend that read my email and facebook messages(I was asleep but still logged in), so I have zero sympathy for the key logger. Was I really expecting any great insights into relationships or ethics in his conclusion? No, and there weren't any either. He acted like a child with all of the women, not a man.

As for the book itself, it is full of typos and extremely redundant(most of the chapters follow the same format: key logger meets a girl at a bar or online, has sex with her and gets her facebook and email passwords after asking her to log into to her facebook on his computer so her could see more photos of her. He sees her one or 2 more times and asks her about other men in her life, she lies about other men, he claims some moral high ground, gets disgusted with the woman and ends stops seeing her. And then in the epilogue says "OK, now after these experiences, I am basically a relationship expert after seeing how much women lie during relationships, here are my thoughts and expert opinions." The book does not go anywhere and there is nothing to be gained by reading it.

I don't know...this just seems like bad form. I've had my accounts hacked by exes so its hard to relate.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.

Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.

Here is the review

As this happened before just read the end. I'm sick of people saying shit that's already in the book.
Yes it's unethical i said that in the book, I also said I don't think anybody should do it.

No these girls were not "trash". 4 of the girls I got from day game. Not to mention you think every girl that goes to a club or signs up for a dating website has to be "trash"?

I dated some of these girls for months, and yes when a girl tells me she loves me, I expected that she wouldn't be flirting with other guys hours later.

Just because it was un-ethical doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from it. I know it may have struck a nerve because of a past experience, but you are not the only guy here who has been key logged. And as much as you would like to believe "i can tell if this is an honest girl." you can't sorry. But I'm getting much better at doing that. You know why? Because it made it easier to see beyond the good girl act that these girls try to show the world. But there are some things you think you can find, that you never will.

@master_thespian I find your critique very out of place and I'll go point by point to show why.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

So you're saying girls within your social circles are of a different breed than those the OP got? Are you sure girls in your social circles don't go to parties and bars and online like the OP's girls do? Has it occurred to you that those girls are also part of somebody else's social circle? And that to their social circle they present an image very different than what they do with outsiders? Good luck with your pre-screening.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  OP takes the trash home and has sex with them...

Again I wonder where you can get non "trash" girls in today's western society.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical!

Some of the girls were asked much later than the second date.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless.

I (and many others) found them quite eye opening, not that we didn't know what kind of games girls play, but it's very convincing that no matter how much a girl loves you and looks innocent and your inner child wants to believe her, if you wanna know the cold hard truth then you can never rely on her words and treatment of you alone. And I include in this group girls from your social circle as well.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

I have the impression that these are the only two authors who you consider are able to teach us anything.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie.

Sounds like you didn't read the second part because there are plenty insights in his analyses. Or if you did then please explain which insights you consider unhelpful.

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written.

I very much liked the writing style, it's very clear and easy to follow, I wonder why you think it's not "well written". And the typos are too rare to be annoying or anything.

(11-14-2013 12:02 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.

Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.

Here is the review

As this happened before just read the end.

Oh I read all of it, including the ending which i found to be the most problematic of the book, which I will explain why.

Quote:I'm sick of people saying shit that's already in the book.
Yes it's unethical i said that in the book, I also said I don't think anybody should do it.

No these girls were not "trash". 4 of the girls I got from day game. Not to mention you think every girl that goes to a club or signs up for a dating website has to be "trash"?

Online dating can be OK if you find girls that are new to the site, otherwise they will be constantly told how hot they are and develop a shite attitude.

Similarly, girls that like to go to clubs, if they are even slightly above average looking, will have dozens of guys complimenting them and inflating their ego beyond repair.

Look at the best looking women at a club on any given night. Count how many men try to approach her in just one night. Hundreds. Now let say she regularly goes to clubs starting at age 21, by the time she is in her mid 20s, she will have had thousands or tens of thousands of guys try to fuck her. How can that not affect her ego and corrupt her personality?

Quote:I dated some of these girls for months, and yes when a girl tells me she loves me, I expected that she wouldn't be flirting with other guys hours later.

This is why I found your conclusion to be problematic. IF a woman had said to you,

" I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship."

and you reply,

"alright, I agree and feel the same way." and then she went and was telling another guy hours later that she loved him, then you would be totally right. But that isn't what happened.

She would say, "I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship".

and you reply

"Hell no!" and hours later she is running to the arms of another man, telling him that she loves him, she isn't the one that fucked up, you are the one that is fucked up by being shocked that she would go and see other men after you just totally rejected her and said that you were not in a relationship with her. Does that make sense?

Quote:Just because it was un-ethical doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from it.

Your conclusions are problematic because you flat out say "here is what I learned from these 10 relationships." You were not in any relationships.

The best response I can give you is this: pull the book off of amazon. Hopefully you are at least using a pseudonym, because hacking into someone emails isn't just unethical, it is illegal, if any of these women ever try to press charges, you have openly admitted your guilt. Why do that to yourself?

Quote:So you're saying girls within your social circles are of a different breed than those the OP got? Are you sure girls in your social circles don't go to parties and bars and online like the OP's girls do? Has it occurred to you that those girls are also part of somebody else's social circle? And that to their social circle they present an image very different than what they do with outsiders? Good luck with your pre-screening.

No I am simply saying that women will be more likely to cheat with someone outside of their social circle because it is less likely to come back to them. If they meet someone new that has no connection to their circle, they are more likely to feel like they are free to tell whatever lie they want, more likely to cheat because they are less likely to get caught and it blowing up in their face. Does that make sense?

Quote:I very much liked the writing style, it's very clear and easy to follow, I wonder why you think it's not "well written". And the typos are too rare to be annoying or anything.

A few of the chapters were so redundant and repetitive, I thought I had already read the chapter and had to double check, but it was just that it was nearly identical to a previous chapter. That was what I didn't like.

Quote:Sounds like you didn't read the second part because there are plenty insights in his analyses. Or if you did then please explain which insights you consider unhelpful.

I considered them all to be unhelpful because the key logger is flat out saying "This is what I learned from these ten relationships" yet he had zero relationships. Sex does not = a relationship. It is like renting a car for a couple of days and then writing a book on how that car works over the course of months and years and what to watch out for.

Quote:I have the impression that these are the only two authors who you consider are able to teach us anything.

Not at all. In fact, in a few of roosh's books he says straight out that he isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing what is proven to work. Bang is much cheaper than most of the books on the market about game.

Hopefully this cleared up a few things.

Quote:I (and many others) found them quite eye opening,

I just couldn't take it(the ending) seriously because of the total lack of logic and common sense: if you hook up with a girl and have sex with her once or twice, don't ask her about other men in her life because nothing good can come of it.

If you get to the point where you are dating a woman for a couple of months and both agree to not fuck other people, then yes, that would actually be a relationship.

The key logger never actually got to that point with ANY of these women and to try to justify making any of the conclusions he is making about how women behave while in a relationships is preposterous.

(11-15-2013 02:40 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:02 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.

Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.

Here is the review

As this happened before just read the end.

Oh I read all of it, including the ending which i found to be the most problematic of the book, which I will explain why.

Quote:I'm sick of people saying shit that's already in the book.
Yes it's unethical i said that in the book, I also said I don't think anybody should do it.

No these girls were not "trash". 4 of the girls I got from day game. Not to mention you think every girl that goes to a club or signs up for a dating website has to be "trash"?

Online dating can be OK if you find girls that are new to the site, otherwise they will be constantly told how hot they are and develop a shite attitude.

Similarly, girls that like to go to clubs, if they are even slightly above average looking, will have dozens of guys complimenting them and inflating their ego beyond repair.

Look at the best looking women at a club on any given night. Count how many men try to approach her in just one night. Hundreds. Now let say she regularly goes to clubs starting at age 21, by the time she is in her mid 20s, she will have had thousands or tens of thousands of guys try to fuck her. How can that not affect her ego and corrupt her personality?

Quote:I dated some of these girls for months, and yes when a girl tells me she loves me, I expected that she wouldn't be flirting with other guys hours later.

This is why I found your conclusion to be problematic. IF a woman had said to you,

" I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship."

and you reply,

"alright, I agree and feel the same way." and then she went and was telling another guy hours later that she loved him, then you would be totally right. But that isn't what happened.

She would say, "I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship".

and you reply

"Hell no!" and hours later she is running to the arms of another man, telling him that she loves him, she isn't the one that fucked up, you are the one that is fucked up by being shocked that she would go and see other men after you just totally rejected her and said that you were not in a relationship with her. Does that make sense?

Quote:Just because it was un-ethical doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from it.

Your conclusions are problematic because you flat out say "here is what I learned from these 10 relationships." You were not in any relationships.

The best response I can give you is this: pull the book off of amazon. Hopefully you are at least using a pseudonym, because hacking into someone emails isn't just unethical, it is illegal, if any of these women ever try to press charges, you have openly admitted your guilt. Why do that to yourself?

Quote:So you're saying girls within your social circles are of a different breed than those the OP got? Are you sure girls in your social circles don't go to parties and bars and online like the OP's girls do? Has it occurred to you that those girls are also part of somebody else's social circle? And that to their social circle they present an image very different than what they do with outsiders? Good luck with your pre-screening.

No I am simply saying that women will be more likely to cheat with someone outside of their social circle because it is less likely to come back to them. If they meet someone new that has no connection to their circle, they are more likely to feel like they are free to tell whatever lie they want, more likely to cheat because they are less likely to get caught and it blowing up in their face. Does that make sense?

Quote:I very much liked the writing style, it's very clear and easy to follow, I wonder why you think it's not "well written". And the typos are too rare to be annoying or anything.

A few of the chapters were so redundant and repetitive, I thought I had already read the chapter and had to double check, but it was just that it was nearly identical to a previous chapter. That was what I didn't like.

Quote:Sounds like you didn't read the second part because there are plenty insights in his analyses. Or if you did then please explain which insights you consider unhelpful.

I considered them all to be unhelpful because the key logger is flat out saying "This is what I learned from these ten relationships" yet he had zero relationships. Sex does not = a relationship. It is like renting a car for a couple of days and then writing a book on how that car works over the course of months and years and what to watch out for.

Quote:I have the impression that these are the only two authors who you consider are able to teach us anything.

Not at all. In fact, in a few of roosh's books he says straight out that he isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing what is proven to work. Bang is much cheaper than most of the books on the market about game.

Hopefully this cleared up a few things.

Quote:I (and many others) found them quite eye opening,

I just couldn't take it(the ending) seriously because of the total lack of logic and common sense: if you hook up with a girl and have sex with her once or twice, don't ask her about other men in her life because nothing good can come of it.

If you get to the point where you are dating a woman for a couple of months and both agree to not fuck other people, then yes, that would actually be a relationship.

The key logger never actually got to that point with ANY of these women and to try to justify making any of the conclusions he is making about how women behave while in a relationships is preposterous.

Ok I get it, if you have had a past bad experience with a girl doing this to you, you are not going to like it. It's clear you are thinking on emotion now.

Half of the 10 relationships were 1 to 6 months. I had all types of relationship anywhere from 1 night to 6 months. Do you know the definition of a relationship?

An intimate relationship is an interpersonal relationship that involves physical or emotional intimacy. Physical intimacy is characterized by romantic or passionate attachment or sexual activity.

Yes every single one of the 10 was a relationship.

Quote:if you hook up with a girl and have sex with her once or twice, don't ask her about other men in her life because nothing good can come of it.

And you are saying that you should expect girls to lie to you off the bat? Oh wow you just taught half the guys in the world something, that definitely doesn't deserve to be in a book. On top of that I asked girls months in that continued to lie.

Quote:"She would say, "I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship".
and you reply
"Hell no!"

Yeah except I never replied hell no. I told her how much I care about her and that I feel the same way, I just said I wanted more time to know. You are making stuff up again and again... getting sick of replying to this.

When an entire forum of guys who know girls thinks one thing and a guy that "had a bad experience when a girl did this to them." is the only one who doesn't get it.... I'm sure you are really thinking logically and not with a psychological anchor to your bad experience.

(11-07-2013 10:21 AM)20Nation Wrote:  Years back I installed a key logger on my laptop and it's about all the relationships I have had and what I have seen. It talks about Cuckoldry and many things I have read about women doing online, but never really got a chance to see for myself.

I finished my newest book a couple weeks ago and I'm giving it away for free for the next 5 days (It's usually $8.99) and I wanted the forum to be able to check it out.

I'm giving it away for free, so all I ask is that you guys leave a review.

Thanks.

The Key Logger: A Forbidden Glimpse into the True Nature of Women

CLICK HERE TO GET THE BOOK

This book is proof that simple, logical ideas are often, very good and fruitful.

I mean, the idea of putting the keylogger on and making the laptop available to women, is in itself simple, - so simple I wish I had it before - , and it did bring enlightening results. Especially as to the scope of their cheating on us men.....

I would need a massive key logger program because I've got a lot of girls I'm seeing right now.

(11-15-2013 10:30 PM)soup Wrote:  I would need a massive key logger program because I've got a lot of girls I'm seeing right now.

No Soup, given that you are "seeing lots of girls right now", what you need and probably are (lucky you), is a massive pussy logger

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh

Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.

Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.

Here is the review

Quote:To sum up, the writer recounts of his experiences of using a key logger on 10 different women. He calls them relationships, but in every case, he said he refused to have an exclusive relationship with any of them.

Naturally, they all look elsewhere. The writer uses his key logger and every time says "Ah ha! They were with other men!" And then he confronts them about it and of course they lie.

Most of the epilogue is nonsense as well. I do agree with what he says to "avoid making a big deal about a woman's minor lies." I will go you one further, when you go on a couple of dates with a woman and are not in a relationship with her, expect her to have other men in her life. And if you confront her and ask her if she has other men in her life, expect her to lie about it. This should not be some sort of revelation to anyone.

The only good news is that I did not pay anything for the book, it was free for about a week. But I still feel like I totally wasted my time. It would be like if a guy rents 10 really nice cars for 2 days each, and then wrote a book claiming he now knows what it was like to own many exotic cars and the book will talk about how they work over months and years, would that book be worth reading? Of course not. Also, it is a total violation of someone's privacy to hack into their email and facebook messages, and pretty sure it is illegal. Ironically, he calls one of the women he dated an "internet stalker", and that was the name of the chapter, and I thought it was going to be some sort of realization that he had turned into an internet stalker.

I have nothing but disgust and pity for the writer, I have actually had a girlfriend that read my email and facebook messages(I was asleep but still logged in), so I have zero sympathy for the key logger. Was I really expecting any great insights into relationships or ethics in his conclusion? No, and there weren't any either. He acted like a child with all of the women, not a man.

As for the book itself, it is full of typos and extremely redundant(most of the chapters follow the same format: key logger meets a girl at a bar or online, has sex with her and gets her facebook and email passwords after asking her to log into to her facebook on his computer so her could see more photos of her. He sees her one or 2 more times and asks her about other men in her life, she lies about other men, he claims some moral high ground, gets disgusted with the woman and ends stops seeing her. And then in the epilogue says "OK, now after these experiences, I am basically a relationship expert after seeing how much women lie during relationships, here are my thoughts and expert opinions." The book does not go anywhere and there is nothing to be gained by reading it.

Literally no woman deserves respect or love. Like the vast majority of them.. Just fuk them and break their hearts because they're stupid enough to believe they deserve love after cutting a swath through a chit ton of semen.

Think of the time you will spend trying to find a decent girl. By the time you do, you would have wasted a shiit ton of money and effort, and time and it wont even be worth it anymore. You would have burned yourself out.

(11-17-2013 03:45 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  Literally no woman deserves respect or love. Like the vast majority of them.. Just fuk them and break their hearts because they're stupid enough to believe they deserve love after cutting a swath through a chit ton of semen.

Think of the time you will spend trying to find a decent girl. By the time you do, you would have wasted a shiit ton of money and effort, and time and it wont even be worth it anymore. You would have burned yourself out.

Sorry Every10GivesMeA10, your experiences and life lessons don't count (as neither do any other man's on this forum).

What is most important for master_thespian is that after he was hurt by someone who used a keylogger against him, now he finally got an opportunity for a revenge, and he went out of his way to hurt the author of the book by rating him 1-star on amazon and now he's throwing it in his face here on this forum, but of course he can't be so direct, instead he has to justify his actions with some hamster-logical arguments.

Let's shred one of them to pieces:

(11-13-2013 06:06 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.

(11-14-2013 02:00 AM)Caveman Wrote:  So you're saying girls within your social circles are of a different breed than those the OP got? Are you sure girls in your social circles don't go to parties and bars and online like the OP's girls do? Has it occurred to you that those girls are also part of somebody else's social circle? And that to their social circle they present an image very different than what they do with outsiders? Good luck with your pre-screening.

(11-15-2013 02:40 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  No I am simply saying that women will be more likely to cheat with someone outside of their social circle because it is less likely to come back to them. If they meet someone new that has no connection to their circle, they are more likely to feel like they are free to tell whatever lie they want, more likely to cheat because they are less likely to get caught and it blowing up in their face. Does that make sense?

Just from this statement alone I doubt he has any valuable real life experience with women. I see pure couch potato theorizing. Let's see the conclusions we're supposed to draw from this argument and the actual reality:

Conclusion #1: If you come from a girl's social circle then she'll be more honest to you than if you were from outside.
Reality: master_thespian it's good you admit that you "haven't studied it at length", because many of us actually have, and this includes the author that you tried to hurt, he wrote a whole book about it, and although he didn't get a single girl from social circle, all his conclusions apply there as well. I'll give you a definition: Girls will always lie to the maximum extent they can get away with and then some more. All that matters is whether it's about something that's important to her, and sexual relationships are important to everyone. So maybe if you're from her social circle she'll have somewhat less room to lie on a few facts about her life that everyone already knows, but her motivation will never be less in any case.

Conclusion #2: Women are less likely to cheat the guy if he comes from her social circle.
Reality: Do I even need to even bother to debunk this??? I wonder how come from all these websites and forums and authors trying to teach us about picking up women for the past 15 years and more, no one has said before: If you want a girl who's unlikely to cheat on you, then get her through social circle.

Conclusion #3: Women are less likely to cheat when there's a danger that they might get caught and it could blow in their face.
Reality: Maybe true in some rural areas in some third world countries where people rarely meet anyone from outside their village, but I can't imagine an urban girl of a today's western country who doesn't have plenty of opportunities for cock that is from outside their social circle and they believe they won't get caught. So plenty of cock for her without the danger that you mention. So even if there is any truth to this conclusion, it totally doesn't apply to today's modern world.

(11-18-2013 04:45 AM)Caveman Wrote:  =snip-

lol, if i really wanted to 'get back' or whatever at the key logger as you suggest, i would have made 50 amazon accounts using hushmail and left 50 one star reviews. The whole thing would take about an hour and a half.

As for the women and lying, you've got me wrong: I totally believe a woman's default response to any sort of personal question is to lie, so I just don't ask those questions.

As for women and social circles, I think you underestimate the effort a woman will go to avoid been seen as a liar and a whore by her friends, even if she is in fact a liar and a whore.

All of this is moot. I've thought about it and am convinced the entire book was a work of fiction. Think about it: how often do your one night stands want to use your laptop to check their email and facebook? Most women have smart phones.

The OP is saying that he would ask them to log into his computer to see their sexy photos on facebook, but women today would just take out their iphone and pull up some photos if you request that. There is nothing inherently wrong about writing a work of fiction by the way, most books are fiction. But this just doesn't add up.

This is a vet interesting thread. Who knew people would have such strong reactions. I guess that is a point in favor of the e-book.

I read it and left a review. The book is good for what it is: a lesson in what women are capable of. However, don't make more of that then it is. Men are capable of all sorts of shadiness as well. Lots of men grow up believing that women are the sweet, innocent, and more honest sex. That bullshit. Not only are women just as capable of dishonesty as men, but they tend to be much better at it.

My only comment for 20Nation is that you seem to catch feelings awfully quickly, which should be a tip off to the type of woman that you're dealing with. If you meet a girl on Monday and by Wednesday you're spending every day with her, you're likely dealing with a girl who requires a lot of attention. That type of girl is definitely going to be juggling dudes, because she probably is terrifiies by the idea of being alone ever. When I meet a girl, I assume that there are other dudes in the mix, so it's hard for me to imagine feeling this kind of betrayal. My guess is that this stuff happened to a younger, less worldy you.

I don't think it's a good idea to spy on one girl. The whole process reeks of insecurity, and it will manifest in your behavior with her.

The things that you're afraid of in a relationship will happen BECAUSE you're afraid. A woman can't resist doing something that can expose her man as weak, it's part of their nature.

(11-18-2013 05:28 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  All of this is moot. I've thought about it and am convinced the entire book was a work of fiction. Think about it: how often do your one night stands want to use your laptop to check their email and facebook? Most women have smart phones.

The OP is saying that he would ask them to log into his computer to see their sexy photos on facebook, but women today would just take out their iphone and pull up some photos if you request that. There is nothing inherently wrong about writing a work of fiction by the way, most books are fiction. But this just doesn't add up.

One night stands? Not many if you read the piece. I think you make a couple decent points but invalidate them with statements like this.

He already explained that he wanted to see pictures on a bigger screen and there's other situations (like a girl's phone battery dying) that would allow for this.

Call him a fake, a fraud, whatever, but don't make such weak statements as proof that it doesn't add up.

Personally, the biggest issue I saw is that he somehow seemed to trust these girls that he rated as reasonably high on the slut scale (6+ out of 10) which makes no sense. What makes even less sense is that a girl he perceived as 7 in sluttyness he'd then bump up to an 8 or 9 after learning things that seemed to shock him.

There's a strange disparity in his ratings and his words.

My next biggest issue is just that it was really repetitive. There wasn't a lot of uniqueness between girls (the situations ranged somewhat but a few of the girls could've easily been interchanged or at least how he described them they were not much different from an example/learning perspective).

(11-15-2013 02:40 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  Online dating can be OK if you find girls that are new to the site, otherwise they will be constantly told how hot they are and develop a shite attitude.

Similarly, girls that like to go to clubs, if they are even slightly above average looking, will have dozens of guys complimenting them and inflating their ego beyond repair.

Look at the best looking women at a club on any given night. Count how many men try to approach her in just one night. Hundreds. Now let say she regularly goes to clubs starting at age 21, by the time she is in her mid 20s, she will have had thousands or tens of thousands of guys try to fuck her. How can that not affect her ego and corrupt her personality?

Jesus I'm tired of this myth that I often hear from the "daygame only" brigade.

Have you ever dated a solid 8+ the 18-21 range? They ALL go to clubs. They are ALL attention-whoring on social media sites. They are ALL getting attention from tons of guys. They ALL have orbiters and male "friends" trying to bang them night and day. In other words, they ALL have egos beyond repair. That is why we use game.

Just because you meet a girl through daygame that doesn't make her any less hypergamous. Without exception, the hottest girls I've dated all brought trouble along with them. That's just the way the universe works.

Apologies for bumping such an old thread, but maybe you get a sale out of it and won't mind

I read the book and I have a question... you confront the women obviously not by telling them that you keylogged them, but by demanding they show you their Facebook voluntarily or they'll never see you again. Among the 25, none asked you to reciprocate and let them read your Facebook chats?

This book not free anymore btw

MODERN KEYLOGGING


I haven't read the book from this thread but during a short period in Thailand I became addicted to spying on the girls I brought to my place. Haven't done any since then, but I just saw this thread bump and it's the occasion for me to share my experience with it, as well as remembering the good times (a bit of nostalgia).

It was supposed to be a purely scientifical study but I must admit I got to enjoy the perversions that spying on girls from my computer procured me (the voyeuristic aspect of it as well as the fact of being a cuckhold). It went to a point where I just hoped the girls I keylogged would fuck a lot of other men and I'd get disappointed sometimes when I didn't get my "what a little slut" fix. What I have seen has opened my mind, and I must add that before that I had already got my fair share of bangs (around 50-75). Before that, I had never even tried to check any of my girlfriends and my bootycalls' phones. I just assumed that their sexual escapades were occasional at best or non-existant, and that the other guys were working harder than me to get them.

What I can tell you is that all the girls had at least some side-sex stuff going on, and a good part of them were complete sluts who'd ride from cock to cock. There was only one where I (disappointingly) couldn't find much evidence but I'm pretty sure it's because she usually bangs Thai men and I was just lazy to do the google translate on her messages in Thai language (the translations of Thai are very bad).




TECHNICAL ASPECT OF KEYLOGGING :

- Facebook : The easiest. I'd just tell her to log her facebook on my computer so I can "check her life and she can show me her friends". If she said she can show on her phone, I'd sulk and say I can't see anything there. I'd run a bash script in the background that records the keyboard. It got to a point where getting the facebook credentials became more important to me than getting the bang.

- Tinder : With her Facebook credentials I could log on her Tinder most of the time.

- Line (messaging app in Thailand) : While she sleeps in my bed I'd take her phone and log her Line on my Line Chrome extension with QR code. Can only do that if there is no password on her phone (many girls don't have a password suprisingly) but I found a trick to circumvent this in case she has one : When she's checking her phone I'd order her to take a shower. Phones usually have a 2 or 10 minutes window where you don't need to enter the password again after she locks the phone. Knowing I only had a few minutes to do the dirty business while she takes the shower was very exciting and addictive too.

- Whatsapp : Impossible because of a sticky notification on the phone when it's logged on the computer but fortunately people don't use whatsapp much in Thailand (except from the biggest foreigner sluts unfortunately)

- Spying app on Android : There is also a free app on Android to spy on a phone but it's limited in time (have to pay after 1 week) and doesn't work well always (relies on notifications on the phone to record the messages so long messages are cut-off). Basically the spy app runs on the victim's phone and you can log on a dashboard on the app's website to check all her activities. One good point of this app is you can get the GPS coordinates live, as well as the call / SMS history, and the pictures they take on their phone (sometimes they take slutty pictures on their phone but will not send them to anybody). Unfortunately for iOS it needs to be jailbroken so cannot install the app on the girl's iphones (many of them have iphones)




EVENT THAT TRIGGERED MY KEYLOGGING THIRST :

I had met a 18 years old girl from Tinder who came have a drink with me in a bar. She looked totally into me and came in with a nice dress and make-up. She told me she had only had 1 boyfriend and another guy before (both in another city) and looked so sweet. She told me I was the first guy she met in this city. Closing her was surprisingly (not so surprisingly now) easy. Her pussy felt not tight at all (red flag that I ignored at the time because I was happy and wanted it to stay that way). Actually the sex was not good at all as it felt like fucking a bucket of water.

After the bang I was surprised by how unresponsive she was. I don't even know why I texted her since the sex had not been good due to her gaping pussy. I guess it's because I enjoyed the company of a 18 years old who speaks good english and is not dumb (she studied medicine). Next week at night I texted her and she asked if she could come over. I said yes and she arrived 10 min later by scooter, drunk. She had been in a bar. She let her phone on the table and crashed asleep on my bed after 30 min of talking.

Hence, for the first time in my life, I checked her phone. I must admit it was a bit out of insecurity but also a lot out of curiousity. Why was this girl who seemed so into me last time, was unresponsive now?

I opened her Line / whatsapp and saw many chats with other foreigners. I saw that she had fucked 3 other guys this week. I felt aroused but at the same time trembling of rage. What a little tramp! But the breaking point was when I checked into more details the exchange with those guys : One was treating her like a complete sex-toy, even told her to go buy the condoms for him before she comes over. Another guy had cummed into her pussy and she was submissively texting him if she was going to be pregnant. I felt completely humiliated to be the nicest guy of her bootycalls, but at the same time hysterically happy. Some strange mixture of trembling anger and of deep relief. I think it was the most red-pill moment of my life (apart from my first rejection from my onetis in middle school). It was raining hard and there was thunder outside. Still, I walked out in the rain and laughed like a total maniac. I walked a bit in the rain to the 7/11 to buy cigarettes. Then I went back home and after calming down I was still trembling. I kinda wanted to hurt or rape the girl sleeping in my bed. Or simply to throw her out right now. I think throwing her out would have helped me to sleep but I didn't do it. I decided to accept this divine moment of truth.

Anyway, after this day I wanted to do a scientific approach of studying girls on their phones to get a deeper understanding of their sexual lives, hence the keylogging.




KEYLOGGING STORIES (Note that I don't only bang young girls. But I'd keylog only the young girls, I don't find it really exciting to spy on the older girls. Also I have spied on a few other girls than those subjects but my memories of them are a bit blurry) :


- 18 years old pale slut (Tinder)

Tall, pale girl who just broke up with her 10 days boyfriend (lol...), she was from another city, and from the spying I made if I understood correctly he was living in my city and she wanted to come give him a parting gift. But before meeting him, she met me the day before, straight to my condo to have sex and sleep in my apartment. Very loose pussy. Then after meeting him the next day, she went to a popular bar and got banged by yet another foreigner. I managed to track it down with the GPS history as I saw she went to a different place than her hotel. This girl was litterally on a bang mission this weekend, I remember she was texting even other foreigners about meeting up but who were not available or aloof (she was a bit picky on her matches hehe).

- 20 years old big boobs slut

Maybe the hottest Thai girl I've fucked. Huge boobs (naturals, C/D cup I'd say) for her tall and slim figure, stylishly dressed. The meetup story gives no value to the keylogging subject but I'm pretty proud of this one so I'll write it : I was going to meetup with a Tinder girl, I thought it was her waiting (she was giving strong eye contact) and she thought I was her Tinder date! After 20 seconds we realized we made a mistake, I tried to pull her anyway, I said our dates can meet each other instead. She said it would be impolite but we exchanged our Line and 1h later she was texting me her Tinder date was boring and asking where I was. After I banged my date I told this girl we can meet where we met earlier. Met her there and pulled her straight to my place.
Anyway, I setup my Line spying while she was sleeping (and after she had swallowed my cum) and this girl was my favorite spying subject. What a slut!!! She had a harem of guys on rotation who'd give her a lot of attention, she'd meet one almost every day. This girl would usually pick a guy to meet from her Line during the afternoon then meet him the night. Weirdly, she prefered guys that showed her emotional attention and were not aloof, contrarily to the usual Thai girls. There are some pretty funny stories in her conversations. For example an ex-boyfriend (farang) drug addict who used to beat her texted her one time then she completely stopped replying the other guys for maybe 2 days, except from a few emotional tampons who'd talk with her to help her to "forget him" (she didn't). Also one time she copy-pasted her drama story about being at the hospital and hinting that she hasn't much money to pay the bills, she will have to work so hard etc.


- 19 years old inexperienced girl (Tinder):

She had only had 1 guy before me, maybe 2 (not sure this guy on fb was the same as the one on her Line). Basically she wanted to be my girlfriend but I didn't want so I made her love me just enough to string her along, I could tell she was inexperienced and she loved to call me daddy during sex. Almost every time we met she was trying to make me more commited, but she'd also when at home text with her ex-boyfriend about sexual stuff, that he can fuck her and she can swallow all his cum. He'd also text her also about fucking her ass. I loved their sexting, very inspiring although a bit repetitive in the end. On her Tinder she'd never initiate conversation. She'd rarely log in and randomly stop replying to her matches. I kinda felt bad actually to spy on her because although she was doing this sexting, it was partly because of my attitude as I only used her as a sex-toy home-delivery. She definitely had some feelings for me, although weaker than for her first love. I made her cry a few times although I didn't want to. She was very nice to me and even took care of me when I was sick during 2 days. One of the tightest thai pussy I got too.


- 20-something years old slut (thaifriendly) :

Nothing special, she'd fuck and dirty talk with other guys. I didn't find her interesting. A lot of "daddy" in her text exchanges.


- 20-something years old 2 (thaifriendly):

A bit disappointed, only saw one booty-call after me. He booked her a uber and she came to his apartment directly. But she spoke a lot in Thai in her texts so maybe she's done more than I think, with her own kind.

You know how there are videos making the rounds where they attach a remote camera to an outdoor cat and you can see the strange adventures they get into during the day? Then you realize cats do more than just eat and sleep, that they have sort of a secret life.

That's kind of how this stuff is.

I'm not going to go into my own history with this sort of thing but I learned how no matter how close you think you get to a woman, there are private things she won't share. Even when people start to be vulnerable and share their dark sides they will hamster away and sugar-coat it. You only ever wind up being attracted to the person's facade.

(05-27-2018 11:24 AM)questor70 Wrote:  You know how there are videos making the rounds where they attach a remote camera to an outdoor cat and you can see the strange adventures they get into during the day? Then you realize cats do more than just eat and sleep, that they have sort of a secret life.

That's kind of how this stuff is.

I'm not going to go into my own history with this sort of thing but I learned how no matter how close you think you get to a woman, there are private things she won't share. Even when people start to be vulnerable and share their dark sides they will hamster away and sugar-coat it. You only ever wind up being attracted to the person's facade.

Actually there is something you can execute way better than a camera or even a key logger. It's pretty easy install and cloak a "baby monitor" app onto a mobile device which is accessible through a burner phone (don't use your own phone).

If you actually have physical access to a persons device you don't need any skill. A social engineering trick is say your phone died and need to make an emergency call to a sick friend or family member. Ask for some privacy and install away.

It takes some skill to remote install but I've done this to friends for fun and started talking to them while their out and about as a prank. I can activate their camera, speaker and mic from my burner device without them having a clue even if their using the phone. If you have access to a persons device for 10 minutes it's a cake walk.

Once you install just change the app icon to a cloud and call it Weather or whatever other useless app you can think of they won't click. You could simply bury the app into sys applications if you want to go next level but it takes some time and a bit of know how to go that far.

After that you've pretty much low-jacked the person. With access to an app on someones phone you can also see pretty much everything they do including, text, email, social media ect...

If you're not tech savvy and want to track all device communication they have these parental monitoring apps you could also cloak that registrar incoming and outgoing text, phone calls and social media, photos ect...

Also can be remotely installed with tech know how, but otherwise all you need is access to the device if you're a novice.

Note all the above stuff I'm saying is illegal in a lot of countries so I'm not advocating low jacking peoples phones. Installing key loggers is illegal as well if you're doing it to a person not acting as a knowing and willing participant.