Post: #176

Notch count is fun and competitive.

You can't text your friend and be like "oh man I fucked this super hot prostitute past night" and get the same kind of fun like a text like "I'm not sure if Kelly or Jessica left that hicky on my neck past night, but now I can't hang out with Jaimie or kaeylin for like three days"

Post: #177

(11-06-2013 09:10 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Whatever is said in this thread, keep in mind that p4p will never count as a notch.

When it's all said and done, who really cares about "notches"?

It's not like they are redeemable for store credit at the Walmart in Zanesville, are they?

Plus, when you get over 500, no one is going to believe you anyways. Especially on the all the people from Zanesville on the Internet.

People flipped the fuck out about 100 notches. A claim of 500 will give people an aneurysm around here.

I'm not into p4p, but I did do it my second night in BKK. Twice. Went with a couple dudes from my hostel to Nana Plaza and it was like being inside of Toys R Us the first time as a kid. Couldn't control myself. Banged one, then went for round two with another. It doesn't have the same appeal as pulling a chuck because there is no chase. Or buildup

That said, I occasionally grab a oil massage and tug on my way home from the gym. A small massage parlor by my gym aimed at Japanese tourists. No girls trying to drag you inside or any of that bullshit. Nice a quiet and clean. Go inside, shower up, get a killer oil massage on those legs after some heavy squats, and get a handjob that is better than most sex from a petite teenage Asian girl. A girl skilled at happy endings with oil feels amazing and is the most relaxing thing ever.

Went to a place in Saigon that was on the fifth floor of a hotel. It was like a men's club. Go in, they call you into the locker room where you put your stuff and throw on a robe. Go into the sauna and sweat out some of that booze. Jump into a cool shower real qucik, then head into a big, dimly lit lounge area filled with super comfortable recliners and flat screen tvs playing sports. They bring you fresh fruit and tea as you wait your turn. Place was filled with rich Vietnamese dudes, mostly younger, all drunk and half passed out from relaxing. Then smokin hot Viet girls will call you into one of the rooms to give you an oil massage and an aamzing handjob.

The place was really nice and pretty classy. Nothing like the places most people see in Bangkok. The girls were also much higher quality.

Finish up there then head outside to grab some noodles and go pass out and sleep like a baby before the sun comes up. Not sure what's not to like about that.

Post: #178

Who people fuck is their business. Why someone that could fuck super fine groupie chicks would want to fuck a whore in a brothel that probably got banged by 10 sleezy whore mongers right before him is also his business. At the end of the day, if the juice was worth the squeeze for him then no one can blame or judge him.

Post: #179

(11-06-2013 11:13 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  Who people fuck is their business. Why someone that could fuck super fine groupie chicks would want to fuck a whore in a brothel that probably got banged by 10 sleezy whore mongers right before him is also his business. At the end of the day, if the juice was worth the squeeze for him then no one can blame or judge him.

The debate here is the value of p4p vs. cold approach style game.

Also, you don't think that groupie sluts aren't already banging 10 "sleezy" guys all the time anyway?

Post: #180

(11-06-2013 11:19 AM)soup Wrote:  you don't think that groupie sluts aren't already banging 10 "sleezy" guys all the time anyway?

I don't know, but we do know that brothel whores are getting banged and nutted on all day by ANYONE that walks in and pays. I would guess that JB could pick out quality since his selection pool is so massive.

Post: #181

(11-06-2013 08:20 AM)soup Wrote:  Whatever is said in this thread, keep in mind that p4p will never count as a notch. The only way that p4p intertwines with notch is if someone bestows a whore to you as a present and you don't have to pay anything. In this situation, it can't be a thing where someone owes you $. It's the direct transaction of cash for pussy that separates game from p4p.

I really wouldn't count someone else paying on your behalf as a notch, either. Generally, my understanding of the term 'notch' means the girl is having sex with you because she wants to have sex with you (though, I'm not entirely sure where sugar daddies and favour sex stands here, sort of a grey zone). A prostitute having sex with you because your friend paid her is still doing it only for the money, and not because she finds you attractive or is otherwise horny. Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam.

Post: #182

His managers, who played golf with my teammates dad, hate him. They don't believe he will make it past 27.

I don't know what to say about him. We all go through ratchet stages in life where we feel untouchable.

There's times in life where you have fun without worrying about getting busted. And once you finally get busted you start to worry about life.

And on with the p4p debate, I say get it how you live. People wanna go in a building and pay for Pokemon go ahead. I ain't mad at ya. Times is hard out here.

But even though I go out each weekend to capture a Pokemon (and usually fail). I learn a lot more about them and myself in the process.

Some of these lessons I'd never learn if I just paid for it. And thats one of the disadvantages you'll face if you dont at least try to capture em.

Post: #183

(11-05-2013 07:47 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  These threads are funny to me now.

Why would Bieber pay for sex? He has more to lose if he does not.

Once you got real cash in your pocket, not just a stick in the bank but pushin up on mid 8 digit money... You have significantly more to lose with a "normal" relationship. Justin Bieber could out pull everyone on this forum even if he was forced to be a mute for the entire night, confined to a wheel chair with a shirt that says "fuck me" on it.

The only people who have the right to pay for sex IMHO are 1) wealthy as fuck people 8 digits+, 2) old dudes.

When you're 60 no amount of game will get you the same chick when compared to a G in your pocket.

"You pay for women with your time or money. You always pay with the tool that is cheaper"

With the above you'll always see the middle and lower class "against" what he did. For average joe making 3-10g's a month. Dropping a grand for a broad hurts. If you're making 100K+ a MONTH you're not even on he same planet.

If you give me $100M fucking LOL if you see me sip a drop of booze or so much as sneeze to get a 9 spot.

People don't realize what kind of power you get with that kind of money and fame. You have to see it.

Finally, if you open your eyes go and try to find the hottest chicks you've ever banged in your life on a website like seeking arrangement. Don't be surprised when your princess shows up.

All that said, most people will never even see that kind of success so you're better off with game and improving yourself because you'll make more money and have a more fulfilling life with game/career/fitness etc.

You make money and fame sound like a curse. Can't have normal relationships? That sucks.

Post: #184

(11-05-2013 03:03 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 02:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  She ain't gonna fall in love with you if you swooped her with money.

I will disagree on this point.

Girls fall in love with money all the time. Financial security is their primary aim and concern. If you have a lot of money, their hamster will find a way to "fall in love" with you.

What is love?

Who knows?

People fall in "love" for different reasons.? Money is a good enough reason for most girls.

I've seen pimps, hookers, and strippers fall in "love". Everyone has needs and wants. When these needs and wants get satisfied. People will say that they are "in love".

Half the girls in America fell in love for money.

You're confusing gold-diggers and whores.

Whores fuck for money.
Gold-diggers fuck because they are turned on by money.

Whores will fuck anyone who pays.
Gold-diggers are looking for a rich man to woo them.

Whores often date and fuck the lowest scum, roided out badboy types, when they aren't selling their pussy.
Gold-diggers date successful men (although they can be fat) who are generally powerful in some way.

Whores are the least trustworthy, worst types of women on the planet. Nearly any children they have will be doomed.
Gold-diggers can be sweet and loving, have all types of personalities, and many of them become decent mothers.

Whores are blunt and upfront.
Gold-diggers prefer subtlety about their preference for men with money.

Whores have notchcounts in the thousands (disgusting).
Gold-diggers can be near virginal or super slutty but nothing compared to a whore.

Post: #185

(11-06-2013 04:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You're confusing gold-diggers and whores.

Whores fuck for money.
Gold-diggers fuck because they are turned on by money.

Whores will fuck anyone who pays.
Gold-diggers are looking for a rich man to woo them.

Whores often date and fuck the lowest scum, roided out badboy types, when they aren't selling their pussy.
Gold-diggers date successful men (although they can be fat) who are generally powerful in some way.

Whores are the least trustworthy, worst types of women on the planet. Nearly any children they have will be doomed.
Gold-diggers can be sweet and loving, have all types of personalities, and many of them become decent mothers.

Whores are blunt and upfront.
Gold-diggers prefer subtlety about their preference for men with money.

Whores have notchcounts in the thousands (disgusting).
Gold-diggers can be near virginal or super slutty but nothing compared to a whore.

Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Post: #186

WWT knows his whores

Post: #187

(11-06-2013 04:44 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You're confusing gold-diggers and whores.

Whores fuck for money.
Gold-diggers fuck because they are turned on by money.

Whores will fuck anyone who pays.
Gold-diggers are looking for a rich man to woo them.

Whores often date and fuck the lowest scum, roided out badboy types, when they aren't selling their pussy.
Gold-diggers date successful men (although they can be fat) who are generally powerful in some way.

Whores are the least trustworthy, worst types of women on the planet. Nearly any children they have will be doomed.
Gold-diggers can be sweet and loving, have all types of personalities, and many of them become decent mothers.

Whores are blunt and upfront.
Gold-diggers prefer subtlety about their preference for men with money.

Whores have notchcounts in the thousands (disgusting).
Gold-diggers can be near virginal or super slutty but nothing compared to a whore.

Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Agreed.

Samseau, the more you talk on this subject shows you are living in a bubble with little real world experience.

No offense.

Or maybe you are an expert that has been with thousands of hookers and you know more than all of us.

Not sure which one it is.

Honestly, how many hookers have you slept with to have such expertise?

Post: #188

(11-06-2013 11:19 AM)soup Wrote:  The debate here is the value of p4p vs. cold approach style game.

Also, you don't think that groupie sluts aren't already banging 10 "sleezy" guys all the time anyway?

I don't really see it as a "debate." I'm not debating anything. Not taking any sides.

If it were a debate on which is better, I think all of us would agree that being a player is.

I, G, and other guys are just explaining why people who do in fact have game rely on p4p.

So if there is a debate at all, the discussion is over this question: Do only dregs and loveless losers do p4p?

If that is the question, then it has been conclusively proven that the answer is, No.

Post: #189

(11-06-2013 04:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  WWT knows his whores

They send me Christmas cards every year and sometimes a fruit cake.

Post: #190

(11-06-2013 04:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:44 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You're confusing gold-diggers and whores.

Whores fuck for money.
Gold-diggers fuck because they are turned on by money.

Whores will fuck anyone who pays.
Gold-diggers are looking for a rich man to woo them.

Whores often date and fuck the lowest scum, roided out badboy types, when they aren't selling their pussy.
Gold-diggers date successful men (although they can be fat) who are generally powerful in some way.

Whores are the least trustworthy, worst types of women on the planet. Nearly any children they have will be doomed.
Gold-diggers can be sweet and loving, have all types of personalities, and many of them become decent mothers.

Whores are blunt and upfront.
Gold-diggers prefer subtlety about their preference for men with money.

Whores have notchcounts in the thousands (disgusting).
Gold-diggers can be near virginal or super slutty but nothing compared to a whore.

Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Agreed.

Samseau, the more you talk on this subject shows you are living in a bubble with little real world experience.

No offense.

Or maybe you are an expert that has been with thousands of hookers and you know more than all of us.

Not sure which one it is.

Honestly, how many hookers have you slept with to have such expertise?

It's like saying, after a guy talks about why he doesn't drive shitty used cars, "Have you ever tried driving a beat up car before? Don't knock it before you try it."

Come on man. What are you arguing against here?

Quote:Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Girlfriend experience is just a whore who pretends to be your girl. How exactly does that counter anything I said?

Nowhere did I say that "all whores are street walkers."

Post: #191

(11-06-2013 04:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:44 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 04:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You're confusing gold-diggers and whores.

Whores fuck for money.
Gold-diggers fuck because they are turned on by money.

Whores will fuck anyone who pays.
Gold-diggers are looking for a rich man to woo them.

Whores often date and fuck the lowest scum, roided out badboy types, when they aren't selling their pussy.
Gold-diggers date successful men (although they can be fat) who are generally powerful in some way.

Whores are the least trustworthy, worst types of women on the planet. Nearly any children they have will be doomed.
Gold-diggers can be sweet and loving, have all types of personalities, and many of them become decent mothers.

Whores are blunt and upfront.
Gold-diggers prefer subtlety about their preference for men with money.

Whores have notchcounts in the thousands (disgusting).
Gold-diggers can be near virginal or super slutty but nothing compared to a whore.

Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Agreed.

Samseau, the more you talk on this subject shows you are living in a bubble with little real world experience.

No offense.

Or maybe you are an expert that has been with thousands of hookers and you know more than all of us.

Not sure which one it is.

Honestly, how many hookers have you slept with to have such expertise?

It's like saying, after a guy talks about why he doesn't drive shitty used cars, "Have you ever tried driving a beat up car before? Don't knock it before you try it."

Come on man. What are you arguing against here?

Quote:Samseau, have you ever heard of the "girlfriend experience?" If so, that would go against the stereotypes you listed. Surely you don't think all whores are street walkers. Where did you base your stereotypes on?

Girlfriend experience is just a whore who pretends to be your girl. How exactly does that counter anything I said?

Nowhere did I say that "all whores are street walkers."

Ok.

You just proved my point.

Post: #192

@samseau yes parts of money and fame are a curse. If you know real wealth they hide it. They don't drive ferraris.

The richest guy in my office drives a 2007 honda civic. He knows the game. That said, I am sticking to the same points I already made.

I would rather be really rich than really famous. Not even close.

I have noticed a slight divide on this forum with people who really believe they are going to pull quality in their 50's with "game". Okay. No. Now that we are back in reality, if you are broke at 50 your game is not going to get you much at all.

(Note I do not do any p4p)

Post: #193

"I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job." - Bill Murray

Post: #194

(11-06-2013 04:47 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 11:19 AM)soup Wrote:  The debate here is the value of p4p vs. cold approach style game.

Also, you don't think that groupie sluts aren't already banging 10 "sleezy" guys all the time anyway?

I don't really see it as a "debate." I'm not debating anything. Not taking any sides.

If it were a debate on which is better, I think all of us would agree that being a player is.

I, G, and other guys are just explaining why people who do in fact have game rely on p4p.

So if there is a debate at all, the discussion is over this question: Do only dregs and loveless losers do p4p?

If that is the question, then it has been conclusively proven that the answer is, No.

Agreed. Then shouldn't p4p be covered in the lifestyle section or something? It's like talking about cars or places to eat.

Unless it's an issue of legality that Roosh can't have people posting about p4p, or other things that are outlawed in America like drugs.

Post: #195

(11-06-2013 05:25 PM)soup Wrote:  Agreed. Then shouldn't p4p be covered in the lifestyle section or something? It's like talking about cars or places to eat.

No.

It will change the nature of the forum and attract the wrong types.

Roosh is right on that point and he's done a good job of cultivating a forum. (Very hard to do.)

Post: #196

(11-06-2013 05:27 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:25 PM)soup Wrote:  Agreed. Then shouldn't p4p be covered in the lifestyle section or something? It's like talking about cars or places to eat.

No.

It will change the nature of the forum and attract the wrong types.

Roosh is right on that point and he's done a good job of cultivating a forum. (Very hard to do.)

Are you implying that even though not everyone who uses p4p is a loser, the majority of them are?

Post: #197

(11-06-2013 05:31 PM)soup Wrote:  Are you implying that even though not everyone who uses p4p is a loser, the majority of them are?

That would depend on your definition of loser.

This forum is about bettering yourself as a man, traveling and picking up women.

p4p has nothing to do with any of that. I would bet the majority of guys that frequent p4p forums are not interested in the subjects we talk here.

Post: #198

(11-06-2013 05:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:27 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:25 PM)soup Wrote:  Agreed. Then shouldn't p4p be covered in the lifestyle section or something? It's like talking about cars or places to eat.

No.

It will change the nature of the forum and attract the wrong types.

Roosh is right on that point and he's done a good job of cultivating a forum. (Very hard to do.)

Are you implying that even though not everyone who uses p4p is a loser, the majority of them are?

Doesn't matter what population you are talking about the "majority" of anything are losers.

Winners are always going to be in the minority.

Post: #199

Samseau makes good points, but I love how he acts like he's the authority on just about every subject.

Post: #200

(11-06-2013 05:54 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Samseau makes good points, but I love how he acts like he's the authority on just about every subject.

Yes- this attitude probably contributes to his player prowess.

Even he is wrong, he talks as if he is right. That's conviction. Girls like that.