Post: #1

This thread is specifically for over 45-50 dudes gaming chicks at least 20 years younger.

Hate messages from young guys saying It's wrong, sick, pathetic or impossible are very welcome!! Hatred and disbelief are among my goals.

Someone made a comment here about how "young chicks like older guys, they just don't advertise it" because of fear of disapproval from their friends. I think young women ARE very vulnerable in a way guys don't understand.

a) Their friends are girls, therefore stupid, therefore don't recognize that their "wanting to help" their friend that's dating that "creepy old guy" is simply an expression of their own jealousy.
b) You little squeeze is also a stupid girl ( sorry) and she will actually listen to the jealous twits.
c) R. Don Steele pointed this out years ago in "How to Date Young Women" that the cockblock scenario is when her friends are "concerned" about her being "used" or whatever, or even implying she's engaging in prostitution. They want to "help" her. THAT's how they fuck you up.
d) You can and should innoculate her against Her Twitfriends saying that people often experience jealousy when a friend has something good as "concern" when actually they are trying to control her and keep limited to their circle.

I've had at least two little daddy fuckers (over 18 of course) 20+ younger than me orgasming like crazy -- and this was in the USA , and I only approach about once a week-- so I know it's possible, I just want to get MORE.

The main problem I'm thinking of is how to get the initial contact going without their peers ( workers at Starbucks, classmates, friends) etc being "tipped off" she's "dating that old guy". She might want to tell no one, or only very trusted friends who won't mock her about fucking a 40-60 YO. Her peer's lives suck so all they have to do is gossip about the lives of cute chicks who are willing to fuck.

Deniability.

This is one thing that worked at getting an 8 photography student anonymously to my house with her having deniability. In these situations reagarding her "friends", she could simply leave out that she's fucking me-- one important issue is "Will she be asked?" because she will be assumed to be lying.

She can say, "Oh, I work for this guy" , or if you just do solitary stuff like take her on motorcycle rides into the mountains ( Thank you Norcal) she can pretty easily simply not say anything and be getting dick she knows she shouldn't but likes.

Trial Run One) I advertised on Craigslist and got a very cute 19 YO photography student 8+ for an "organizer/cleaner/production assistant" as I was working a lot, setting up a movie production and my apartment was a mess. I told her I'd pay her for cleaning up the apartment but the on-the-jobtraining in movie production would be no money.

I had her over a few times and she helped me organize all my papers and wires and cameras and bicycles and we were flirting with but I chickened out.
I was talking to her on the phone once and she was picking up on it and even threw me a bone "Are you trying to say something?" .

This was a good test however. She was comfortable alone with me in my apartment and agreed to go out on an unpaid movie shoot.

I think having an old, real film movie camera was a DHV here, it wasn't just a little pierce of digital junk but a heavy metal thing, with the big film magazine sticking up out of it --obviously built to last years or decades.


2) I got another assistant 4 for about the same thing, but she was a chubby Asian that was most interested in getting drunk on beer. I even confronted her with it once, saying "That has tons of calories" but it seemed to go right over her head. I think she was one of those girls that has no sex drive or she wouldn't let herself look like that.
I didn't want to fuck her.

THE ADS:

I made it obvious I was intelligent and funny, and that I was not rolling in dough. Hopefully thing keeps the side slut vibe down.

"My apartment is, oh let's be honest, a disaster. I need to help to , well, excavate and get organized for my microbudget films."

I added that the work was in my apartment and home office so no surprises.

"Work on cleaning the apartment will be paid at ( I think I said 12-15 per hour) but you can come on test shoots if you want, learn and that wouldn't be paid for at least a few months. If I actually shoot a feature you'll get pay but it'll be really bad, like $35 per day. "

TAKEAWAY:
I was surprised young girls would go over a strange guy's apartment without any real credibility. I think I may have given them the web info for my private practice in health care, which might defuse a lot of suspicion.

I also met them before getting them over to my house at Starbucks so they had a chance to check me out.

Once they'er there, they know they can do whatever and no one has to know unless she wants them to. YOU don't know her friends so you can't rat her out, and she doesn't have to tell anyone anything.

Post: #2

Ingenious!

Post: #3

This sort of thing could work great in los angeles, loads of young women that want to be famous.

Are you actually paying these girls? My only concern is that if they are actual employees, you could be setting yourself up for a sexual harassment case.

Post: #4

(10-12-2013 05:19 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  This sort of thing could work great in los angeles, loads of young women that want to be famous.

Are you actually paying these girls? My only concern is that if they are actual employees, you could be setting yourself up for a sexual harassment case.

I paid them off the books, I don't think any of them rose to the reporting threshold of $400 in a single year.

I have no assets, I have a fixed small income from something like a spendthrift trust, I am almost 100% completely judgement-proof except against the IRS and child-support.

In fact, even if I got a felony, the money continues-- but women look at me more as a humorous, too-beta to take seriously guy, I've never had a really vindictive ex. I am actually quite considerate and don't get in to ugly arguments.

The most important thing about the money is to keep them from feeling whorish. The artsy chicks I like who would be good at this ( able to help with production assistance) don't really want to feel like I'm hiring them for sex, especially for something like 12-15$ per hour.

The ways to avoid this I think are to separate the work and quasi-social meetings both in financial and location terms.

Quasi-Social meetings:
a) Invite them to a shoot location NOT at apartment
b) Agree that this isn't a paid shoot ( as agreed on in beginning. ) maybe at a pretty naturalistic location.
c) Bring booze and snacks.
d) Drink and then say "Oh, can't drive for a couple hours..."
hahaahh

Post: #5

Not to be a party pooper here, but I think that strategy could turn out quite badly, due to the fact that you're mixing money and sex. The above sounds like A LOT of stories in the media where they villify some photographer for 'tricking' young girls into bed with promises of this and that.

I don't personally think there is anything wrong with it, but I think you're walking a thin line here and there is a real risk of being charged with sexual harrassment.

Post: #6

yes the strategy could turn out bad, but has already turned out good. I'm not going to live in fear, I'm a sensitive guy and won't brutalize some girl without realizing what I'm doing.

I could get charged with some phony charge for making a pass at ANYONE; so I just have to
balance the risks.

The good side of being a beta is women rarely get REALLY pissed off at you.

Anyway, I can't see me realistically catching a felony for making a friendly pass. And as I said, my income is
safe from legal charges and lawsuits.

I'm not going to live in fear of conspiracies.

Post: #7

These are interesting ideas

I wonder how I can use Craigslist as a young guy to get some more women(outside of w4m ads which are all but useless)

Post: #8

(10-12-2013 09:40 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  These are interesting ideas

I wonder how I can use Craigslist as a young guy to get some more women(outside of w4m ads which are all but useless)

I can tell you what you can do that I can't: Play music with young women. Advertise in the "Muscians Wanted" etc.

All the band ads I see specify with surprising strictness the age of the people they want to play with.

"We're 20, so we want someone around the same age."

Young girls musicians are the hippest of the hip, so they can specify only fun young boys can play.

I can assure you I hate you , which is the highest compliment!!!

Don't just have one girl singer though. YOU should start the band and "allow" people in. Women are particularly good at bass and keyboards, they
are willing to play simple parts. They generally lack the muscularity to play driving guitar and or drums.

Post: #9

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Post: #10

IKE why are you going the long route, There are enough atleast 10-20 % of young 20 yr old who would be attracted to older men, Game them as Usual and strike when the Iron is hot, though the concept is hard to digest.

In your scenario when the girls are Isolated under a false pretense or plausabile deniability, there would come a point where you would have to polarize them to procced the seduction route or not. In my limited experience the earlier you reveal your Intentions the better. They all know what's up .......

As far as their friends getting in the way, One of my friend starts the conversation with " Can you keep a Secret...... I can too ". I totally agree with you that you have to poison them against their friends. Same friend of mine was banging two bff's with out either knowing about the other.

Post: #11

(10-13-2013 02:09 PM)Lothario Wrote:  IKE why are you going the long route, There are enough atleast 10-20 % of young 20 yr old who would be attracted to older men, Game them as Usual and strike when the Iron is hot, though the concept is hard to digest.

In your scenario when the girls are Isolated under a false pretense or plausabile deniability, there would come a point where you would have to polarize them to procced the seduction route or not. In my limited experience the earlier you reveal your Intentions the better. They all know what's up .......

As far as their friends getting in the way, One of my friend starts the conversation with " Can you keep a Secret...... I can too ". I totally agree with you that you have to poison them against their friends. Same friend of mine was banging two bff's with out either knowing about the other.

Good point, just have to increase the approaching a lot.

Any specifics about poisoning ( I would call it inoculating them) against friends.

I guess there's two factors, keeping it secret and then helping her become immune to their "help."

Post: #12

(10-13-2013 05:50 AM)calihunter Wrote:  http://www.laweekly.com/2013-10-10/news/...enko/full/

Wow, useful info. TLDR--

--FSU Immigrant brother and sister scammer pair come to USA

--woman contacts you looking for work, works for you a bit off the books--you think you're doing her a favor--

--years later they turn around and fabricate trumped-up labor law complaints.

--Also do nuisance lawsuits, some so unlikely they are laughable ( Suing DMV for failing psychopath brother on road test.)

--They get the State in on their BS, then try to extort blackmail from the victim to drop the complaint.

However, I see the problem here as less about labor law and more about screening for psychopaths entering your life; because a psychopath can victimize
you in innumerable ways-- stealing your stuff, alienating your neighbors or employer, filing false rape charges.

The easiest way to screen for psychopaths is to insist on a history of reliability that you can verify.

This is why a young girl you see reliably and politely working in some retail setting has low odds of being a psychopath, although she could have a boyfriend or brother who is one.
A psychopath will be late, rude, or so lazy that they will generally not survive long facing the public. Other employees may be wary of them. She might hook to get out of working.

Actually anyone you meet without knowing their history at all, could be a psychopath. Anyone who's recently arrived, claiming to be under stress, needing "help", with no conneciton to local known stable people....watch out. Someone might even (falsely of course) say that about player men in poor countries.

An added point maybe being-- immigrants are harder to read because you don't know "normal" non-verbal cues.

Post: #13

I don't know, you might be over thinking this. I treat ALL girls/women the same, regardless of age. Let them know you are sexual interested in them in no uncertain terms and see if they respond in a positive way. If you get a positive response, escalate. If you don't, move on. Doesn't matter if they are working cleaning your house or not. Some girls are going to have more chemistry with you than others and age has little to do with it. Now, if you want to have a "relationship" with them, well, that's a different story...

Post: #14

Age is overrated and a obstacle we put in our minds.

Most young guys aren't competition for an older interesting well travelled man.

Post: #15

I agree. Think about this. Girls are entering puberty under 10 now. What this means is that they are developing much faster than before. I would say a girl today is about 4 years ahead in development than a girl 20 years ago at any age range. Couple that with the Internet and their development becomes really accelerated. There is an age compression that is occurring right now and it's accelerating. It is our mindset, beliefs, and laws that are way behind the curve.

The one recurring thing I keep hearing from young girls is how stupid and immature guys their age is. Plus a lot of young guys today are fat and out of shape. If you just keep in shape and look half decent you have a big advantage. Although, in America, age still remains a much bigger issue than in other countries.

Post: #16

How do you poison them against their friends? I have a similar situation. Teenage girl is always texting me these ideas for things we could do for a meetup. Then when the date comes around always flakes at the last minute. I suspect her friends are doing massive cockblocking out of jealousy/reduce competition. I've never met her friends but she talks about them often.

Post: #17

You must understand, girls like to text and pretend about doing stuff. It's like a fantasy game for them. They like the attention you are giving to them. It doesn't mean they really intend to do anything or that it has anything to do with their friends.

Post: #18

Thank you Nomad. I think you make a lot of sense. Still. I know other teen girls that definitely have friends attempting a cockblock (but in other cases there are friends that actually encourage them to get with me! ) So in situations where lets say her friends are trying to cockblock, how do you "poison them".

PS: Are you the "Naughty Nomad" from that blog or is that somebody else?

Post: #19

(10-16-2013 07:15 PM)James 2013 Wrote:  How do you poison them against their friends? I have a similar situation. Teenage girl is always texting me these ideas for things we could do for a meetup. Then when the date comes around always flakes at the last minute. I suspect her friends are doing massive cockblocking out of jealousy/reduce competition. I've never met her friends but she talks about them often.

I think along the lines of

"When people are jealous, they think they are "helping" you by keeping you with them. They don't realize they're just jealous you've got other things going on"

"Your friends like you, but they want to keep you with THEM, not having fun on your own."

Post: #20

Right. so then what can you do about these jealous friends if you are the outsider?