Post: #26

milk thistle and artichoke, helps keeping the liver healthy. i can personally testify that they improved my liver stats. go cold turkey on the alcohol, why do you drink so much?

Post: #27

curezone.com > forum > liver flush. Good place to start, but I don't see liver flushes as a cure-all, nor would I recommend doing a ton of them at one time. But a lot of good ideas on this forum.

The Paleo diet helped me the most (along with not drinking alcohol).

Go to bed at a decent hour helps too.

Post: #28

(10-14-2013 12:55 PM)kavakid Wrote:  curezone.com > forum > liver flush. Good place to start, but I don't see liver flushes as a cure-all, nor would I recommend doing a ton of them at one time. But a lot of good ideas on this forum.

The Paleo diet helped me the most (along with not drinking alcohol).

Go to bed at a decent hour helps too.

Paleo diet and no drinking.

Sounds like a boring life.

No offense to you, I admire your discipline. I just don't know how you guys do it.

I like eat out at restaurants and drink at bars. I could never do this health-craze thing. I guess my BMI and liver will continue to take the toll.

Post: #29

Other than worrying about the amount of alcohol in a night you should worry on how fast you drink it, a small glass of vodka if you drink slowly won't cause any damage that won't heal by itself, but if you drink it all at once you are probably causing a non reversible damage. Also, even if you drink slowly, give it at least a week to heal after a drunk weekend.

Post: #30

The liver is one of the most regenerative organs in the body. However, it can get damaged to the point where it can't fully heal.

I have a weakened liver. I certainly don't intend to take any risks by drinking much. Plus, I get a bad reaction from alcohol which is my bodies way of warning me.

I think sustained heavy drinking on a weekly or nightly basis leads to liver damage over many years. Some people will take many many years to have damage. It depends on genetics. I am not an expert, but I don't think that its true that drinking a shitload one night causes irreversible liver damage. The liver is extremely hardy, unless you are talking heavy poisons like chugging drain-o. I damaged my liver partially due to being on a raw vegan diet. Too many nuts, avocados, and not enough good protein was the cause of my problems.

Post: #31

(10-14-2013 06:35 PM)kavakid Wrote:  I am not an expert, but I don't think that its true that drinking a shitload one night causes irreversible liver damage.

It does if you don't drink safely, cirrosis is the cumulative of those damages. Try driking close to a whole bottle of vodka all at once, the damage will be so big that you gonna die. There is no other chance.

Post: #32

If you are not used to it, then a whole bottle at one time would kill you, yes. I had an old friend who would sometimes drink a liter a day of vodka, maybe more even. He did die. But he drunk that for years. It depends on genetics and, yes, I agree it is cumulative. The liver can repair itself very well from short term damage. The problem with chirrosis is that there is scarring. Its like a scar on your skin. Normally the skin would repair like new. But a scar prevents that.

Post: #33

Aren't Liver Detoxs a load of bullshit?

Post: #34

I'm not terribly worried about liver damage.

Not sure if I wrote in this thread yet, but you can drastically cut down (or eliminate altogether) any and all detractors of alcohol by just having 3 to 4 consecutive days of no drinking per week, no more than 2 consecutive days of drinking per week (so stay sober Monday through Friday - get hammered Friday and have a few drinks Saturday night, sober up Sunday) and then simply exercise a little harder during the week.

Post: #35

(10-15-2013 11:04 AM)Idlenations Wrote:  Aren't Liver Detoxs a load of bullshit?

You can detox, or at least stimulate, your liver. Eastern medicine has been doing it for years. Curry powder contains cumin which is known to positively affect the liver, in moderation.

My attitude it eat a good diet, don't overdrink, and get plenty of sleep. And be happy. Single most important thing to health.

Post: #36

I was found to have an abnormal liver function years ago when i was drinking and partying hard, during a routine blood test.

its the only time my doc has ever called me regarding blood test results.

The good news is a liver can regenerate itself, its the only organ that does this kind of repair if you change your ways in time, so that is what I did. The short of the long was I had to cut the hard boozing, popping pills and snorting everything under the sun. While I was at it I started to eat much better as well and actually sleep on weekends which was long over due.

After about 4-5 months I had another blood test and my liver function was back to normal. It gave me a real fright at the time and was a long over due wake up call after 10-15 years of hard partying.

Note: if you wake up in the mornings after nights out with lower back pain, its a danger sign