Post: #1

I assume many of you know the career of choice of the beloved george costanza from seinfeld,, if you don't you must have been on the moon... An architect.... I am curious to know if any of you on here have lied to get some poom poom.....

I find lying when trying to demonstrate higher value DHV... in certain circumstances really helps out the situation.... Now, those few times I did lie were only for shyts and giggles and didn't pursue anything from it but me and my friends got a crack out of it...

I did one experiment (yes online dating sucks!!!) I put up my profile and tweaked it to say physician etc etc and my success rate instantaneously increased with women (cute ones) messaging me first.... I know women want to deep down be taken care of if you look at the evolution of the species.... so this didn't surprise me...

Case 2: strip joints.... these girls are uber pretentious,,, I don't like to say i'm a doctor unless they ask me first what I do... I do my spiel,, and then reply what are you qualified in? (odds are nothing) you should see the look on their eyes when they say they have this and that going etc... fack all !! lol... So DHV right there...

I don't care about lying to the strippers,, its the normal gals that I am nervous about in lying to... Yes, for a SNL no problem (haven't gone this path yet) but with a girl you want to see more and more hmmmmm the truth will come out... who knows what will happen.

I'm a teacher by trade,,, yes you can get chicks to admire your trade and career in a non - pretentious place, but in the bars/clubs and rippers... anything just to get the lay without hindering your wallet and pride takes the cake. Gonna try this out and see where it goes...

Post: #2

Saying you are a doctor sounds good. You can jazz it up with some BS about how you did "Doctors without Borders" and give her some travel stories and other good stuff!

In another thread started by UrbanNerd, I linked to a Roissy article titled "Feigning Beta Provider", which I found at the top of page 1 of a Google search for "feigning beta provider" (Imagine that!) I think it would apply to this situation you are describing. Check it out.

Post: #3

My whole thing with the lying is that they are going to want that DHV money which is why they would be interested in the first place and I ain't even trying to feed these lizards.

One woman I was talking to said to me the other day on the phone "Ooh you are making all these money, why don't you give me some?"

My response to her was:

"Why don't you come and break me off something and I'll see what I can do?"

She had no response to that.

Post: #4

Lying is totally unnecessary if you've got even some game.

You just can't talk in your normal boring way as if you were in kindergarten and had to explain what mommy and daddy did for a living.

Never answer a girls questions directly, instead think of what you do, then put a romantic/dramatic/adventurous spin on it. When they press for the real answer, challenge them to explain why is it so important. Give the hamster a good kick and send it running.

You're going to give her a story she REALLY wants to hear. She's not actually interested in what you do, per se. More interested if it sounds exciting.

Post: #5

(04-27-2011 08:39 AM)Invictus Wrote:  Lying is totally unnecessary if you've got even some game.

You just can't talk in your normal boring way as if you were in kindergarten and had to explain what mommy and daddy did for a living.

Never answer a girls questions directly, instead think of what you do, then put a romantic/dramatic/adventurous spin on it. When they press for the real answer, challenge them to explain why is it so important. Give the hamster a good kick and send it running.

You're going to give her a story she REALLY wants to hear. She's not actually interested in what you do, per se. More interested if it sounds exciting.

Giving her a story is lying. Let's stop trying to dress things up. Lie to her. She lies to you. Keep your morals and then keep your blue balls.

If you bend the truth, if you avoid the topic, if you tell a white lie if you practise omission, morally it's a lie. Get the puzzy. Work out the details afterwards.

I never tell women my background until after I sleep with them. I find that it directly affects how far I get with them. Am I going to stick to my morals that keep my balls blue? Fcuk no. Tell 'em whatever the fcuk they need to hear to drop those panties.

Are you going to bring a pen to a swordfight or a sword? Bring a sword. End of.

Post: #6

(04-27-2011 08:17 AM)Moma Wrote:  My whole thing with the lying is that they are going to want that DHV money which is why they would be interested in the first place and I ain't even trying to feed these lizards.

One woman I was talking to said to me the other day on the phone "Ooh you are making all these money, why don't you give me some?"

My response to her was:

"Why don't you come and break me off something and I'll see what I can do?"

She had no response to that.

It always amazes me how women can be very bold in expressing what she wants, yet, stays speechless when she gets an even bolder response.

I've had girls tell me flat-out within seconds of approaching "Buy me a drink" or "you need to be taking me on these exotic trips with you so I can see the world"

To which I respond "You need to be making it worth my while to do so" - and they just look at me eyes wide open in complete schock.

Women are programmed that they can say bold shit like this, and betas will lower their heads in agreement hoping it leads to sex - when it won't.

Mixx

Post: #7

you should sound and act a bit mysterious

don't lie about your career! i mean if you got the game and are a cool person to be with , you don't need it

american women are terrible with their gold diggers attitudes. there wasn't almost a single american woman who didn't ask me how much do i make a year. also they all got silly demands. they are not independent at all. emotionally and financially they are super-dependent. i had latin, asian, russian and east european women with money of their own and none asked me a dime

Post: #8

If you're lying about what you do to get women, that means you are trying to impress them, which means you will not get them.

Post: #9

(04-27-2011 10:06 AM)maestrobaires Wrote:  american women are terrible with their gold diggers attitudes. there wasn't almost a single american woman who didn't ask me how much do i make a year.

I'm not an advocate of American women, but this is clearly exaggerated.

I've lived in both the U.S. and Canada and have met hundreds of girls. Less than 2% have ever specifically asked me how much money I make. If they are asking you that, I think there is something about you that is eliciting that question.

In all of my travels, universally girls from every background have asked me what I do for a living. It's a natural question. What you do may not define you, but people want to know how you spend your time.

i had latin, asian, russian and east european women with money of their own and none asked me a dime

All of these ethnic women have a reputation for gravitating towards money (and I am stating this very very mildly) mainly because they do not have money. Those who have money are not really representative of their group.

Post: #10

If I lie about what I do it is an obvious lie/joke that I will dismiss later. Half-truths work, women don't need to know EXACTLY what you do.

Post: #11

This goes back to inner game. Put yourself into an interesting, successful career and there won't be a need to lie in the first place.

Post: #12

(04-27-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If you're lying about what you do to get women, that means you are trying to impress them, which means you will not get them.

What if you are not impressive? What if you are a janitor who lives in his grandma's basement and rides a bicycle to work?

How many women do you think that will impress? The whole point of game is impressing a woman. Lying, obscuring the truth, presenting a certain image, omitting details are all forms of lies.

If you ask a woman back to your place and she says "Are we going there to fcuk, do you say 'yes' or do you say 'Let's just hang out and let things play out?"

Isn't that lying?

Post: #13

Quote:The whole point of game is impressing a woman.

Wrong. Are you new to the game? What resources have you studied? You have a "provider" belief system it appears.

Start reading...

http://www.rooshv.com/getting-laid-while...s-basement
http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-tell-a-girl-what-you-do
http://www.rooshv.com/contrary-game
http://www.rooshv.com/rich-guys-who-still-dont-get-laid

Post: #14

(04-27-2011 01:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:The whole point of game is impressing a woman.

Wrong. Are you new to the game? What resources have you studied? You have a "provider" belief system it appears.

Start reading...

http://www.rooshv.com/getting-laid-while...s-basement
http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-tell-a-girl-what-you-do
http://www.rooshv.com/contrary-game
http://www.rooshv.com/rich-guys-who-still-dont-get-laid

I think we are getting the terminology confused.

A woman will not have sex with a man she is not impressed with. A woman may impressed by your confidence, your sex appeal, your allure, your mystery.

Women only have sex with guys they are not impressed with for:

1) Money
2) Out of force
3) Out of pity

Leveraging the three forementioned are not aspects of game.

Think about what the word 'impressed' actually means. Impress is the verb of making an impression on someone. If you establish kino, you are in the process of making an impression on a woman.
If you lock lips with her, you are making an impression on her.

Post: #15

I've been dating a girl for about 3 months and she still doesn't know what I do. It's like she wants to know and doesn't want to know at the same time.

I'm still working on a good answer for "what do you do?". Recently I've been just cracking up like it's a preposterous question and changing the topic. They rarely ask again.

I like the "I'm unemployed" bit, especially because since nobody "employs" me I could say it's technically true.

Post: #16

Sorry Moma I don't agree with even your basic assumptions. Arguing about Webster's definition of impress is not going to help any guy get laid.

At this point you're hijacking the thread with rhetorical questions and theoretical/philosophical discussion which is not helping the OP. In other words, you're bullshitting. Unless you have practical, on-the-street experience relevant to this thread, lurk instead. Thanks a lot.

Post: #17

"What if you are not impressive? What if you are a janitor who lives in his grandma's basement and rides a bicycle to work?"

Get impressive hobbies. That gives you something to talk about that can just as easily build DHV as a beta provider job can (unless you are dealing with golddigger chicks, who are easy enough to avoid).

Besides, there is a huge reason that a janitor can't pretend to be a doctor: the chick, unless she is brain dead, will realize that you aren't a doctor as soon as see sees your ride and house/apartment.

Post: #18

(04-27-2011 02:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  Women only have sex with guys they are not impressed with for:

1) Money
2) Out of force
3) Out of pity

Leveraging the three forementioned are not aspects of game.

Think about what the word 'impressed' actually means. Impress is the verb of making an impression on someone. If you establish kino, you are in the process of making an impression on a woman.
If you lock lips with her, you are making an impression on her.

What are you talking about? Women don't need to be impressed, they need to be ATTRACTED to you. Physical/mental attraction is key, that's not impression. Things like money and status can help but (as roosh's rich guy post proves) they don't necessarily get you laid.

How many pool boys do you know impressed a house wife with their amazing career?

Post: #19

(04-27-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If you're lying about what you do to get women, that means you are trying to impress them, which means you will not get them.

Roosh point well taken, it is true,, one can get poom poom by living in your dads basement ... true,, however, if you had your own pad its fair to say with all things being equal you would score much more...

There is a free online dating site,, http://www.plentyoffish.com I have come to the conclusion that with all things being equal, same pictures and profile description by tweaking what you do for a profession your results exponentially increase. I have tried it myself and I encourage others to try it as well... (lying to dhv of course)... I would never have women messaging me first, its always me messaging them first with horrible response rates... I am sure many of you can agree with my sentiment... Once I put doctor/physician voila....

I think we all need to impress girls in some way... or shall I say intrigue their minds... I tried being simple not trying to impress them just normal chit chat when I would message them online and horrible results.. once I lied about my career, used the same chit chat messages voila... In the real world,,, I have been myself, but contemplate of lying more to get som poom poom.... "PLAYERS" imho are notirious liars,,, well many women are as well... So, as I like to say,, fake it till you make it...

Post: #20

(04-27-2011 05:13 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

(04-27-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If you're lying about what you do to get women, that means you are trying to impress them, which means you will not get them.

Roosh, put up a file under a free dating site,, plentyoffish.com... Say you are a physician currently specializing in ABC medicine etc... pick your poison... You will see that women will message you FIRST,, online its usually the men doing all the messaging. Trust me. When you message others you will see the return in responses is much more greater.. try it... I took down my physician profile, but I was surprised oh how much nicer the women are and are drawn towards me. Albeit misleading,,, there is some truth to it.

Men are always trying to impress the female.... unless they are some rock star or athlete and even then, those guys need to do stuff to impress the woman...

This is pre-selection, and online dating is way different from approaching in public. Women think they know what they want, but they don't. Hell, I've gone with unemployed on my profile before.

Post: #21

This is pre-selection, and online dating is way different from approaching in public. Women think they know what they want, but they don't. Hell, I've gone with unemployed on my profile before.
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gmac I agree with you 100% ... however, lying to strippers etc... I have and usually do does work... they usually stick around longer and somehow don't haggle you for dances.... In a bar or club,,, I have done it once, and you can see the body language on the girls changing.... they start facing you directly and showing interest... Albeit,, was for fun, I think next time I will pursue it and try to close the deal... SNL of course..

Post: #22

Lying and saying your career is higher-status than it really is exactly the wrong thing to do. The reason why giving bullshit answers like lion tamer to the "what do you do?" question works is because it signals that you don't give a fuck and aren't trying to impress anyone.

I have a relatively high status career track for someone my age (medical student) and often the point when a girl finds that out is after she comes home with me and sees my white coat and stethoscope hanging on a chair in the living room. Every time I've consciously tried to leverage it to my advantage during a pickup it's backfired.

Post: #23

(04-27-2011 11:52 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  I'm not an advocate of American women, but this is clearly exaggerated.

I've lived in both the U.S. and Canada and have met hundreds of girls. Less than 2% have ever specifically asked me how much money I make. If they are asking you that, I think there is something about you that is eliciting that question.

I'll second that. American chicks are much less materialistic comparing to EE or Russian chicks. It is also interesting that while it is acceptable in Russia to ask how much you make, the question about how you make money is considered a strong taboo unless it is obvious already.

Post: #24

(04-27-2011 06:28 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-27-2011 11:52 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  I'm not an advocate of American women, but this is clearly exaggerated.

I've lived in both the U.S. and Canada and have met hundreds of girls. Less than 2% have ever specifically asked me how much money I make. If they are asking you that, I think there is something about you that is eliciting that question.

I'll second that. American chicks are much less materialistic comparing to EE or Russian chicks. It is also interesting that while it is acceptable in Russia to ask how much you make, the question about how you make money is considered a strong taboo unless it is obvious already.

"Less than 2% have ever specifically asked me how much money I make."

I can't think of a single girl that has ever asked me that question.

Pretty damn tacky question if you ask me.

Post: #25

Women fuck men they respect and admire. She won't respect or admire you if you show her everything interesting about you up front. Be mysterious.