Post: #26

Woman are emotional creatures. Their feelings change overnite or in a heartbeat and it may have nothing to do with you. Her ex-bf she still loves who dumped her 3 months ago may have called. She may be out of town visiting a sick family member and when she gets back she's not feeling like going out or a relationship. You may have made out all nite on the couch, half-naked, she tells you she is really falling for you but won't sleep with you tonite - ASD, rag, roommate, whatever, and then you don't hear from her for a week. Who the hell knows what goes on in their pretty little heads?

It just doesn't matter. Find the next one.

To OP, it seems obvious there was no desire on her end for you. She wanted to feel attractive and validated. If she came over to your house and pushed you down, tried to suck the bumps off your tongue, and moaned as you kissed, then you may have had something - even if you didn't bang her. See the difference?

Post: #27

I don't know if I catch feelings anymore after catching "red pill." But what does it fucking matter when you're home from work on a freakin' Tuesday night writing or working your second passive income online without any effort and you're texting five girls or so saying stupid assed things like "missing beach right now" and two or three of them hit you back with sexual undertones you've already set with them? You know it's all numbers and nothing means shit, so why get overworked if she doesn't respond? You know she's a less-than-lukewarm lead you've already probed enough for a second meeting... you did your part. Who gives a fuck!? Keep working leads. You know she is if she's at the higher end of your crop. You can't get mad for her wanting to go to the top like you do. Forget the whole "oh, she's a hypergamous whorecunt and she'll find the best she can fuck on a dime." Come on. We do the same damn thing. When you stop caring you seem to reel in more hoes. Just keep plowing and hopefully, some stupid cunt will come through. LoL. (being optimistic)

You can text and get responses for days, and meet up with them one night for a night of slamjam or a night of cuddle bitch to make her get back to being comfortable with you. You can think she's back to being on point with you and liking your steez after that night, and then she goes ghost on you for no fucking reason. Ignores texts, ignores calls... weeks can go by and then you can hit her up with some stupid assed text when you're drunk as fuck and you're in like flynn. Then you're back to cold shoulder again. Just keep plowing and spinning plates because at this time and in this day and age, we always fucking win in the end. We spend no money or no effort and you keep going. There's no way you can look back to "catching feelings" after you've been burnt the first time and there's most certainly no way you can go back to blue pill after you've been submerging yourself in this forum and manosphere blogs for the past few years.

Forget it. As a famed member of the board has said many times, enjoy the decline. Keep spinning plates and forget the past. Enjoy the fruits of your labor and fuck bitches. They don't want to be treated well, and they certainly aren't trying to treat you well, so keep it fucking moving.

Post: #28

I think we have all been there.

Hot girls tend to inspire "feelings" even in the most experienced players.

It's funny when a friend says to me "yeah man this girl is girlfriend material" and he hasn't even banged her yet! I guess us men are wired this way.

As for the drama, as Heartiste would say OPTIONS = INSTABILITY! Always remember this.

Next time you game a truly hot girl remind yourself in advance to expect all of this bad behaviour. Game her like any other girl and don't overthink things. If you get her out, keep EXACTLY the same date plan you use for the 6's and 7's. If you don't usually pay for dates, keep to this. Don't change anything. And always go for the bang no matter what.

(09-09-2013 11:21 PM)Skotch Wrote:  Also, I'd like to point out that Japanese women at the higher end of the scale share almost all of the bad qualities of American women. They're manipulative, entitled, self-obsessed, flaky, you name it.

I would go one step further and say that ALL women at the higher end of the scale tend to be flaky, play games and are sometimes outright crazy. The hottest girls I have dated all fitted this profile without exception. Options = Instability!

Post: #29

I enjoyed reading two long posts on the previous page OP's and Nasci's

Matt says it well when he says you are human

It's good to read these stories, just reminds me of what I don't need to be thinking.

Post: #30

All attractive women go through a "Goddess" stage where they want to be adored by all the men. The hotter the chick the more of a complex they have. Some never grow out of it.

As it's been said many times, Bar-Sluts don't make for good LTR's. A Bar slut is any girl you meet in a bar.

Post: #31

So what about developing a strong, reciprocated, borderline oneitis type of a connection to a girl AFTER having sex with her, and especially after she spends the night over. I'm not sure what to make of this phenomenom. I've had this happen with a FB where I started to feel much more strongly about her like 6 months after banging her for the first time.

Post: #32

Some women have powerful mystic/voodoo powers to put you into a spell and be her provider. And they are freaking good at this.

Often it is not your feelings that you are having, but it is feelings that she is making you have! Some girls can just hack you and make you believe what she is doing is what you are doing to yourself.

This confuses the fuck out of a lot of guys because they do not think this is possible. I've had enough reference experiences to realise : women are masters of the inner realm, they are tricksters, they are better at this sort of manipulation than we are. They play dirty tricks and are as violent to the male psyche as they can be nurturing.

The good news is that men are masters of the outer realm and what women do is largely not conscious or integrated.

Being truly alpha is *beating her at her own game*, bringing these things to consciousness and awareness and the outer world. You win by exposing her and that you know the score. Some of you might have met or heard of guys who say they can sleep with any woman when they take acid. This is why, the access to psychic inner world acid gives you is an *outspelling* tactic, I've experienced this myself, you *hack* her and you win (get sex and all the good stuff it implies) - rather than the other way around. (become her slave)

Post: #33

It's a lot easier to avoid oneitis if you have a strong frame. I am above her, and she is below me. Internalize that, and you'll never have a problem again [even if you fall in love someday.]

Every girl I date thinks I am: smarter, more successful, more well-dressed, wiser, more athletic, more experienced, better at sex, funnier -- even if that's not actually true. Frame is everything.

Post: #34

As the other user said, I don't understand why you would see a girl that you met in a bar as wife material, specially when you met her different nights in a bar and then she said she is ''shy'', ''weird''..she sounds like a hoe to me, I could be wrong.

Saying this, i completely understood your post. I never thought i would catch serious feelings for a chick as an adult, all my friends that would try to tell me that they were in love and they were looking to settle down with a chick, i just used to tell them ''get the fuck outta here, you acting real beta''..till.....i met this chick 3 weeks ago, the most interesting women i have ever met. Phat booty, super pretty face, feminine, super dressed all the time, we have great conversations all the time..she is a straight 10 in my book...actually everybody that sees me with her, tells me..''yo that chick is hottt'' She even gets eye fucked by many other women..but to me its more than her looks, she is just great. I straight told her, (beta i know) '' if i dont settle down with you, I am not settling down with any women''..i wasn't even thinking to settle down but this is one girl that I really see myself settling down with.

I don't know how long this is going to last, I dont like to have feeelings for a chick but I am feeling her..if we finish tomorrow, i will just move on, but i will be very surprised if i catch feelings like that again in the future.

Post: #35

seems like me. I just could not let this girl go. She was ghetto but had nice tits. I would always come see her and try to band her in my car but I could only finger her and she would barely kiss me. I kept trying for a few days and finally gave up. Oddly enough a couple months later the game gods answered my prayer with a girl I met on POF who looked just like the other girl. It was weird but this girl didn't hesitate whatsoever. She already had a movie on and we were in her bed. She wore a nightgown with only panties under. basically started playing a bit then running my hand up her thigh. The makeout then the lay.


Moral: THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE NO NEED TO GET CAUGHT UP

Post: #36

(09-11-2013 07:43 PM)pitt Wrote:  I don't know how long this is going to last, I dont like to have feeelings for a chick but I am feeling her..if we finish tomorrow, i will just move on, but i will be very surprised if i catch feelings like that again in the future.

That's just the mind, another form of oneitis. If you can make two years work, and if you want to, get married and all that. Having feelings for a girl is one thing, how cool and great you think she is another, how you and her deal with a relationship and all it entails over a longer period of time is the part you probably do not see.

Nature has all kind of mechanisms to get you to "settle down" and breed. And they are all super convincing. The "feelings" themselves come and then go, when the human reality kicks in.

How many people have you known who have made monogamy really work?

Post: #37

(09-12-2013 01:22 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:43 PM)pitt Wrote:  I don't know how long this is going to last, I dont like to have feeelings for a chick but I am feeling her..if we finish tomorrow, i will just move on, but i will be very surprised if i catch feelings like that again in the future.

That's just the mind, another form of oneitis. If you can make two years work, and if you want to, get married and all that. Having feelings for a girl is one thing, how cool and great you think she is another, how you and her deal with a relationship and all it entails over a longer period of time is the part you probably do not see.

Nature has all kind of mechanisms to get you to "settle down" and breed. And they are all super convincing. The "feelings" themselves come and then go, when the human reality kicks in.

How many people have you known who have made monogamy really work?

Settling down and being monogamous are two different things.If i was to settle down right now I do not think that i could be monogamous.

But i get your point, time really shows if this will work out or not but I am almost sure that if i don't stay with this chick, i will never settle down.

Post: #38

Serial monogamy is a lot easier than 'settling down.' I'm never going to 'settle down.'

If a hot enough, sexy, sweet, feminine, well-dressed, submissive 21-yr, who cooks me dinner wants an exclusive for a little while, I'll give her a shot and see if she can keep me interested. If she can rock my world for 2-3 months [whatever] then great. If not, next her as soon as she's boring for more than 1 day.

I told this girl I met from Wilmington who wanted to see me to drive over, naked, and cook me dinner. She did [in heels obvs], and she did, and she cooked breakfast also.
Girls want dominant guys. Full stop.

Post: #39

(09-12-2013 05:34 PM)horn Wrote:  Serial monogamy is a lot easier than 'settling down.' I'm never going to 'settle down.'

If a hot enough, sexy, sweet, feminine, well-dressed, submissive 21-yr, who cooks me dinner wants an exclusive for a little while, I'll give her a shot and see if she can keep me interested. If she can rock my world for 2-3 months [whatever] then great. If not, next her as soon as she's boring for more than 1 day.

Yeah but then you are getting no ass if she walks. Always have at least two on the go.

Post: #40

(09-12-2013 05:34 PM)horn Wrote:  Serial monogamy is a lot easier than 'settling down.' I'm never going to 'settle down.'

If a hot enough, sexy, sweet, feminine, well-dressed, submissive 21-yr, who cooks me dinner wants an exclusive for a little while, I'll give her a shot and see if she can keep me interested. If she can rock my world for 2-3 months [whatever] then great. If not, next her as soon as she's boring for more than 1 day.

Yeah but then you are getting no ass if she walks. Always have at least two on the go.

Post: #41

Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of Mankind is Man.
Plac'd on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest,
In doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast;
In doubt his Mind or Body to prefer,
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
Chaos of Thought and Passion, all confus'd;
Still by himself abus'd, or disabus'd;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of Truth, in endless Error hurl'd:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!

-Alexander Pope, An Essay On Man

I live my life based on one core belief: that humans are simply animals. That we are nothing more than really, really smart apes. And like all animals, thanks to evolution via natural selection we come equipped with certain adaptations that have allowed us to become the dominant species on this planet.

You and I are only here because our ancestors were good at two things: surviving, and reproducing. And while this might seem simple enough given our current faculties (consciousness, language, long-term memory, the ability to imagine the consequences of our actions without actually performing the actions themselves, and so on), there was once a time when our species (or the species that led to our species, etc.) lacked these capabilities. So, how did we manage to survive?

Emotions. Instincts. Unthinking reaction to environmental stimuli.

It can be scary to consider how little control you actually have over your body. Your breathing, your digestion, your heart beating in your chest. When you touch your hand to a hot stove, or have a baseball thrown at your head, or see a beautiful woman naked, you don't control your reaction-your body simply acts, completely of its own accord.

Many times, this is a good thing. It would be impossible to consciously control all the decisions your body makes every second; many times, it does a better job than your conscious mind would ever be able to do. And hundreds of thousands of years ago, it was perfectly suited to react to a harsh environment, filled with threats and only the slimmest of possibilities for survival and reproduction.

But we don't live in that environment anymore, and now our senses betray us.

Our inclination towards sugar, which in the past may have helped us to store precious calories to be used in times of scarcity, now burdens us to the point of sickness and death.

Our masculine desires for beauty and variety addict us to porn, which raises our tolerance to the point of impotency when confronted with a real woman.

Our natural xenophobia and tendencies towards in-group loyalty cause racial strife and ethnic wars.

When the OP talks about "catching feelings," what he's really referring to is a system: a system designed to find a suitable mate, bond her to you, impregnate her, and ensure paternity so your genes can pass over to the next generation. The way this system operates is through feelings, feelings which in the past would have been perfectly suited to the body's goals but which now conspire against his conscious mind.

A man's success in this world depends almost entirely upon his ability to regulate his animal nature. Self-control, rational thought, delayed gratification-these are overwhelmingly recent biological inventions, dwarfed by the vast power of instinct and emotion.

My greatest advances in Game have come from training myself to detect these emotions, and not necessarily to hide from them, but to welcome them. To accept them as part of me, feel them pass over me and through me, and to enjoy the fullness of being that comes from experiencing them.

And at the same time, to see them for what they truly are: insidious biological programming attempting to direct me towards a genetic goal that may or may not align with my conscious, rational aims. To wear them as one might wear a jacket, to provide warmth and protection in times of need, and to be discarded when they become tight and constraining. To feel each emotion regardless of the desire to feel, but to only utilize those of my choosing to help me on my Journey.

The feelings will always be there. They are a part of you. They cannot be denied, but they can be controlled. Learn to distance yourself from them, view them not as the ship upon which your life sails but as the storms through which your life must pass. Memorize the conditions that lead to their creation, minimize the destruction they leave in their wake, study them as one would any other natural phenomena. Embrace the tailwinds that speed your crossing and distance yourself from the headwinds that would hinder you. This will be a lifelong endeavor.

To quote the inimitable Roissy: "When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her."

Post: #42

OH YEAH...it's the real pretty ones that can do this to you. And as you observed, they have options. Plenty of guys coming at them, and these bitches have straight-up ADD. They can't focus on any one dude for too long without another coming at them and distracting them. This one in particular was simply playing guys until "the one" rose above all the others. Maybe. She was an obvious liar - she claimed not to go out much, but you caught her out with another dude, who she ditched in favor of you. Let you get JUST ENOUGH affection to think you'd get further somewhere down the line. Don't worry - somewhere down the line, no matter how hot a chick is, a dude will play her the same way. I learned that the moment a chick doesn't respond to attempts at communicating, they get nexted. I only re-engage if they initiate at that point, and they need to step up quickly, or they get nexted forever.

Post: #43

(09-10-2013 10:24 PM)slothpiece Wrote:  I don't know if I catch feelings anymore after catching "red pill." But what does it fucking matter when you're home from work on a freakin' Tuesday night writing or working your second passive income online without any effort and you're texting five girls or so saying stupid assed things like "missing beach right now" and two or three of them hit you back with sexual undertones you've already set with them? You know it's all numbers and nothing means shit, so why get overworked if she doesn't respond?

They don't want to be treated well, and they certainly aren't trying to treat you well, so keep it fucking moving.

Not everyone will agree with me on this, but totally killing your emotions when it comes to women is probably the most red-pill thing you can do. They certainly don't give a fuck about men on the same level that a lot of guys do when they get attracted to a very pretty girl who talks to them and acts pleasant for the moment, but she really couldn't give a flying fuck about the guy in the big picture. I've seen way too many attractive girls be "fake nice" to guys to ever buy into this shit again. If she isn't willing to fuck shortly after meeting you, don't waste your time. There's at least one other guy she's fucking and not putting through any bullshit. Do you want to be the pussy begging her and getting nothing in return? Life's too short to waste on these bitches if they're not gonna fuck you and use you while they fuck someone else.

Post: #44

Interestingly I haven't seen the girl that inspired this thread once since the last time I saw her and drove her home that night. Chances are she probably ended up dating some dude and dropping out of the bar scene completely, which tends to happen a lot around here. The end of August and early September are "hunting season" in college towns, plenty of new girls in town and they are out partying the first few weeks of the semester because school is still easy and not a lot of work is assigned. Then after about the first 4 weeks these girls have already met a grip of dudes, and can act like "choosey Suzy's" and sit back and weigh their options of which guy(s) they want to shack up with.

I can't say I give two fucks about that chick, but I had total deja vu re-reading this thread, I "caught feelings" and repeated this cycle about two weeks ago with a very similar girl in terms of stats (same age, and level of looks on 1/10 scale, etc.) It's one of those things that I guess I will have to live and experience multiple times before it finally sets in and I can finally learn my lesson.

I will say it is very frustrating when you meet a girl you are genuinely into, she seems really into you, everything seems to click and you have no reason to think things won't work out, only to find out that she either was lying and misrepresenting herself, or that despite how she was acting she in fact wasn't that into you after all.

Post: #45

(11-22-2013 12:22 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I will say it is very frustrating when you meet a girl you are genuinely into, she seems really into you, everything seems to click and you have no reason to think things won't work out, only to find out that she either was lying and misrepresenting herself, or that despite how she was acting she in fact wasn't that into you after all.

You answered your own question. Do you honestly think an Americunt (not counting your mother, that's a different post) will ever give a flying fuck about you? For example, the females I work with who are all in marriages or serious relationships are pretty much at the stage of openly admitting: "yeah he's just kinda there and we fuck once in awhile and I get some clothes out of him..." You can imagine the rest.

Post: #46

(11-17-2013 12:58 AM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  I live my life based on one core belief: that humans are simply animals. That we are nothing more than really, really smart apes. And like all animals, thanks to evolution via natural selection we come equipped with certain adaptations that have allowed us to become the dominant species on this planet.

You and I are only here because our ancestors were good at two things: surviving, and reproducing. And while this might seem simple enough given our current faculties (consciousness, language, long-term memory, the ability to imagine the consequences of our actions without actually performing the actions themselves, and so on), there was once a time when our species (or the species that led to our species, etc.) lacked these capabilities. So, how did we manage to survive?

Emotions. Instincts. Unthinking reaction to environmental stimuli.

It can be scary to consider how little control you actually have over your body. Your breathing, your digestion, your heart beating in your chest. When you touch your hand to a hot stove, or have a baseball thrown at your head, or see a beautiful woman naked, you don't control your reaction-your body simply acts, completely of its own accord.

Many times, this is a good thing. It would be impossible to consciously control all the decisions your body makes every second; many times, it does a better job than your conscious mind would ever be able to do. And hundreds of thousands of years ago, it was perfectly suited to react to a harsh environment, filled with threats and only the slimmest of possibilities for survival and reproduction.

But we don't live in that environment anymore, and now our senses betray us.

Our inclination towards sugar, which in the past may have helped us to store precious calories to be used in times of scarcity, now burdens us to the point of sickness and death.

Our masculine desires for beauty and variety addict us to porn, which raises our tolerance to the point of impotency when confronted with a real woman.

Our natural xenophobia and tendencies towards in-group loyalty cause racial strife and ethnic wars.

When the OP talks about "catching feelings," what he's really referring to is a system: a system designed to find a suitable mate, bond her to you, impregnate her, and ensure paternity so your genes can pass over to the next generation. The way this system operates is through feelings, feelings which in the past would have been perfectly suited to the body's goals but which now conspire against his conscious mind.

A man's success in this world depends almost entirely upon his ability to regulate his animal nature. Self-control, rational thought, delayed gratification-these are overwhelmingly recent biological inventions, dwarfed by the vast power of instinct and emotion.

My greatest advances in Game have come from training myself to detect these emotions, and not necessarily to hide from them, but to welcome them. To accept them as part of me, feel them pass over me and through me, and to enjoy the fullness of being that comes from experiencing them.

And at the same time, to see them for what they truly are: insidious biological programming attempting to direct me towards a genetic goal that may or may not align with my conscious, rational aims. To wear them as one might wear a jacket, to provide warmth and protection in times of need, and to be discarded when they become tight and constraining. To feel each emotion regardless of the desire to feel, but to only utilize those of my choosing to help me on my Journey.

The feelings will always be there. They are a part of you. They cannot be denied, but they can be controlled. Learn to distance yourself from them, view them not as the ship upon which your life sails but as the storms through which your life must pass. Memorize the conditions that lead to their creation, minimize the destruction they leave in their wake, study them as one would any other natural phenomena. Embrace the tailwinds that speed your crossing and distance yourself from the headwinds that would hinder you. This will be a lifelong endeavor.

To quote the inimitable Roissy: "When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her."

Finally just read this, great reply, thanks for sharing that with me.

Post: #47

I personally have seen a lot of "older' players get caught up like this. For one, the flow and ease of pussy isn't what it once was when they had their youthful vigor and alpha powers. Instead of retooling and adjusting to the new scene, they get gaga at the first PYT that pays them some attention. Genuine or not. His ego is fed because in his mind he's "still got it". Whether he realizes it or not, he's bending over backwards and overcompensating for a young, incompatible chickenhead. I'm speaking from experience as it's happened to my stepdad after my mom passed away. He caught feelings. Period. It was shocking to see how he came under her spell and was taking care of her kids as well.

Some chicks are TRAINED(mostly by their mothers) in sensing this thirst and they are fully aware that their curves and charm are an attraction to him, not to mention he is ALREADY working at a social/age disadvantage. She holds the cards, the ONLY way to wrest that power away?

Is to "HIT IT"
That INSTANTLY changes the power dynamic.

Post: #48

Why is catching feelings a curse

Post: #49

(01-01-2014 08:33 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  Why is catching feelings a curse

It's not if the feelings are mutual, but when you get all "gaga" over a chick, and she doesn't feel the same about you, it shifts the power into her "court" and often times when dealing with American chicks, her knowing that you "over value" her is a turn off.

I find it's best to "play it cool" and not allow yourself to get too worked up about a chick too soon, not only is this important for success in game, but it just makes logical sense. Why give too much value to a girl you barely even know, when in reality she probably isn't even worth it.

Interestingly I started dating a chick the month of December and I withheld all urges to catch feelings, she ended up catching feelings first and kind of putting me on the pedestal. I found that her liking me that much, in turn made me like her more, not sure if that's normal or if other guys have experienced that?

It doesn't hurt that she's pretty hot, at least her body is off the hook (she's all about bikram yoga and eating healthy vegetarian, etc), and she's cool as hell. At first I just saw it as piece to smash, but admittedly I did end up catching some feelings. I was thinking of making a post about this, but when a girl really likes you that much, does it make you like her more?

I'm heading to the D.R. for 5 weeks and will be separated from her for 7 weeks so we'll see how things go, I'm not so naive to think that she won't meet another guy(s) during that time, or lose interest in me, but I hope she won't. She constantly calls me her King and gives me full cooperation, never once had to deal with a shit test or any other B.S. It was very refreshing after chasing girls who would flake or act disinterested and make me invest to do all the work.

Post: #50

Damn OG, you handled it well, don't beat yourself up over this. To live is to learn.

She sounds like a Category 5 tease though. I've had those before. A true girl-player. Think about it. She is using guys for: attention, admiration, entertainment, drinks, rides, company...
but won't give up the poon as she knows that it's the only valuable thing she's got. There might not even have been a guy that she's into.

Her behaviour really shows her Russian side hahaha

@Neo - funny story about the BJ at the bar. But undoubtedly true. A make out means nothing these days - especially if she was somewhat drunk. Numbers mean zero shit. Even a quick bang in the bathroom stall means nothing as well if she is a true bar star.
The only thing that matters is how you can make her feel when she is being dominated by you and how you can wrap her around your finger.