Post: #26

Pop-culture has made them more or less the same.

Post: #27

Interesting video about the issues in Pickup in Melbourne. He says that Melbourne is one of the hardest cities to practise pickup out of the 60 cities he has been to.

The word he uses is Cliquey, but I do believe that often (not always) refers to class barriers (a C word people do not use very often!)

Post: #28

As someone who lives in Australia for more than 13 years and approaches a lot, I can tell you right now that Australian girls are extremely arrogant and self entitled and have super high standards and very over reactive and emotional....and the effort you put in is just not worth is for these girls. There is a lot of feminism in Australia , especially Melbourne. They even had a female prime minister, that should be a sure indication.

If you ever come to Australia, go for the European tourists. Even the Swedish and Denmark tourist girls are more nicer , and Sweden has plenty of feminism, but these girls are atleast down for a make out even if they are not into you; they are great for warming up cause even when your stumbling they don't shit test you or give you crap like Aussie chicks. But stick to French and East European and Italians, they are hotter.

Australia is great if you are into Asians women because Melbourne, especially Melbourne central is loaded with Asian women, both Australianised Asians and non-Australianised asain.

Avoid the Indian women in Australia, they are just like white chicks, but Indian looking. unlike the Asians( Orientals) Indian women worship the aussie white women lifestyle and try to be like them.

Australian predominantly airs American media so I'm guessing the Aussie chicks turn out like America women.

Post: #29

on the difficulty level, i don't believe it's THAT hard once aussie girls leave their social circles for overseas... IMO any girl without her social circle automatically becomes easier to pick up x 10.

HOWEVER, this is what i have to report for tonight for those that come here to play the game on australian soil, best of luck:

1. danish guy says he "doesn't know if he can get laid in melbourne." good looking, normal, bangs one per month back home (decent for someone unaware of game). i ask why. he says, "both the guys and girls are much more aggressive here in melbourne, girls brush you off instantly, maybe that's why guys are more aggressive." he tells me the competition in denmark is low and any guy that approaches will get laid very frequently as he will be a huge outlier.

2. american guy says he struggles here. gets shut down instantly, doesn't know why girls don't give him at least a few seconds to say hello. says it's much easier back home in LA. girls will at least acknowledge you or give you a smile.

3. american girl says aussie guys would get laid on accent alone in the states. claims american girls prefer australian men.

4. alexander from RSD claims 250 lay count, which would be top 0.001% worldwide, claims he is the most well travelled instructor from company. can't get laid here. i've seen him in action myself, looks out of his league. makes a youtube video whinging about melbourne being the hardest place he's ever been to for pickup. looks don't matter but apparently being in melbourne does.

5. english girl says guys are better looking here, thinks the girls are the same as back home. said she feels lucky, better quality of men.

6. melbourne guys who are into pickup. travel to thailand, results improve x 10, travel to las vegas, results improve x 5. no exaggeration. quality and quanity goes up, same guy. overseas lays are not considered equivalent to domestic lays. anyone bragging about getting laid at a higher rate with hotter girls overseas is not taken seriously as it is seen as standard/much softer. never met any big league players coming to melbourne who find it easier to pick up here than where they're from.

7. guys here rate scandinavians and americans as easiest, followed by asians. latinas easy to create attraction with but more LMR, white girls hardest to attract but less LMR, wogs probably same as white girls, no/very few black girls.

8. guys here rate the average white girl lower in quality than the average asian/latina/euro/american girl. thus a hot white australian girl is considered top notch as there are comparatively fewer of them vs. other nationalities/ethnicities. aussie hot white girl will have a stronger social circle, more choice, higher value than almost every guy who is trying to pick her up via cold approach.

9. online game here basically doesn't exist the only girls who use it are fatties and trolls. melbourne guys who use dating apps/websites designed for overseas cities report much higher uptake from hot girls, more normal, perceived as less competitive, more culturally acceptable to meet a guy from internet than it is here, at least for girls who are 6+ in quality.

there's a strong perception that guys from melbourne who can already get laid from cold approach pickup will rack up huge numbers overseas. there is a similar perception that guys who come from overseas will do worse in melbourne than where they are from unless they are spanish/french/italian/(maybe black american too). everyone else is fucked.

Post: #30

I would agree with that, only for night game. Day game in Melbourne is not that bad.

Post: #31

Just be wary that Australian girls can be nasty cockblockers. I ran into that issue many times in Las Vegas.

Post: #32

Awesome post.

(07-29-2013 10:57 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  on the difficulty level, i don't believe it's THAT hard once aussie girls leave their social circles for overseas... IMO any girl without her social circle automatically becomes easier to pick up x 10.

yeah, there is a big factor for being perceived as a slut. A lone Aussie chick is real slutty. Anyone on the backpacker circuit can attest to that.

Quote:HOWEVER, this is what i have to report for tonight for those that come here to play the game on australian soil, best of luck:

1. danish guy says he "doesn't know if he can get laid in melbourne." good looking, normal, bangs one per month back home (decent for someone unaware of game). i ask why. he says, "both the guys and girls are much more aggressive here in melbourne, girls brush you off instantly, maybe that's why guys are more aggressive." he tells me the competition in denmark is low and any guy that approaches will get laid very frequently as he will be a huge outlier.

Has he been anywhere else. Australians are more aggressive than most places, but Melbourne is the least amongst Australia, it has nothing on Perth or North Qld.

Quote:2. american guy says he struggles here. gets shut down instantly, doesn't know why girls don't give him at least a few seconds to say hello. says it's much easier back home in LA. girls will at least acknowledge you or give you a smile.

That's melbourne hipsters, they are faux-intellectuals. he cops anti-American sentiment there. he's best off in Sydeny or the Gold Coast.

Quote:3. american girl says aussie guys would get laid on accent alone in the states. claims american girls prefer australian men.

I found it worked well, but is pretty much the same parable when I left Sydney/Australia for the first time.

Women are conditioned to hold their own men to standards that they would never apply to foreign men.

Quote:4. alexander from RSD claims 250 lay count, which would be top 0.001% worldwide, claims he is the most well travelled instructor from company. can't get laid here. i've seen him in action myself, looks out of his league. makes a youtube video whinging about melbourne being the hardest place he's ever been to for pickup. looks don't matter but apparently being in melbourne does.

RSD aren't known for being honest with their claims, 'nuff said.

Melbourne is the easiest place in Australia for opening women, for holding their interest in chatting/rambling and equal to Perth and Gold Caost for women who are looking for casual sex. The women of Melbourne aren't the best quality admittedly.

Quote:5. english girl says guys are better looking here, thinks the girls are the same as back home. said she feels lucky, better quality of men.

English slags are the mainstay of horny Aussie guys. She's not lying.

Quote:6. melbourne guys who are into pickup. travel to thailand, results improve x 10, travel to las vegas, results improve x 5. no exaggeration. quality and quanity goes up, same guy. overseas lays are not considered equivalent to domestic lays. anyone bragging about getting laid at a higher rate with hotter girls overseas is not taken seriously as it is seen as standard/much softer. never met any big league players coming to melbourne who find it easier to pick up here than where they're from.

As I said, local men are held to different standards, and i personaly found Sydney excrutiatingly hard compared to Melbourne, Gold Coast and Perth... but I was raised in Sydney.

I have never considered melbourne difficult, though it is easy to dismiss chicks there attempting to put on a intellectual facade.

Quote:7. guys here rate scandinavians and americans as easiest, followed by asians. latinas easy to create attraction with but more LMR, white girls hardest to attract but less LMR, wogs probably same as white girls, no/very few black girls.

They don't venture out of Dandenong?

Quote:8. guys here rate the average white girl lower in quality than the average asian/latina/euro/american girl. thus a hot white australian girl is considered top notch as there are comparatively fewer of them vs. other nationalities/ethnicities. aussie hot white girl will have a stronger social circle, more choice, higher value than almost every guy who is trying to pick her up via cold approach.

Well melbourne does have poor quality. Good looking white chicks tend to be from richer families, and I suspect have a more precious esteem to defend.

Quote:9. online game here basically doesn't exist the only girls who use it are fatties and trolls. melbourne guys who use dating apps/websites designed for overseas cities report much higher uptake from hot girls, more normal, perceived as less competitive, more culturally acceptable to meet a guy from internet than it is here, at least for girls who are 6+ in quality.

there's a strong perception that guys from melbourne who can already get laid from cold approach pickup will rack up huge numbers overseas. there is a similar perception that guys who come from overseas will do worse in melbourne than where they are from unless they are spanish/french/italian/(maybe black american too). everyone else is fucked.

Post: #33

(07-29-2013 10:28 AM)Fredster Wrote:  But stick to French and East European and Italians, they are hotter.

What French girls?

As for the Italian girls, be *careful* if father/brother Giuseppe find you screwing around with her, they will saw your balls off for a bit of sport...lol

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #34

Great observations. Used to be married to one. I once bought shots for a couple girls I had just met at a bar in Melbourne. The girls insisted on returning the favor. Not many American girls offer to buy. Next thing I know, we're doing shots so many times I had lost count. Aussie city girls are marrying later. They're career oriented. They make their own money. They're used to aggressive approaches from both wogs and other Aussie blokes in clubs. Have the humor of a sailor, even the model types. I agree, best approach is daytime.

Post: #35

(07-29-2013 03:22 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 10:31 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  Melbourne girls can be quite strangely conservative, almost Victorian in their outlook. Sydney girls tend to be quite a bit brighter, bubbly and outgoing, but good luck having interesting conversations with them.

There is reason so many Sydney siders move from Sydney to Melbourne, even despite the Melbourne weather being so shit and crazy.

Melbourne is the most left-wing city in country, the girls definitely aren't conservative. Their personalities are colder overall compared to Sydney because Melbourne is much more hipster.

agreed.

and if you're dealing with bogan girls, they are masculine in their personalities, I guess Australian girls (Like most western girls in general) on an overall scale are.

(07-25-2013 02:42 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  australian girls are likely to be well travelled. a huge percentage have undertaken a trip to europe/southeast asia, same with kiwi girls.

australian girls can be broken down into various socio-economic cultural segments. unlike some other countries where only the rich travel overseas, in australia almost everyone from the cities will be able to venture outside into the big world.

in melbourne here is a breakdown of their characteristics:

white urban hipster - this is actually the mainstream. university educated, probably studied journalism, english, film studies, law, etc. will attend a lot of house parties, live close to the city, tend to love france/italy/south america, will generally go bars over clubs. looks down on gym rats and wogs, loves musicians and artistic types, strong celebration of coffee culture, big into human rights and independent festivals.

white urban mainstream - this is actually the minority but would be considered mainstream overseas or in the rest of australia due to their acceptance of US pop culture. generally studies commerce, business studies, something that doesn't force them to think too hard about values or issues. Lives in the eastern suburbs with family, goes to clubs, likes avicci and EDM festivals, would rather greek islands or koh phangan on holidays than vienna or chiang mai.

white urban trash - uneducated, lives in the west, distant eastern suburbs or far north. might go to tafe to learn hairdressing/beauty therapy or work as a secretary. won't have anything interesting to say. will generally have an unsavoury nasal accent.

white country - generally racist or parochial as they didn't grow up in multicultural urban australia. very rare to find a hot country girl as she only has english/irish DNA, and if she was hot she would probably already be locked down by some guy already in her country town.

westernised asian - big chunk of aussie girl population. they'll either fit into the first or second white girl camp unless their parents were refugees or recent immigrants. like white guys.

wog (meditteranean/levant background) - annoying as fuck. generally hotter than the other groups due to better genetics. very rarely find them in the hipster camp, mostly mainstream, love guys with aesthetics, electronic dance music, can sometimes have far more conservative parents than average girl. mostly commonly have a bit of greek/italian/turk/lebanese/balkan power in them.

Wow, this is very very accurate (Coming from a Melb Local)

Post: #36

My parents are from India and I have found Australian women to be nicer than White American women, at least.

Like someone else wrote, White Australian women are more aware of what is going on in the world.

I find the Australian accent to be sexy.

Post: #37

More notes. American women are more forthcoming. They are more likely to be the aggressors. Aussie girls tend to be quite repressed in that department. American girls are more likely to really let you know they are interested, yet both are kind of held back. That is when you compare them to girls from other countries who often will be really charming, ask you lots of questions, be willing to say upfront what they think and feel about you. etc put work into the interaction. Sometimes the attitude you get from both girls is that they are lying back and thinking of England, many times you can feel they are not really putting an effort into relating with you. I figure at the end of the day, they do not really know how, as Anglo culture is just so repressed.

I find it quite rare Aussie girls will ask questions. That would be to be far too interested! far too receptive! slutty even!

The only time I've really blatently gotten questions from an Aussie girl is when they think they are going to lose you (physically you are about to walk away or you just showed you really didn't give a shit) And their attitude is the same, that their pussy is golden - and that should be enough for you!

So these tactics, you know, being withheld, the typical mystery method stuff is based upon an "I am better than you" paradigm, which again, is related to class. But it really, at the end of the day, I think just is a defence against profound interpersonal insecurity in that culture.

Sad thing is it kind of works, to build initial attraction at least. Go around showing too much interest and she will not like that. You can even be accused of being a "stalker" if you show too much interest. I suspect this is because they just can't handle intimacy at all.

For the most part, Aussie girls can't handle love. It freaks them out. It destroys their game, they lose their "cool". I've experienced this many times. I don't have enough experience with American women to say, but suspect it is much the same.

Buyer beware!

Post: #38

(08-02-2013 10:33 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  For the most part, Aussie girls can't handle love. It freaks them out. It destroys their game, they lose their "cool". I've experienced this many times.

Buyer beware!

I had the same experience with this Aussie woman, I loved. She did not know how to react.

Post: #39

(07-29-2013 10:28 AM)Fredster Wrote:  Avoid the Indian women in Australia, they are just like white chicks, but Indian looking. unlike the Asians( Orientals) Indian women worship the aussie white women lifestyle and try to be like them.

I agree 100%, Indian women from Australia are horrible people. Brown skin with colonial British attitude Worse than White Australian women.

Post: #40

No American woman has ever asked me about marriage. However the only Australian woman I have ever met, asked me about marriage and other personal questions.

I would choose an Australian women over an American -- any day of the week.

Post: #41

Damn you guys paint a harsh picture of OZ. (Cancels trip to OZ.)

Just playing I wasn't planning on heading there anytime soon, but you guys sound like you have it as bad as the average North American or worse.

Post: #42

Was just searching to see if this forum has anything on my city (Melbourne) and found the thread.

I was wondering if my own observations were true, but it seems that people have the same impression of the girls here! The above breakdown of different types of girls and the RSD video are spot on.

There are many good reasons to visit Melbourne, but our girls are nothing to write home about. With the same effort, I can pick up a hotter European tourist or international student, who's also likely more pleasant and feminine.

Post: #43

I haven't had any luck with Aussie girls and I've met quite a few traveling in SEA and S. America. When I was in SEA I saw lots of really hot ones, but from my experience they tended to be snobby and stuck up, plus really clique-ish when traveling with friends. Certainly my game could have been better, but I found them to be quicker to blow me out than even your typical American girl, plus somewhat condescending.

If you're an Aussie guy American women will fawn over you because of your accent, plus the perception that Oz is this exotic, rough and tumble place full of Crocodile Dundee masculine men. I've met some cool Aussies for sure, but overall I found Aussie guys to be arrogant pricks (no offense to our Aussie members here). Arrogant prick game can work well with women, so I see how Aussie guys do well and admit that a lot of them have pretty good game, which thus makes having good game even more necessary when dealing with Aussie chicks. However, while Aussie guys kill it with American girls, I have found that from my experiences and observations, it doesn't work the other way around, Aussie girls don't seem very enamored with American guys, but interestingly British girls seem to dig American dudes though.

Post: #44

With Aussie girls, you need to be Spanish, Portuguese or French to absolutely kill it. Young Aussies are generally flat out anti-American or at most indifferent towards Americans, which is why you get the attitude from them.

Post: #45

Yeah, Aussie girls have a huge fantasy of european and south american men, they do pretty well.

Post: #46

Met a shitload of Aussies in Samui for the full moon party. I like them. Opened up on two sets and both were cool as shit. If I stuck it out with one group probably would have got the lay. We were suppose to meet up after but if you have been to the Full Moon party, Spring Break on SPI, or Burbon St in New Orleans during parade season then you know you will rately run into anybody twice.

I dont have two much experience with white Americans (maybe 7-10 lays) but unless American bishes are into hiphop culture then I rarely close. Aussies seemed to be more open and interested in American culture. I smashed an Aussie in GDL who didnt seem like the type to like black cock or hiphop. Just had to run dont fuck it up game and she gave it up.

Would I move there? Naw but I would hit Samui, Bali or BKK to get my Aussie fill. To me an Aussie is equal to a middle American white chick. Cool, open and curious. That's my opinion from less than 10 Aussie encounters.

Post: #47

(09-30-2013 04:28 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  I dont have two much experience with white Americans (maybe 7-10 lays) but unless American bishes are into hiphop culture then I rarely close. Aussies seemed to be more open and interested in American culture. I smashed an Aussie in GDL who didnt seem like the type to like black cock or hiphop. Just had to run dont fuck it up game and she gave it up.

Would I move there? Naw but I would hit Samui, Bali or BKK to get my Aussie fill. To me an Aussie is equal to a middle American white chick. Cool, open and curious. That's my opinion from less than 10 Aussie encounters.

Yeah but TexasMade you are a black man, supposedly according to all the chatter on the forum, Aussie girls are crazy about black American dudes. Not to take anything away from you, because I'm sure your looks, swagger, and game are on point, but it could be one of those things where you fit into a desired niche that Aussie girls are into. I'm white/middle eastern, so maybe that makes me less exotic or interesting to them.

In the U.S. there are tons of black people, sure there are white girls who dig black guys (sometimes exclusively), but we all know about mainstream U.S. society and culture attitudes towards race. I'd imagine that black people make up an extremely small percentage of Australian society, and most are probably from African nations. I wouldn't doubt that black American culture is seen as cool or interesting to a lot of Aussie chicks, hip hop, sports stars, etc.

Post: #48

Yeah it's true, black Americans are considered very cool, and girls down here rarely get to meet one so you have many "curious" ones. Pretty much "don't fuck it up" game.

Post: #49

Good stuff something i want to add. The type of aussie guy that can do pretty damn well in Australia can also get few results overseas due to being so aggressive and his personality. A mate of mine went to europe and was only able to hookup with aussie chicks how sad is that.. There is also the opposite problem, an aussie guy who struggles in Australia, can kill it overseas if he stays long enough. Aussie accent is a big +. But being loud and obnoxious can fuck up your chances, unless you are in the UK.

Yes online game sucks ass in Australia, there are small moments where there is an ok looking girl that wants to meet up but other than that you get fat and ugly broads only on these sites and its honestly not worth the time. Tinder was also good I had heard when it first came up, but now it is just filled with attention seeking whores. If you can get a 6-7+ girl to meet you off tinder you are doing very well. If I manage to match with a hot girl, she almost never replies. If shes a 6 then she might reply once with something shitty then thats it. 5's and lower is all you can really get.

True, dating around is not common at all. You basically need to be very good at your craft. And by craft I mean the type of girls you are going after. If its the wogs then you need to be a 'sick cunt with a good car'.
Sick cunt or lad I think the best way to describe it is with this video




My mate did well with these girls, If your going for the trash or full aussie girl then you need to be arrogant and aggressive. There are also the girls that are so inexperienced, (going back to the problem of no dating around). If you are not aggressive you will end up with these girls. I've hooked up with girls that had never even kissed a guy before and they were hot! but they were so awkward. And its obvious I would have to 'make' her my girlfriend and wait a few months before I could ever fuck her. Fuck that.

I'm always struggling in Aus especially after coming back from Europe because it changed me. The wogs are definitely the hottest and were the ones I went after, have to start talking like an idiot again to get these birds.

My advice for anyone visiting Australia. Social circle game try get into social circles by becoming friends with a hot girl or guy with status. When you visit a club talk to as many people as you can guys or girls. Be prepared to deal with bitch shields, if you get any receptiveness be bold. Actually scratch that just be bold always. Your other option is to bang trolls and gremlins which is good for a funny story to your mates aftwards.

Post: #50

I can't stand Aussie girls. They are more masculine than American women...at least the ones that I run into traveling are--getting ripping drunk, cursing and extremely loud.

Ran into one last night, she was good looking...but that attitude and accent, no thanks.