Post: #26

(07-15-2013 10:46 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 10:43 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Eh..3500 for braces? Once. My kids college is paid for already. Insurance is 15 bucks a month covers everything FL healthy kids program.

Like I said it's no big deal. Don't let it scare you.

I agree, having a kid isn't about the money. For me, I just can't get over the freedom factor. I am sure that would change if I had a kid but I am getting to old to think about one now.

Well in my case my kid balanced my life. I was way too wild now I think about her before I do some stupid shit. We used to start partying at my work at 3pm by 6 this place was out of control..Cops here all the time etc.
Then I'd take a shower and continue. Hop on the boat after a bottle of rum or go brawl it out in shithole bars, run sluts etc 7 days a week.

Post: #27

(07-15-2013 10:49 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  I don't want kids at all, and I honestly don't envision that ever changing.
Even if in the future the planets aligned or something and I both found a broad I felt compelled to settle down with (who I legit thought I'd be spending the rest of my life with) AND found myself wanting a kid, then I honestly think I'd just adopt one... Plenty of unwanted kids for the taking, might as well claim one of them. All the "fun" of raising a kid without subjecting my woman's body to the havoc of pregnancy.

There is no greater turnoff to me than a chick with a kid... Don't think I could ever bring myself to fuck a girl who has given birth. Bleh.
I hang my head and facepalm when I see highschool and college age bitches becoming single mothers. What a fucking waste, on so many levels.

Nice post. And you are some kind of genius. I always liked the idea of adopting a kid (so as to do some genuine good in the world) as opposed to having one. But - could never make up my mind.

But the idea of adopting a kid so that your wife's body doesn't get all fucked up is a good one. I never thought of that.

Still - it is irrelevent for me. The chances of me ever wanting a kid are the same of me going gay. Never going to happen.

Post: #28

Quote:And you are some kind of genius.

Oh yeah he is. And when she leaves him he'll be paying child support for some fucked up kid that isn't even his.

Post: #29

What would be the functional difference between that and paying child support for a fucked up kid that was mine?

Post: #30

(07-15-2013 01:17 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  What would be the functional difference between that and paying child support for a fucked up kid that was mine?

You put effort into where the kid's coming from. First you and your girl meaning healthy. Not some Ukrainian hooker smoking and shooting heroin while pregnant. Second it's your kid, real blood. You don't know how fucked up the real parents are which they must be if the kid is up for adoption. That kid will inherit those genes.

Post: #31

My brother is my "real blood" I hate that motherfucker more than most.
Adoption agencies aren't shelling out kids with fetal alcohol syndrome and congenital heart defects, screening for that kind of stuff is a trivial matter... You think the SWPL couples out there that adopt would stand for having a diseased kid handed off to them? No fuckin' way.

Post: #32

Why would you even raise a kids that's not yours?

No offense but I want to raise my own flesh and blood.

Post: #33

(07-15-2013 01:39 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  My brother is my "real blood" I hate that motherfucker more than most.
Adoption agencies aren't shelling out kids with fetal alcohol syndrome and congenital heart defects, screening for that kind of stuff is a trivial matter... You think the SWPL couples out there that adopt would stand for having a diseased kid handed off to them? No fuckin' way.

You sound like a very selfish person. You hate your brother and don't want to bang a girl who's had a kid even though it's yours.

Good luck

Post: #34

(07-15-2013 01:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:39 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  My brother is my "real blood" I hate that motherfucker more than most.
Adoption agencies aren't shelling out kids with fetal alcohol syndrome and congenital heart defects, screening for that kind of stuff is a trivial matter... You think the SWPL couples out there that adopt would stand for having a diseased kid handed off to them? No fuckin' way.

You sound like a very selfish person. You hate your brother and don't want to bang a girl who's had a kid even though it's yours.

Good luck

Why is somebody deserving of unconditional love and acceptance for the happenstance that they share genetic information with you?
There is nothing a given family member of yours could do to make you dislike them?

Post: #35

If the decision to have children was purely logical, then a lot of people would not be having children.

The desire to have kids is an irrational act of will. It's an inner desire and craving that's been deeply implanted into many people though of course there are exceptions. I have no desire to have kids myself. I want to note that I don't use the word "irrational", at least in this context in a negative sense. Honestly, I do think that when you go trace any of the most important desire in life back to it's root, you will find just pure will and not a logical foundation if that makes any sense.

Post: #36

(07-15-2013 02:01 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:39 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  My brother is my "real blood" I hate that motherfucker more than most.
Adoption agencies aren't shelling out kids with fetal alcohol syndrome and congenital heart defects, screening for that kind of stuff is a trivial matter... You think the SWPL couples out there that adopt would stand for having a diseased kid handed off to them? No fuckin' way.

You sound like a very selfish person. You hate your brother and don't want to bang a girl who's had a kid even though it's yours.

Good luck

Why is somebody deserving of unconditional love and acceptance for the happenstance that they share genetic information with you?
There is nothing a given family member of yours could do to make you dislike them?

We're talking about your child here. It's 100% on you to raise into the best possible.

My family pisses me off all the time but they get a pass. It's more comical than anything else. I just had my cousin in my office telling me he quit drinking while he was having some Canadian mist that really didn't count.

Post: #37

(07-15-2013 02:03 PM)Wutang Wrote:  If the decision to have children was purely logical, then a lot of people would not be having children. The desire to have kids is an irrational act of will.

The world is not moved by rationality. It is moved by passion. Eros rules.

Of course having children is not purely logical or rational. People have children because they have a biological affinity for procreation. Those who lack such an affinity are weeded out of the gene pool every generation.

What is truly irrational is to believe that rationality matters much. As if one needed an ab initio explanation for everything one finds pleasant. That sounds rather crypto-puritanical to me. Why do I like women, wine, and song? I have no idea, and I am not planning on wasting any time investigating this open problem. Thousands of years of natural selection have made me what I am, and natural selection does not obey the laws of logical inference.

To put it more mathematically: love is an axiom, not a conclusion one obtains by reasoning from first principles.

Post: #38

(07-15-2013 02:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  We're talking about your child here. It's 100% on you to raise into the best possible.

Of course, man. If I end up having a kid, adopted or not, I would do nothing short of raise it to the absolute best of my abilities. Doesn't your statement kind of reinforce that adoption as compared to childbirth doesn't really matter? You are first and foremost providing an upbringing, not just your super awesome genes.

Post: #39

(07-15-2013 02:17 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:03 PM)Wutang Wrote:  If the decision to have children was purely logical, then a lot of people would not be having children. The desire to have kids is an irrational act of will.

The world is not moved by rationality. It is moved by passion. Eros rules.

Of course having children is not purely logical or rational. People have children because they have a biological affinity for procreation. Those who lack such an affinity are weeded out of the gene pool every generation.

What is truly irrational is to believe that rationality matters much. As if one needed an ab initio explanation for everything one finds pleasant. That sounds rather crypto-puritanical to me. Why do I like women, wine, and song? I have no idea, and I am not planning on wasting any time investigating this open problem. Thousands of years of natural selection have made me what I am, and natural selection does not obey the laws of logical inference.

To put it more mathematically: love is an axiom, not a conclusion one obtains by reasoning from first principles.

Yeah that's what I was trying to get at when I said "Honestly, I do think that when you go trace any of the most important desire in life back to it's root, you will find just pure will and not a logical foundation if that makes any sense" in my 2nd paragraph. You expressed the same idea better then I did though.

Post: #40

(07-15-2013 02:19 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  We're talking about your child here. It's 100% on you to raise into the best possible.

Of course, man. If I end up having a kid, adopted or not, I would do nothing short of raise it to the absolute best of my abilities. Doesn't your statement kind of reinforce that adoption as compared to childbirth doesn't really matter? You are first and foremost providing an upbringing, not just your super awesome genes.

Able body people adopting makes no sense. Let people who can't have kids adopt.

Post: #41

If kids are so expensive to raise, why is it that poor people have the most kids?

Kids are actually dirt cheap. They're free to produce, and feeding them will cost you half of what it costs to feed yourself. They live in the same house as you, and you don't need to send them to college. True story I will not be sending any of my kids to college, complete waste of time. Turns daughters into sluts and wastes a sons time when he should be learning skills at the prime learning ages of 14-24.

Kids only really cost one thing: time. Kids cost a lot of time. That is why rich people, who have tons of cash but are short on time, never want kids, while poor people, who have no cash but tons of time, are always having kids.

Post: #42

(07-15-2013 01:26 AM)Hades Wrote:  It always cracks me up (in a pretty dark way) to hear about couples I know who have struggled to have kids for two or more years. Almost inevitably they get tested and find out there's nothing wrong with the guy, she had just taken so many dicks in eighteen months of college that she was almost completely sterile.

Can someone fill me in? I do not follow. I'm assuming you mean the STD's made her sterile because I haven't heard of too much sex, or too much variety, making someone sterile.

Post: #43

I am assuming alot of you guys are young, when you are young you feel the need not to have children. Of course when you are young you think you will live forever, you won't.
As you get older your mates will start having children as they settle down with some warm blooded female, they will change and so will you.
Your parents will start to get older in front of your eyes, they will hint about grandkids because their friends have them.
Chasing pussy is always nice, but after a certain age women want to bond with you. They want boyfriends that will lead to something more serious, which can be annoying because you just want to bust a nut.
I would like to have a child, everything else just seems to become less important as you get older.

Post: #44

(07-15-2013 10:49 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:  All the "fun" of raising a kid without subjecting my woman's body to the havoc of pregnancy.

I don't want to have kids but if my father does decide to bribe me into giving our family a heir,he will have to pay for a surrogate.It is that or tricking one of his 4 daughters to marry a guy who will take wife's name.Or even better : he can find a brave girl to be his wife and try to have a brand new son