Post: #1

My brother and I were talking yesterday, and he pointed out I often bring up topics about sex/game.

I like to spar, but I realized this is probably bad for my friendships in general. Do you guys just shut up when someone brings up the topic of relationships and not offer your two cents? Most people, after all, still have not taken the red pill.

Also... in order to get good at game, do you have to work so hard at it that it becomes an obsession?

I manage to bag a decent number of girls, but hardly ever better than 7. To reach the 8 and 9s, do I need to practice so hard it becomes almost an obsession? I've known about game for many years, but am nowhere near where I want to be.

Post: #2

Understanding game is understanding the psychology of women. It is to be able to bypass the social programming that they have received in order to tap into their true primal nature.
To be cognizant of the processes involved in bagging women is to have game. Also, game helps with life and game even helps with long term relationships because many men actually settle for women in marriage. As a result, they may be locked into a Long Term Relationship with a woman who doesn't respect them and doesn't allow them to grow as a man. It's a bit like someone not realizing their potential. By not having game, many men fail their potential and end up with crappy women and convince themselves by saying well it's not the looks but she is a nice person etc etc.

I agree that it's not all about the looks but they make it seem like it's impossible to find women who look good and are also nice. These women exist everywhere! However, they are usually taken by guys WITH game which leaves the fugly ones with nice personalities AS WELL as the fugly ones with bad personalities to the guys with NO game.

So who do you want to be and what sort of leftovers do you desire?

Post: #3

(03-22-2011 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  Understanding game is understanding the psychology of women. It is to be able to bypass the social programming that they have received in order to tap into their true primal nature.
To be cognizant of the processes involved in bagging women is to have game. Also, game helps with life and game even helps with long term relationships because many men actually settle for women in marriage. As a result, they may be locked into a Long Term Relationship with a woman who doesn't respect them and doesn't allow them to grow as a man. It's a bit like someone not realizing their potential. By not having game, many men fail their potential and end up with crappy women and convince themselves by saying well it's not the looks but she is a nice person etc etc.

This is probably the best description I have ever read to define the term "game". Nice!

Mixx

Post: #4

(03-22-2011 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  Understanding game is understanding the psychology of women. It is to be able to bypass the social programming that they have received in order to tap into their true primal nature.
To be cognizant of the processes involved in bagging women is to have game. Also, game helps with life and game even helps with long term relationships because many men actually settle for women in marriage. As a result, they may be locked into a Long Term Relationship with a woman who doesn't respect them and doesn't allow them to grow as a man. It's a bit like someone not realizing their potential. By not having game, many men fail their potential and end up with crappy women and convince themselves by saying well it's not the looks but she is a nice person etc etc.

I agree that it's not all about the looks but they make it seem like it's impossible to find women who look good and are also nice. These women exist everywhere! However, they are usually taken by guys WITH game which leaves the fugly ones with nice personalities AS WELL as the fugly ones with bad personalities to the guys with NO game.

So who do you want to be and what sort of leftovers do you desire?

Brilliant description. Whenever I get any doubts about the energy I put into game, I'll keep your wise words in mind!

Post: #5

(03-22-2011 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  Also, game helps with life and game even helps with long term relationships because many men actually settle for women in marriage. As a result, they may be locked into a Long Term Relationship with a woman who doesn't respect them and doesn't allow them to grow as a man. It's a bit like someone not realizing their potential. By not having game, many men fail their potential and end up with crappy women and convince themselves by saying well it's not the looks but she is a nice person etc etc.

Not really. The problem I see with the game is when someone spends most of their time in polishing their game, without spending the same effort in increasing their real value. This finally ends up with a situation when you can pick up girls whose value is significantly higher than yours. You can do it by displaying a fake higher value and gaming them, but you cannot do it in a LTR - so once she knows your true value and finds out it is a lower one, your relationship is doomed. There is a balance point which, once passed, will make things worse if you have an LTR in mind.

I was really surprised when I recently finished "The Game" by Neil Strauss, and he's basically saying the same things - and he bases them on his personal experience.

Post: #6

To answer the OP, the only way the "obsession" with game is bad, is if you're spending all your time discussing game and reading about it, and not going out and putting in work.

Post: #7

(03-22-2011 11:35 PM)CJ Wrote:  To answer the OP, the only way the "obsession" with game is bad, is if you're spending all your time discussing game and reading about it, and not going out and putting in work.

I agree with this. Game needs to become a major focus in your life in order to improve over time -- it has to become part of your character and self. Obsessing over game is overanalyzing and theorycrafting too much.

Post: #8

(03-22-2011 08:30 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-22-2011 10:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  Also, game helps with life and game even helps with long term relationships because many men actually settle for women in marriage. As a result, they may be locked into a Long Term Relationship with a woman who doesn't respect them and doesn't allow them to grow as a man. It's a bit like someone not realizing their potential. By not having game, many men fail their potential and end up with crappy women and convince themselves by saying well it's not the looks but she is a nice person etc etc.

Not really. The problem I see with the game is when someone spends most of their time in polishing their game, without spending the same effort in increasing their real value. This finally ends up with a situation when you can pick up girls whose value is significantly higher than yours. You can do it by displaying a fake higher value and gaming them, but you cannot do it in a LTR - so once she knows your true value and finds out it is a lower one, your relationship is doomed. There is a balance point which, once passed, will make things worse if you have an LTR in mind.

I was really surprised when I recently finished "The Game" by Neil Strauss, and he's basically saying the same things - and he bases them on his personal experience.

Great point. All the pickup gurus seem to have had big problems with LTR's, from Strauss, to Mystery, to Juggler, etc. It's a problem with not only building a house of cards without working on their true value, but also that dealing with so many girls fucks with your psychology over time.

Post: #9

I would probably say that most guys in here have had no problems with LTR's. They actually have something to offer in those situations. Very few in here are natural playas and they have overworked their internal qualities. The problem is, women these days are taking stuff too far. I meet women every day who claim they want to take it slow because they are not about one night stands but if you know the hordes of skeletons in their closet, you'd swear they had majority shares in the cemetary business.

Now a lot of the guys in here are nice guys but nice guys don't get the best women.

I see women exactly the same as job hunting.

Let's say you have a desire for a particular career. Even if you are perfectly suited for the job (possessing real value), if you don't have the necessary interview skills (game), you won't get the job (8.5-10 dyme) and you will end up getting a subpar job with shitty benefits, low job satisfaction, lower pay etc (less attractive woman)

If you have the right skill sets and fantastic interview skills, you can get the perfect job that fits your personality and character. You can try different jobs (fcuk/date different lizards) until you find the perfect one that you can stay with until retirement (marriage until death).

Any job you have will also put in at very minimum, 50 percent of the effort to please AND understand you in order to make sure that you stick around because they know that you are a hot commodity on the market.

It's the same way a woman who has an A-man (male of high status/game) will be less mouthy because she knows that he is in high demand and she has a good thing going.

Having game is a must for males. More people settle for crap than actually have the problem of not being able to settle or work on their inner game.

Look at the numbers and the amount of beta chodes out there highly outnumber the PUAs who are able to put in high numbers on a weekly or montly basis.

Either get your game up or put on a dress and pull your tarzan thongs to the side so she can have easy access to hit from the back with the aluminium strap on.

Nuff said.

Post: #10

(03-23-2011 01:20 PM)Moma Wrote:  I see women exactly the same as job hunting.
Let's say you have a desire for a particular career. Even if you are perfectly suited for the job (possessing real value), if you don't have the necessary interview skills (game), you won't get the job (8.5-10 dyme) and you will end up getting a subpar job with shitty benefits, low job satisfaction, lower pay etc (less attractive woman)

People who have real value do not need game to land a good job. I really doubt a world-class football player or a famous actor need any game at all. They have people fighting for them. You really think an oil sheik needs any game to get a hot chick?

The opposite, however, is true: if you have only game but not real value, which is the situation I described, you'll get hired for those jobs - but you'll be kicked out in a week, as soon as they found out you don't know the shit.

Quote:If you have the right skill sets and fantastic interview skills, you can get the perfect job that fits your personality and character.

If people are happy with your skill set (i.e. real value), you hardly need any negotiations, and you don't need game.

Same with women, to get into LTR with a woman who likes the guys like you, with all your weaknesses, you just need to be yourself. If you're a geek weirdo who can only talk about Starcraft, but you meet a woman who is into it too, you'll be happy without any game.

Quote:Having game is a must for males. More people settle for crap than actually have the problem of not being able to settle or work on their inner game.

A lot of people making the mistake of getting into LTR with the best looking girl, instead of paying more attention to more important things like personality. They don't need game, they need to think with their head and not with their cock.

Post: #11

(03-23-2011 12:25 PM)gringoed Wrote:  Great point. All the pickup gurus seem to have had big problems with LTR's, from Strauss, to Mystery, to Juggler, etc. It's a problem with not only building a house of cards without working on their true value, but also that dealing with so many girls fucks with your psychology over time.

As he said it himself, "The problem with being a pickup artist is that there are concepts like sincerity, genuineness, trust, and connection that are important to women. And all the techniques that are so effective in beginning a relationship violate every principle necessary to maintaining one."

Nothing left to add.

Post: #12

So the recommendation is - improve game (social skills) at the cost of other activities.

We could spend all our time following our hobbies, and our awesomeness would be apparent to women, but I imagine a more efficient way to meet more women would be to spend less time on hunting or working out, and more time on improving game - becoming a master at approaching, at transitioning to the next level, etc. Mixx has that shit down.

So... I guess it's just a matter of priorities. Do you want to bang SOME women (most of us in here), or a LOT of women (mixx). The latter will take practice and time, at least for me, to get to that level.

Post: #13

obsessing about game is good if that means going out 5 nights a week for a limited amount of time and putting yourself in high pressure situations, approaching out of your comfort zone, etc.

Obsessing about game is bad if it means micromanaging and overanalyzing theories.

Understanding the principles of what makes a person attractive is a great thing, but basing attractiveness on routines (unless you are truly starting from ground zero) can create this uncomfortable feeling, even if you are getting results.

If you are going out and pushing sets to the limit and really really testing yourself 3, 4, 5 nights a week, without drinking, then you will definitely see your skills and your confidence soar. It's doing something only a small fraction of men will ever do in their lives. At first, it's pretty scary, but after the first or second set of each night, it's as fun as can be. By the second or third week, you'll be itching to get out because it's so fun. approach anxiety disappears.

Post: #14

(03-23-2011 08:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  [quote='Moma' pid='48045' dateline='1300904454']
I see women exactly the same as job hunting.
Let's say you have a desire for a particular career. Even if you are perfectly suited for the job (possessing real value), if you don't have the necessary interview skills (game), you won't get the job (8.5-10 dyme) and you will end up getting a subpar job with shitty benefits, low job satisfaction, lower pay etc (less attractive woman)

People who have real value do not need game to land a good job. I really doubt a world-class football player or a famous actor need any game at all. They have people fighting for them. You really think an oil sheik needs any game to get a hot chick?
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A world-class football player or being an actor is not a job to me. I am talking about average jobs which most of us are capable of getting.

Most of us are incapable of landing a 'job' as a world-class football player or being a famous actor. That is based mostly on providence than just hard work.
However, most of us can be engineers, doctors, lawyers, scientists and so forth. You see tons of them every year all over the place. The average doctor with the best swag gets the best starting point. At least, with his/her foot in the door, s/he gets the chance to prove himself/herself.

With game, she gets the chance to see your real value.

(03-23-2011 08:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  The opposite, however, is true: if you have only game but not real value, which is the situation I described, you'll get hired for those jobs - but you'll be kicked out in a week, as soon as they found out you don't know the shit.

You are taking extremes into account. Of course you need some value. I think most people in here have some value even if they are a world class dickhead. Unless that person is a covert psycho that will inflict harm on others, then they have some value there. I know some people with job game that have gotten and been kicked out of so many jobs that they actually learned enough in the few weeks that they worked each job that they now actually know their shit.

Now there is a significant difference in some value and EXCEPTIONAL value. If people perceive you have EXCEPTIONAL value, they will throw you a bone and through mere association with big dogs, your REAL value will eventually be increased through mere association.

If you've been dated 15 Oprahs for 1 month apiece (she founds out that you are a clueless and inconsiderate douchebag and kicks you to the curb), after Oprah number 15, you will have picked up enough value to actually blow the 16th Oprah's mind and be able to sustain an LTR (if you choose) with her.

In life, ON AVERAGE, the people who do the best are the most sociable ones and the ones who understand people the best. They end up making the most money, getting the best women etc. Having real value but only average social intelligence will get you average results whereas having EXCEPTIONAL social intelligence and average values will usually get you EXCEPTIONAL results.

That's why you have the mathematicians and the dweebs in the laboratory and in the office pulling in maybe 120-200K per annum while the socially adept peeps are outsourcing the skillsets of the dweebs, making 500K+.

(03-23-2011 08:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  [quote='Moma' pid='48045' dateline='1300904454']
If you have the right skill sets and fantastic interview skills, you can get the perfect job that fits your personality and character.

(03-23-2011 08:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  If people are happy with your skill set (i.e. real value), you hardly need any negotiations, and you don't need game.

They will not know your skill set if you do not market your skill set accordingly. Women are more attracted to a worldly man and a man with game will know how to deal with women.

When a PUA decides to settle down, during his LTR/marriage, he will be more likely able to recognise triggers and manage his woman accordingly.

Regardless of whether a woman has the same personality as you, she is still a woman and is still governed by female hormones, physiology and feminine (or feminist) social programming.

A PUA in an LTR will know what a woman really means, when to just leave it and when to step in.

(03-23-2011 08:57 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Same with women, to get into LTR with a woman who likes the guys like you, with all your weaknesses, you just need to be yourself. If you're a geek weirdo who can only talk about Starcraft, but you meet a woman who is into it too, you'll be happy without any game.

Quote:Having game is a must for males. More people settle for crap than actually have the problem of not being able to settle or work on their inner game.

[quote='oldnemesis' pid='48109' dateline='1300931872']
A lot of people making the mistake of getting into LTR with the best looking girl, instead of paying more attention to more important things like personality. They don't need game, they need to think with their head and not with their cock.

A true PUA will realise that looks don't matter anyway. After one has sexed down 1000 hot lizards, you will inevitably start to look for deeper things than just looks. Guys who LTR women with looks are still in awe at a pretty face, a nice tail and a nice rack. When you've sucked on hundreds of top range tits, you'll realise that these things are easily attainable and when you've gotten the physical excitement out of the way, you'll look for other things.

It is important for men to realise that it is in our nature to sex a lot of women. Nature doesn't make mistakes. We are designed that way. We are designed to breathe oxygen, eat when hungry, love, cry and sex a lot of women.

Whenever you suppress this nature (going into LTR's on the WRONG premise), you will be at constant war with yourself and it will manifest on your entire relationship. Your behaviour towards your woman will be affected and that ship will not sail the way it is supposed to.

The top two reasons why LTR's/marriages fall apart are:
1) Money
2) Sex

So think with your head AND your dick. Work with your dick not against it. Don't think that her personality will override physical needs and desires. Learn game and find yourself the best chick that will further your empire when you are ready to settle down.
If you are the type of guy with a low sex drive who only fcuks once a month for five mins one pop, then by all means, think with your head ONLY.

Beautiful, intelligent with good genes and a matching personalities. Only settle on your terms.

Post: #15

You can get girls by lying...or, you can get girls by telling the truth.

When you get girls by lying, you are not really working on your long term Inner Game. You are not becoming a stronger man in all areas of your life. In fact you might be getting weaker if your Game is based on deception.

When you can get girls just by telling the truth, it helps you in all aspects of your life. You become more confident and sure of yourself. This is the right approach to Game. Its not about girls, its about you. Girls will naturally follow a strong man.

Another thing is lifestyle...

If you go out a couple nights a week, drinking heavy and doing hard drugs, eating bad and not resting, that will wear you down and make you look and feel older then you are. Girls are not worth that.

Better to work on your sober game. When you can get girls in the day time, sober, you will become cool, calm, and collected. You will carry yourself in a way that helps you in all aspects of life.

I have been meaning to write a post on "healthy game"

Like they say..."If you cheat the Game, the Game will cheat you"

Post: #16

(03-24-2011 01:46 AM)Invictus Wrote:  So the recommendation is - improve game (social skills) at the cost of other activities.

We could spend all our time following our hobbies, and our awesomeness would be apparent to women, but I imagine a more efficient way to meet more women would be to spend less time on hunting or working out, and more time on improving game - becoming a master at approaching, at transitioning to the next level, etc. Mixx has that shit down.

So... I guess it's just a matter of priorities. Do you want to bang SOME women (most of us in here), or a LOT of women (mixx). The latter will take practice and time, at least for me, to get to that level.

Of course not. Mind, body, spirit, that should always be top of the list. Game is all of these things.

Post: #17

A lot of these posts deal with the discussion from another post about the value of pure game skills vs just relying on being cool in other ways.

What do the guys with +50 notches in here say (assuming the average hotness of the +50s is above 7.0)? Or better yet, what do the guys in here who are having sex with a hot chick every day, be it the same girl or several different, without more than a few days off every year?

I'd like to hear that. What did it take to get THAT good. Did it just happen while they did other cool shit, or did they have to get good at it, the way you get good at speaking a new language or dancing?

I've banged seven girls in six weeks of backpacking. They average at just below 7 - but they're almost all ONS. ONS are only cool if it's a new girl every day, but having sex 10-11 times in 6 weeks is kinda drab.

Post: #18

(03-24-2011 01:33 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  You can get girls by lying...or, you can get girls by telling the truth.

When you get girls by lying, you are not really working on your long term Inner Game. You are not becoming a stronger man in all areas of your life. In fact you might be getting weaker if your Game is based on deception.

When you can get girls just by telling the truth, it helps you in all aspects of your life. You become more confident and sure of yourself. This is the right approach to Game. Its not about girls, its about you. Girls will naturally follow a strong man.

Another thing is lifestyle...

If you go out a couple nights a week, drinking heavy and doing hard drugs, eating bad and not resting, that will wear you down and make you look and feel older then you are. Girls are not worth that.

Why do people associate going out with drinking heavily and doing drugs? I've been going out for years and I hardly ever drink (maybe 3 times a year) and I NEVER do drugs. Are these needed to have a good time?

If that's what it takes to go out and game chicks (being plastered and stoned out of their skulls), then that PUA is not an alpha (sorry for bringing up that accursed term again)

That's why I disagree about the need to comprimise certain values in order to increase DHV in the eyes of a woman. I will do certain things to look favourable in the eyes of a woman (wear decent clothes, wear good shoes, custom-made suits) but I won't comprimise my health (smoke or take drugs) or my beliefs (again harming my body with drugs) for no woman. A true pimp doesn't need weak props (dependence on drugs and alcohol) to score women.
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(03-24-2011 01:33 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Better to work on your sober game. When you can get girls in the day time, sober, you will become cool, calm, and collected. You will carry yourself in a way that helps you in all aspects of life.

I have been meaning to write a post on "healthy game"

Like they say..."If you cheat the Game, the Game will cheat you"

There is no such thing as healthy game if you are talking about telling lies vs telling the truth. Women live a lie. You try going out and telling a woman that you only want to fcuk her and you hope to fcuk her best friend if she is cute too and even her sister/mother/cousin.

See how far those truths get you.

The whole art of game is being flexible and playing to your audience. Look at a good PUA the same way you would look at a successful athlete.

Look at NBA basketball for instance. A good player like Larry Bird will shoot the three if the interior defence is tight (defensive woman amped up on feminist theories and not looking to be any one's notch but she only has one wingwoman) but he will drive for the dunk if the interior is weak but they have good perimeter defense (a woman is DTF but has lots of cockblocking friends surrounding her).

If you play every game the same way, you will only win if the defence is set up in a way that favours your style of offense. Recognise what is being offered and be fluid.

If a woman asks you are you looking for a relationship or a one night stand, do NOT say I am looking for a one night stand, unless you are in an environment where the women are like-minded and not hyped up on some pro-feminist nonsense. Your response should be something that is non committal and open-ended so that no definite conclusions can be drawn from that.

Since the advent of the masculine ideology on how a woman should behave, women have been inclined to surpress their overt sexual intentions and pretend that they don't want it.

The only loophole in the clause that they have created and brought themselves to believe is the almighty EXCUSE.

A woman needs an excuse to have sex with you.

You: Hey, why don't you come over to mine, I have these crazy curtains I bought from Ikea, I think they are Persian.
Her: Oh, wow, Persian curtains, that sounds great. I'll be there at 10pm.

The truth: She is really hoping to fcuk but the curtains provides an excuse so if her friends ask, she can tell them that you seduced her while explaining about the impact of the Persian Gulf on the production of Persian curtains. It's easy for her to finish off the fantasy/lie, if you at least invent the beginning for her.

The common belief amongst women is that only sluts go to a man's house/flat/apt on the invitation of sex.
Women go to men's houses for dinner, to catch a movie, to hang out, to chill and if sex happens, it was because that sneaky deceitful man tricked her into sexual intercourse.

Give her an angle to blame, allow an excuse to be there.

Having game is being able to recognise the cues and navigating through the feminist bullshit.

Post: #19

(03-24-2011 09:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  A world-class football player or being an actor is not a job to me. I am talking about average jobs which most of us are capable of getting.

For average people the best way would be to take an average job, and work up to increase your real value. In long term it is much better than working on interview skills. I can remember quite a lot of people who got very successful through their hard work, but I cannot remember anyone who got very successful through perfecting their interview passing skills.

Quote:Now there is a significant difference in some value and EXCEPTIONAL value. If people perceive you have EXCEPTIONAL value, they will throw you a bone and through mere association with big dogs, your REAL value will eventually be increased through mere association.

If you've been dated 15 Oprahs for 1 month apiece (she founds out that you are a clueless and inconsiderate douchebag and kicks you to the curb), after Oprah number 15, you will have picked up enough value to actually blow the 16th Oprah's mind and be able to sustain an LTR (if you choose) with her.

This will work only temporary. After the first week they'll find it out that your real value is far from being exceptional, they'll kick you out. Once the word is spread, you'll have hard time to land ANY job - even those which would match your real skills.

And getting really good in interviews will make things significantly worse - you'll be considered overqualified for positions which match your real skills perfectly, so you won't get them. At the same time, you won't be able to keep the positions you got because your skills are not good enough for it. Dead end.

Now, which skills you learned during those one-month 15 relationships, which would make the 16th LTR successful? Sure, it will lift up your _perceived_ value, but your _real_ value will still be the same. This will result in your 16, 17 and so on follow the way of previous 15 relationships. Nobody gonna keep you on a job you're not qualified for just because you were fired from 15 previous jobs, and this is job #16.

Quote:That's why you have the mathematicians and the dweebs in the laboratory and in the office pulling in maybe 120-200K per annum while the socially adept peeps are outsourcing the skillsets of the dweebs, making 500K+.

Could you explain ? I didn't get what you tried to say, and just want to make sure you're not mixing up the risk/reward here, which are taken by salaried employees versus people who run business - which has nothing to do with being social. Bill Gates is definitely not very social, and I'd say he is doing very well - much better than a lot of very social people.

Quote:When a PUA decides to settle down, during his LTR/marriage, he will be more likely able to recognise triggers and manage his woman accordingly.

Regardless of whether a woman has the same personality as you, she is still a woman and is still governed by female hormones, physiology and feminine (or feminist) social programming.

A PUA in an LTR will know what a woman really means, when to just leave it and when to step in.

IMHO this is the wrong concept. I would not enter into LTR with someone I would have to manage. No need for another management job at home.

And this is the typical mistake PUAs make, according to Strauss. They overestimate their abilities to game.
First, nobody can run game 24/7 unless you're a machine.
Second, once the initial excitement wears off, it requires more and more concentration to be on top of the game, and sooner or later he will drop it.
And third, which is the most important - gaming the same chick till the end of your life makes very little sense. No matter how good she looks, you'll get used to them in couple of months, and her looks alone won't carry any value for you.

Quote:It is important for men to realise that it is in our nature to sex a lot of women. Nature doesn't make mistakes. We are designed that way. We are designed to breathe oxygen, eat when hungry, love, cry and sex a lot of women.

Whenever you suppress this nature (going into LTR's on the WRONG premise), you will be at constant war with yourself and it will manifest on your entire relationship.

Note that you can be in LTR and still have sex with a lot of (or a few) women. It is not mutually exclusive, and definitely possible if you choose your LTR partner right.

Quote:The top two reasons why LTR's/marriages fall apart are:
1) Money
2) Sex

Those are not real reasons. A lot of couples go through various difficult financial problems in their life, but stay together. Same with sex. Those reasons you listed are just catalysts, which accelerate breaking the unions of people who are not compatible to each others.

Quote:So think with your head AND your dick. Work with your dick not against it. Don't think that her personality will override physical needs and desires.
Beautiful, intelligent with good genes and a matching personalities. Only settle on your terms.

This would only work if you are more beautiful, more intelligent and have higher value. Meaning, you need to marry down. Only in this case you can settle on your terms. You cannot settle on your terms only with an equal.

Post: #20

(03-24-2011 02:50 PM)Invictus Wrote:  A lot of these posts deal with the discussion from another post about the value of pure game skills vs just relying on being cool in other ways.

What do the guys with +50 notches in here say (assuming the average hotness of the +50s is above 7.0)? Or better yet, what do the guys in here who are having sex with a hot chick every day, be it the same girl or several different, without more than a few days off every year?

I'd like to hear that. What did it take to get THAT good. Did it just happen while they did other cool shit, or did they have to get good at it, the way you get good at speaking a new language or dancing?

I've banged seven girls in six weeks of backpacking. They average at just below 7 - but they're almost all ONS. ONS are only cool if it's a new girl every day, but having sex 10-11 times in 6 weeks is kinda drab.

I say don't get so caught up in the game, just have fun. I think nicer girls you have to knock them of the pedestal and show them you are use to dating girls of a certain calibre.
I say you are too hard on yourself, you got laid on a 6 week trip. I can assure you alot of guys don't have that hit rate, then again for me it is about quality not quantity.
Life is a game, whether it is a job interview or meeting a girl. I am a firm believer on working on you and things will happen.

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Also someone made a comment about World Class Footballer, you would be surprised at alot of these pro players. Yes some of them clean up but alot of them don't!!

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Oldnemesis, what do you make of Roissy's claim that "game is its own status"? This means learning games actually increases your real value, since game is real and has its own value. Game is not just interviewing skills. Game is your internal perception compared to how others view you. With strong game, one becomes more and more immune to the opinions of others, and their actions will have more power in any given social situation.


As for myself, Roissy's sentiments match mine. Game has been the most practical thing I've ever learned. Not only does it get you sex, but game has also:

- Dramatically increased the amount of friends I have
- Scored me a job I picked up at a bar (how many people do this??)
- Allow me to integrate myself socially in virtually any situation

Game is turning me into a social chameleon... and I've really no idea how far the benefits of this will go. I don't understand the idea of how game is "fake value". When people laugh and enjoy spending time with you, it doesn't seem very fake to me.

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(03-25-2011 01:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Oldnemesis, what do you make of Roissy's claim that "game is its own status"? This means learning games actually increases your real value, since game is real and has its own value.

It may be useful to remember that in this topic we're talking about over-obsession with the game, not the game in general. You seem to interpret my posts as "learning game has no real value", which is not what I said or meant. My idea is that once you have some basic game skills, polishing them to perfection will likely not further increase your real value, it will only increase perceived value. And when your perceived value goes up too high, you'll have a major problem keeping the LTRs, considering this is something you want.

Post: #24

(03-24-2011 06:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Yes some of them clean up but alot of them don't!!

But do they want to?

Post: #25

(03-25-2011 04:34 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-25-2011 01:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Oldnemesis, what do you make of Roissy's claim that "game is its own status"? This means learning games actually increases your real value, since game is real and has its own value.

It may be useful to remember that in this topic we're talking about over-obsession with the game, not the game in general. You seem to interpret my posts as "learning game has no real value", which is not what I said or meant. My idea is that once you have some basic game skills, polishing them to perfection will likely not further increase your real value, it will only increase perceived value. And when your perceived value goes up too high, you'll have a major problem keeping the LTRs, considering this is something you want.

So where do you suspect diminishing returns on game is? Judging from some of the older players around here, game gives returns well above the "basic game" level. I have basic game and I'm not even a little satisfied with where I am right now. I know with better game I would be more women and hotter women.