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RE: The Approach Thread
He's my favourite kind of style at this thing. To the point, not a whole load of talking, calm and speaks with obvious intent. It's basically up to the girl to decide whether he's a yes or no and it eliminates bullshit when you find out whether she has a boyfriend or not.

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05-26-2013 03:12 PM
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RE: The Approach Thread
(05-26-2013 02:48 PM)MattC Wrote:  
(05-26-2013 02:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I like going more direct like this. It's more fun

Watching Steve Jabba has really helped me with this. It basically cuts out a lot of the bullshit and saves you from potentially fucking up if they're already interested in you, and you don't go overboard with it.

However, you have to have a solid frame and your inner game to a level where you can pull it off confidently for it to work. When you ask the girl "do you have a boyfriend?" and she says no, game on.

Here's a video I really liked from Jabba, she was practically saying to him "I want you to be my boyfriend".





Notice the way she was walking in one direction before the approach, and after Steve speaks to her she walks the opposite way. Completely disorientated her.

Fuckkkk I need to get my ass out to London. I crave for a place where you can find so many different nationalities.

MattC, you and bojangles up for a weekend of fun sometime soon?
05-26-2013 04:42 PM
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Bojangles is off on a trip next weekend for 3/4 months around Eastern Europe with our lad Jimmy (you can read about it here). You can always go out and meet them somehwere if they're cool with it, which I'm sure they would be, as it'll be better than London. If you want to come to London at some point though, I'm cool with that.

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05-26-2013 07:23 PM
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RE: The Approach Thread
I thought asking the girl if she was single would give her a chance to shut you down with the boyfriend line. Assume that she is single, ask for the number. If no bf, you get the number, otherwise she will bring it up.Still, push hard for the number and if she doesn't give in, wish her a good day and be on your way.

Feel the fear..then do it anyway.
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Have been be on a rampage daygaming and night gaming for the last 2 weeks straight. Of probably 50 or more approaches, there was one I had to share...

As I was leaving the grocery store I noticed a huge booty hottie walking to her car in silver shiny spandex. A great sight to see.

I noticed her Range Rover had a lot of custom mod's, so I opened her asking about the mod's. Up close she was quite beautiful and was extremely friendly. A random lady approached her as we were chatting and said "congrats you are doing a great job"!

I realized that she must be a celebrity, but later she told me that she was Savannah, Lebron Jame's wife. I was pretty shocked and turned off gaming mode and switched to a normal conversation from there. I asked her if she could hook up floor seats, and she said they don't even let her have floor seats.

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My Sunday.

Started out a long day, working on a new project, going to work at my job for 7 hours, getting home, relaxing, crashing in bed.

11pm my buddy's like - "Let's get a quick drink at [nearby bar]"

Got there at 11:45pm or so. By 12:15am we were doing body shots off of two chicks we met. And on that note, body shots are a fantastic transition into making out - just drop the lemon and go in.

More specifically, my buddy had sat down at the bar, was talking to a couple girls. I got there, did a couple walks and talked to a few people, came back. The girl he was talking to - her friend was talking to some dude who was obviously trying, and seemed to be putting some disparaging comments out to me and him, quietly, to the girl. The moment he went away for a bit, I just told her to come over to the bar next to me (like, I double checked her name to get her attention, and then gestured for her to come over next to me - she responded readily). Asked her what she was doing, if she was in college, then we got into a discussion on shots, and took it from there.
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RE: The Approach Thread
3 approaches last 2 days:

I was one my bike and in quite a hurry, but I had to do my 'one approach a day', so I asked a girl what the nearest pet store was. She gave a good reaction, offered to walk me there. I went with it, but didn't pursue because I was at my parents' (I live somewhere else). Good practice.

Two approaches today:
At an electronics store:
ME: hey, they don't seem to have any cases for the Kindle here, can you see em?
HER: Huh what do you mean?
ME: I'm looking for an ereader case, but they don't have mine. What kind of ereader do you have?
HER: Huh? I'm shopping for a laptop cable. She grabbed a cable and turned her back on me, walked away shortly after that.

We were at a wall full of ereader cases, so I figured it would be an OK opener, but too bad she had no clue what those were.

At a busy intersection:
I get off my bike. Walk up to her as if lost (I almost had to run to keep up with her).
ME: excuse me, do you know where the nearest pet shop is?
HER: no, no clue, sorry!

And off she ran.

I'm having trouble hooking for long conversations. I've been doing approaches mainly on the street and some in the library. Clothing shops seems a good alternative, as well as the university. I will post all my approaches in this thread, so the experienced people can offer insights if they wish.

For example the last girl I don't think there was anything I could've done. But the second girl? The first approach actually went best, but I was in a bad position to pursue.

Just approach morre. Pesky finals this week, will go at day and night after that.
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My advice? Talk to them about the stuff you actually want to talk about and tell them why you're talking to them.

But that's just me and I prefer going direct.

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Partial Approaching Pays Off


Perhaps some of you might remember... a while back in this thread I mentioned I am going to aim for establishing a social presence at my gym by using partial approaching.

Turns out it has paid off.

Partial Approach (2 months ago):

About two months ago I opened a girl in the stretching area since I saw her doing yoga poses.

I commented on them and asked her if she practised. Friendly conversation ensued with light banter.

I ended it by saying "well, hopefully see you around"

Second Approach:

Fast forward two months and we happened to be in the exact same area we first me.

Me: "Hey, you are the girl that does yoga right?"
Her: Haha yeah
Me: What is your name again?
Her: Sally
Me: Right I remember because last time you were doing yoga poses in this same area Smile
Her: Haha exactly. What's your name again?
Me: Gandt
Me: How have you been?

Banter back and forth...

I start asking her about what she does for fun and then she asks me.

HAVING DEVELOPED MYSELF AS A RENAISSANCE MAN I HAD A LOT TO OFFER AND TALK ABOUT.

She took a particular interest in this one physical activity I compete in and said she wanted to try it.

We ended by me getting her number and setting a tentative date for me to call her so we can find a time to go to this activity.
05-29-2013 08:37 AM
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RE: The Approach Thread
Did some approaches this weekend. These were the most notable. My intention was to just go up to a girl and open with something like: 'hey, I saw you over there and I thought you looked pretty/beautiful/I noticed your hairstyle.

I went late morning to a crowded area with a lot of tourists. I didn't see too many cute girls walking by themselves. I had to wait almost 30 minutes for a chance.

1

I just blew it completely, I started talking before she could see me, causing her to startle quite a bit. I came way too much from behind her. I said my line anyway, but she just wanted to get away as soon as possible, she didn't even shake my hand.

I just LOL'd and walked away. Imagine trying to catch a fly ball and it hits your head instead. That kind of thing.

2

I didn't see many girls by themselves, and I was getting cold, so I opened two ridiculously hot girls, who turned out to be 16. (legal here, I'm 20 btw).

They were standing in some alcove and were pretty far away. They were holding a tripod. I decided to strike up an imaginary phone conversation (took that from here somewhere), walking out of the crowd to hear the phone better. Cut the conversation short, 'Yeah, see you in 10', hung up and said:

Me: hey, what are you filming?
Them: we're doing a project for school, about the nice and not so nice places of amsterdam.

We talked for a bit, I asked what school they were in. It happened to be the school I was offered a part time teaching job (assistent), so I could talk about it a bit, presumably dropping big value.

After rambling a bit about some subjects in school, I sensed they weren't very interested. Maybe I shouldn't have taken the conversation to school subjects, or I seemed to eager to talk. I decided to walk out, wished them a good day.

How could this have resulted in me getting a date? I can't add people to facebook from my mobile phone, but something like that comes to mind (then set up a date with one of them later). Should upgrade phone anyway.

I mean, they weren't giving big IOI's, but maybe I sold myself short here by stopping too early.

3

Sat on a bench, and a cute girl came sitting on the bench next to my bench. She was wearing very stylish clothes, including a really cool hat. She looked foreign.

I just stood up, walked over to her, said: "hey, nice hat, where did you buy it?
Her: What?
Me: (tipping her hat with my finger), your hat, it's nice. Where did you buy it? I sat next to her.
Her: at the STING, actually. Her body language was very receptive.
Me: oh, you bought it here?
Her: yeah, I've been living here for 9 months.
Me: really, where are you from?
Her: colombia.

We had a very fun, natural conversation of about 15-20 minutes. All smiles. We talked about fashion, travel, hats, not being able to milk a cow or be able to name any trees (both our moms could). She asked me where I lived pretty fast, I said: "across from xyz museum". She said she wanted to explore that part of town badly. She lives a 20 minute commute from where I live.

I wanted to turn it into a 'date', asking her if she'd come along to buy a hat (I actually wanted to buy one for some time). And then enough opportunity to take a drink afterwards. But she was waiting for someone.

We already decided I would show her around Amsterdam soon, so I just shook her hand and left.

There's a solid number. We made a real good connection.

Will keep updating, thanks for all the tips so far.
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I just blew it completely, I started talking before she could see me, causing her to startle quite a bit. I came way too much from behind her. I said my line anyway, but she just wanted to get away as soon as possible, she didn't even shake my hand.

I just LOL'd and walked away. Imagine trying to catch a fly ball and it hits your head instead. That kind of thing.

Haha, happens man. Let it go. The whole running up to a girl from behind is garbage if you ask me.

If you can prevent it, just follow her for a bit until you have a better opportunity to engage her (ie. wait till you come to a cross walk, or she goes into a store). We have spoken about this already.

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I didn't see many girls by themselves, and I was getting cold, so I opened two ridiculously hot girls, who turned out to be 16. (legal here, I'm 20 btw).

They were standing in some alcove and were pretty far away. They were holding a tripod. I decided to strike up an imaginary phone conversation (took that from here somewhere), walking out of the crowd to hear the phone better. Cut the conversation short, 'Yeah, see you in 10', hung up and said:

Me: hey, what are you filming?
Them: we're doing a project for school, about the nice and not so nice places of amsterdam.

We talked for a bit, I asked what school they were in. It happened to be the school I was offered a part time teaching job (assistent), so I could talk about it a bit, presumably dropping big value.

After rambling a bit about some subjects in school, I sensed they weren't very interested. Maybe I shouldn't have taken the conversation to school subjects, or I seemed to eager to talk. I decided to walk out, wished them a good day.

How could this have resulted in me getting a date? I can't add people to facebook from my mobile phone, but something like that comes to mind (then set up a date with one of them later). Should upgrade phone anyway.

I mean, they weren't giving big IOI's, but maybe I sold myself short here by stopping too early.

Yes, great opener. You got that from one of my earlier posts.

I think you could have had a lot more fun with this since they were filming something. I think transitioning to the topic of school was a horrible choice. Get out of your academic mindset Wink

These are two 16 year old, european girls. School is the last thing they are interested in. They are at the age where they start partying, drinking, fucking.

Quickly, here is how it could have gone down...

"hey girls, what are you filming?"

just a project for school showing....

"sounds boring... two cute girls like yourself should be getting ready to go out partying tonight"

Oh, but we are only 16...

You then transition to:
- "when i was your age we had these things called fake id's"
- "so you mean to tell me both of you dont drink? bullshit! you both look like huge party girls.. Except for you (to the one you like) you kind of look like a nerd Wink"
- "yeah but now that you are almost done school for the summer you must have tons of house parties lined up Smile"
- "the clubs suck anyway, i actually prefer having parties at my apartment (IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY) and playing drinking games" (say it as if you do this all the time).

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Your last one was fantastic. great situational openers man. you really took mine and gio's advice and implemented it. Notice how the situational aspect leads directly into an organic conversation. Well done.

Keep it up. Have fun. And smile.
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I had an approach today at the supermarket.
I was at the meat section and a girl stood next to me. She was probably around 25 and quite good looking.
I was fucking well dressed and felt confident as fuck after not fapping for 5 days so I talked to her.

When I started talking she wasn't even aware of my presence I think.

Me: Do you like sausages?
Her: I'm sorry, what?
Me: Sausages, you like them?
Her: Sure, I guess, why?
Me: Well I'm in the market for some new sausages and I could need some advice. And then I saw you and you look like you know a thing or two about sausages.
Her: Oh, eeh, well I like these(pointing to sausages)
Me: Blabla about sausages. So, sausage expert, what is your name?
Her: Sandra
Me: Nice to meet you Sandra(hand shaking). You live around here?
Her: Blablabla
Her: Well I gotta go now, I am meeting up with a friend
Me: Ok I'll let you be on your way. Your sausage advice was mucho apreciado


I guess the sausage thing was a bit too ambiguous and I had to try real hard not to laugh.
Don't think I could've gotten the #

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(06-03-2013 06:20 PM)little wing Wrote:  I was fucking well dressed and felt confident as fuck

(06-03-2013 06:20 PM)little wing Wrote:  Don't think I could've gotten the #

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't bail on something that obviously isn't working, but it didn't really sound that bad and you started with such high confidence and then it just kind of petered out [no pun intended].

You gotta think about the possibility that she was just thrown off by being opened by a well dressed confident dude in the grocery store. If you'd continued you should've had a chance.

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(06-03-2013 06:20 PM)little wing Wrote:  Don't think I could've gotten the #

Even if you don't think you could, not asking means you definitely won't.

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Hey guys, I just started the 1-a-day yesterday and I had a great one. I was hanging with a friend all night in places with no women to approach. On the train ride home I was pissed, but I saw this girl walk on the train with a guy and another girl, but she was standing apart from them and right next to me. Her finger was bandaged with this shiny bandaid, so I looked at her and said "did you wrap your finger in packing tape?" It worked, she laughed and said something like "sometimes you gotta use what you have," and I said "maybe next time you'll try some super glue."

After that I pulled the thread of where are you coming from, and we were talking about the bars in the area. Her comment about the number of beers at the place allowed me to throw in a comment on my recent trip to Vegas where I saw a place like that. She got off after 2 stops though, and the guy she walked onto the train with was her boyfriend. The other girl got off the next stop, so I didn't even have time to open her.

I'm horrible with this stuff, so overall I'm pretty happy about the experience.
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First, some background.
3 months ago I was in a tourist town in Mexico, popped into a hostel and chatted up the front desk girl. She's an American spending a few months there and works at the hostel in exchange for accommodation. Got her number, never called. Left town and now I'm back.

Ran into her almost in front of the hostel (that might have looked strange), stopped her by saying her name. She's skipping town in two weeks. I tell her I left for a while so I never called her. Short chat about her work and ask her about beach destinations she had mentioned beforehand, since I'm thinking about going for a few days.
I ask her if she's been going out, she asks me back and I mention work keeps me from going out much. Tell her we should hang out sometime when she has no work (she mentioned being pretty busy wrapping up a project), but also add my schedule might have a larger involvement in us being able to meet. Ask for her number (even though I already had it), she starts dictation and I hand her my phone instead, punches number in. A bit more chit chat and she says I should text her.

I'll probably text her and try to arrange a meet for this weekend. Good thing is she's leaving so if she flakes, I can still go to the hostel for some more.

What's your take on this guys? As I mentioned on another thread, I'm just a game beginner, and have relied on my looks for picking up.
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Dick pic her.

Just kidding, not quite yet.

You got 2 weeks. What's her big project she has to wrap up? She works at a hostel, it is a job anyone can do with little to no responsibility, that's why people do it. I think that isn't the best sign.

If you text and she is down to drink with you alone(surprise, surprise) she is probably DTF if you keep cool.

If she plays games over text she just wants you for attention and the tease or to get back for you not calling her when you first got her number to up her self esteem.

The type of chick that works at a hostel in Mexico to get away from rules and responsibility should be an easy target if she isn't a flake. Try to make her see you strolling through the hostel hanging out with another girl Banana

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I was at the airport, tired as fuck, didn't feel like approaching anyone, then saw 2 cute girls (8/7) that looked foreigners who sat at the row behind me. Suddenly I want to go to the bathroom, I sit in front of them when i come back.

Me: Com licença, vocês são gringas? (Portuguese for "excuse me, are you gringas?")
girls: Gringas, yeah *both giggle*
me: You girls so look like foreigners who live miles away from here (feeling slightly uncomfortable by gaming in English, not Portuguese)
girls: yeah, people say that here.
me: let me guess, you come from Sweden.
cutest girl: no, Ireland. Are you going to XXX?
me: yeah, I live there.
girl: oh cool, we are going there now too, we have a tour in the pantanal. blah blah blah

conversation goes for 15 minutes then the other girl leaves to buy a sandwich. The flight gate changes and then we go look for the other girl. The cutest girl asks a lot of personal questions, good thing.

girl: listen, we are visiting the pantanal for 2 days, we're going to a tour there. We are still going to stay in XXX (mycity) on Thursday before we go back to Ireland, we should hang out and you can show us the city.
me: i'd like to do that, I am a good tour guide.
girl: what's your facebook?
me: beltoforion (i don't usually add girls I want to fuck on facebook, but for them that's the best way to contact while abroad)
me: oh, flight now boarding, see you at the airport.
girls: see ya.

At the other airport:

me: hey I have my car here do you guys need a ride or something?
girls: thanks but our van is here already waiting for us.
me: good, see you then
girl: see you on Thursday, i'll message you. bye.

They seemed enthusiastic during the whole interaction. If not flaking, I'll show them a country pub and play the sertanejo dance game to hook up the cutest and then invite them back to my place for some more drinks. I'd need a good wingman for the girl's friend, but I don't have any good one. We'll see what happens.
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I chatted to a girl on the train yesterday but didnt get her number. She has a boyfriend and wouldn't give me it but ah well. I'd just had a job interview and my state was high.

She was sitting in front of me, here's a picture I took before I opened her. I'd give her a 7.

   

Me: Hey

She looks up confused

Me: what's so interesting in your bag?

Girl: oh, (laughing) nothing I'm just using my phone

She shows me it.

Me: that's a pretty unique way of using it

Girl: yeah I thought I may as well

Me: are you looking at naughty things on the Internet?

Girl: nooo! (Laughing)

Me: I was gonna ask you if you were French because you have a French look to you

Girl: no I'm part German though

Me: liar! You have brown hair and brown eyes

Girl: haha everyone says that! (Great...)

Me: I see. Anyway I'm Matt

Girl: I'm...uh...I have a boyfriend, sorry

Me: no that's cool, he doesn't need to know I'm hitting on you does he?

Girl: Erm...

Me: dont worry, get back to your porn you pervert

Girl: okay...

I smiled at her and she went back to her phone, before looking up.

Girl: thanks though

Me: alright


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That girl is really cute, Id say at least an 8 but I have a thing for french looking girls. Those pants look ridiculous though. "Whats with the nice shirts and jungle pants combination? I would need a machete to take those off of you"

Do you think you jumped the gun on the name introduction right after you said something that a lot of guys say to her?

Ive stopped giving my name in the middle of the conversation if I am going indirect because that is basically saying "I am hitting on you" which girls instantly pick up on. Usually I give my name just before I number close or even after I get the number I will smile and ask her "whats my name by the way?".

If I go direct I will introduce myself right away if her reaction is warm since Ive already made a comment or 2 that lets her know what my intentions are. If the girls give her name back to me I probably have close to a 95% number close rate.
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06-06-2013 09:20 PM
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You just happened to run into a pretty cold and boring girl basically. No big deal. I don't think she's attractive but that's just my personal taste.
06-07-2013 02:48 AM
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(06-06-2013 09:20 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  That girl is really cute, Id say at least an 8 but I have a thing for french looking girls. Those pants look ridiculous though. "Whats with the nice shirts and jungle pants combination? I would need a machete to take those off of you"

Yeah, what the hell is up with those pants, I think they are called harem pants btw. Ugly as fuck. 1/10 girls here is wearing this right now, and that's a careful estimate.
06-07-2013 07:30 AM
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(06-06-2013 09:20 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  That girl is really cute, Id say at least an 8 but I have a thing for french looking girls. Those pants look ridiculous though. "Whats with the nice shirts and jungle pants combination? I would need a machete to take those off of you"

Do you think you jumped the gun on the name introduction right after you said something that a lot of guys say to her?

Ive stopped giving my name in the middle of the conversation if I am going indirect because that is basically saying "I am hitting on you" which girls instantly pick up on. Usually I give my name just before I number close or even after I get the number I will smile and ask her "whats my name by the way?".

If I go direct I will introduce myself right away if her reaction is warm since Ive already made a comment or 2 that lets her know what my intentions are. If the girls give her name back to me I probably have close to a 95% number close rate.

Maybe, yeah. Although she was laughing and I wasn't overly arsed about the interaction, I may not have read it right when I said it. We were both seated opposite each other so it wasnt exactly ideal.

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(04-21-2013 11:52 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  Kind of got caught off guard because I phoned her 30 minutes after the 2nd text and I had woke her up.

A likely story. She was masturbating again.

I never understand when guys parrot what a chick says as if they ever tell the truth.

YOU: You sound sleepy.

HER: I was sleeping.

YOU Have any good dreams.

Her: No / I don't remember

You: You're in bed now?

Her: Yes
You: Oh.....what are you wearing

( Her mind after you got her number": "Wow a guy actaully went after me and wasn't completely homeless, fat or old... I bet I can get laid soon!!)

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(06-06-2013 04:06 PM)MattC Wrote:  I chatted to a girl on the train yesterday but didnt get her number. She has a boyfriend and wouldn't give me it but ah well. I'd just had a job interview and my state was high.

She was sitting in front of me, here's a picture I took before I opened her. I'd give her a 7.

Perfect skin and really nice mouth. Believe me after you're 50, she's a 9.

Respect for opening her on a train. i always find that really uncomfortable.
By any chance did she make eye contact before you spoke to her? I'm deep in to keyboard jockey research on eye contact.
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