Post: #126

So it seems I also belong to the group of the "white knights" in this forum.

From what I recall I think I never slapped a girl in my life... If she is my girlfriend or I am seeing her, you can be sure about two things: she is not stronger than me (I don't like to date bodybuilding girls) and I like her company (more or less, depends on other factors, but at least I find her presence enjoyable). So if she gets really pissed with me and tries to hit me (usually the go for the slap, though a Russian has threw a glass of water one time), it is always sufficient to scream at her and/or hold her hands together. I will not be in the mood for hitting in the face someone that I like, specially if she's a girl...

I can even imagine that this approach can be quite profitable in terms of keeping some types of girls obedient (othesr will just run away and never see you again). In Portugal there are around 50 murders of women per year which are caused by their husbands, so I can only imagine how many women are being slapped, etc on a weekly or daily basis, and the relation goes on. The fact remains, however, that that's just not an ethical attitude, and it's not the way a man should deal with such situations.

This being said, I don't exclude that if a stupid bitch in a club starts hitting me hard I don't fight back and slap her. But she must be really hitting hard, otherwise I just move away and avoid to spoil my party.

Post: #127

Generally women want to be dominated. Physicality is a big part of this, but so is emotional/mental dominance.

Different women want different levels of dominance, but nearly all of them crave dominance.

The definition of physical violence is personal. Most people agree on the clear cut violence, but something like a slap, a grab, a hold down, and a shove can have some pretty wide gray areas where people will not agree.

You don't have to be a girl's daddy, but a strong, masculine frame is important. Checking a girl's hysterical behaviour can be as simple as a specific look you give her, taking away your attention (leaving/ignoring her), or having strong words with her. However, on the other end of the spectrum it can absolutely involve grabbing her, holding her down, or slapping her.

As an example of something in between that people all over the world do (even in "western society") is the ass slap. Within a couple who is dating , if the woman is sarcastic towards the man or is a little out of line, a moderate slap to the ass is usually enough to check her.

I do that all the time. I also lightly slap girl's in the face when I'm having sex with them and they love it. Most women love to be physically dominated in the relationship, be it during sex or during times when she is getting very emotional/hysterical. Your mileage will vary, but just like anything else involving pursuing women, calibration is KEY.

Post: #128

(05-13-2013 06:48 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Generally women want to be dominated. Physicality is a big part of this, but so is emotional/mental dominance.

Different women want different levels of dominance, but nearly all of them crave dominance.

The definition of physical violence is personal. Most people agree on the clear cut violence, but something like a slap, a grab, a hold down, and a shove can have some pretty wide gray areas where people will not agree.

You don't have to be a girl's daddy, but a strong, masculine frame is important. Checking a girl's hysterical behaviour can be as simple as a specific look you give her, taking away your attention (leaving/ignoring her), or having strong words with her. However, on the other end of the spectrum it can absolutely involve grabbing her, holding her down, or slapping her.

As an example of something in between that people all over the world do (even in "western society") is the ass slap. Within a couple who is dating , if the woman is sarcastic towards the man or is a little out of line, a moderate slap to the ass is usually enough to check her.

I do that all the time. I also lightly slap girl's in the face when I'm having sex with them and they love it. Most women love to be physically dominated in the relationship, be it during sex or during times when she is getting very emotional/hysterical. Your mileage will vary, but just like anything else involving pursuing women, calibration is KEY.

I agree with everything you wrote. I just think a slap in the face is beyond what I find reasonable. Though I appreciate there are differences between cultures, etc. Slapping her when banging her can actually be an exception, there are many girls who loved this - and again, this depends on the culture, most Portuguese girls don't find this idea so cool whereas it is usually well received among slavic girls.

Post: #129

@xsplat, thanks for your patient comments.

I've never had to hit a woman to assert dominance. I'm a tall, imposing Ukrainian dude so throwing her on the bed, or a pissed off look or spanking has worked well for me.

But then there are other times when I think I may have ceded my power to a woman and the polarity fizzled out noticeably...

So I'm open to the idea that in a certain situation, if you bring all your awareness to it, a show of light violence may be merited and mutually beneficial.

I'm not going to say it's right or wrong. There's not such a thing.

Morality is every society's tool for subjugating masses of people and making them into good slaves. Slaves who are exonerated of the responsibility of actually bringing their awareness and watchfulness to a situation and treating it with the uniqueness it deserves.

But existence only provides unique moments and in a certain instance, a reassertion of the male female dynamic with a surgical injection of violence may indeed be mutually beneficial.

As far as I can tell, @xsplat's view is derived scientifically, empirically, existentially. Whereas anybody who hasn't ever slapped a woman can only talk about the issue from one side, and only from a theoretical (i.e. non-experienced) perspective.

I would like to hear some more data from guys who have meted out light violence and the effects it had.

Even though I recoil at some of the stuff I sometimes read on this forum, I think it takes a lot of balls to discuss taboo issues with clarity and objectivity and awareness. So bravo to everybody for throwing in their 2 cents and thanks to Roosh for providing a place where guys can talk about real life shit without having to censor yourself.

Post: #130

(05-13-2013 09:06 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  In Portugal there are around 50 murders of women per year which are caused by their husbands, so I can only imagine how many women are being slapped, etc on a weekly or daily basis, and the relation goes on.

Russian Interior Ministry estimates (seconded by WHO, Amnesty International and ONGs) say that a total of 14,000 women die annually from domestic violence in Russia, which makes about one every 40 minutes. Same estimates say that about 600,000 are victims of domestic abuse every year (and this is only the reported cases, I guess that in reality you can x 10 this number). It's no wonder that foreigners are successful in FSU.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-new...n-the-rise

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21474931

I find that ANY kind of violence towards a woman is a very ugly behavior.

As a side note, according WHO, Brasil is in the Top 10 (7th place) of the countries with the highest rates of violence towards women (which includes murder, sexual assault, violence in intimate relationships, and other violations of women's bodies and psyches). When you scratch a bit the surface, you realise that Brasil is not the carefree paradise filled with nice people that some daydreamers promote.

Post: #131

Anyone who has never had to check a woman before in a physical manner, has never dated a latina long enough.

I don't advocate hitting women but when u have a petite drunk latina approaching you with an American Psycho knife, your white knight attitude goes out the window and survival instincts kick in.

One quick backhand, she hit the deck and I walked out. Stayed at another chick's pad that night, returned (we lived together), and she was as docile as a dog with a shock collar who had a healthy dose of valium.

I'll go out on a limb now and once again reiterate that 'back in the days' of the Rat Pack, the Clint Eastwoods and Steve McQueens, to slap a woman was tolerated and accepted and the Western world as we know it was harmonious and happy.

Women have to be kept in line, and violence should be last resort, but don't talk of 'never hitting a woman', until you've experienced it.

As far as slapping during sex, I've had around 95% positive results from light slapping. There was one particular smoking hot girl who started crying and ended the sexathon for a couple
moments. Turned out she had almost been raped a year before in a parking lot and that triggered it. Understandable.

Post: #132

(05-16-2013 05:55 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  Anyone who has never had to check a woman before in a physical manner, has never dated a latina long enough. Don't talk of 'never hitting a woman', until you've experienced it.

Don't know if you answered to the remark in my post about the "ugly behavior", but FYI I have been married to an argentinian girl (portena), who would never have been aggressive for the simple reason that she was to well-mannered.

Your knife story is cute, but personally I think that a guy who experience such experience with his girl only get what he deserves - he should have been wiser and date a stable and well-educated girl instead of a disturbed favelada.

Post: #133

(05-16-2013 06:13 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:55 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  Anyone who has never had to check a woman before in a physical manner, has never dated a latina long enough. Don't talk of 'never hitting a woman', until you've experienced it.

Don't know if you answered to the remark in my post about the "ugly behavior", but FYI I have been married to an argentinian girl (portena), who would never have been aggressive for the simple reason that she was to well-mannered.

Your knife story is cute, but personally I think that a guy who experience such experience with his girl only get what he deserves - he should have been wiser and date a stable and well-educated girl instead of a disturbed favelada.

Point made. However, are we all-knowing and wise at 22yo? It takes years of experience of screening women, to get an idea of who would be aggressive and who wouldn't.

This particular latina had never shown signs of aggression, was as feminine, classy and well-behaved as you could ask for, but yet still came unhinged.

Post: #134

(05-16-2013 06:13 AM)Prosal Wrote:  Don't know if you answered to the remark in my post about the "ugly behavior", but FYI I have been married to an argentinian girl (portena), who would never have been aggressive for the simple reason that she was to well-mannered.

Does that mean you are still married or that you were married?

Post: #135

(05-16-2013 07:02 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:13 AM)Prosal Wrote:  Don't know if you answered to the remark in my post about the "ugly behavior", but FYI I have been married to an argentinian girl (portena), who would never have been aggressive for the simple reason that she was to well-mannered.

Does that mean you are still married or that you were married?

I don't control english language subtilities, but isn't it the same ? both tell about the past, with maybe the difference that "I have been" tells about the past but shows that the past event has importance in the present .... anyway ... I am not married anymore of course.

Anyway thanks for your interest for my modest private life.

Post: #136

Prosal out of interest how come you went from South American women onto Russians? What was the story and how do they compare?

Post: #137

(05-16-2013 12:07 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Prosal out of interest how come you went from South American women onto Russians? What was the story and how do they compare?

Maybe you missed this post ? ...it's part of the answer ....they also have very very different psyches ...I find brasileiras more sneaky and conniving, and less likely to follow the passion of the moment. Among other things.

That said, as usual YMMV.

(05-11-2013 02:31 AM)Prosal Wrote:  I've personally wrote off Brasil not only because of the outrageously expensive cost of life, but also because I find that scoring top level girls is really not easy. And it's a decent-looking guy who has travelled extensively throughout the country during ten years, who speaks decent portugese, with brasilian culture knowledge, ect who talks. Last time I spent an extensive period in Brasil, it was in Goiania, and in three weeks I scored only two girls. Two months later I went to Moldova and scored seven girls in two weeks and something, ALL of a level that I had rarely done in Brasil.

Brasileiras have very little esteem and interest for sex-hungry tourists. There is an underlying distrust of gringos among them and in many cases it's dislike, and even hate. On the other hand they have a very high opinion of their fellow countrymen.They are suckers about their own culture. Practically fanatical. They date guys of their peer group, sharing their culture, common interests, ect. Gringos are completely out of this loop. And if she is attractive (7,5 +), any brasilian girl has permanently dozens of horny, athletic, good-looking, confident, charming and sometimes ridiculously wealthy brasilian guys at her feet begging to please her. No reason for her to fuck a "never to be seen again after his three weeks vacation are over" foreigner. Also most mid-to upper class girls may not want to be seen making out or holding hands with a gringo ....they may see this as a loss of status if the local guys start considering her a piranha who fucks foreigners. This is especially true for Rio where carioca upper-class girls are very very cliquey and for who a sex-hungry gringo is more or less at the same level than a cockroach.

This is the huge difference with FSU where devuski, and especially the most learned and worldly, jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking foreigner. Contrarily to brasileiras, fucking their fellow countrymen is a chore FSU dyevs have to do, not something they particularly enjoy. Furthermore, I find brasileiras on the whole rather average in bed (the non-pros, pros are undoubtedly the more skilled putas on earth lol), contrarily to russians who are for most of them into wild, passionate, rough, 1000 mph no holds barred sex.

Also the legend of the sexually unhinibited, wild and carefree brasileira is totally overated IMO. The great majority of brasilian women are contrarily rather conservative. Currently about 25% of the population is part of the born again xtian evangelist community (from a 2007 survey), and Brasil is turning into the largest evangelist country in the world. Those people live exactly as their preachers tell them to, that is in a fairly conservative way.

Last but not least, there is admittedly ridiculously hot girls in Brasil, but the roads are not paved with them. Far from that. According WHO, some 22% of the adult female population in Brasil suffered from obesity in 2008. I've read somewhere that it had increased to almost 30% since then. A study reported that the city with the highest obesity index is Rio, with alarming numbers among the 15/20 yo population. Furthermore, goverment says that almost half of Brasilians are now overweight. In the next 10 years, this will rise to 60%. The myth of the paradise filled with slender beauties in bikini is harshly gashed. The truth is that the ratio of truly good-looking girls is rather low, and actually straight out bad in Amazonas, in Para or in Nordeste. As a side note, Recife and Manaus are the places where I have seen the more fugly girls in my life.

http://www.who.int/gho/countries/bra.pdf

That said, Brasil has its benefits.

Post: #138

(05-16-2013 02:57 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 09:06 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  In Portugal there are around 50 murders of women per year which are caused by their husbands, so I can only imagine how many women are being slapped, etc on a weekly or daily basis, and the relation goes on.

I find that ANY kind of violence towards a woman is a very ugly behavior.

Except perhaps Sean Connery style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRTg419BNnU

Post: #139

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Except perhaps Sean Connery style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRTg419BNnU
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If you really have to do it, then do it with style... Some inspiration here:

James Bond Hitting Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWfObq2cFk

Post: #140

(05-16-2013 05:55 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  I don't advocate hitting women but when u have a petite drunk latina approaching you with an American Psycho knife, your white knight attitude goes out the window and survival instincts kick in.

I've avoided posting on this thread again since I think what needed to be said has been said, and continuing to argue about this would be beating a dead horse, but it's already been made clear that this thread isn't about cases of self defense. No one is arguing that you should just stand there and do nothing if a woman trries to hit you or comes at you with a knife. No objections to slapping a girl during sex on my part, either.

Post: #141

Believe it or not, women were made to be hit. Passing shit-tests and subtly escalating is a modern thing, they were designed to be raped and pillaged.

A man's primal form of dominance has always been violence. Women respond extraordinarily well to it. The sweeter and more fragile-looking the girl, the better she responds to violence.

Hitting a girl will get you negative emotions in the immediate moment, but in the long run it is the key to getting a girl to fall in love with you. Very powerful tool, which I would advise using if you are in a country where the law won't do much to you. It doesn't have to be serious, but push her around a bit on the first date, maybe smack her a bit too hard during sex, or during a fight pin her against the wall and tell her to shut up. It is not a fist to the face.

Sounds crazy, sure, but you won't see the power of it until you try it. Forget the feminist indoctrination of not hitting women, if you can get away with it legally, it is a tool you'd be stupid not to use it.

Post: #142

Establish that she likes being handled rough during flirting and sex, first by pulling her around and lightly slapping her, then escalating to punching and strangling and joint locks if she likes the light stuff you started out with.

If she ends up liking the harder forms of rough treatment work them into your day to day private interactions.

That's the only context where I've hit a woman. I would never escalate straight from a verbal argument to a strike with a woman I'm just getting to know. It has to be a relationship and there has to be a sense that me being a violent man is the way things should be.

In theory I'd also fight back against a belligerent woman who is swinging on me but I've never experienced that in real life.

Post: #143

(10-31-2014 01:56 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  Believe it or not, women were made to be hit. Passing shit-tests and subtly escalating is a modern thing, they were designed to be raped and pillaged.

A man's primal form of dominance has always been violence. Women respond extraordinarily well to it. The sweeter and more fragile-looking the girl, the better she responds to violence.

Hitting a girl will get you negative emotions in the immediate moment, but in the long run it is the key to getting a girl to fall in love with you. Very powerful tool, which I would advise using if you are in a country where the law won't do much to you. It doesn't have to be serious, but push her around a bit on the first date, maybe smack her a bit too hard during sex, or during a fight pin her against the wall and tell her to shut up. It is not a fist to the face.

Sounds crazy, sure, but you won't see the power of it until you try it. Forget the feminist indoctrination of not hitting women, if you can get away with it legally, it is a tool you'd be stupid not to use it.

It's post like this, that are the reason people think forum members are messed up.

Are you really advocating...that we beat our women to make them like us?
Hitting them on first dates? Etc?
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That has nothing to do with feminist indoctrination.
Let someone hit your mother or sister... are you gonna sit back and say...it's ok.. women are made to be hit?

Post: #144

(10-31-2014 01:56 AM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  Believe it or not, women were made to be hit. Passing shit-tests and subtly escalating is a modern thing, they were designed to be raped and pillaged.

A man's primal form of dominance has always been violence. Women respond extraordinarily well to it. The sweeter and more fragile-looking the girl, the better she responds to violence.

Hitting a girl will get you negative emotions in the immediate moment, but in the long run it is the key to getting a girl to fall in love with you. Very powerful tool, which I would advise using if you are in a country where the law won't do much to you. It doesn't have to be serious, but push her around a bit on the first date, maybe smack her a bit too hard during sex, or during a fight pin her against the wall and tell her to shut up. It is not a fist to the face.

Sounds crazy, sure, but you won't see the power of it until you try it. Forget the feminist indoctrination of not hitting women, if you can get away with it legally, it is a tool you'd be stupid not to use it.

Post: #145

It is fucked up only if you look at it from a socially-conditioned mindset.

Zoom out, and leave the preconceptions aside for a minute. I used to read about all of these attractive girls in the West spending long periods of time clinging to men who abused them, both physically and emotionally. Women who kept returning to men who beat them up because they just couldn't bring themselves to "not love him". I decided to try it out for myself, in Bulgaria at the time, very lightly. I would get a bit too violent, at first during sex to provide a bit of context. No problem, the girls would take it. Then outside of sex, maybe push her a bit too hard, I saw no significant negative reactions. Then a little bit more, in a fight with a girl I was seeing I slapped her face as hard as I could. She cried and didn't contact me for a week. Then she calmed down, we kept seeing each other, but there was a big shift in her attitude. Her submission was absolute, like a little girl towards her father. She fell in love with me completely.

There was another girl I experimented with in Russia. I went out with her for about two months. There were very positive emotions, I made an emphasis on this, a big focus on connection, childish playfulness, warmth, things she will remember very positively. But there were also some extremely negative emotions. Several times I purposely humiliated her in public, I hit her twice throughout the whole two months, the sex was all about extreme submission, one time when she had concerns about the relationship I made fun of her and mocked her, asking if she was going to cry, and I said several things that would be considered disgusting to your average human being. Others are examples as simple as denying her a relationship when she deeply wants one, or reminiscing over a past love that you loved more than you will ever love her. But I must emphasize all of this was in a huge minority, most of it was extremely positive, it was that extreme push-pull of highest highs and lowest lows. After the two months, after our goodbyes had been said and I was in the airport ready to leave, she texted me "You are one of really few people I enjoyed being with so much. Thank you for brightening up my life." All of that demeaning behaviour actually worked in my favour.

The power of it doesn't lie in bedding the girl, it lies in obtaining a complete submission of her soul and mind, a full soul-collection. It is the stuff alpha widows are made of, true alpha widows, the kind that cover themselves up in tattoos and become druggies to soothe the pain over a lost lover.

Being raised in feminist societies, I expect most to have preconceptions. Fact is, it works. Whether you decide to use it or not is up to you. The morality of it is irrelevant, each man will have his limit as to what he is comfortable with. But those girls keep going back to the guys who beat them for a reason. It is the ultimate expression of male domination / female submission. Her hindbrain must believe that you are a man who can protect her against all threats of nature, in primitive times, the alpha male was the one who forced submission onto a woman through violence and rape. That is where rape fantasies come from, same as the female love of violent and aggressive men. A woman cannot truly love you unless she is somewhat scared of you, unless she respects you on a deep primal level.

Post: #146

Somewhat off topic since this isn't game related, but has anyone here hit a woman in defense?

I would never intentionally punch a petite girl, but I must confess that I right-hooked a BIG fatty in the face once and I don't even remember doing it because she had just landed a good hit in my face. It was like 8 years ago - she was some random drunk fat bitch talking shit to me at a pizza place late at night. I was around 180 lbs at the time solid build; I wouldn't be surprised if this bitch outweighed me - she was big and tall, with a ton of fat. I told her to shut the fuck up. That obviously didn't work, so I pointed at her fat rolls sticking out of her shirt over her jeans and started laughing. Bad move. She punched me in the face out of nowhere. Caught me totally off guard and it was a GOOD hit, I have to give the fatty credit. I don't even remember getting hit - after laughing/pointing, the next thing I remember my friends were helping me walk out of the bar (and holding back the fatty who was going apeshit at this point). As I was walking out a gigantic glass beer mug comes flying past my head at 100mph and exploded on the wall inches from my face, I got glass shrapnel in the side of my head. If it had hit me in the head it would have knocked me out for sure, if not killed me. It was only after we got back to the apartment my friends told me that I had right hooked her after she had hit me - again, no memory of the punch I gave her.

The worst part is apparently my hit wasn't as good as hers because she was able to put up a good fight on both my friends after and chuck that glass mug, whereas I was pretty dazed.

Call me whatever you want, but even if I had not temporarily lost consciousness I wouldn't have done anything different except run the fuck out of there after hitting her. Fat beasts don't get the protection applied in this "never hit a woman rule" as they are not women. The bitch was big and strong and posed a physical threat to me - that I obviously underestimated! You hit me in the face hard, I'm going to hit back on pure instinct no matter what you are - man, woman, girl, tranny, nun, whatever.

Post: #147

(10-31-2014 11:29 AM)poledaddy Wrote:  Somewhat off topic since this isn't game related, but has anyone here hit a woman in defense?

I would never intentionally punch a petite girl, but I must confess that I right-hooked a BIG fatty in the face once and I don't even remember doing it because she had just landed a good hit in my face. It was like 8 years ago - she was some random drunk fat bitch talking shit to me at a pizza place late at night. I was around 180 lbs at the time solid build; I wouldn't be surprised if this bitch outweighed me - she was big and tall, with a ton of fat. I told her to shut the fuck up. That obviously didn't work, so I pointed at her fat rolls sticking out of her shirt over her jeans and started laughing. Bad move. She punched me in the face out of nowhere. Caught me totally off guard and it was a GOOD hit, I have to give the fatty credit. I don't even remember getting hit - after laughing/pointing, the next thing I remember my friends were helping me walk out of the bar (and holding back the fatty who was going apeshit at this point). As I was walking out a gigantic glass beer mug comes flying past my head at 100mph and exploded on the wall inches from my face, I got glass shrapnel in the side of my head. If it had hit me in the head it would have knocked me out for sure, if not killed me. It was only after we got back to the apartment my friends told me that I had right hooked her after she had hit me - again, no memory of the punch I gave her.

The worst part is apparently my hit wasn't as good as hers because she was able to put up a good fight on both my friends after and chuck that glass mug, whereas I was pretty dazed.

Call me whatever you want, but even if I had not temporarily lost consciousness I wouldn't have done anything different except run the fuck out of there after hitting her. Fat beasts don't get the protection applied in this "never hit a woman rule" as they are not women. The bitch was big and strong and posed a physical threat to me - that I obviously underestimated! You hit me in the face hard, I'm going to hit back on pure instinct no matter what you are - man, woman, girl, tranny, nun, whatever.

To be honest with all the fatties out there now in the Anglosphere I'd venture to guess that many women are now actually bigger than their boyfriends and husbands. So the frame of discussion needs to switch from 'man versus woman' to who the bigger party is I think (at a minimum). Historically men have of course had more muscle mass and been the stronger but as men become more feminine and women more masculine the lines are getting blurred (not that our ridiculous mainstream press would ever take note of that - those evil bastards frame it up like every dude is Ray Rice hitting his defenseless girl).

I'm sure Lindy West could beat up your average 150 pound weakling guy given how huge she is (sorry had to throw that in).

The mental abuse that women are so good also needs to be looked at too - they also get a free pass there. Women can be very, very cruel.

Post: #148

7 day ban for Tajikistan. The forum does not condone violent against women.