Post: #1

It’s long been known that men commonly get erections when their young infants are placed on their chests. I’ve experienced this myself with my male baby many years back. The erection is not a sign of miswiring in the brain, it is a sign that paternal love and eroticism mesh. The erection does not happen along with innapropriate sexual thoughts – there are no sexual thoughts – it’s just a surprise spontaneous woody that correlates with the feeling of paternal love.

And so from the point of view of mens subjective experience, there is a lot of value to opening to the feeling of paternal love. It greatly heightens eroticism, subjectively, for the man, and leads to greater depth of emotion and greater passion.

Now I know that some women headed people will have a difficult time separating out fantasy from reality, and will get the squickies imagining ACTUAL incest. The fact that our brain is actually in real concrete life wired to mesh together paternal love and eroticism is not a hate fact, nor is that fact related to fucking your biological daughter. It’s a psychological fact of our hard wiring, that the natural paternal love we feel for women who were picked by evolution through chosing for neotenous features to bring about this feeling of paternal erotic care in us, that this Daddy/Daughter sexual dynamic is there to help you successfully mate. It’s there to build bonds and to get you to fuck more often. It’s there to help you.

It’s not only women that respond enthusiastically sexually to paternal love. It’s men. You will feel so much more for the girl if you are her Daddy. If you believe and embody that love for her in that way.

This sexual strategy can be applied to very short term relationships, including one night stands. If you are actually into the girl it's possible to fall in love quickly and let her go quickly. And once you take on a Daddy persona, it can stick with you and that can become your default persona for all women you fuck.

I've found this a very useful persona, both for arousing passion in and having control over women, as well as raising my own quality of life. Quality of life is raised by the enjoyment of intimacy and romance, as well as the resulting sex-slave behaviour from daughters.

Plugging into paternal love is a way to hack both of your systems - the man's and the womans. It is fire I'm handing you.

Post: #2

Another thought: many men who have seen love to be an innefective aphrodesiac may have been offering maternal love instead of paternal love. Love for a mother instead of love for a daughter.

Paternal love is the firecracker.

Post: #3

I've found that I generate a deep connection with girls very quickly when this happens. Last year I held a girl in my arms and felt like a father to her and it is one of my strongest memories. She felt it too and started to tear up.

This might not be such a good thing for a player who is trying to avoid pair-bonding and oneitis.

Kudos to the girls who can elicit this feeling in men. That is some real girl game shit.

Post: #4

Post: #5

As well as female specific neoteny, evolution has given us sexual dimorphism to trigger in men paternal feelings for fertile females.

Post: #6

I think you might be onto something. Could you expand on the difference between paternal and maternal love?

Post: #7

(05-11-2013 10:24 PM)Ensam Wrote:  I think you might be onto something. Could you expand on the difference between paternal and maternal love?

Both emotions are conserved and co-opted sexually. As men we originally feel love for our mothers. Most of us are very familiar with looking to our lovers to continue to fulfill a nurturing role. That is loving a woman like a mother.

But as men we are also instinctually wired to immediately feel loving affection towards our offspring, and to a lesser extent to feel affectionate paternal bonds to the young in our tribe.

This emotion is also conserved and co-opted sexually. The man wants to take care for his lover, as a father would his child. As well as a feeling of bonding and care - the oxytocin related feelings, is a sexual feeling. I suggest that men learn about this first hand by deliberately accentuating these feelings through role play. There is an erotic charge that is unique to paternal love.

Post: #8

(05-11-2013 07:56 PM)xsplat Wrote:  It’s long been known that men commonly get erections when their young infants are placed on their chests.

I've never heard or experienced this and don't think it would be considered conventional wisdom...

Otherwise, this isn't that controversial. Science accepts that women evolved to resemble infants (fat faces, big eyes, high voices) so that they could exploit men's paternal instinct. This explains most of men's "blue pill" reactions to women (desire to protect, provide for, put on a pedestal). Basically, men have this sort of paternal reaction to some extent to any short, fat, dumb, helpless looking thing, whether it be a woman, child, puppy, etc. The survival of the species depends on it.

Men's attraction to women can be understood as a combination of sexual and paternal attraction, the division between the two being based on the age and predisposition of the man. My experience is that the paternal impulse is more reliable and less discriminating so it seems like it is a more sound basis for a long term relationship. If a guy is looking for a pump and dump, it is likely he is more guided by the sexual impulse and will be best satisfied by a woman he finds sexy rather than cute.

Post: #9

(05-11-2013 10:35 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  If a guy is looking for a pump and dump, it is likely he is more guided by the sexual impulse and will be best satisfied by a woman he finds sexy rather than cute.

It would be interesting to get a statistical breakdown of which attraction triggers work most for men. For myself I'm very sexually attracted to hyper feminine micro mini girls with high neoteny. Not necessarily cute - that's not the word I'd use. Lolitas can have a dangerous womanly edge to them, while cute girls evoke wholesomeness. So for short or long term, that's what pushes my buttons.

But ya, some guys like girls who for me would resemble football players. I guess blacks on average are a shade are less into neoteny? Asians more?

I think yellow fever boils down to learning an appreciation for neoteny. I've never heard of anyone getting over yellow fever; that's a one way street.

Quote:Otherwise, this isn't that controversial.

My contention goes a step further and claims that there is an erotic charge that is unique to paternal love. Paternal love and eroticism are not only indistinct, but super-charge each other.

Post: #10

(05-11-2013 10:41 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:35 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  If a guy is looking for a pump and dump, it is likely he is more guided by the sexual impulse and will be best satisfied by a woman he finds sexy rather than cute.

It would be interesting to get a statistical breakdown of which attraction triggers work most for men. For myself I'm very sexually attracted to hyper feminine micro mini girls with high neoteny. Not necessarily cute - that's not the word I'd use. Lolitas can have a dangerous womanly edge to them, while cute girls evoke wholesomeness. So for short or long term, that's what pushes my buttons.

But ya, some guys like girls who for me would resemble football players. I guess blacks on average are a shade are less into neoteny? Asians more?

I think yellow fever boils down to learning an appreciation for neoteny. I've never heard of anyone getting over yellow fever; that's a one way street.

I think it is apples and oranges. The sexual traits are going to trigger a sexual attraction while cuteness will trigger fondness and affection. Based on the guy, there is some combination of the two that maximizes overall attraction. Neoteny isn't learned. It exists because of a preference for it contained in the paternal instinct.

The Japanese often represent extreme combinations of the two - their ads, porn, comics, etc. will show a cute dollish face on top of a comically well endowed body.

Post: #11

(05-11-2013 10:53 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  I think it is apples and oranges. The sexual traits are going to trigger a sexual attraction while cuteness will trigger fondness and affection. Based on the guy, there is some combination of the two that maximizes overall attraction.

That mental map makes sense. But it doesn't quite match up with my subjective experience. Is it because I have a kink? A fetish? Maybe, but if so it's not an uncommon one. Many guys have talked about taking on the Daddy persona and how it charges their sex life, and countless women have been known to scream "Daddy fuck me! Daddy fuck me!" to their lovers.

So my idea fits the data better for me. Eroticism and paternal love are not distinct, they blend and supercharge each other, like a fuel air mixture - explosive.

Post: #12

(05-11-2013 10:58 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

(05-11-2013 10:53 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  I think it is apples and oranges. The sexual traits are going to trigger a sexual attraction while cuteness will trigger fondness and affection. Based on the guy, there is some combination of the two that maximizes overall attraction.

That mental map makes sense. But it doesn't quite match up with my subjective experience. Is it because I have a kink? A fetish? Maybe, but if so it's not an uncommon one. Many guys have talked about taking on the Daddy persona and how it charges their sex life, and countless women have been known to scream "Daddy fuck me! Daddy fuck me!" to their lovers.

So my idea fits the data better for me. Eroticism and paternal love are not distinct, they blend and supercharge each other, like a fuel air mixture - explosive.

I think it is either unique to you or you are describing it in a way that makes it sound much, much worse than you intend. If there was an erotic component inherent in the paternal instinct, men would have a sexual response to everything cute - infants, puppies, etc. This would obviously be a horrible perversion.

If you mean that you have a more intense attraction when your sexual attraction is combined with the hormone rush triggered by actual affection, then I don't think that is controversial. Take an extreme example. If a girl looks like a porn star and you've had a few drinks, you will want to fuck her and then want her to leave. If she looks cute and innocent, while also attracting you with big hips, ass and tits, it will be a more sustained and intense attraction.

I think the "call me daddy" stuff is just a desire to dominate so it is common and is more sexual than paternal. I don't think these guys are fantasizing about incest.

Post: #13

(05-11-2013 11:10 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  If there was an erotic component inherent in the paternal instinct, men would have a sexual response to everything cute - infants, puppies, etc. This would obviously be a horrible perversion.

That makes sense, however it could also make sense to say that the erotic component to paternal love remains dormant untill activated by other other triggers. That is saying almost the same thing as you are saying - that the addition of this type of affection increases overall attraction, however it would better match what it actually feels like, and better fit in with how women respond to Daddy love. The Daddy/daughter dynamic is ITSELF sexually charged. It isn't just adding affection to sex. It adds more sex.

Quote:I think the "call me daddy" stuff is just a desire to dominate so it is common and is more sexual than paternal. I don't think these guys are fantasizing about incest.

Yes, dominance is a huge part of it. But it's a paternal dominance. Paternal feelings include dominance, but are more than just dominance. Fathers are always dominant, and more. Both the dominance and the more supercharge the sex.

And although I'm talking about how men feel with paternal love, it makes sense to also include how women respond. Evolution likes this daddy/daughter emotion. Women react very strongly and very specifically to this feeling - it's not just a broad reaction to dominance. It's actually about Daddy/Daugther. Specifically.

Post: #14

I made a blog post out of this and someone just replied:

AverageMarriedDad said
May 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm e


I have to thank you for explaining the spontaneous erection and newborn thing. I had no idea that was common, and was something that was puzzling and somewhat shameful to me when I experienced that with my own newborn at the hospital. I’m glad I’m not a freak and really appreciate your post.

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Also it's quite likely that this is a co-evolved trait. Women become neotenous to attract caring and concerned partners, but that doesn't explain why they get off so extremely specifically on the daddy/daughter dynamic. Try it yourself. Role play daddy/daughter and feel the immediate contractions in her cervix whenever she says "daddy".

If women react so strongly sexually to this dynamic, then at least some men would have evolved to take advantage of that fact.

Men get off on getting women off. Men get off on playing daddy. Women get off on having men bond to them and being protected and submissive. Women get off on playing daughter.

The wiring that we used as infants to bond to our parents and the wiring we use as adults to bond to children have both been conserved and co-opted into the very same wiring that we use for sexual bonding. And possibly vice-versa. The reward centers for sex and for paternal care are not distinct.

Post: #15

(05-11-2013 11:48 PM)xsplat Wrote:  I made a blog post out of this and someone just replied:

AverageMarriedDad said
May 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm e


I have to thank you for explaining the spontaneous erection and newborn thing. I had no idea that was common, and was something that was puzzling and somewhat shameful to me when I experienced that with my own newborn at the hospital. I’m glad I’m not a freak and really appreciate your post.

Wow bit shocked about this aspect of the the father/baby thing really.

Now I'm wondering if these tend to be full on hardcore "i'm with a teenage 9 I wanna [email protected] sooooo bad" type boners or something less powerful??)) (would assume the latter, hopefully!).

Sort of freaked me out reading about this.....but I think I can understand a bit. This post is pretty interesting and I get a lot of what I've historically been feeling with 'paternal love' - just didn't realize it when I was in the moment I guess.

Post: #16

(05-11-2013 11:55 PM)Akula Wrote:  Now I'm wondering if these tend to be full on hardcore "i'm with a teenage 9 I wanna [email protected] sooooo bad" type boners or something less powerful??)) (would assume the latter, hopefully!).

For me I remember it more as a morning wood type of boner. Hard enough, but not arising along with specific sexual imagery or content. It did arise along with strong paternal love though. The paternal love therefore had an erotic component, even if no thoughts of fucking a helpless baby occured.

It was slightly disconcerting for me too, as it wasn't a one off thing, and I also was glad at the time to chance upon the news that this was common for men.

Women get their sexual oxytocin rush that enhances bonding from nipple sucking. Men get it even without that.

Post: #17

OP so what sorts of things do you do when talking to a woman to do this?

Post: #18

(05-12-2013 01:04 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  OP so what sorts of things do you do when talking to a woman to do this?

Well, the first time I was introduced to this dynamic was in my early thirties with a woman who was 11 years older than me. We were both long time meditators, which may have moved us towards being unintimidated by taboos and open to the moment. Somehow during sex I stumbled onto the role play of calling her daughter and being her Daddy. She responded strongly immediately, with no hesitation. Like putting on a glove for the first time and finding a perfect fit. Boom, she went for that ride and it took her far.

Since then I've received at least as positive feedback from scores of women, and the positive feedback has re-enforced my role play into a full blown full time persona. I don't play Daddy anymore, I am Daddy.

So by now it's not a matter of doing anything in particular. I sometimes have to bite my lip to NOT say "Daddy loves you, Daddy loves you" in ecstatic moments. But even with new girls I don't bother to bite my lip. Even for first time sex. Girls respond very well to this. Always. Or, almost always. I remember 1 older woman who the next day acted all put off. I think she mis-read some romantic intentions into the words. The words are not the content of the feeling - the content of the feeling comes out in subtle vocal intonations. The words are just a carrier tone.

And that hints at more of the dynamic. With the voice there is sympatico. Lovers coo together, and through this cooing reach a sympathetic resonance. The Daddy dynamic is all about sympathetic resonance, so the advantage in it comes firstly from raising your own passion, which feeds emotion to the girl to resonate with, which since you have paternal love you will feel attuned to and resonate back with her, and you will get some form of cooing. The cooing could be slapping, choking, spanking, spitting, low grunts, high squeals, romantic words - anything - anything that is feeding emotion back and forth to each other. Since your emotion is heightened due to paternal love, you'll feed more into that system and get more out of it. She'll get way higher and way more invested, because how you resonate together.

But at first in order to start to feel that kink of that flavor of connection, you can do explicit role play. You dont have to start right in with Daddy/Daughter. You can explore her being a nurse, a student, a prostitute, a schoolgirl. Play around and get into different roles, and see what mutual effect they have. Once you get around to Daddy/Daughter, play some more. Say things like "Don't tell your mother." That one is hilarious. The girl will play along. And you are saying this stuff while you are actually fucking - playing this game. She'll get right into it, so deeply that in a way it will become real for her. She'll eventually start to view you as your real, actual father, in some mystic/emotional but still very real way.

Just go with the flow with the role play. It's fun and gets the two of you engaged more broadly. If you look into her eyes while fucking her and feel at least lust, that lust can expand out into appreciation which can also bleed into types of love.

One trick with these things is to not let the awareness be too narrow. Inhabit many areas of the body at once, as well as have an eyes open generalized awareness, as well as be aware of her, as well as be emotional, and so forth. Don't just get stuck in your head or the tip of your dick. Sometimes it can take a while before the loving feeling will rise up to the heart - maybe 15 minutes or more into the fucking session, but after it does then it's much easier to fuck without coming, as you will feel both more sensation while at the same time more control. You'll feel embodied, in power, and in control. Her face might begin to glow and you'll be having a flow moment. The two of you can be very emotionally open then, and do whatever the hell you want. I often like dominance submissive games, but I don't only go there. I go into many different emotional places. Sometimes just a good basic long grunting session.

Post: #19

I think you might be making quite an interesting point but I'm not sure how exactly you would go about eliciting these responses, apart from role play in the bedroom.

Can you give specific examples of words/actions you would use when gaming a girl to help develop the father/daughter thing?

Post: #20

(05-12-2013 12:32 PM)lush1 Wrote:  I think you might be making quite an interesting point but I'm not sure how exactly you would go about eliciting these responses, apart from role play in the bedroom.

Can you give specific examples of words/actions you would use when gaming a girl to help develop the father/daughter thing?

There can be a web of responses related to the daddy/daughter dynamic, and the related dynamics work in concert. Authority figures demand both respect and obedience, so if you routinely give orders to your girl, she'll start to view you as her authority figure. If she at the same time call you by the pet name Daddy, then you've built up an even stronger circuit than what she might have with her boss at work - now her actions are devotionals.

The daddy/daughter dynamic can be an entire system. A cohesive system. You get a feel for it as you go along. The desired end result is a bonded servant who is head over heels in love with you and will do whatever you want on command. But to do this well it helps to get so into your role that you embody it. If you are going to put in so much work as to have a sex slave, it makes sense to actually be into the girl. And so investing some real emotion into the situation is part of the cost of the real emotional benefits that you get out of it. Actually being into the girl is important. And that might be tough for guys who have already lost the ability to bond. For them they might need to work to repair their bonding systems first before trying to play Daddy and elicit a daughter response.

Can a guy, especially a younger guy, fake it until he makes it with the Daddy persona? I don't know - I guess it depends on if he can find incremental steps that give him positive feedback along the way.

I don't want to get lost in describing the whole web of what can make up a daddy/daughter dynamic and how to elicit all the responses. I just wanted to start a thread touching in on the part where we hack our own systems, such that we craft emotions inside ourselves that are useful for personal satisfaction as well as for manipulating the women in our lives. Feeling paternal love - really feeling it and not faking it - is useful. That is an important step on the path to getting the girl to feel love for you as her Daddy.

Post: #21

(05-12-2013 12:32 PM)lush1 Wrote:  I think you might be making quite an interesting point but I'm not sure how exactly you would go about eliciting these responses, apart from role play in the bedroom.

Can you give specific examples of words/actions you would use when gaming a girl to help develop the father/daughter thing?

I used to do this kind of stuff to my gf all the time:

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.nl/2013/0...-wife.html

Read the paragraph about tucking her into bed like a father would. I've never role played father-daughter but a lot of dominant role play started with this kind of stuff.

Post: #22

Great thread.
The patenal/daughter sexual element to dating is very accepted in Latin America. I am late 20s(living in Mexico) and I usually date girls 5-10 years younger and a number of the girls Ive dated have called me "Papi" in and outside of the bedroom.

Post: #23

Tell me more about how you talk to girls in Spanish about being their papi! I'm gonna use this with a girl from Colombia..

Post: #24

(05-12-2013 04:25 PM)GreenGranted Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 12:32 PM)lush1 Wrote:  I think you might be making quite an interesting point but I'm not sure how exactly you would go about eliciting these responses, apart from role play in the bedroom.

Can you give specific examples of words/actions you would use when gaming a girl to help develop the father/daughter thing?

I used to do this kind of stuff to my gf all the time:

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.nl/2013/0...-wife.html

Read the paragraph about tucking her into bed like a father would. I've never role played father-daughter but a lot of dominant role play started with this kind of stuff.

That's a good blog and has info that I can use right now as I am clueless when it comes to relationships.

AlphaBeta looks like the game.

Post: #25

(05-11-2013 10:12 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

As well as female specific neoteny, evolution has given us sexual dimorphism to trigger in men paternal feelings for fertile females.

Even the .gif looks bitchy.