Post: #51

(04-26-2013 03:47 PM)Woolf Wrote:  Here my impression so far. I would be cool if I could hear some other opinions:


-Nightgame seems to be some kind of scam here. Probably it´s good if you want to bring girls but who wants to bring girls INTO a club. The range was between 6 to 8. No 9s like advertised on every Sobe thread. Hopefully it changes on the weekend. 3 nights out, didn´t took a girl home or was close to it.

-Bottle service really sucks. All 8s are in VIP, no clue how do manage this one.

-I needed some time to find the weak spots of the men here. First they seem to be very emotional intelligent, low approach anxiety, good looking and rich. They have high confidence in probably everything except women. I saw guys who could be models begging 6s for a dance. All of them are leaning in and extremly "nice" (in a bad way). Probably Miami is still a bad spott for finding a LTR.

-Men here are a lot more like women. I have the feeling that they handle their feelings by speaking about them. Everybody here is small talk addicted. Probably that´s why people are so friendly and have very low approach anxieties

-music in clubs is pretty loud. Bad if you are not a native speaker.

-People in Miami Beach are really confident. Women and Men. It´s definitly the toughest field where I have been to.

-It seems impossible to get a "Fuck Off"-rejection. Women here have very high manners. So there is a lot of room for more aggressive approaches there.

-Men dress in plaid shirts but in general better than I expected. Of course people in Europe still dress better. :-)

-just found average clubs, I will report as soon as I found a club that I can recommend.

-drinks are freaking expensive. The problem is not the 20-30$ for a drink, it is that the drinks are small and soft. The 400$ a bottle is very cheap in compare to the drinks.

Daygame:

-Solid talent walking around. A lot of 8s walking alone the streets. They are easy to stop, not in a rush. While a simple "Hi" usually gets overheared or don´t make girls to stop, here it´s definitly enough. You can say "Hi" and they stop walking. I never saw that in my life.

-Time is running slow here. People drive slow, walk slow

-I didn´t have the balls for restaurant approaches but there were enough hot girls walking on ocean view. The girls here are really used to get approached and have instant dates.

-Eye contact is crazy. I still don´t know how much I should value it because guys do it, too.

So far after 3 days. Still looking for a solid wing, contact me!

Which clubs have you gone to? If you haven't seen 9's you're at the wrong clubs. Plus, you haven't been out during the weekend have you? You have to find the right club for the right night, though the weekends, all the "good" clubs are good. Other nights they may only be good one or two nights a week. Miami Beach is tough if you can't afford bottle service or have hook ups to get you into the VIP areas or free bottle service. It also has THE fiercest competition of anywhere I've been, with very few close competitors that I can think of, but also has some of the top women I've come across after Colombia and Brazil, even a place like Rio has a hard time keeping up with MIA at peak season, and THE top women of America. If you aren't seeing it, you're either there in super low season which shouldn't be the case right now, or you're not in the right places.

The part where you say you see model looking guys trying to get with 6's.. Yep, that's Miami Beach. Like I said, the competition is really high. But then again you'll see a g'd out dude that's a 5 with a 9, so it goes both ways. Miami has a certain steeze, you have to find your nitch. It's the type of place that takes a while to crack.

It seems impossible to get the fuck off rejection? Shit, I've gotten it WAY more in Miami than anywhere else. Again, you probably aren't going to the places with the highest quality. But quality aside, some of the best looking girls I know were also some of the sweetest. You'll go to upscale places, and the average girls will be the cunts, usually not the prettiest girls, strange how that works. Believe me, Miami women can be some of the harshest around. But then again, there are a lot of really cool girls as well, super friendly.

I hear you on the music. It's hard to escape it in Miami. I would get so worn out on it sometimes. I don't even really like most of the music they're playing in the clubs. And they play it LOUD! And yes, drinks are FUCKING expensive, most expensive place I've been for drinks. Again, it's tough if you don't have money or the hook up.

As far as fashion. You're looking at some of the top dressed people in the country. People don't dress much better in the states than Miami with exceptions of places like LA and possible NY. Miami helped me one up my steeze, along with some helpful advice of some players on here like G.

If you have any questions you can ask here or through PM. Tonight LIV is going to be great (Edit, I thought it was Saturday today. LIV will still be good, but it's best Sat.), but expensive (Don't know who's playing, but normal entry should be about $50 I think. IDK though, I never paid). Other good options tonight will be SET, Mokai, Mynt, and possibly the Wall, but I would go to any of the others over the Wall.

Good luck bro, Miami is a tough beast to conquer, but very rewarding when you can pull it off. I miss that place. Give us more updates and let us know what's up.

Post: #52

(04-26-2013 04:29 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Quote:-I needed some time to find the weak spots of the men here. First they seem to be very emotional intelligent, low approach anxiety, good looking and rich.

From what I noticed, most (latin) men are really short but are muscular so it balances out. The eye contact thing is true as well especially if you're tall.

This is only in Miami. Shit, everyone is muscular in Miami. In general though, for example in Colombia, Mexico, Peru, and Ecuador, the latin men aren't muscular in general. South Beach just makes people up their game and work out. As you saw, most people are in shape. Sounds like you had a good time out there man. Too bad you had to cut the trip short.

Post: #53

(04-26-2013 03:47 PM)Woolf Wrote:  Here my impression so far. I would be cool if I could hear some other opinions:


-Nightgame seems to be some kind of scam here. Probably it´s good if you want to bring girls but who wants to bring girls INTO a club. The range was between 6 to 8. No 9s like advertised on every Sobe thread. Hopefully it changes on the weekend. 3 nights out, didn´t took a girl home or was close to it.

Where did you go? Names?

Quote:-Bottle service really sucks. All 8s are in VIP, no clue how do manage this one.

Again, where are you going? This isn't really an issue in my experience.

Quote:-I needed some time to find the weak spots of the men here. First they seem to be very emotional intelligent, low approach anxiety, good looking and rich. They have high confidence in probably everything except women. I saw guys who could be models begging 6s for a dance. All of them are leaning in and extremly "nice" (in a bad way). Probably Miami is still a bad spott for finding a LTR.

Like InternationPlayboy said, you see the other way around as well.

Guys date up in Miami.

One of the few places in America where I see this on a daily basis.

Quote:Men here are a lot more like women. I have the feeling that they handle their feelings by speaking about them. Everybody here is small talk addicted. Probably that´s why people are so friendly and have very low approach anxieties

Interesting perspective.

Not sure how you would pick up on "I have the feeling that they handle their feelings by speaking about them" by being there for 3 days.

What are you comparing it to?

Quote:-music in clubs is pretty loud. Bad if you are not a native speaker.

For sure. When you say "native speaker" do you mean English, Spanish or both?

Quote:-People in Miami Beach are really confident. Women and Men. It´s definitly the toughest field where I have been to.

I could agree with that.

Quote:-It seems impossible to get a "Fuck Off"-rejection. Women here have very high manners. So there is a lot of room for more aggressive approaches there.

Keep trying. You will get them.

Although"Fuck Off"-rejection" doesn't seem to happen as much as it did in say Hollywood in the 90's.

Quote:-Men dress in plaid shirts but in general better than I expected. Of course people in Europe still dress better. :-)

Where were you going? When you generalize "men" (and or "women") in Miami, it is kind of tough.

Locals? Tourists? Euro transplants? American transplants? etc

Quote:-just found average clubs, I will report as soon as I found a club that I can recommend.

Names?

Quote:-drinks are freaking expensive.

For sure.

Quote:-Time is running slow here. People drive slow, walk slow

Yes. But people run stop signs worse than any other place in the world. Be careful.

Quote:-I didn´t have the balls for restaurant approaches but there were enough hot girls walking on ocean view. The girls here are really used to get approached and have instant dates.

You mean Ocean Drive?

Restaurant approaches are the easiest. Easier than cold Day Game in my opinion.

Quote:-Eye contact is crazy. I still don´t know how much I should value it because guys do it, too.

That is surprising.

I think eye contact is low.

Post: #54

I went to:

2 times to Mansion (1/10)
Tantra (2/10)
The Wall (8/10)
some bars on ocean drive (on was mangos) (7/10)
Mokai (couldn´t enter)
Purdy Lounge (4/10)

I got lucky in The Wall with a lost tourist girl. More luck than solid work.

The Wall Lounge:
The Wall was so far definitly the best place for me. The place is nothing special, totally normal, so good if You want to have a classical pickup night and go out alone. About 50% girls, 18$ a Vodka/soda. You can stay at the hotel bar before. I think men there are pretty rich, but not ballers. Could be a place in Manhatten, London or Berlin. If you wait at the hotel bar for a big group of girls and you go with them together in, You don´t pay entree. I probably won´t go there again because it´s not a lot of new input there.

Bottle service/getting in without girls:
Sorry guys, but that´s a little bit advanced to me. Can somebody give me a 7-step actionplan where I find girls to bring to the clubs without paying the whole night for them?
-You pull them from Lincoln road? Where exactly?
-Street or restaurants?
-how do you frame it? I have the feeling that the "I´m a lost tourist, where can i go out here?"-doesn´t work here
-how do you frame it that there aren´t missunderstandings regarding paying for anything? So that they don´t see it as an invitation for entree+drinks
-2-sets or 3-sets?
-how much time do you need on average until you found 2 solid girls?


@InternationalPlayboy
Thanks, I will ask in this thread my questions.

Quote:Interesting perspective.

Not sure how you would pick up on "I have the feeling that they handle their feelings by speaking about them" by being there for 3 days.

What are you comparing it to?

Well, more comparing to outside of the US (Western Europea, Eastern Europe, Latin America, Asia). It´s just an impression. For me it´s weired that everybody approaches me. I´m not that guy that people usually approach, but taxi driver telling me about their problems. When I went yesterday to the bathroom, a guy was telling me about his crazy girlfriend who is non-stop mad. In the gym, there was a guy telling me that his muscle is broken and he can´t do a lot.

Sure, no samplesize, but enough to found this thought :-)

Quote:For sure. When you say "native speaker" do you mean English, Spanish or both?

Both.

Quote:-I didn´t have the balls for restaurant approaches but there were enough hot girls walking on ocean view. The girls here are really used to get approached and have instant dates.

Quote:You mean Ocean Drive?

Restaurant approaches are the easiest. Easier than cold Day Game in my opinion.

Yes, Ocean Drive. I don´t see a solid strategy there. You approach 2-sets,3-sets there, then they are usually waiting for the food or are eating. You have passengers passing bye and a lot of people hear your approach. So for me it´s definitly one of the toughest you can bring. Or do you go for lunch/dinner anyways, take a table next to 2 hot girls, order food and approach them with elderly openers?

Quote:-Eye contact is crazy. I still don´t know how much I should value it because guys do it, too.

Quote:That is surprising.

I think eye contact is low.

Perhaps wrong information. I was the last 2 years in latin america and the women there aren´t famous for giving eye contact.

Post: #55

(04-26-2013 03:47 PM)Woolf Wrote:  Here my impression so far. I would be cool if I could hear some other opinions:


-Nightgame seems to be some kind of scam here. Probably it´s good if you want to bring girls but who wants to bring girls INTO a club. The range was between 6 to 8. No 9s like advertised on every Sobe thread. Hopefully it changes on the weekend. 3 nights out, didn´t took a girl home or was close to it.

-Bottle service really sucks. All 8s are in VIP, no clue how do manage this one.

-I needed some time to find the weak spots of the men here. First they seem to be very emotional intelligent, low approach anxiety, good looking and rich. They have high confidence in probably everything except women. I saw guys who could be models begging 6s for a dance. All of them are leaning in and extremly "nice" (in a bad way). Probably Miami is still a bad spott for finding a LTR.

-Men here are a lot more like women. I have the feeling that they handle their feelings by speaking about them. Everybody here is small talk addicted. Probably that´s why people are so friendly and have very low approach anxieties

-music in clubs is pretty loud. Bad if you are not a native speaker.

-People in Miami Beach are really confident. Women and Men. It´s definitly the toughest field where I have been to.

-It seems impossible to get a "Fuck Off"-rejection. Women here have very high manners. So there is a lot of room for more aggressive approaches there.

-Men dress in plaid shirts but in general better than I expected. Of course people in Europe still dress better. :-)

-just found average clubs, I will report as soon as I found a club that I can recommend.

-drinks are freaking expensive. The problem is not the 20-30$ for a drink, it is that the drinks are small and soft. The 400$ a bottle is very cheap in compare to the drinks.

Daygame:

-Solid talent walking around. A lot of 8s walking alone the streets. They are easy to stop, not in a rush. While a simple "Hi" usually gets overheared or don´t make girls to stop, here it´s definitly enough. You can say "Hi" and they stop walking. I never saw that in my life.

-Time is running slow here. People drive slow, walk slow

-I didn´t have the balls for restaurant approaches but there were enough hot girls walking on ocean view. The girls here are really used to get approached and have instant dates.

-Eye contact is crazy. I still don´t know how much I should value it because guys do it, too.

So far after 3 days. Still looking for a solid wing, contact me!

No offense, but your entire post screams of amateur tourist.

You're pedastalizing everything, the men and the women.

Miami is a fucking illusion dude. Nothing is what you think of is.

Stop with the pedastalizing and your game will grow exponentially.

A lot of those Miami Beach bitches are transients from elsewhere who couldn't make it where they are from. Some of them come here and fuck for free salsa lessons, then turn around and teach real Latinos how to dance it for $50 a hour. A good number of them are low-level hoes.

Real Miamians understand this place. It's time to start thinking like a Miamian and stop thinking like a fuckin tourist. This city has some of the most insecure people you'll ever meet in your life, people who go out of their way to hide their insecurities.

Post: #56

(04-28-2013 04:44 PM)Woolf Wrote:  I went to:

2 times to Mansion (1/10)
Tantra (2/10)
The Wall (8/10)
some bars on ocean drive (on was mangos) (7/10)
Mokai (couldn´t enter)
Purdy Lounge (4/10)

This reminds me of the soul track, "You Can't Strike Gold In A Silver Mine".

Which nights did you go to these spots?

Post: #57

(04-26-2013 01:57 PM)jariel Wrote:  The Miami night scene has changed so much it doesn't make sense for anyone to be reppin anything from 7-8 years ago. The way things are here, most things are hot one day and finished by the next week once word gets around.

I tend to agree.

There is literally a new place opening every week.

Hell, there have probably been 2-3 new restaurants that have opened in the last week or so that are in a 4 block radius of my crib.

Quote:I'm interested in putting together a sheet on solely our latin clubs, obviously there are plenty, but only a handful of good ones.

I would be interested in checking that.

Jariel, do you ever roll Wynwood, Midtown and Design?

Post: #58

(04-29-2013 12:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 01:57 PM)jariel Wrote:  I'm interested in putting together a sheet on solely our latin clubs, obviously there are plenty, but only a handful of good ones.

I would be interested in checking that.

Jariel, do you ever roll Wynwood, Midtown and Design?

I have one more place I'm going to check out on Saturday and then I think I'll be able to do a pretty comprehensive latin clubs sheet.

As far as Design District and what not, a friend of mine and I used to pre-game at The News Lounge before heading off to the beach.

I did see some potential at a place called Lagniappe that had a vibe I think you would like.

Basically it's kind of like going to a BBQ at someone's house, but much "classier". You walk in and grab a bottle of wine and some cheese and meats, then you pay, give them your food to cook on the BBQ or just add bread, olives, etc. to your plate, and go seat yourself outside. While you're chillin, there's live music (jazz, blues, etc.) for entertainment purposes.

Honestly, the setup and vibe is unlike anything I've experienced in Miami.

I went for someone's b-day get together. It defintely has that date night feel to it. I'm pretty sure they close early (for Miami standards), so I'd get there early.

The night I was there I didn't see anything under a 7, this is the kind of fly, upscale shit that fly, upscale women do.

P.S. Bring your Zippo, it will come in handy.

Post: #59

As far as design district goes, it is by far the best on first Fridays artwalk. I would go as far as to say you will see more better quality women at art walk than you would anywhere else in Miami. It's usually good, some months can be hit or miss, but for the most part you will find A LOT of quality there. Obviously, same goes with art basil. IMO art walk has better talent than any of the clubs.

Post: #60

(04-29-2013 07:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 04:44 PM)Woolf Wrote:  I went to:

2 times to Mansion (1/10)
Tantra (2/10)
The Wall (8/10)
some bars on ocean drive (on was mangos) (7/10)
Mokai (couldn´t enter)
Purdy Lounge (4/10)

This reminds me of the soul track, "You Can't Strike Gold In A Silver Mine".

Which nights did you go to these spots?

Mansion (Monday+wednesday)
Tantra (Monday
The Wall (Friday)
Mokai (Monday)
Purdy Lunge (thursday)

Recent update:
Rokbar (Sunday): Nearly empty. Bouncer let me look in and I quitted directly.
Set (Sunday): Couldn´t enter, didn´t find girls who want to go there.

Nikki Beach (Sunday): Standing 30 minutes in line, 13$ vodka soda, 20$ entree, ~65% men. Girls range from 5 to 8. Good spot, if you are fine with a 7. I arrived pretty late. Guys getting more drunk there, time window seems earlier than usual (1:30-2:30). Guys approach a lot. Inside logistics are pretty good (dance floor, quiet places where people don´t see if the girl is slutty, several bars, many tourists). No clue why some people didn´t like the place. Perhaps high end talent is missing. There are many low-energy girls, too. So if you have state problems or going out alone+sober, there is some room for quieter approaches. Competition isn´t very high. Took a somewhat 7 (tourist) home by a very low-energy direct approach. Everybody gets in, I saw 4 guys all in shorts and flip flops who could enter.
I give this club 8 out of 10.

Post: #61

(04-30-2013 05:52 PM)Woolf Wrote:  Nikki Beach (Sunday): Standing 30 minutes in line

I know there are multiple posters who do not like Nikki Beach, but standing in line for thirty minutes or for any amount of time can be easily avoided even if you don't have the place locked down and it is quite clear that you don't. Walk down Ocean Drive on your way there and you will almost definitely be approached by some guy who will give you a bracelet for Nikki Beach. With the bracelet, you are almost guaranteed not to have to wait in line. When you get there, find the best looking girls in line and ask them if they want to go in with you. Then cut the line and tell the person at the door that there are three of you or whatever the number is. It should then be very easy to at least get the girls' numbers and walk right in. That's what I did the last holiday weekend I went.

Post: #62

Woolf, if you're gonna be in town next Friday, don't forget to hit up art walk. Like I mentioned above, great talent and the girls are friendly. There isn't the competition that you'll see in the clubs. In fact, I ran into a lot of girl that worked at the clubs at art walk.

Post: #63

(04-30-2013 06:14 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  Woolf, if you're gonna be in town next Friday, don't forget to hit up art walk. Like I mentioned above, great talent and the girls are friendly. There isn't the competition that you'll see in the clubs. In fact, I ran into a lot of girl that worked at the clubs at art walk.

Do you have a link? I find only events during the game. Or do you refer to the bars in design district in general on fridays?

Post: #64

To be honest, there really isn't a specific place. Just walk around and mingle. There's mad talent. Hang out around the Wood Tavern area. Check out the Wynwood walls. Should be around 22nd and Miami Ave. It's basically a big block party with a bunch of studios displaying their art. There are some good food trucks too. It's only on the first Friday of every month though.

Post: #65

Ohhh shit. My bad, it's second Saturday in Miami. Most towns have their Art Walk 1st Friday, I got confused, I forgot Miami's is weird. Sorry to hype it up. Will you be there next Saturday?

Post: #66

So 11th May? Yes, I will be in Miami. Thanks for the tip.