Post: #26

(02-03-2011 12:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Agreed. Angry/bitter responses are what she expects, and it serves to reinforce her perspective that she is correct in brushing you off.

This is assuming you consider her worthy of your time. Which is very questionable considering she is girl who goes to a public place where she expects to be approached and talked to - after all, it's a nightclub, not a church - with the sole purpose of telling everyone to fuck off? Sounds like a drama queen who forgot to take her medications, and not worthy of anything more than "Is that herpes on your lips? Shit, no blowjob either. Goodbye then"

Post: #27

(02-03-2011 07:41 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(02-03-2011 12:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Agreed. Angry/bitter responses are what she expects, and it serves to reinforce her perspective that she is correct in brushing you off.

This is assuming you consider her worthy of your time. Which is very questionable considering she is girl who goes to a public place where she expects to be approached and talked to - after all, it's a nightclub, not a church - with the sole purpose of telling everyone to fuck off? Sounds like a drama queen who forgot to take her medications, and not worthy of anything more than "Is that herpes on your lips? Shit, no blowjob either. Goodbye then"

That's true. I get that, and I personally wouldn't think anything of a woman who behaved that way other than to bang her and promptly kick her out. Although, on the other hand, I do empathize a little with a woman who gets too much attention and puts up the bitch shield as a result.

If you already decided to approach her, and you disqualify her just because of the way she behaved, then you can walk away or insult her as its your right to do. As long as you truly don't care about it.

But if you have even a twinge of emotion about being insulted, then I think that its your duty to do your best to fuck her senseless. Otherwise, that means that she wins, and you really were successfully disqualified rather than you doing the disqualifying. But now we're getting into some pretty nuanced game psychology that is only philosophical in nature, and only has as much value as you assign it.

Personally, I would place a big bet at that point and try to break down her shield. If only for the sport of it. If I was tired or otherwise very distracted, I probably wouldn't have the motivation to play the game.

Post: #28

(02-03-2011 08:24 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  That's true. I get that, and I personally wouldn't think anything of a woman who behaved that way other than to bang her and promptly kick her out. Although, on the other hand, I do empathize a little with a woman who gets too much attention and puts up the bitch shield as a result.

This actually happens in Russia; if you do day game there and you're ordinary looking, typically one out of 20 women you approach on a street will react with "fuck you" or something very rude. Russian culture does not require you to be polite or cooperative with random strangers, so this is considered acceptable. Interesting fact: every pickup book I've read in Russian devoted a special chapter to those things, i.e. what to say if the first thing the girl said to you was like "get a life, fag", and typical suggestion is to reply with a personal insult.

Quote:If you already decided to approach her, and you disqualify her just because of the way she behaved, then you can walk away or insult her as its your right to do. As long as you truly don't care about it.

But if you have even a twinge of emotion about being insulted, then I think that its your duty to do your best to fuck her senseless. Otherwise, that means that she wins, and you really were successfully disqualified rather than you doing the disqualifying.

I agree with you that replying with generic insult is a weak and useless move. This is why it is very important that a personal weakness insult should be used, which highlights and ridicules her flaws. The rationale to use a personal insult is not to justify yourself or simply fight back, it is to punish her anti-social behavior. It is not a bitch shield - there are a lot of socially acceptable ways to let people know you're not interested in talking to them. Otherwise they should be taught that such behavior has consequences, and if you try to put someone down, you will be put down too. Think of it as making the world better.

Particularly this is what actually happened - you were disqualified with her saying "your value is lower than mine". By striking back with personal insult you're saying "your value is even lower", which makes the field even, and by leaving after that you disqualify her, doing exactly what she has done; so the final "win" is on your side. Extra score if you're laughing.

Post: #29

I've been lucky enough to not have dealt with a super bitch in a long time. The super bitch during street game is the hardest because they can just walk away after the insult and leave you standing there holding the bag. If you approach her correctly, which is to smile, stand up straight and look confident, say something genuinely interesting, look her in the eyes, and she STILL blows you out like "fuck off" then mate, she's not worth your time.

NEXT

really, go to another one. i don't put up with that shit. but i actually don't get blown out like that. ever. i mean, i remember in tokyo that use to happen a lot. but that was business. these girls are top notch model Asian chicks. they get hit on a trillion times a day. they don't say fuck off, but they do just keep walking like you didn't even say anything. don't know about russia but in japan it's acceptable to walk *next to them* (not behind them) for a few more seconds and try a few other things (hey why so mean; are you always so friendly; wow, j-girls are so tough. i just want to know where the stations is; it's because you don't speak japanese right; etc). sometimes it works. but after about 10 seconds I eject. no hard feelings. i don't know about russia. could you do that there?

if she blows you out at a club, the best response is usually to say she's so cute, or immature, or say that's a really interesting question/comment and go with it. take her power away

Post: #30

(02-04-2011 05:10 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Particularly this is what actually happened - you were disqualified with her saying "your value is lower than mine". By striking back with personal insult you're saying "your value is even lower", which makes the field even, and by leaving after that you disqualify her, doing exactly what she has done; so the final "win" is on your side. Extra score if you're laughing.

I completely agree with you, if she is actually insulted by your insult. So make it a particularly good one. A lot of women like this, because they are expecting the caustic reply and are probably good looking, I think will just brush it off as you being bitter because you can't have her. Therefore, her self esteem will actually be either further reinforced or possibly even raised because she was able to make you, someone she assumes is lower in the social hierarchy, emotional. But, I guess it depends on how well you break the bitch down. I'm sure there are guys out there who could effectively insult the the most stalwart of women.

If a guy isn't good enough at being insulting to actually damage her emotionally in a significant way, then I think that the alternative is to fuck her for the social win. Either one would work, though. Personally, I would prefer to fuck her dominantly. That would unquestioningly reassert the social order.

Post: #31

A few responses to rude chicks:

"I thought I'd lower my standards tonight. Lucky you!"

"Goodbye? But I haven't finished my good deed for the day!"

"Can I have your Mom's number then? If your pussy won't open her's is still loose from pushing your fat ass out."

Post: #32

I think Hydro's response speaks best to our masculine goals/desires.

Who cares what a girl says to you if at the end of day, you get to come in her mouth?

Conclusion: whatever it takes to fuck her (except paying). That's how alphas think. There is only one truth, one result that matters, one thing that will set the frame for everything.

Penis in vagina.

Post: #33

(03-06-2011 10:17 AM)Invictus Wrote:  I think Hydro's response speaks best to our masculine goals/desires.

Who cares what a girl says to you if at the end of day, you get to come in her mouth?

Conclusion: whatever it takes to fuck her (except paying). That's how alphas think. There is only one truth, one result that matters, one thing that will set the frame for everything.

Penis in vagina.

I absolutely do not agree with this

Taken whatever a bitch dishes you and just accepting it all because you THINK you MIGHT be able to fuck makes you look super weak.

If a bitch has the mindset to totally shit on you in public before even knowing anything about you, news flash, fucking you is probably the last thing on her mind. lol

It makes it sound like pussy completely controls you by saying "it doesnt matter what a chick does or says as long as you get to fuck"

Seriously, I MIGHT consider a certain level of disrespect if somebody is paying me. I wont accept ANY level of disrespect with the HOPES that I can fuck this dry pussy bitch thats got it in her mind that Im not worthy of respect.

Its almost like you feel like this is the last hoe on earth when you feel like you have to take whatever this bitch gives you JUST so you can TRY to fuck.....lol

smh

Post: #34

(03-06-2011 11:00 AM)theIVth Wrote:  I absolutely do not agree with this

Taken whatever a bitch dishes you and just accepting it all because you THINK you MIGHT be able to fuck makes you look super weak.

If a bitch has the mindset to totally shit on you in public before even knowing anything about you, news flash, fucking you is probably the last thing on her mind. lol

It makes it sound like pussy completely controls you by saying "it doesnt matter what a chick does or says as long as you get to fuck"

Seriously, I MIGHT consider a certain level of disrespect if somebody is paying me. I wont accept ANY level of disrespect with the HOPES that I can fuck this dry pussy bitch thats got it in her mind that Im not worthy of respect.

Its almost like you feel like this is the last hoe on earth when you feel like you have to take whatever this bitch gives you JUST so you can TRY to fuck.....lol

smh

I need to learn to write better.

Of course I don't mean public embarrassment. That's why I wrote "what she says to you".

If I a girl flips me off, is rude, does me down - basically anything to hurt my self-esteem - she's trying to get off on doing me down.

That's an easy one to figure out. Her own lack of self-esteem is showing. People with genuine high self-esteem are charitable, friendly and spread positive emotions around. They have presence of mind to not be rude even if under pressure (like getting hit on by 100 guys a night).

I don't care what she says - neither she nor her words hold any worth in my life. She's just in a bad place. I don't control that.

But if it's just us, so what? I'm not saying ignore it. But don't let anger get the better of you - don't get mad. Get even. Best way to get even? Fuck the shit out of her.

Tell her "your self-esteem is showing" or an of the other great lines given in here. Hydro's is my favorite. If I can still fuck her though, I'd do it. That'd be my act of charity.

Post: #35

Another possible answer:

"Goodbye? Ppppllleaze, the only reason I approached you was to warm up for the much prettier girl standing over there (point to a much more beautiful female) so, you're nothing but a practice shot. on to a real woman now....loser" <leave laughing>.

Now, here is the GOLDEN PART! When you open your next target, open her with.

"hey, the girl over there got mad at me because I said you were prettier than her, so let me ask you: were you worth fighting for?"


Enjoy! No woman ca resist a man defending her beauty to her competition.





Mixx

Post: #36

that's GOLD.

Post: #37

Good one mixx. Just have to make sure u have 2 girls in your view before going after one

Post: #38

The wave goodbye or attitude what are you looking at happens.... bitches will be bitches.... goes hand in hand in clubs. Is it worth it sometimes to say something, or brush it off. I don't know, idiots will be idiots. Odds are you probably won't see that cunt anymore. I have experienced both in responding back and simply brushing it off. Did anything change, I'd like to say yes, but I really don't know.

Some chicks are outright rude, so they deserve a punch in the head, but what good will that do me? Words and exchanges of insults with some idiots will go nowhere. Aside from verbal insults, how can I fuck her up??? I dunno, walk by and accidentally spill red wine on her? grab a butch and dance close to her for her to bump into her etc... and hope that this will annoy her.... Depending on my mood, i brush it off and move on....But, if I see you again, I am prepared for your bitchiness and will make sure my value is higher than hers.

What I have learned is to be prepared for the worst when approaching a stranger or if they are outright rude with plans A B and C.

Post: #39

Quote:Taken whatever a bitch dishes you and just accepting it all because you THINK you MIGHT be able to fuck makes you look super weak.

nah...but I don't think you quite get the demeanor that I'm referring to. Yeah, okay, if you only have the ability to continue to act like a fawning beta around her then your right. In that instance, you should cut your losses and walk away. Definitely do it with dignity, though, and don't lose emotional control by throwing a hissy fit of insults at her.

Quote:If a bitch has the mindset to totally shit on you in public before even knowing anything about you, news flash, fucking you is probably the last thing on her mind. lol

again, nah... remember that your engaged in a game. A social and sexual game. She's just playing it a certain way. If you cant play the game her way, or change it to your way AND win by fucking her, then you lose. If your okay with that, then fine. But if your not, then you need to learn to play it better. News flash for you, a test like this is a HUGE advantage for you IF you know how to pass it. That's because passing it says more about you to her than a whole night of average game will. You will often see immediate and dramatic turnarounds and results when you can successfully break down the worst of bitch shields. Its often immediate attraction.

Quote:It makes it sound like pussy completely controls you by saying "it doesnt matter what a chick does or says as long as you get to fuck"

Again, true of you remain in beta mode. Not true of you do not.

Quote:I wont accept ANY level of disrespect with the HOPES that I can fuck this dry pussy bitch thats got it in her mind that Im not worthy of respect.

Why is she a "dry pussy bitch"? You would be taking her insult too personally. What do you care what some random dumb broad spews out of her mouth, good or bad? lol... The fact that she, an anonymous woman, can so readily affect your emotional state to where you think of her as a "dry pussy bitch" will severely inhibit your game with hotter women in general. You can't care that much.

Don't even process negativity from women, UNLESS you would never fuck her based on her LOOKS. If her sexual value is very low, and she insults you, then put that nasty cunt in her place. But you cant think like that with fuckable women. And its not because you are sacrificing anything for a fuck. Its a general frame of mind that you have to have with all women who are good looking and therefore "in the game". Insulting a hot woman, any hot woman, because she insults you drops your value. It just does. You have to be in the practice of maintaining or raising your value, past where it is, around women who are in the game. You cant be selective with this and feel emotionally vulnerable with some who insult you, and then turn around and expect to be successful with others. Her insults are like the sound of a breeze that you can barely hear at worst, and endearing at best. Remember, she's the prey...your this huge alpha with claws (to paraphrase the movie swingers).

Quote:Its almost like you feel like this is the last hoe on earth when you feel like you have to take whatever this bitch gives you JUST so you can TRY to fuck.....lol

No, that's not what its like at all. Its actually quite the opposite. If you CARE about what she says, then your acting like she's the last hoe on earth. If your world is full of hot women that you fuck regularly, then would you ever waste emotional energy on one snotty woman? Fuck no!! You'd be one of the happiest motherfuckers on the planet and what she said wouldn't even register. You'd probably keep your smile and try to seduce her anyway, or at least get a smile out of her. Getting negative shows her that your world is not full of sex, options, and other sexual selection factors that make you attractive to women. Again, you cant turn this on and off. You have to be this way all the time, or else you wont give the right "non-needy" vibe to any woman. Instead, you will come off as frustrated, emotionally vulnerable, undersexed, and not pre-selected by other women.

And I'm not going to TRY to fuck. I am GOING to fuck. That's the mind-frame and the confidence that she is looking for and that you have to have (even if you're just thinking it). Much of the time, that's the level of confidence that a woman like this is screening for. If you think like this, your only problem will be figuring out when to tone down your alpha demeanor, not how to turn it up to attract women.

Post: #40

"Bitch: "No. YOU'RE leaving."

Tuthmosis: "Who peed on your cornflakes today?"

That is some funny shit lol. I got rejected pretty hard by a super bitch I approached the other night. It was at a club with hella loud music so she couldn't hear what I would have to say unless i went out of my way to speak into her ear. I was thinking of a similar response to this.

Bitch: WHAT?! What do you want!?

Tony Snow: "Whoah. What's your deal I tried to just say something to you and you look at me like someone just took a crap on your face." And then just walk away.

Post: #41

I have a lot more patience with people than I used to but I still get pissed when someone disrespects me for no reason. I've told a few girls "you're kind of ugly up close anyways" after they tried to blow me off when I walked up to them. I just need one line I can use on every girl to mess with their heads when im in this situation. Just one good one that won't ever fail

Post: #42

Man I think some of you guys are really missing out on an important part of the game. These girls are usually the fastest to drop their panties, usually are more open in bed, and like being dominated in every aspect of life (by a respectable alpha). You just have to be in control of your life. These girls want men, and they want to be lead.

Furthermore, learning to game these girls effectively will help you out TREMENDOUSLY in other aspects of life, mostly when dealing with other idiot males who act hard or tough only because they themselves are insecure. The 'fake alpha' will result to physical escelation at any moment he realizes your value is higher than his. Thus losing control of his life and surroundings, mainly to prove a point that even though you have three girls at your table, he is a man and can beat you up.

By staying in control of the frame, you can effectively SHUT HIM DOWN (bitchy female game as well) while making him feel stupid WITHOUT ACTUALLY INSULTING him/her. You not only increase your value in his eyes, but any females who see you shut a 'proven' alpha down with a few words and nonchalance will throw themselves at you (own the men and you own the women)

An example off the top of my head: Bar in LA, a buddy and I are out and are sitting at a table of 4 MILFs we just started gamming. 2 roiders, def used to being 'alphas' walk in and immediately single me out, point at me, and yell loud enough for everyone to hear "THIS GUY IS A FAGGOT!" (I somehow have an uncanny ability to bring the unsolicited hatred out of dudes like this) I stood up, and asked just as loud "How did you get so intimidating?" Shut his ass up right then and there bc if he continues, he is showing my dominace. Best and only option he had was to move on and pick on someone else.

Moral of the post is I think when you get these bitchy responses (almost everytime) it is a sign she is ready to be gammed by a real man and will reward you for being so.

Post: #43

My 2 cents, you have to, for want of a better word, to be emotionally detached i reckon.

Your buttons can only be pushed if you allow it to be.

Post: #44

The right way to handle a super bitch is the same way you should deal with all women. Treat them as if they're a child... nothing they say is to be taken seriously.

Post: #45

The responses above are good, but too wordy and unlikely to be heard and understood well in a loud setting like a club.
Trying to sound sarcastic while shouting and leaning to her ear is not going to come out too well, so I think the best option is to act unfazed and move on.

Now, in other settings other responses might be more appropriate. I remember at a pool party I was trying to pick up this beautiful russian girl dancing at the pool edge. She just extended her hand, palm facing me, and said "zamalchi" ("shut up" in russian) - so I tried to push her into the pool. Too bad her friends got her just before she fell in, or it would have turned out very funny (for me).

Post: #46

(05-18-2011 07:43 AM)K-man Wrote:  The responses above are good, but too wordy and unlikely to be heard and understood well in a loud setting like a club.

Three words "You're FAT!". Best comeback ever.

Post: #47

(05-10-2011 05:20 PM)sylo Wrote:  Man I think some of you guys are really missing out on an important part of the game. These girls are usually the fastest to drop their panties, usually are more open in bed, and like being dominated in every aspect of life (by a respectable alpha). You just have to be in control of your life. These girls want men, and they want to be lead.

(05-10-2011 05:49 PM)Gmac Wrote:  The right way to handle a super bitch is the same way you should deal with all women. Treat them as if they're a child... nothing they say is to be taken seriously.

I agree with both of these sentiments. First of all, a girl with the thickest, harshest bitch shield isn't always rotten all the way through. In fact, that bitch shield has often preserved a soft, mushy inside well against random sausage intrusions. Remember: actual "nice girls" (from a generation or two ago) were taught, by good parents, to slam guys and not talk to them. Those ladies became our mothers and grandmothers.

Short of screaming "FUUUUUCK YOU! POLICE! POLICE!" at the top of her lungs, I'm going to retort to any silly comment from a girl--especially in a night venue.

Regardless of what you say or do, telegraphing that you're the bigger person--above her trifling little objections and problems--is your best bet. I remember hearing a podcast years ago from Juggler (from the old-time "PUA" camp) saying that his response, to even the most brutal rejections, was a hearty belly-laugh.

Back then, I remember trying it and having it work rather well. Some of those old methods never stop working.

Post: #48

(05-08-2011 10:49 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote:Taken whatever a bitch dishes you and just accepting it all because you THINK you MIGHT be able to fuck makes you look super weak.

nah...but I don't think you quite get the demeanor that I'm referring to. Yeah, okay, if you only have the ability to continue to act like a fawning beta around her then your right. In that instance, you should cut your losses and walk away. Definitely do it with dignity, though, and don't lose emotional control by throwing a hissy fit of insults at her.

Quote:If a bitch has the mindset to totally shit on you in public before even knowing anything about you, news flash, fucking you is probably the last thing on her mind. lol

again, nah... remember that your engaged in a game. A social and sexual game. She's just playing it a certain way. If you cant play the game her way, or change it to your way AND win by fucking her, then you lose. If your okay with that, then fine. But if your not, then you need to learn to play it better. News flash for you, a test like this is a HUGE advantage for you IF you know how to pass it. That's because passing it says more about you to her than a whole night of average game will. You will often see immediate and dramatic turnarounds and results when you can successfully break down the worst of bitch shields. Its often immediate attraction.

Quote:It makes it sound like pussy completely controls you by saying "it doesnt matter what a chick does or says as long as you get to fuck"

Again, true of you remain in beta mode. Not true of you do not.

Quote:I wont accept ANY level of disrespect with the HOPES that I can fuck this dry pussy bitch thats got it in her mind that Im not worthy of respect.

Why is she a "dry pussy bitch"? You would be taking her insult too personally. What do you care what some random dumb broad spews out of her mouth, good or bad? lol... The fact that she, an anonymous woman, can so readily affect your emotional state to where you think of her as a "dry pussy bitch" will severely inhibit your game with hotter women in general. You can't care that much.

Don't even process negativity from women, UNLESS you would never fuck her based on her LOOKS. If her sexual value is very low, and she insults you, then put that nasty cunt in her place. But you cant think like that with fuckable women. And its not because you are sacrificing anything for a fuck. Its a general frame of mind that you have to have with all women who are good looking and therefore "in the game". Insulting a hot woman, any hot woman, because she insults you drops your value. It just does. You have to be in the practice of maintaining or raising your value, past where it is, around women who are in the game. You cant be selective with this and feel emotionally vulnerable with some who insult you, and then turn around and expect to be successful with others. Her insults are like the sound of a breeze that you can barely hear at worst, and endearing at best. Remember, she's the prey...your this huge alpha with claws (to paraphrase the movie swingers).

Quote:Its almost like you feel like this is the last hoe on earth when you feel like you have to take whatever this bitch gives you JUST so you can TRY to fuck.....lol

No, that's not what its like at all. Its actually quite the opposite. If you CARE about what she says, then your acting like she's the last hoe on earth. If your world is full of hot women that you fuck regularly, then would you ever waste emotional energy on one snotty woman? Fuck no!! You'd be one of the happiest motherfuckers on the planet and what she said wouldn't even register. You'd probably keep your smile and try to seduce her anyway, or at least get a smile out of her. Getting negative shows her that your world is not full of sex, options, and other sexual selection factors that make you attractive to women. Again, you cant turn this on and off. You have to be this way all the time, or else you wont give the right "non-needy" vibe to any woman. Instead, you will come off as frustrated, emotionally vulnerable, undersexed, and not pre-selected by other women.

And I'm not going to TRY to fuck. I am GOING to fuck. That's the mind-frame and the confidence that she is looking for and that you have to have (even if you're just thinking it). Much of the time, that's the level of confidence that a woman like this is screening for. If you think like this, your only problem will be figuring out when to tone down your alpha demeanor, not how to turn it up to attract women.

Im not here to play psychological mind games with bitches. it doesnt make my dick rise when a bitch disses me. I dont feel compelled or some uncontrollable urge to want to fuck her now.

its too many compliant women thats gone be down from the jump for me to be wasting my time with some stuck up hoe who is "testing" me to see whether or not Im worthy of her.

fuck her

while you wasting your time trying to win over some stupid bitch....i done met three that were on my dick from the time I hit the door.

a lot of yall need to get this alpha/beta shit out of your head

your indirectly putting the pussy on a pedastal when you feel as though you are "beta" if you dont win over some nothing happening bitch who felt compelled to tell you to fuck off as soon as you opened your confident mouth.

your basicly letting women and their approval of you, define you.

Post: #49

while i don't consider myself an authority on any social subject, i think that any attempt of comeback or similar = defeat. by trying to do it you show reaction to the rude behavior which means that you were affected by it and we all know it's a DLV. i agree that a laughter might be appropriate but even that is not necessary. the way i see it, if a guy has a tons of wimminz already, he won't give a shit about that one woman, he'll let her go pronto. it's kinda like getting upset about a can of flat coca-cola or cold mcdonalds meal or something.

Post: #50

(02-01-2011 01:46 PM)MiXX Wrote:  I have witnessed alpha guys with great game really get mentally beaten down by a simple hand gesture and 1 word blurted out by a potential target, or one of her cock-blocking girlfriends. That word is "goodbye" (in a bitchy, arrogant tone) and it plays out something like this:

The target (or a cock-blocker in her party) lifts her hand, while she is looking away from the man and says in a bitchy tone "goodbye" (shooing you away). Normally, girls who do this feel they are in a position of power over you, and if you were to immediately leave, it demonstrates lower value because you are seen as "obeying" her command.

So, what do you players here come back with when a girl is on a super bitch power-trip and does not even let you get one word out before she is raising her hand "goodbye" and shooing you away as if you were a fly?

I saw one girl do this to 4 guys in a row in a club setting, funny thing is I did not see this guy approach anymore girls after he was psychologically beaten, and probably called it a night when there were more targets around.

I personally would respond, "Goodbye? (pause) - wow, you truly are the cunt I perceived you were - goodbye!".

Mixx

Smack her hand down out my face smack her on the a$$ and walk away.

She'll be talking (and thinking about) you the whole night pissed.

Then may see you later that night and she come back and say some weak BS like " what you did was very disrespectful" say so.....and the game jumps off from there.