Post: #26

It's always great when guys share pics of the real girls they're pulling. No one fucks models all the time, but these girls are cute no doubt.

If you are fucking models all the time, please, share pics and techniques. I'm sure everyone would love to know how to only fuck 10s.

Post: #27

(04-13-2013 07:12 PM)Ilikekane Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 05:58 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Kane,

Do you have any tips to optimize China game for ABCs (American Born Chinese)?

Yeah, tell girls as soon as possible your an ABC.

It's a great dhv.

Learn to speak Chinese if you can't, learn more "Asian" like humor.

Find a white guy to go out with so u can leverage as much value from both sides of the coin

Thanks, that's helpful, and in line with what I thought.

Do you recommend ABC's open with english then transition to chinese? I can speak chinese fairly well, but I was wondering if it'd be less convincing or would have less of a "pop" effect if I opened in Chinese.

Post: #28

@SHANbangs
I would say just open in Chinese. One, they will understand you much better, and two, they will be able to tell pretty much right away that you are not native speaker anyway, so they would probably guess you are an ABC, and that could be another topic to talk about (i.e. they might ask you where you are from).

Your niche would be the types who likes more of a western mentality, but feels a non-Asian is a bit too different. As for the recommendation of hanging out with expats, just know that a lot of the girls who frequent the typical expat locations are the types who are into white guys.

Post: #29

im not sure an abc speaking chinesr will ever "pop" nearly as much as a white guy. most of the huayi ive met grew up speaking either mandarin or a dialect

Post: #30

Buy some of those Ivy League school t-shirts so as soon as they see you they will know you're from the US, or at least think you're a rich enough chinese to afford to go there, either way go from there.

Post: #31

(04-09-2013 11:00 PM)RawGod Wrote:  Kane, how long have you studied Chinese?

How would you recommend a guy go about getting the 8s and 9s with beginner Chinese? I would guess that the girls who speak English and go to clubs and online are generally 5s to 7s.

Ok here we go:

1.
I've learnt Chinese by myself by always talking to girls/people every day all the time.

Every time i buy some food, it's always from a Chinese person which presents me with an opportunity to practice my spoken Chinese.

My second month here i bought an electronic translator which i used to start sending and reading text messages in Chinese (the translations were pretty bad but it still helped me learn a lot as i could write the characters and it would teach me the stroke order).


2. Getting the higher level girls:

This depends on what you define as a '8,9,10'.

Some guys say someones 10 is another person 5, when i hear this i usually just think one of those people is deluding themselves....

I will post some photos of the girls i've gamed in the last 3 or 4 days and you can tell me what you think of them (i'm not overly fond of the number system but for the sake of answering your question we can use it).


Generally getting access to the best girls in China requires one of two things:

1. Good Game: Good language skills, easily conveyable value, good sarging logistics

Speaking Chinese well helps a lot because a lot of the high end girls don't need to learn English very well (Some do as it's important to the 'face' of the family or they want to live over seas so they can help their family immigrate, usually their English level would be a 5 out of 10 which is conversational with some bumps) as their life plan is to go to ktv, sing, eat, drink, wake up, go shopping, have some more delicious meals, take a rest and repeat.

Easily conveyable value: Get a job at a bar as a bar tender or ANYTHING.
Have a job in a real company instead of teaching English (being a manager or anything at a decent company is gonna help a lot).

Good sarging logistics i.e ACCESS TO THE GIRLS.

This is the hardest part as the hottest girls usually go to more private places, you can find them by running around the mall but it's not easy, there are also more 'upper class' shopping centres i should check out.



2. Social circle.


Most important thing is knowing people.

I would seriously suggest meeting people everywhere all the time and just becoming one big connection freak.

If you can make friends with the majority of people you meet you will stumble across a decent social circle eventually.

You could also go hit up Universities that have rich chicks:

I picked up a girl last night who is high class (very different from the majority of Chinese i meet - most are middle class) and you can tell the difference in how they look at the world, treat people and behave, these girls aren't very common though as most of the time they are surrounded by their social circles and are very very hard to get access too.

This girl last night is studying in a University that produces graduates destined for the entertainment industry (tv, movies ect ect ect)
She wants to be a director rather than a model or singer or actor simply because if you're a model, to climb the ladder you have to do it with your legs open (or have extremely mad connections....which is very hard to have).

She had an Iphone5 that had the pink enamel around it (custom made or limited edition or something) and told me a lot about herself which led me to understand her family is super super well off.

When i met her it was on the street at about 3am and she was crying, so i opened her, showed a lot of concern and stayed with her for like 4 hours, its a long story and the point here is this:

I could only get this girl because she had very recently had a foreign BF who she had just broken up with hours before she met me and she was alone and not with her friends who were inside the club (she'd gone outside to answer the phone), lastly because she was really friendly and outgoing whereas most girls of her status aren't super interested in foreigners (being with foreigners is a loss of face for a lot of high end Chinese, we have less money and we usually can't speak the language very well)


I would also suggest you go to bars that aren't the standard 'Chinese' clubs. (Shanghai: Zeal, Mint, Bar Rouge, Richy)

As at these clubs you usually find the richer people (anywhere with a cover charge).



So I've mentioned a bunch of different things that help you get higher end girls, if you aren't super great in one area then leverage the others as much as possible.

Pics in the next post.

Post: #32

Throwing out some photos to give you guys an idea of the girls you can expect to find in China, tried to do my best by finding photos that aren't over the top photo shopped (as girls like photoshop!).

Shopping mall (model)





Shopping mall




Club (student/model, about 175cm, pic doesn't really do her justice)





Mc Donald's at 4something am, after the club.

Post: #33

Street outside club





Mall (This girl is just so so imo)





I met this girl via a program called WeChat, all Chinese use it and I did next to nothing other than talk to her in Chinese.






I met this girl yesterday when i was going home, I said something random to the girl and her bf in front of the girl in the pic and it made her look at me, the eye contact held her in place for a second or so, immediately said stop, walked over and told her in Chinese that the escalator is dangerous (it's just a normal escalator), grabbed her arm and pulled her away from it.
Talked for like 5 mins number closed and kept moving (logistical issues at the time for both her and I).





Shopping mall (model)





Small Convenience store.




An ex of mine from Beijing from like a year ago.

Post: #34

(04-14-2013 02:51 AM)Pacific Wrote:  @SHANbangs
I would say just open in Chinese. One, they will understand you much better, and two, they will be able to tell pretty much right away that you are not native speaker anyway, so they would probably guess you are an ABC, and that could be another topic to talk about (i.e. they might ask you where you are from).

Your niche would be the types who likes more of a western mentality, but feels a non-Asian is a bit too different. As for the recommendation of hanging out with expats, just know that a lot of the girls who frequent the typical expat locations are the types who are into white guys.

Your advice is pretty good so long as the guy has a strong enough American/Western accent.

If it's Day Game then i would say you should open in Chinese and either use a strong accent or make some mistake with your Chinese to make her understand you're definitely not some random Chinese dude opening her.

Night Game - Use English, as she won't be able to tell you're not Chinese if you're in a loud club.

Also typically ABCs dress different from the standard Chinese guys...pretty easy to spot.

I didn't say go to expat locations, i said make friends with a white guy and go out clubbing with him.

The expat bars are usually full or trash to average girls or girls who've had a decent amount of foreign guys already.

I usually go to Chinese style clubs where the girls are like what you described :


""""Your niche would be the types who likes more of a western mentality, but feels a non-Asian is a bit too different. As for the recommendation of hanging out with expats, just know that a lot of the girls who frequent the typical expat locations are the types who are into white guys."""

I like to get these types of girls except they are also interested in trying things with a Westerner.

Post: #35

(04-14-2013 06:21 AM)eestarter Wrote:  Buy some of those Ivy League school t-shirts so as soon as they see you they will know you're from the US, or at least think you're a rich enough chinese to afford to go there, either way go from there.

This is also actually a very good idea as Chinese people place a lot of value on coming from a good school and all that.

I knew this Chinese dude who carried around a LV ManBag/Purse thing (i thought it was a girls, he said it was a guys), he was creepy and didn't have much Game but he would get some girls hooking and giving him attention as they thought he had cash.

If you wanted to do the same thing you could buy one at a fake market for like 100rmb or less (probably), I personally won't bother as I like to do things the hard way, it's a good idea though.



Another idea I had recently that I'm gonna test next weekend on the BC this:

I'm gonna buy a white T shirt and write the following on the front and back:
(in Chinese)


SINGLE
Can Speak Chinese
Phone#:
Wechat: (and write in my number and wechat ID)

I will be doing DG and NG all weekend with the guys so it will be interesting to see if i get any girls contacting me via my 0% effort.


It may be a waste of time or it may get some attention, either way it's gonna be fun to try.

Post: #36

I met this girl in the shopping mall, she is a model and travels between SH and HK, haven't progressed things yet as I'm only getting bullshit texts and flakey agreements to meet.

I would consider this girl a 9, if she was a bit taller then probably a ten, having not made any real progress with this girl I can't say how good the measurements and all that are....

This is the "high end" of Chinese girls.

The first pic is how she was dressed when I first met her.

Post: #37

If only some of these hybrid chinese with eyes the same colour as their fake contacts existed like those rare green eye asians, though the blue eyed ones just look weird.

It could work Kane girls always add me on QQ just from using the search function and just start talking to me because they can see my photo, that or my username or description cant recall which just says 'Im white' hahaha.
Expect to get some that are guys though posing as girls just to practice their english though pretty easy to spot, but no doubt they'll be like 'oww white' and you'll look behind have a trail of girls following while typing the number into their phone hahaha, im sure some will think its so bold to do that and love it.

Just a random question for all the guys out there who talk to chinese girls, i guess most are brought up to be i guess like america like america is number 1 sort of thing, but in chinas case china is number 1 and everything about it is the best we're so advanced (still squat over a hole but hey advanced.....).
I sometimes get into discussions with girls about not politics but just certain things about the country, im sure some have come across the 'i hate japanese and japanese products' because of the whole nanjing thing or just other really blindly following the bs they were taught in schools, this has a 2 way effect and ends in either just walking off or blocking on QQ or only if they're super hot pursuing but only if its easy enough because sooner or later that damn pro chinese thing pops back in my head and i just cant wait to get rid of them.

I've encountered some which are completely opposite which are awesome, but those pro china and oh eating babies is ok etc is oh tradition or w/e (yeah in some places this happens, and even though they may say its not good they still say its part of our culture) i can only accept dumbness to a level, who cares if its your culture!.
But yeah anyone else noticed this like unwaivering support to the big red flag bs? this is just such a crusher for me on the one hand its like i just want to close and leave just because im so annoyed at them being so stupid to believe this stuff, but the other hand is i dont know if i can deal with that if it ever comes up.
Cant keep friends with those types at all, i guess it depends on which school they go to i guess and if their lecturer is a hate spewing one, or a more liberal westernized one.

Post: #38

Errrrr.....so what's your point? Ur post seems to be about qq and the loyal Chinese mindset.....is there anything relevant u were trying to say?

I don't meet girls like the ones you've described.

Post: #39

Yeah was just curious if anyone else has dealt with those annoying types, no one has mentioned them before. Or if its just my luck where i seem to keep finding them?
If you're not looking for anything longterm you wouldnt have to deal with it really, but if you wanted a LTR or a social circle im sure it'd pop up a bit more.

Yeah might of been a bit of a rant, just woke up >.<

Post: #40

Awesome insight Kane and eestarter! Keep'em coming boys!
Those are some hot girls there man! Good stuff! how long have you been in China? How long have you been learning Chinese? Did you take any courses or just learned it on your own?
Is it worth it to use QQ if you're not coming to China for a few months? Can it be used as a pipelining tool or only for when you're physically in China?

I did open a QQ account last fall when I was in Guangzhou but didn't use it at all.

(04-14-2013 02:24 PM)Ilikekane Wrote:  [quote='eestarter' pid='420109' dateline='1365938498']
Buy some of those Ivy League school t-shirts so as soon as they see you they will know you're from the US, or at least think you're a rich enough chinese to afford to go there, either way go from there.

That's a great tip! How about t-shirts in other languages like say French, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian? Do they also carry the same
attraction/prestige than the English ones?

Quote:Another idea I had recently that I'm gonna test next weekend on the BC this:

I'm gonna buy a white T shirt and write the following on the front and back:
(in Chinese)

SINGLE
Can Speak Chinese
Phone#:
Wechat: (and write in my number and wechat ID)

I will be doing DG and NG all weekend with the guys so it will be interesting to see if i get any girls contacting me via my 0% effort.

It may be a waste of time or it may get some attention, either way it's gonna be fun to try.

Ahahaha. That's an excellent one! That's hilarious! Please do try it and report back! I'm thinking of doing that too!

Post: #41

(04-14-2013 04:55 PM)Ilikekane Wrote:  I met this girl in the shopping mall, she is a model and travels between SH and HK, haven't progressed things yet as I'm only getting bullshit texts and flakey agreements to meet.

I would consider this girl a 9, if she was a bit taller then probably a ten, having not made any real progress with this girl I can't say how good the measurements and all that are....

This is the "high end" of Chinese girls.

The first pic is how she was dressed when I first met her.

Kane, I swear to god I think you just picked up Angelababy! Jesus Christ.

Yeah, the problem with me is that I have absolutely no accent to my Chinese - you can only tell I'm an ABC by my mannerisms, dress, and limited chinese vocab.

Post: #42

For those who don't know, Angelababy is a well known model/actress in China. She's not that popular because she doesn't do a lot of acting gigs, but I would say almost everyone knows who she is.

Post: #43

I recommend QQ. Just about everyone has it, so if nothing else it serves as a communication method. People will also give their QQ out much more freely than a phone number. Having it makes you seem a little more in touch with the culture, too.

Post: #44

Good stuff Kane. I'm also in Shanghai and can second that We Chat is a monstrously efficient tool, haha.

(04-15-2013 03:38 AM)Osiris Wrote:  I recommend QQ. Just about everyone has it, so if nothing else it serves as a communication method. People will also give their QQ out much more freely than a phone number. Having it makes you seem a little more in touch with the culture, too.

Post: #45

I'm using WeChat in a major American city right now on the recommendation of a friend. I've never been to China but I have pulled a date or two off it as a result. Mostly FOB's who want to "practice their English" with me. heh.

Post: #46

The Chinese girls I ran across and got the bang were KINKY.....

Language was a huge problem but when I found girls that spoke Engrish they were very easy to talk to altho alot of them seemed shyish about their english. My favorite part about China was going to the expat bar strips an having hot girls from all over the worl there... Good times

Post: #47

Hah, you must be one of the rare ones then. I assumed you would have an accent because all the ABC's I know, I can tell right away that they are ABC when they speak Chinese..... or maybe you just think you have absolutely no accent? But the mannerism and clothing is probably enough.

(04-15-2013 03:24 AM)SHANbangs Wrote:  Yeah, the problem with me is that I have absolutely no accent to my Chinese - you can only tell I'm an ABC by my mannerisms, dress, and limited chinese vocab.

Post: #48

(04-15-2013 03:38 AM)Osiris Wrote:  I recommend QQ. Just about everyone has it, so if nothing else it serves as a communication method. People will also give their QQ out much more freely than a phone number. Having it makes you seem a little more in touch with the culture, too.

While I totally agree, I would like to add they wechat has the same benefit of being a lower level of compliance (for some reason giving out wechat is ok but sometimes the phone number isn't).

I have QQ and I find it annoying and clunky therefore I always just use wechat.

Also everyone is using wechat on their smart phone constantly due to the moments feature.

Post: #49

"""Good stuff Kane. I'm also in Shanghai and can second that We Chat is a monstrously efficient tool, haha.""""

Haha yeah!
Lets go out sometime!
Pm me ur wechat id

Mook is so awesome now, probably the best club in Sh at the moment.

Post: #50

(04-15-2013 09:32 AM)Fatless Wrote:  I'm using WeChat in a major American city right now on the recommendation of a friend. I've never been to China but I have pulled a date or two off it as a result. Mostly FOB's who want to "practice their English" with me. heh.

I can probably help you quadruple that, get "MoMo" 陌陌

It's essentially an app that is based around finding hook ups, just download it, add good photos and spam something direct and intriguing.

I tested it in Hk and Sh and it was very minimal effort to get laid.

20 mins of messaging in Hk got me two main land Chinese girls who were dtf.

An hour or so of messaging in Sh got me an ons with another mainland Chinese girl.