Post: #51

(04-13-2013 06:09 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 06:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I think it's time MikeCF and basil put each other on ignore. I will delete any further attack posts.

These West Coast guys gotta learn to get along. These problems never go down from us on the other side. We know what's up.

I don't really view my posts as attacking and I've never viewed basil's as attacking me.

No one has talked shit about wives, girlfriends, family members, personal flaws (like if a guy had a disability or brother with Down's Syndrome or something) etc. I.e., no real "low blows."

It's just good-natured banter with an element of shit talking.

I think West Coast guys are just less angry than East Coast guys. We can talk a little shit with each other but not actually have beef because we know it's all in good fun and at the end of the day, we don't care.

So you East Coast guys can't understand our style and swagger.

Bitter winters make guys angrier, which is why East Coast guys have to be more guarded with their words. You guys are walking around angry at Mother Nature and looking to hurt each other.

Oh, you have hot summers, too, with high humidity.

It's a culture thing.

West Coast > East Coast.

Post: #52

^^^ No. Us E. Coast guys are bitter cause we have 53 y.o. women still thinking they serve a function, other than scaring children out of their yards. At least in your neck of the woods they get tit jobs and plastic surgery of the face.

Post: #53

The problem with these older broads that still look ok is that they can still get laid if they want to. These bitches just need to put their profile up on a dating website with pics of themselves in tight jeans or yoga pants, and thirsty dudes will start to message them out of the woodwork. This gives them the delusion that they can still "lock a guy down," when in reality it is just that there are so many thirsty dudes in the USA that even a fifty-something woman that is not fat will get lots of dudes jocking to bang her once or twice.

Post: #54

(04-13-2013 05:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  your own standards are pretty low?

Chick is gross.

Have you young guys ever been with a significantly older woman? There is no essential physical difference. Based on these pics, I would date this woman before the average 38-year-old woman in D.C. (but not long-term). I just walked out after meeting my last 38-year-old date, because she looked older and uglier than this 53-year-old.

An IT manager is the most boring, beta cubicle job around, even if it pays well. Washington, D.C. is overflowing with doctors and lawyers, and this guy does not appear rich. He is bald, a little ugly, overweight, with shitty style. What does he offer? She looks out of his league.

Edit: This Aliblaha guy is agreeing with MikeCF, trying to defect from the East Coast team. I'm going to take him out to see the horrors of East Coast D.C. so he will worship this woman.

Post: #55

(04-13-2013 06:23 PM)Divorco Wrote:  Have you young guys ever been with a significantly older woman? There is no essential physical difference. Based on these pics, I would date this woman before the average 38-year-old woman in D.C. (but not long-term). I just walked out after meeting my last 38-year-old date, because she looked older and uglier than this 53-year-old.

Yep. Went as high as 42.

Also in the same week went from 20 to 28, and in another week from 24 to 33. You could tell a difference between those age ranges. Even 5 years of a woman aging is huge.

Younger chicks smell better, have stronger pheromones, and their skin is just softer and "dewey" to the touch.

You slip your finger down and they are already wet. You don't need involved foreplay. They are just hot and good to go.

I never noticed that stuff when banging chicks my own age. But when you're in your 30s and with a younger girl...Wow.

Some day I'll likely have to slum it with an older broad.

I can't go with "Ignorant is bliss," since I've seen the other side. Guess I'll have to rely on denial.

Post: #56

(04-13-2013 06:23 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 05:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  your own standards are pretty low?

Chick is gross.

Have you young guys ever been with a significantly older woman? There is no essential physical difference. Based on these pics, I would date this woman before the average 38-year-old woman in D.C. (but not long-term). I just walked out after meeting my last 38-year-old date, because she looked older and uglier than this 53-year-old.

An IT manager is the most boring, beta cubicle job around, even if it pays well. Washington, D.C. is overflowing with doctors and lawyers, and this guy does not appear rich. He is bald, a little ugly, overweight, with shitty style. What does he offer? She looks out of his league.

Edit: This Aliblaha guy is agreeing with MikeCF, trying to defect from the East Coast team. I'm going to take him out to see the horrors of East Coast D.C. so he will worship this woman.

You're meeting ugly ass 38 yr olds then, as a guy who banged alot of older women in his teens, I can without a doubt say that that a woman who takes care of herself in her late 30's will always look better than a 50 yr old. It's just common sense bro. 18 yr old will look better than the 28 yr old and so on. It just sounds like you can't consistently pull decent looking 38 yr olds.

Post: #57

(04-13-2013 05:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 05:30 PM)basilransom Wrote:  I like your feminine style of argument, it really suits you.

More like Shakespearean.

"Basilrandom doth protest too much, methinks."

Bro...If you're going on and on about how great this girl is and how many options she has...Don't you think guys are gonna (rationally) infer that your own standards are pretty low?

Chick is gross. Period. Can she get gross guys with no options who are dead beat losers? Sure.

But that's not really the theme here. We're not trying to look at things from the angle of losers. We are elevating our vantage point.

Now, don't get me wrong. I like to argue/verbally spar for its own sake. It's fun. So if that's what you're doing, "Game recognize game."

But the way you and Divorco and some other guys go at it, it really makes me wonder what the hell is up with you guys.

You guys really seem to go out of your way to advocate on behalf of past their prime hags. Of all the things to play devil's advocate over...That's what you choose?

Show a representative sample of 50 year old women, say 50-55, that demonstrates this woman is average or worse, in that age group, and I'd retract my point. If she asked me if she could do better than this dude, I'd say 'yes.'

The average BMI for women her age in America is 28, 27 if you just look at whites. That is fucking fat. The 25th percentile is 24, which is still fat. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf On weight alone, ~85% of women her age are not even in the game, because they're fat.

Post: #58

(04-13-2013 06:34 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  You're meeting ugly ass 38 yr olds then, as a guy who banged alot of older women in his teens, I can without a doubt say that that a woman who takes care of herself in her late 30's will always look better than a 50 yr old. It's just common sense bro. 18 yr old will look better than the 28 yr old and so on. It just sounds like you can't consistently pull decent looking 38 yr olds.

Divorce needs a West Coast makeover.

He needs to get an apartment a few blocks from Golds' in Venice. Join the gym.

See a bunch of jacked, ripped guys in their 50s and 60s. He'll even run into Lou Ferringno, who looks a fuck load better than I do. (Other than the bad hair and saggy skin, most of the old guys in Venice are bigger and better conditioned than me and 90% of my peer group.)

Start making conversation with these old guys. Learn how to manipulate his body's biochemistry. Get connections with the right doctors.

Divorco is a project of mine. I'm "mean" to him because I like him and think he is not living up to his potential. If he were hopeless I'd ignore him. He will see the light.

Soon he'll laugh at his old posts.

Right now he's still stuck in the mindset that he needs to live on the East Coast and play by the rules...dating old broads, not spending some cash to improve one's biochemistry, etc.

It doesn't have to be that way....

Post: #59

Not sure which way to put it here. They both look pretty low in the dating market. I got the feeling that they were mutually a little disgusted by their options.

Post: #60

(04-13-2013 02:00 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I hate to be the bearer of bad news to the manosphere guys of the future, but women's standards don't change with age. If anything they get raised.

There was a blog post by Roissy/Heartiste a few years back that made this point by picking apart an article (neither of which I can find). Anyway, the point was that once women have dated a bunch of Alphas and then start earning serious money in their late 30s, they feel entitled to more than they did in their twenties. It's only in their mid-fifties and beyond women drop the standards.

I'm a bit older than most of you and I've seen this first hand: 45-year-old women with kids demanding Mr. Perfect. To their credit, some look really good, and I'm sure their egos are stroked by all the Beta losers who endlessly compliment them (which adds to their delusions, by the way).

So where younger women will say "I don't care as long as he's cute!" Older women (who are by now "Alpha widows") think they can pick men out like clothes, making insanely detailed demands regarding everything from height to salary to whether you own a boat (yes, I've actually seen the last of these).

Also, competition is not necessarily tougher for women at this age. A lot of women remain married and others have "given up on men," while still others are obese beyond description. So the hot ones are really in demand, although that's probably hard to believe if you're 21. The bad news is that if you plan on spending your life single it's not necessarily going to get easier per se as you hit your forties.

The good news is that you don't have to go for women in this age bracket -- you can always date younger. Or foreign. The mistake this guy made (besides not doing a few things to look younger*) is that he requested a woman around his own age.

* My suggestions for him: shave the entire head, grow a goatee, lose a few to get rid of the chubby cheeks. And if you don't look good in a goatee, get laser hair removal to lose the 5:00 shadow. It'll all be grey soon anyway. And finally, if you look dorky when you smile naturally (as me and this guy both do) practice in the mirror ways of looking good and learn to do that in public, like an actor.

What do older women think of a 40 year old guy that never ages like this?

Post: #61

Quote:Brag a little:

Girl: Well I, like, make a lot of money, like working on the Hill and, like, I am SOOOOOOOOOO up to date on my Sex and the City, The Office, Girls and Presidential Debates!

Nonpareil: I don't make a shit ton of money, but I live a life that I enjoy and I do not suffer from lack of female companionship.

Your Type:

Girl: Tall, but not, like, too tall, y'know? Blah blah. He should have a decent job and a nice place, with like a cool TV for all my TV-watching needs, and as for personality; kind, sweet, but also, like dark and with, like, sort of an edge or something? Still though, he should care about the people in his life, but at the same time be ready to leave them whenever I, like, need him to.

Nonpareil: I'm a man so I don't bullshit; I want someone who is sweet, attractive and fun. Aside from that, for personality, agreeable, happy and kind; just someone who I can spend a day with without once getting annoyed that they're there.

About the Date...

Girl: I mean LOLWTFZORZ!!!? I showed up right at 7 on the nose and he wasn't even there, the fuck? Can't he see, like, what a prize I am!?

Nonpareil: I know this restaurant, my friend works in the kitchen, so I showed up about 30 minutes early, got a seat at the bar and ordered a drink. I recognized her when she came in, though you'd have to wonder how; she barely stood out from the rest of the average girls that this town swims with...you know, short, not that nicely dressed, put together in a frumpy way, could stand to lose about 15-20. When I saw her walk in I turned back to the bar, ordered a rye, chugged it back and sauntered slowly over.

Girl: Okay, I was mad at him for being, like seven minutes late or whatever, blah blah, whatever blah, but he's definitely attractive; tall, muscular (but not in a, like, meathead way) like nicely but, blah, not overly-dressed in a tight black button up and grey jeans. He has a nice smile. I, like, liked what I saw.

Nonpareil: She is decent, not a girl I'd move the Earth to fuck, but not something I'd turn down if it was easy, either. My friend came out with the food, greeted me by my last name and shook my hand and I could tell this chick was into it; I have done this move literally dozens of times, never fails.

Girl: He's sort of, like, brooding and quiet in an intriguing way and despite his prickly outward appearance, seems somewhat kind and, like, soft spoken, and how does he know the chef!? I was, like, impressed with this.

Nonpareil: She works on the hill...okay, that's cool I suppose, I guess I'm not meeting many non-politico drones in this town, but whatever. She seems to live and die by her stories; I like a few TV shows too, but they don't form the nexus of my self-image and I don't see any parallels between the characters in them and myself. I asked her about her job, if she liked it, her friends, her relationship with her family and all of that crap. Her relationship with her father was especially revealing.

Girl: My dad was an asshole blah blah blah; despite working, like, 70 hours a week to put me and my sister through college, I'm, like, resentful that he never made the time for us, and that resentment, like, grew exponentially when my mom divorced him for the tennis instructor. Even though he nodded along with my 245 bullet-points about why SatC is awesome, I feel like he wasn't, like, really hearing what I was saying, you know?

Nonpareil: I was beginning to bore of her preaching the merits of that show with that ugly slag with zero redeeming traits as being the new zeitgeist (Editor's Note: The show is called Girls) and telling me I 'needed' to watch it; why am I going to shell out the subscription fee for HBO? The Sopranos is long gone and if I want to see women behaving badly, there's always happy hour. Anyways, at about 8 I received a call, I told her that I was sorry, but I needed to take it because it was from my grandmother, and we are very close. I went outside the restaurant.

Girl: OMGLOL! Just as I was, like, getting into his story about teaching disabled children English and guitar in China, he receives a phone call from his grandmother! I mean, like, I like that he's close to her, he even told me that when he was freelancing that he would take her to her, like, radiology appointments and whatever, but still...I didn't like, like, not having his full attention for those few minutes.

Nonpareil: I felt like the date wasn't clicking, we're just at different places in life and looking for different things. I walked in after the call, gave her a nice hug and left a 20 for the tip before I left. When I left she practically jumped over the table to give me her phone number, and I texted her mine on the way out of the restaurant.

Rate the Date:

Girl: In spite of the date barely lasting an hour, he was, like, an intriguing conversationalist who, like, had good qualities but a bit of an edge like I like, like. He has my number, I hope he calls me, I'll call it a 4.5/5.

Nonpareil: It was meh; talking about politics and TV is not really my bag but a free meal is a free meal. I was almost thankful that some more pressing business extricated me from the date. 2.5/5.

UPDATE:

Nonpareil's grandmother doesn't even live in town. The call that caused him to leave was from a girl he met a few weeks ago, a 22 year-old student who works part-time as a hostess, telling him that her roommates were out of town and she was sitting there, alone, with a 2-liter bottle of wine that she needed him to help her finish. Three weeks later the girl texted Nonpareil, and he said that he was just staying in and watching a movie, but that she could join him if she felt like it. She went over and they watched the movie from his bed.

Comments:

Typical Feminist Cunt Says: OMG Nonpareil is SUCH an asshole! Girl is presentable, is confident and makes a lot of money! She was a catch, and he wants to go waste his time with some airheaded 22 year old!? And you just KNOW that he and the girl hooked up when they were watching the movie, but he still won't end it with his 22 year old hostess twinkie...UGH, men are such pigs!

Typical Beta Says: Jesus...why do women (including the girl, who, yes, was a catch) continue to go gaga over assholes and badboys, while I always pay for dates, always text back instantly, always offer my time and help and am always kind and supportive, but all I can seem to get is 'Sleeping with you would be like sleeping with my brother'?

Roosh Forum Member Says: I just +1'd Nonpareil for his awesome trolling of Datelab.

Also, attractive for her age or not ('attractive for her age' @ 53 is the mother of all oxymorons; I'm on Mike's side here, beyond a certain age which may or may not be 30, most of them lose 'it', and even though they don't look, feel or smell like they did in college they still expect the same treatment, as we see here), about the only standard she should have is that he has a pulse.

Post: #62

Nothing surprising at all about this article, it's just a reflection of the dating market in the West. Her "Dating Value" is higher than his and she is choosy because she can afford to be. She will have plenty of men chasing her for a date, whereas he could well be struggling. Clearly his dating value would be higher if he went for a foreign woman.

Post: #63

Some of you are showing their male hamsters. Facts are a woman like her is of much higher value in the dating market than a schlub like him. She is relatively attractive for her age, about top 1% or so. That gives her plenty of suitors in her age range (50-65) who would go after her instead of some fat 50 year old.

Post: #64

Post: #65

I'm just glad I'll never have this problem.

Post: #66

(04-14-2013 10:48 AM)jammer Wrote:  Some of you are showing their male hamsters. Facts are a woman like her is of much higher value in the dating market than a schlub like him. She is relatively attractive for her age, about top 1% or so. That gives her plenty of suitors in her age range (50-65) who would go after her instead of some fat 50 year old.

nobody is saying this guy is a great catch, she's just unlikely to find a gu that fits her standards who also wants to commit to her, it's that simple, unless she lower her standards, she's dying alone

Post: #67

(04-13-2013 06:48 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Divorce needs ... to manipulate his body's biochemistry. Get connections with the right doctors.

You sound like an ad from Modern Maturity or Mens Fitness. Are you saying this from first-hand experience, or are you recommending drugs that you have never tried?

Post: #68

(04-13-2013 06:42 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Show a representative sample of 50 year old women, say 50-55, that demonstrates this woman is average or worse, in that age group, and I'd retract my point. If she asked me if she could do better than this dude, I'd say 'yes.'

That's like saying In-N-Out is the best fast food job because they pay better than McDonald's.

If I hear two guys talking about the best fast food jobs out there, I'm not going to think, "I bet those guys are really successful in business!"

So when guys go out of their way to say this woman is hot, I'm not going to think, "I'll be these guys are dating women 10-15 years younger than them."

It may be a false inference, but it's the one most rational people are going to draw.

Post: #69

(04-14-2013 02:31 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 10:48 AM)jammer Wrote:  Some of you are showing their male hamsters. Facts are a woman like her is of much higher value in the dating market than a schlub like him. She is relatively attractive for her age, about top 1% or so. That gives her plenty of suitors in her age range (50-65) who would go after her instead of some fat 50 year old.

nobody is saying this guy is a great catch, she's just unlikely to find a gu that fits her standards who also wants to commit to her, it's that simple, unless she lower her standards, she's dying alone

Yep.

If that guy had been unimpressed with her, none of us would be saying how awesome he is.

They are both losers.

If she doesn't want to settle, fine. That's her life. She can choose to die alone with cats eating her decaying corpse.

But if she thinks she's going to get better, well, good luck with that.

Post: #70

(04-14-2013 04:35 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Yep.

If that guy had been unimpressed with her, none of us would be saying how awesome he is.

They are both losers.

If she doesn't want to settle, fine. That's her life. She can choose to die alone with cats eating her decaying corpse.

But if she thinks she's going to get better, well, good luck with that.

She is going to get better than a some random schlub. I guarantee she can get a rich 60 year old guy. She might not have the options she did at 35, but she can still easily hook a rich guy.

Post: #71

(04-14-2013 05:57 PM)jammer Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 04:35 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Yep.

If that guy had been unimpressed with her, none of us would be saying how awesome he is.

They are both losers.

If she doesn't want to settle, fine. That's her life. She can choose to die alone with cats eating her decaying corpse.

But if she thinks she's going to get better, well, good luck with that.

She is going to get better than a some random schlub. I guarantee she can get a rich 60 year old guy. She might not have the options she did at 35, but she can still easily hook a rich guy.

Theoretically, yes. In a perfectly efficient, frictionless dating market an aging 50-something woman in good shape and looking decent for her advanced age would grab an older rich dude.

But I bet she doesn't "easily hook a rich guy." How many *young* women do, let alone a 53 year old? Come on. She may marry a dude with marginally higher SMV than this dude if she hurries up, but that's about it.

Post: #72

(04-14-2013 05:57 PM)jammer Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 04:35 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Yep.

If that guy had been unimpressed with her, none of us would be saying how awesome he is.

They are both losers.

If she doesn't want to settle, fine. That's her life. She can choose to die alone with cats eating her decaying corpse.

But if she thinks she's going to get better, well, good luck with that.

She is going to get better than a some random schlub. I guarantee she can get a rich 60 year old guy. She might not have the options she did at 35, but she can still easily hook a rich guy.

And yet there she is, wondering why it took Date Lab so long to find her someone...

Post: #73

(04-14-2013 06:32 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 05:57 PM)jammer Wrote:  

(04-14-2013 04:35 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Yep.

If that guy had been unimpressed with her, none of us would be saying how awesome he is.

They are both losers.

If she doesn't want to settle, fine. That's her life. She can choose to die alone with cats eating her decaying corpse.

But if she thinks she's going to get better, well, good luck with that.

She is going to get better than a some random schlub. I guarantee she can get a rich 60 year old guy. She might not have the options she did at 35, but she can still easily hook a rich guy.

Theoretically, yes. In a perfectly efficient, frictionless dating market an aging 50-something woman in good shape and looking decent for her advanced age would grab an older rich dude.

But I bet she doesn't "easily hook a rich guy." How many *young* women do, let alone a 53 year old? Come on. She may marry a dude with marginally higher SMV than this dude if she hurries up, but that's about it.

Old rich guy's don't want women over 50 and even 40 is pushing it.

Half your age plus 7 should be the rule of thumb.

Post: #74

No guy under 65 should consider a woman in her fifties. This guy should spend a year or two working on himself and then date women 10-20 years younger.

Hell, I'm broke and short and still date women born when I was in high school. And for "date" take that as a polite euphemism.

Post: #75

In all honesty I've banged girls around in the 50 range. The pussy was good and they didn't smell creepy.