Post: #26

Let me just point out that it's only the first month and both of us are still trying to figure each other out. I told her since the beginning that if nonsense started ensuing in the relationship, I would let it be known immediately and would end it. Both of us are grown people and we don't need all that extra bullshit in our lives. I'm not afraid to cut people off in my life and she senses that to the fullest extent. If she fucks up, she knows she's done for.

Post: #27

(03-27-2013 08:47 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 08:40 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 08:35 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 08:29 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 07:40 PM)MattC Wrote:  Noooo! No no no! NO!

You fed the hamster, you never feed the hamster!

I'm surprised it took 9 replies but Scorpion has highlighted your problem. What kind of text was that to start off the interaction. "Good morning, I hope you slept well". Seriously lad?

I get it, you like the chick but you will be in a constant tug of war with her for power and right now, you've just let go of the rope with that text.

You shouldn't have texted her 3 times in a row, and you should've replied "lol" after the jackass one then reinitiated a few days later as if nothing happened, assuming she didnt hit you up first.

If you want to progress with this chick you're gonna have to get good at outcome independence (search rational male's blog). Right now it's going downhill as she's baiting the beta in you.

Nah brah, you and a lot of guys on this thread on harping at the wrong thing. There was nothing wrong with his first text. Maybe the women u date have strong demand for alpha/hard game, but I think a customary "good morning, had a good sleep?" is fine in a relationship provided he is already banging the girl. Remember, a relationship implies the two of you are on the same team - much less need for a me vs. you confrontational dynamic.

Besides, I think OP was doing fine midway through this exchange. Him sending her a screenshot of her triple text is a subtle neg that digs at her insecurities. She responded positively by qualifying herself, saying she's not crazy, but she could be crazy if he wanted that. Lots of qualifying and implications that she is attracted enough to him for him to determine what he wants her to be.

The problem with OP's text is the last bit about "all women being crazy." I mean, that's just a really really bad neg. First, she's already qualified herself to you. Second, it's a flat out insult. Third, it implies the OP has insecurities about women. I remember Roissy and a lot of other respectable PUA bloggers mentioning that women don't want to be around men they think are resentful or angry or bitter towards women. This neg was harsh and all around disrespectful. A good neg, and good alpha game in general, is charming, disaffected, and playful.

As for the aftermath, I think OP should just let it breathe for a bit. Then maybe follow up with something low key. Don't hint at you doing anything wrong. Maybe use some "vulnerability game" along the lines of "I've dated some crazy girls, but I like you because you've got a good head on your shoulders."

Most importantly, remember that this guy is in a FRESH relationship. He's already bedded her (I'm assuming that), he's already got the power. He can easily lose that power, but a pleasant "good morning" is not what would cause it.

Huh? You consider that a harsh neg? This isn't a stranger. He's been with her for a month. If a mild offhand comment like that, which is obviously a joke, results in a multi-day tantrum, he is obviously dealing with a loose cannon. She confirms as much with her multiple texts describing how "crazy" she is. This girl is obviously going to be a lot of make believe drama and she'll involve him in these dramas to the extent he continues to show a willingness to engage. That's why people are saying he needs to either cut her off or laugh off the nonsense. Otherwise, he is just spending time managing her nonsense (like he did in this case).

Your first points are quite possible. I don't know her well enough to know that yet. All I know is that all women have a tendency to go psycho, especially on their significant others if left unchecked.

Perhaps "neg" is the wrong word for it. I think it's just a bad offhand comment. It doesn't really add any value that a good neg does - it just causes the female hamster to go into defensive lockdown mode. I'm generally of the view that you don't reveal, remark, or explain to women how fucked up they are. Their hamsters want to believe they are just fine. You popping that illusion just breeds resentment towards you. Better to just implement game and leave things unsaid. But in any case, it seems you've got this under control.

Maybe it's because I mostly date sweet girls (whom i end up hurting, unfortunately), but I don't use that much hard alpha game in a relationship. I'm generally a nice guy and I don't like to just be rude for the hell of it. I'd rather use other elements of game - mystery, wit, charm, and spontaneity - when I'm in a relationship. The girls generally tend to respond very positively, treat me very well, are deferential to me, buy me gifts, etc etc. And these are 7's and 8's, on the whole.

Looking back, yes, you're correct. She became very defensive during the whole ordeal.

I'll take this as a learning experience and tighten up my game. It was rather foolish of me to send that text and I realize it.

Post: #28

(03-27-2013 07:10 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  I sent her a brief text just now saying

no no no no no

stop sending her shit.

stop giving a fuck, seriously stop it.

for one I don't think it was offensive what you said, if she can't take a joke, something is wrong with her.

here's what you do:

DONT SEND HER ANY MESSAGES (unless she mails you)

search for other women.

thats it, simple easy.

once you find a girl that likes you, meet her up for coffee drinks,escalate, bring to your place, bang.

if you cant do that on the first, try again the next week but just invite her over to your place for a movie or whatever.

if you get the bang, cool, see her once a week, if not go find someone else.

eventually the stupid chick will contact you and apologize, or she wont, and you wont have to waste your time trying to analyze texts.

This shit isn't Rocket science people. You have to realize that you and your time, and the enjoyment of your time are the most important things in life. when you truly believe that and act on that, then women will flock to you ANYWAY. so yeah don't worry about this lady. there's about 2 billion more of them out there.

Personally I think you should just cut your losses, dump her for being retarded and find another girl, then build yourself a harem, stop trying to get a girlfriend, wait till you are in your late 30s for that.

You did nothing wrong (in your initial interaction) so there's nothing to worry about.

Post: #29

(03-27-2013 08:47 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  Let me just point out that it's only the first month and both of us are still trying to figure each other out. I told her since the beginning that if nonsense started ensuing in the relationship, I would let it be known immediately and would end it. Both of us are grown people and we don't need all that extra bullshit in our lives. I'm not afraid to cut people off in my life and she senses that to the fullest extent. If she fucks up, she knows she's done for.

Why do you call her a girlfriend if you have been dating her a month? That's not long enough.

Post: #30

(03-27-2013 08:55 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 07:10 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  I sent her a brief text just now saying

no no no no no

stop sending her shit.

stop giving a fuck, seriously stop it.

for one I don't think it was offensive what you said, if she can't take a joke, something is wrong with her.

here's what you do:

DONT SEND HER ANY MESSAGES (unless she mails you)

search for other women.

thats it, simple easy.

once you find a girl that likes you, meet her up for coffee drinks,escalate, bring to your place, bang.

if you cant do that on the first, try again the next week but just invite her over to your place for a movie or whatever.

if you get the bang, cool, see her once a week, if not go find someone else.

eventually the stupid chick will contact you and apologize, or she wont, and you wont have to waste your time trying to analyze texts.

This shit isn't Rocket science people. You have to realize that you and your time, and the enjoyment of your time are the most important things in life. when you truly believe that and act on that, then women will flock to you ANYWAY. so yeah don't worry about this lady. there's about 2 billion more of them out there.

Personally I think you should just cut your losses, dump her for being retarded and find another girl, then build yourself a harem, stop trying to get a girlfriend, wait till you are in your late 30s for that.

You did nothing wrong (in your initial interaction) so there's nothing to worry about.

Trust me man, I know where you are coming from. I haven't had a girlfriend in 3 years (my ex was a bi-polar psycho who cheated on me and used to cut herself) so I stayed away from a relationship for a long time. I couldn't find any girlfriend potentials until this one came long.

I felt like it was time to gain more experience from a LTR and this girl is worth it. She is very caring and sweet to me. My alpha game has developed immensely over the past year and I am confident I can get more women if I want to. She knows I'm a no nonsense type of guy.

I feel as if this whole thing was rather trivial but it's not enough for me to terminate the relationship.

Post: #31

(03-27-2013 08:58 PM)poutsara Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 08:47 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  Let me just point out that it's only the first month and both of us are still trying to figure each other out. I told her since the beginning that if nonsense started ensuing in the relationship, I would let it be known immediately and would end it. Both of us are grown people and we don't need all that extra bullshit in our lives. I'm not afraid to cut people off in my life and she senses that to the fullest extent. If she fucks up, she knows she's done for.

Why do you call her a girlfriend if you have been dating her a month? That's not long enough.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what I call her. Labels mean nothing to me. She's basically a girl I'm seeing.

Post: #32

(03-27-2013 09:03 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  Trust me man, I know where you are coming from. I haven't had a girlfriend in 3 years (my ex was a bi-polar psycho who cheated on me and used to cut herself) so I stayed away from a relationship for a long time. I couldn't find any girlfriend potentials until this one came long.

I felt like it was time to gain more experience from a LTR . . . .

*Said in the episode 3 Darth Vader Voice* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

The only experience you need in an LTR is having lots of women you meet once a week for sex, and you not giving a fuck about her. That's all the practice you need for western women, because that's what WORKS, when you start giving a shit, then she smells the weakness until it snowballs into prolonged blueballs.

If you've read these forums you should know that you shouldn't be trying to marry or LTR western women anyway! YOu should be trying to get your MONEY up, and banging tons of hot girls in the meantime!

Once you get your money up, start doing the LTR thing. . .IN EITHER SEA, CHINA, and EE(not japan. . .that's a whole 'nother story though)

if you STILL want to marry after all that experience, then marry from those countries. Don't wife women from USA, Canada, Australia, England, New Zealand, any other place where the locals speak perfect English hahaha.


but seriously though, even if she's Different™ and Not Like The Rest™ its still up to you to . . .

not give a fuck. Seriously!

There will always be another one that will be Different™ and Not Like The Rest™. So you mind as well just grab ya balls, and keep on movin'

Post: #33

(03-27-2013 09:15 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 09:03 PM)Knowledge Seeker Wrote:  Trust me man, I know where you are coming from. I haven't had a girlfriend in 3 years (my ex was a bi-polar psycho who cheated on me and used to cut herself) so I stayed away from a relationship for a long time. I couldn't find any girlfriend potentials until this one came long.

I felt like it was time to gain more experience from a LTR . . . .

*Said in the episode 3 Darth Vader Voice* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

The only experience you need in an LTR is having lots of women you meet once a week for sex, and you not giving a fuck about her. That's all the practice you need for western women, because that's what WORKS, when you start giving a shit, then she smells the weakness until it snowballs into prolonged blueballs.

If you've read these forums you should know that you shouldn't be trying to marry or LTR western women anyway! YOu should be trying to get your MONEY up, and banging tons of hot girls in the meantime!

Once you get your money up, start doing the LTR thing. . .IN EITHER SEA, CHINA, and EE(not japan. . .that's a whole 'nother story though)

if you STILL want to marry after all that experience, then marry from those countries. Don't wife women from USA, Canada, Australia, England, New Zealand, any other place where the locals speak perfect English hahaha.


but seriously though, even if she's Different™ and Not Like The Rest™ its still up to you to . . .

not give a fuck. Seriously!

There will always be another one that will be Different™ and Not Like The Rest™. So you mind as well just grab ya balls, and keep on movin'

Ya, i do think your follow up texting is now getting to be supplicating. You are essentially saying "plz plz plz forgive me for what I said."

You guys haven't established any monogamy, right? If so, i second going out and banging a few girls. I know you have hand right now, but supplicating behavior creates a supplicating mentality. I remember when I was in undergrad, I had a gf with whom i initially had hand. However, I slowly got into the habit of apologizing and supplicating and eventually lost her.

Post: #34

@ Knowledge Seeker
A few points you should keep in mind when you have a gf/ltr and you are red pill.

Texting
Text her less than she texts you. Frequency and amount. Say less, less often. Dont ever say good morning or any of that crap to her. Go about your day. If she texts you say "sup" to her and leave it at that.
Double time or 20 minutes for replies. If she replies in under 20 minutes you will wait at least a minimum of 20 minutes to reply. If her reply exceeds 20 minutes you will wait 2x the time.

Jokes
A good friend of mine will say some pretty off colour jokes to girls on 1st and 2nd dates just to gauge how they'll react. That way shit like this wont come as a surprise shit test. (which it is).
If a girl ever gets fake offended at your jokes just amplify. Take the joke one step further. Think of it like a staring contest with a 8 year old child. There's no reason why you should be conceding to them.
In this case the proper course of action is as follows:
Do nothing. NEVER SEND 2 TEXTS IN A ROW WITHOUT A REPLY.
Wait for her to reply. If she doesn't get back to you in a few days, cut her loose.
Next her. Dont even bother texting her or letting her know.

Ignoring your bf for over 12 hours is unacceptable, grounds for dismissal.



Game only works if you follow the rules. Remember that.

Post: #35

Jumbatron Test. Keep texting to a minimum, waiting for GManifesto to roll in and point out your mistake is that you texted her and didnt call her

Post: #36

If a girl texted me back calling me a jackass I'd ask her who the fuck does she thinks she's talking to.

Damn man.

I'm actually pissed FOR you and a little irritated you didn't call her out for her disrespectful tone and namecalling.

How about; "What the hell is your problem? I just don't feel like going to a movie and you call me a jackass?"

Post: #37

yeah, to be fair, she shouldn't be calling you a jackass. That is pretty out of line. In hindsight, I'm shocked.

Post: #38

(03-28-2013 08:22 AM)Fisto Wrote:  If a girl texted me back calling me a jackass I'd ask her who the fuck does she thinks she's talking to.

Damn man.

I'm actually pissed FOR you and a little irritated you didn't call her out for her disrespectful tone and namecalling.

How about; "What the hell is your problem? I just don't feel like going to a movie and you call me a jackass?"

exactly. . .I probably would have just deleted her number from my phone and kept on about my business. if a bitch has got to that level of disrespect, then I'VE fucked up on not keeping her ass in line. By that point, the game is already lost. . .better to just cut the losses. if she texts back in a couple of days, and I don't remember who the number belong too, I'll just straight up ask "whose number is this"? either she'll not respond, or she'll be shocked and try to get back in my good graces again.

personally I think this guy needs to delete her number, and start working out more, getting some more testosterone in him, so that he wont be meeting and getting one itis over women like that.

Post: #39

(03-28-2013 07:41 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Jumbatron Test. Keep texting to a minimum, waiting for GManifesto to roll in and point out your mistake is that you texted her and didnt call her

It's true.

The real mistake was that he was having a "text conversation" in the first place.