Post: #26

(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  Im reading a lot of really bad comments in here but I don't have much credibility as of late so I am just going to say that AOR and Opti-men are 2 great choices that were mentioned in this thread. Orange Triad with joint relief is probably the best one but is pricey. Animal pak one is pricey as well and is probably the most over rated multi on the market. Some animal products are good though.

As far as "no multi beats a proper diet" comment well that isn't true. Vitamins and minerals are the same no matter how you get them. Try getting the exact calories protein fat and carb macros you need in 1 day and getting all the vitamin and minerals perfect for that day as well. Impossible. You piss out extras your multi will give you. There are some vitamins that cause an imbalance and can be harmful but saying that "any multi that has over 100% of daily value is bad" is just ridiculous. The zinc/copper effect is a big one that was already covered in another thread.

This is not true. You have it backwards.

Marcos are just energy sources, nutrients are the tiny things that aid the actual functions of the body. Marcos just fuel those functions. In the west are diets are energy dense but nutrient poor this is why are sick. We have to much energy but no nutrients and the smaller finer points of the body break down quicker and lead to disease and sickness.

You can live off small amounts of energy/marcos if your diet is nutrient rich. They old tale is that you can survive just eating hemp seeds because they provide all the building blocks for sustenance.

Nature and food balances vitamins and minerals properly with the proper ratios.

If a food is high in Zinc it will also be high in copper which aids your body to properly metabolize the zinc.

Foods (that aren't milk) that are high in calcium will also be high in magnesium.

Some Vitamins/minerals need more water, others need more fats.

Its all very specific and tailor-made, but humans in our great ignorance think our labs can figure out better when the system has already been perfected it in nature. With the explosion of chemical labs in the 50's and 60's the trend was to dis-own real food as humans believed their chemical creations where better and more divine then nature. We could produce clean margarine that did not come from a dirty cow, clean lush red tomatoes from spraying them with chemicals. The trend quickly become to process foods with as little real stuff in them and this trend continues to this day. You see the backlash now and corps are starting to offer "natural" products which is more or less them attempting to try and go back to how it used to be.

Eat a balanced diet heavy in nutrient dense foods. Eat foods that are sourced from the regions in which your ancestors are from, study the profiles of those foods and you will see what your body will need more in nutrients.

Pills should only be taken if your very low on specific nutrients. Pills can be taking if you want to focus on a single nutrient and use it for therapy to help achieve certain things. A "Multi-Vitamin" does not make sense to me, something light is all that is needed to shore things up, many say a simple Flinstones Vitamin from our youth is good enough if you eat a good diet.

And with your piss you can tell when your piss is a chemical piss or just a regular/ or heavy salt piss. When I could afford Greens+ powders and took it daily with its abundant nutrients I never pissed out any of it, my piss was fairly normal. Compare that to a multi-vitamin and my piss is fucking orange. The Vitamin industry is a scam, if you want good quality multi's you can find them but they are not cheap and will cost you 60-70$ a month for a bottle and most will come in powders to avoid the further processing step of placing them in pills.

Post: #27

Man Im a vitamin freak. This is what I take everyday:

1 Centrum Multivitamin
Vitamin E 800 IU
Vitamin C 3,000 Mg
Vitamin D 1,500 IU
Vitamin B6 200 Mg
Vitamin B12 1000 Mg
Fish Oil 1000 Mg
Cinnamon 1000 Mg
Odorless Garlic 1000 Mg
1 Digestive Enzyme
1 Probiotic
Hair Skin and Nails 1,500 Mg
4 cups of Green Tea a day

and top it off with 3 teaspoons of ground Flaxseed meal in a glass of water before I go to bed. Im obsessed.

Post: #28

If you are obsessed then buy a better multi. AOR/opti/NOW/triad.

Post: #29

(03-07-2013 11:05 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  If you are obsessed then buy a better multi. AOR/opti/NOW/triad.

How do you know these are good?

I like NOW's multi. Did a post on it a while back.

Post: #30

I used to take about 10 supplements or more every day. But I had a health problem.

Now I take just:

1. Vitamin Code Men's Multi One (75 day supply for $30). There is another multi by the same company which is more expensive and the other member mentioned it. This is 100% natural from bacteria and the company is one of the few which really knows their shit, and the owner has tons of famous books out (Jordan Rubin). I think he oversells his shit, but its all good product.

2. Mezotrace - literally mineral tablets like calcium and magnesium.

3. Iodine - pure. Because its added to table salt. Why should I eat extra salt to get my iodine? This is very important and not found in all farming regions naturally. Deficiency causes numerous health problems. I take only about 1/4 of a tablet a day because too much can also cause problems.

I also carry Activated Charcoal. This will absorb anything in your digestive system that you don't want there anymore. Helps with hangovers and gas too. I only take this on occassion.

Also Melatonin for when I can't sleep or need to get to bed quickly. I take 1/8th of a tablet and it does the trick.

I also don't eat grains/nuts/seeds. This includes all bread, rice, cereal, etc. I credit this diet, along with the mezotrace, as practically halting my tooth decay and allowing me to easily digest milk products again. Read about grains and bone health (ie phytates). Native Tribes that ate no seeds were found to be the healthiest people in the world (Weston Price).

Post: #31

Delete wrong thread

Post: #32

For what it is worth I like the Nature Made brand (Walgreens carries quite a few) as I dated a nutritionist and she claimed they are know for formulations that are the best absorbed so you get more of what you pay for - Walgreen runs all sort of specials and Nature Made has an online deals coupons offers site you can join.

http://www.naturemade.com/products/d-vit...OgodZV4AYQ

Post: #33

I've always ate a diet with a good amount of fruits and vegetables, stayed away from processed shit, etc. I started taking a Alive Whole Food Men's Multi about 6 months ago for the hell of it. No other variables changed, but I'll be damned if my hair loss didn't stop cold turkey.

I first started noticing my hair falling out 7-8 years ago, I was in a sales training class and scratched my head and about 20 strands fell onto the manual I was using. It was unnerving to say the least, especially as young as I was. As scary as that initial shock was, my loss is minimal by any standards - I still have a full head of hair, minimal receding, just a less density than the past. From the beginning I started treating with minoxidil and finasteride, which seemed to slow things down, but I was used to seeking a shitload of hair on my hands every time I put conditioner in my hair in the shower. Or if I'd be at my desk at work, scratch my scalp and see a bunch of hairs fly off. Now I've started taking the multi, and I can scratch the hell out of my head, they don't go anywhere. Even in the shower after putting on conditioner, I'll look at my hands and see a strand or two at most.

Every other variable (exercise, diet, lifestyle) was constant. All of the sudden I pop a daily multi and my hair loss tanks, I gotta pay attention. There haven't been any other major effects that I've noticed. I still got my ass kicked with the flu this winter. I don't know for sure if it's the multi that seems to have stopped my hair loss or not, but my view is that it can't hurt and it's not expensive, and pretty convenient, so why not. At least worth giving it a try.

Post: #34

(03-24-2013 04:25 PM)poledaddy Wrote:  I've always ate a diet with a good amount of fruits and vegetables, stayed away from processed shit, etc. I started taking a Alive Whole Food Men's Multi about 6 months ago for the hell of it. No other variables changed, but I'll be damned if my hair loss didn't stop cold turkey.

I first started noticing my hair falling out 7-8 years ago, I was in a sales training class and scratched my head and about 20 strands fell onto the manual I was using. It was unnerving to say the least, especially as young as I was. As scary as that initial shock was, my loss is minimal by any standards - I still have a full head of hair, minimal receding, just a less density than the past. From the beginning I started treating with minoxidil and finasteride, which seemed to slow things down, but I was used to seeking a shitload of hair on my hands every time I put conditioner in my hair in the shower. Or if I'd be at my desk at work, scratch my scalp and see a bunch of hairs fly off. Now I've started taking the multi, and I can scratch the hell out of my head, they don't go anywhere. Even in the shower after putting on conditioner, I'll look at my hands and see a strand or two at most.

Every other variable (exercise, diet, lifestyle) was constant. All of the sudden I pop a daily multi and my hair loss tanks, I gotta pay attention. There haven't been any other major effects that I've noticed. I still got my ass kicked with the flu this winter. I don't know for sure if it's the multi that seems to have stopped my hair loss or not, but my view is that it can't hurt and it's not expensive, and pretty convenient, so why not. At least worth giving it a try.

Try Lipogaine. It's worked wonders for people I know.

Guys I will be writing about Nootropics soon and will make a thread.

Nootropics are brain enhancers(legal) that I've discovered just recently.

Post: #35

I take OPTI-MEN by ON.

Remember, vitamins are meant to supplement a nutrient rich diet. Their purpose was never intended to be a replacement.

Post: #36

Are there any new opinions on the best multi vitamin?

Definetly considering these!
m.vitacost.com/products/source-naturals-life-force-multiple-no-iron-180-capsules

Post: #37

(10-23-2014 09:34 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Are there any new opinions on the best multi vitamin?

Definetly considering these!
m.vitacost.com/products/source-naturals-life-force-multiple-no-iron-180-capsules

Vitacost is a good company to order from. Most stuff they carry is decent and some of the best prices around. That's who I usually order from.

Keep in mind that 99% of the companies that seem to be high quality food based ingredients are just the same synthetic crap anyone else is using. Garden of Life is pretty much all natural food-based vitamins.

I started taking the living calcium from Garden of Life. I read too many studies showing that most calcium supplements do more harm than good.

I take:

- Garden of Life Living Calcium
- Garden of Life Men's One (multivitamin)

The only thing I don't like about the Living Calcium is that it doesn't seem to dissolve as easily as Mezotrace. Sometimes I chew it up in my mouth. I stopped with Mezotrace because its basically just rocks and not in an ideal form for your body. Though I do think it's decent for what it is.

I was reading about calcium loss in the body and apparently your body will tend to only get rid of extra calcium it doesn't need. And your nails and hair are not mainly calcium so it's not like you are building tons of calcium heavy shit all the time. Calcium is mostly used as maintanance and for bodily functions.

Now I am in the process of choosing a good Krill Oil to order. That stuff is scientifically proven to help prevent memory loss among other things.

Post: #38

CVS brand 1-a-day for men. Been taking daily since I turned 30. I stock up twice a year when they have a "buy 1, get 1 free" sale.

I usually take around Noontime with a glass of room temperature water.

Post: #39

Been taking vitamins and supplements for decades; varied with different supplements but one constant since childhood has been a good multivitamin.

For an ordinary but reasonably priced multivitamin, GNC Mega Men (without iron) is good, as are the 365 series from Whole Foods. Read the labels - these have a much broader and more complete profile than any Walmart or CVS brand. Though I can't speak for the quality of the mass chain brands, the vitamin geeks typically say you get what you pay for. Solgar was a top brand years ago but not sure if that is still the case. BTW, the US RDA levels are pretty meaningless - they only signify what you need to stay above malnutrition. And yes I agree that you should get as many vites and minerals from your food first and then go with the supplements (that's why they're called supplements, after all).

Something worth considering also is a good quality Resveratrol supplement - even non-vitamin freak doctors are starting to sing the praises of the benefits of this compound. Above all, remember it isn't about life extension, it's quality of life you should be after.

Post: #40

(10-25-2014 04:23 PM)kavakid Wrote:  I started taking the living calcium from Garden of Life. I read too many studies showing that most calcium supplements do more harm than good.

I take:

- Garden of Life Living Calcium
- Garden of Life Men's One (multivitamin)

The only thing I don't like about the Living Calcium is that it doesn't seem to dissolve as easily as Mezotrace. Sometimes I chew it up in my mouth. I stopped with Mezotrace because its basically just rocks and not in an ideal form for your body. Though I do think it's decent for what it is.

I was reading about calcium loss in the body and apparently your body will tend to only get rid of extra calcium it doesn't need. And your nails and hair are not mainly calcium so it's not like you are building tons of calcium heavy shit all the time. Calcium is mostly used as maintanance and for bodily functions.

Now I am in the process of choosing a good Krill Oil to order. That stuff is scientifically proven to help prevent memory loss among other things.

Calcium should be taken with a dose of milk or other dairy based fat as it is necessary for the complete absorption of the calcium. Avoiding all dairy and taking a supplement *might* be enough, but you aren't getting what you could out of that supplement if you took it with some milk.

Post: #41

(10-25-2014 04:58 PM)Jack198 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 04:23 PM)kavakid Wrote:  I started taking the living calcium from Garden of Life. I read too many studies showing that most calcium supplements do more harm than good.

I take:

- Garden of Life Living Calcium
- Garden of Life Men's One (multivitamin)

The only thing I don't like about the Living Calcium is that it doesn't seem to dissolve as easily as Mezotrace. Sometimes I chew it up in my mouth. I stopped with Mezotrace because its basically just rocks and not in an ideal form for your body. Though I do think it's decent for what it is.

I was reading about calcium loss in the body and apparently your body will tend to only get rid of extra calcium it doesn't need. And your nails and hair are not mainly calcium so it's not like you are building tons of calcium heavy shit all the time. Calcium is mostly used as maintanance and for bodily functions.

Now I am in the process of choosing a good Krill Oil to order. That stuff is scientifically proven to help prevent memory loss among other things.

Calcium should be taken with a dose of milk or other dairy based fat as it is necessary for the complete absorption of the calcium. Avoiding all dairy and taking a supplement *might* be enough, but you aren't getting what you could out of that supplement if you took it with some milk.

That might be true for non food based calcium (99% of what is sold) such as carbonate or citrate. But I doubt it's true for food based calcium, as it's already ionic and recognized by your body as a nutrient.

Most calcium is literally rock or chalk mined from the ground. Garden of Life products are from plants and/or yeasts and are essentially the same calcium found in Okra, Sesame seeds, and Dairy. At least that's my understanding.

The cow gets its calcium from the grass.

The grass is able to transform rocks and clay into ionic calcium. The cow is not nearly as effecient at that. That is why the cow eats grass and not rocks and clay. It lets the grass do the job it does best.

So do you want the calcium that is in the grass and cow, or do you want the rocks that they sell in bottles at GNC?

Those rocks in the bottles are clinically proven to build up in the arteries over time. Google it.

Great article from Harvard University:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou...ull-story/

"Clearly, although more research is needed, we cannot be confident that high milk or calcium intake is safe."

Post: #42

When I used to take multis I got the worst migraine hangovers, even when I didn't drink that much. I recently stopped and had a heavy night but the next day no hangover. Can someone explain the science behind this?

Post: #43

Depends on the multi and what was in it. Can you tell us what you were taking?

In that note, most of the multi's mentioned are good. Stay away from cheap junk like Centrum.

My opinion is that Life Extension multi's are the best. Expensive, but they contain so many good things that you'd have to buy in seperate supplements, so in the end the price isn't too bad.

Post: #44

I was taking amway multivitamins.

http://www.amway.com/Shop/Product/Produc...emno=A4230

Post: #45

Something in the multi is disagreeing with your body. I looked at the nutritional info. I didn't see anything that really stuck out to me. It doesn't look like a very good product though and I would avoid it. Also, it contains 33% of your daily iron.......... This is a big no. Men shouldn't take any extra supplemental iron.

Post: #46

(10-26-2014 12:58 AM)kavakid Wrote:  That might be true for non food based calcium (99% of what is sold) such as carbonate or citrate. But I doubt it's true for food based calcium, as it's already ionic and recognized by your body as a nutrient.

Most calcium is literally rock or chalk mined from the ground. Garden of Life products are from plants and/or yeasts and are essentially the same calcium found in Okra, Sesame seeds, and Dairy. At least that's my understanding.

The cow gets its calcium from the grass.

The grass is able to transform rocks and clay into ionic calcium. The cow is not nearly as effecient at that. That is why the cow eats grass and not rocks and clay. It lets the grass do the job it does best.

So do you want the calcium that is in the grass and cow, or do you want the rocks that they sell in bottles at GNC?

Those rocks in the bottles are clinically proven to build up in the arteries over time. Google it.

Great article from Harvard University:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou...ull-story/

"Clearly, although more research is needed, we cannot be confident that high milk or calcium intake is safe."

Great article, thanks. Didn't seem they were totally against supplementing calcium but there are some things to think about in there.

Post: #47

A few notes. For worries about calcium and arterial calcification, you should be raking vitamin k2. I can't post a link because my phone browser isn't allowing me, but go search and read about it on Life Extension.

Also, for guys who are living overseas etc and looking to order supplements, http://www.iherb.com is the best place. They have cheap shipping, ship almost anything to any country, and really help you get around any restrictive customs or customs fees. Plus they have great priced and stock nearly everything. I pay $4 to ship up an order that weighs I think 4 pounds or has a value around $80( I get away with more value usually). And they don't use DHL, UPS, FEDEX etc, which automatically mean you are gonna get screwed by customs.

After being an awesome customer for Vitacost and Vitaminshoppe, they changed their policies and don't ship to where I'm at, and when they did, they were inflexible on the shipping methods and I was getting hammered at customs or having orders get sent back. So http://www.iherb.com is the king. They really rock.