Post: #1

The main founder of a science fiction/fantasy convention is accused of child molestation in 2000.

This convention is very popular and the accused molester still gets his 1/3 share of the business that he started and ran with his 2 partners.

The 2 partners want him to stop getting money because of these molestation charges.

http://www.atlantamagazine.com/features/...ion/page/1

WIA

just some spice

"Much of that discussion has been driven by novelist and comics writer Nancy A. Collins, who late last month asked professionals to boycott DragonCon because of its continued continued connection to Kramer, who was extradited back to Georgia in January on child-molestation charges dating back to 2000. "

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/201...ed-kramer/

Post: #2

Well if he committed the crime he should go to jail.

Unless his partners buy him out, I don't really see how he can stop getting paid.

I have yet to read the article, though, so maybe my opinion will change.

Post: #3

Well, I would have to see how serious the publicity issues are. He should get a lawyer. From what you said, it seems like he was and is one of the driving forces in the company. It will suffer when he leaves, but if things are serious enough staying could ruin his company and he may want to find a successor and move on.

I can't imagine two partners wanting to irreversibly stonewall someone they worked closely with to build a business for years because of some molestation charges. That's either a whole new level of white knighting or they're willing to bury their friend for profits. Most likely it's just a media show.

Post: #4

(02-18-2013 03:17 AM)renotime Wrote:  Well if he committed the crime he should go to jail.

Unless his partners buy him out, I don't really see how he can stop getting paid.

I have yet to read the article, though, so maybe my opinion will change.

He doesn't want to sell. (why should he?)

WIA

Post: #5

(02-18-2013 03:35 AM)storm Wrote:  Well, I would have to see how serious the publicity issues are. He should get a lawyer. From what you said, it seems like he was and is one of the driving forces in the company. It will suffer when he leaves, but if things are serious enough staying could ruin his company and he may want to find a successor and move on.

I can't imagine two partners wanting to irreversibly stonewall someone they worked closely with to build a business for years because of some molestation charges. That's either a whole new level of white knighting or they're willing to bury their friend for profits. Most likely it's just a media show.

I think this is really a fight over money and the molestation charges are a red herring. Plenty of guys beat their wives and don't lose their jobs over it, much less a business.

WIA

Post: #6

(02-18-2013 05:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:35 AM)storm Wrote:  Well, I would have to see how serious the publicity issues are. He should get a lawyer. From what you said, it seems like he was and is one of the driving forces in the company. It will suffer when he leaves, but if things are serious enough staying could ruin his company and he may want to find a successor and move on.

I can't imagine two partners wanting to irreversibly stonewall someone they worked closely with to build a business for years because of some molestation charges. That's either a whole new level of white knighting or they're willing to bury their friend for profits. Most likely it's just a media show.

I think this is really a fight over money and the molestation charges are a red herring. Plenty of guys beat their wives and don't lose their jobs over it, much less a business.

WIA

I think you're right. It's a red herring. But because they live in PC world they can get away with it. Their former friend knows what's up, but most blue-pill people who hear this story probably get caught up in their negative emotions in reaction to hearing about the child molestation charges.

Post: #7

(02-18-2013 05:34 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:17 AM)renotime Wrote:  Well if he committed the crime he should go to jail.

Unless his partners buy him out, I don't really see how he can stop getting paid.

I have yet to read the article, though, so maybe my opinion will change.

He doesn't want to sell. (why should he?)

WIA

Then I don't really see what other recourse his partners have.

If they really don't want to deal with an alleged child molester, they should sell their piece of the company.

Post: #8

(02-18-2013 03:49 PM)renotime Wrote:  If they really don't want to deal with an alleged child molester, they should sell their piece of the company.

This is where the rubber meets the road. If they are morally that grossed out by it, I'm sure he'd (or someone else would) be happy to buy out their share.

Post: #9

I think the partners are looking for a convenient way to cut him out so they can get his share. The Collins chick, like most chicks, sees an opportunity to get attention and stick it to men. If she's so disgusted by this situation, she should disassociate herself. But NO...she wants all of the other writers, artists, musicians, editors, actors, and film-makers to give up parts of their livelihoods too. I say they make sure he's not in direct contact with kids (agree that he shouldn't actually come to the convention), but simply work behind the scenes in the planning as he always has. If others in the industry balk at working with him, well, they still have to pay him. The partners can't simply stop paying him. He either has to agree to sell, or THEY can try to cash out (which I doubt they want to do, because the conventions are successful). They state that dissolving and re-incorporating isn't an option at this time either. It isn't as if I don't understand how the partners feel about Kramer and having to be associated with him, however, they can't force him out. It's just leading to litigation going back and forth. They need to come up with a working arrangement that suits everyone. Until his molestation case is adjudicated, they're ALL stuck.

Post: #10

Molestation is wrong, on sooooo many levels. A truly terrible offense. But there's the separation of legal and business matters. They should, if they want to get him out, do so legally.