Post: #1

Would like to hear the opinions of some of the experienced/veteran guys on here.

To make this short, I usually go out once, maybe twice a week to a club or bar. I am a full time student and hold a part time job, so I try to make it out on Fridays and Saturdays.

In your experience, how often is it required for you to go out to get really good? I want to be able to pull a new girl at least once a month, and maybe set up some fuck-buddy relationships until I find a girl I really like.


I have yet to pull, but have just started to be able to get at least a kiss on most nights. I don't approach like a madman, I do some dancing and try to hook some girls on the dance floor, or I approach girls by the side, either alone or not having a good time (on their phone or something).

What would you guys say is the ultimate factor at getting good at seduction? Amount of time put in or quality of that time? I mean, even if I only do 20 approaches over 2 nights out, as long as I am pushing boundaries, am I able to make steady progress?

Post: #2

It won't hurt. If you can't go out that much or don't want to you can be a sharpshooter. Try going out during the week to some hot happy hour spots. Weekends are overrated and over crowded.

Post: #3

It is a myth, that you need 1000 or x amount of approach.

The game is built inside of you, you are a man, your job is to allow nature to take its course.

The best way to be good with girls is not approach experience, the key is to understand the female experience and mind,

you can only gain that through going on dates and being around them, and more important escalting on them, in order to understand how sexual women are and how to get them wet....

So, my answer to your question is, the fact your in college you should be meeting them through class, parties, social circle, college events (football), study abroad.....

Social circle game is the best way to meet girls and gain experience. Don't listen to anyone but yourself, cold appraoch is the worst way to meet girls, even if your good, it is 100x easier to meet girls through your college. Focus on your college, the more girl you sleep with, the better you get.

Approaching does not develop competence with women, that is a lie, sleeping with women builds confidence, focus on building a social circle through work and your campus.

Post: #4

I don't think seduction should be the main focus of your life, just a hobby. Because you can only be good at it if you're good in other areas of your life.

So twice a week is plenty. Personally I'd rather get a few girls on rotation than go to clubs and try to get a new girl everytime. That's why I go to cafes where students hang out pretending to study, because it attracts a diffrent type of girls.

I don't get why people still go to clubs, where the dynamic there sucks and the most annoying bitches are there. And I'm tired of all the after hours drunken fights and bullshit.

Post: #5

I live at home and commute, unlike most of my university's students. That way, I miss out on many parties, although I can attend them, it is a hastle due to logistics.

It is far easier for me to go to a bar or club, either one that the campus pub hosts, or one in the same city as my school (15 min drive away). So either way, I always have access to girls my age and same school. Although it sucks I can't really meet them at parties.

I do some campus approaches at times, and have gotten a couple dates in the past, but I haven't put too much effort in, and will do that in the near future. Cold approach for me isn't too hard, although I have noticed a HUGE difference in how girls react to me at the campus pub vs at the city club.

ALSO, would you guys say the key to becoming good at seduction is reference experiences? For instance.. Looking back and remembering that one hot italian girl you banged 1 hour after meeting her, the girl who dumped her boyfriend to have sex with you, the girl that took you home the same night you met her etc.

I don't have a repertoire of reference experiences yet.. Just one lay, but as of recently an increasing number of successful escalation attempts inside club.. make outs, body touching underneath clothing in the corner booth.. Soon, I know I will add to that with examples such as above. But would you guys say reference experiences are key? Just like working out, having structure in your life, having a good mindset all contribute to your success in seduction.

So in this way, it's not the # girls you've slept with that matters most, but rather experiences that show you are becoming good, such as the one time you made out with the hottest girl in the venue, the one time a girl stayed with you after her friends left the club etc.

Post: #6

(01-29-2013 08:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Cold approach for me isn't too hard, although I have noticed a HUGE difference in how girls react to me at the campus pub vs at the city club.

Can you expand on this?

Are you supplementing with online dating?

Post: #7

(01-29-2013 08:24 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 08:19 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Cold approach for me isn't too hard, although I have noticed a HUGE difference in how girls react to me at the campus pub vs at the city club.

Can you expand on this?

Are you supplementing with online dating?

Girls at the campus pub are mostly ages 19-22, if not entirely. There is no competition at campus pub, besides male friends of hers (haven't had a problem yet). Also, girls go to campus pub usually only with their girl friends. The main reason there is no competition is that there are no guys that approach. 19-22 year old men at campus pub are too scared, and just get drunk and if they hit on any girls its girls they already know.

At the city club, there are many 19-22 year olds, but also many 23-29 year olds. Also, the men are more aggressive. They are more willing to approach random girls, even if they suck. It's not necessarily stronger competition for me, its rather that the girls have more of a shield up against me.

And how come you assumed online dating? I actually have been trying it out for a couple weeks but it's been a waste of time. And I rather go out there and meet the girls in a social venue, plus the fact they are much more attractive.

Post: #8

First of all, before I can answer the question, you will have to know what "tight" or "good" game really means.

Does banging a 8s or 9s once signify you have tight game?

The short answer is No.

In order for someone to be considered to have tight or good game they will have to be banging 8s and 9s regularly. The keyword here is Consistency.

So, in order for you to get good game or tight game you will have to go out consistantly as well. The more you go out the more consistant you will get and that is the biggest factor in determining whether you have tight game or not. Going once or twice a week is good but nowhere enough to get you to a level where you can be considered to have tight game.

It is like practicing a jumpshot, not every shot will go in, but the more you practice the more consistant you will get. But remember, girls are not like trying to make a basket because everyone of them is different(personality etc.)except in North America, the majority of them are stereotypical boring personality.

The more you go out, the more you will see the oppertunities, that you didn't notice before, the more you go out the more you will realize that a girl "rejecting" you doesn't always mean that she doesn't like you but rather a test to see if you are alpha enough, the more you go out the more experience you will have dealing with cockblockers, the more you go out the more confident you will get.

Post: #9

(01-29-2013 07:48 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Would like to hear the opinions of some of the experienced/veteran guys on here.

To make this short, I usually go out once, maybe twice a week to a club or bar. I am a full time student and hold a part time job, so I try to make it out on Fridays and Saturdays.

Let's do the math

If I was a Sophomore at any major university in the States, with a job, and only went out on Friday and Saturday nights, how many approaches could I make a semester? I'm guessing less than a 100.

Most semesters are about 16 weeks, so that's 32 nights out. If i'm a smidgen conscientious about my grades, let's say 15 weeks out and 1 week for finals, so 30 nights out.

I'm sure if you were to break down your schedule even further, you'd probably come to a lower # then 30, but let's stick with 30.

30 nights out.

30 nights out on the busiest days @ the bars and clubs, looking @ 3 hours (11 pm - 2:00 AM)
- long lines to get in
- long lines for alcohol
- lots of fatties
- lots of dorks
- some real sharks

So subtract the time it takes to get in line, to get drinks, check out the venue, to find a spot to chill and spit from. And a significant portion of that 3 hours will be gone just on logistics alone. Throw in the obstacles and haters, and you have a very daunting task ahead of you.

But assuming you minimize the friction, you've got about 2.5 hours to work with. How many chicks do you think you can approach in a 150 minutes? (for the players, how many chicks are worthy of approaching @ any given venue over 2.5 hours...?)

You could probably approach every girl in the club in 2.5 hours. But if one of your sets does hook, you could be sitting on 30-40 minutes of chatting them up. And the set may look good at first...and then turn to nothing after you've spent a good amount of time chatting them up, defusing the war pigs, and icing your competition.

How much time do you have?
How much sexual interest are you generating in that time?
How thirsty do you become?
How does your thirst for sex affect the target?

Most guys that get in the game, skim a few chapters of pick up guru, and then head out on Friday night, over come their approach anxiety with a drink or 2, talk to a few sets, and then the night is effectively over. The club may still be open, but her legs aren't opening for you.

If you proceed this way, you can get good, it will just take a lot of patience on your part, and a lot of time.

And your goal is very humble. 1 new chick a month isn't Pimp Player Mack Daddy status. Yet, if you're just starting at night game, that might as well be a million dollars. You have to be tall, very good looking, and socially calibrated right from the start to make 1 weekend out work for you regularly and consistently.

Maybe there is another way?

What if I told you that you could get in at least 6 hours of low pressure practice every day, and talk to chicks that don't have their defense shields up, who might be open to meeting someone such as yourself, chicks that aren't always surrounded by mother hens, and you aren't competing with Biff from the Wrestling Squad.

What if I told you that by making one little change, and spending no extra dollars, indeed, spending less money you could indeed get to your goal of 1 new chick a month?

How much would that help you out?
How much would you pay for it?

*get ready for the pitch*

I have 1 word for you.

CAMPUS.

And have 2 more words for you

DAY GAME.

Being a student and hitting on other students is probably the holy grail of the game. Most of us can never get back to it. But all of us, knowing what we know now, could have run through the entire campus.

Even if you're in a sausage filled major like EE or Physics, chances are that your campus is full of Sociology Majors, Cheerleaders, Sorority Girls, emo and hipster chicks, bicurious chicks, and exchange students.

Those chicks that you see walking around campus, on their phones, listening to their ipods, wearing those ugg boots - believe it or not, those same chicks go home, put on lipstick, miniskirts, and heels and change personalities when they get to the bar on the weekend. They want to meet real alphas, so they put on their meeting a real man outfit.
They change their mental game. They get ready for a blood bath.

But on campus, she's not in her best gear, she's not on edge trying to avoid losers, she's not drunk.

So now you have the opportunity to befriend lots of co-eds that you probably wouldn't have access to at the club.

You can day game, long game, false familiarity, direct, indirect.
You can dress much better than the dorks in adidas slippers and sweat pants.
You can spit at plenty of chicks all of the time.

Problem solved.

Please PM me for your bill

WIA

Post: #10

(01-29-2013 09:38 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 07:48 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Would like to hear the opinions of some of the experienced/veteran guys on here.

To make this short, I usually go out once, maybe twice a week to a club or bar. I am a full time student and hold a part time job, so I try to make it out on Fridays and Saturdays.

Let's do the math

If I was a Sophomore at any major university in the States, with a job, and only went out on Friday and Saturday nights, how many approaches could I make a semester? I'm guessing less than a 100.

Most semesters are about 16 weeks, so that's 32 nights out. If i'm a smidgen conscientious about my grades, let's say 15 weeks out and 1 week for finals, so 30 nights out.

I'm sure if you were to break down your schedule even further, you'd probably come to a lower # then 30, but let's stick with 30.

30 nights out.

30 nights out on the busiest days @ the bars and clubs, looking @ 3 hours (11 pm - 2:00 AM)
- long lines to get in
- long lines for alcohol
- lots of fatties
- lots of dorks
- some real sharks

So subtract the time it takes to get in line, to get drinks, check out the venue, to find a spot to chill and spit from. And a significant portion of that 3 hours will be gone just on logistics alone. Throw in the obstacles and haters, and you have a very daunting task ahead of you.

But assuming you minimize the friction, you've got about 2.5 hours to work with. How many chicks do you think you can approach in a 150 minutes? (for the players, how many chicks are worthy of approaching @ any given venue over 2.5 hours...?)

You could probably approach every girl in the club in 2.5 hours. But if one of your sets does hook, you could be sitting on 30-40 minutes of chatting them up. And the set may look good at first...and then turn to nothing after you've spent a good amount of time chatting them up, defusing the war pigs, and icing your competition.

How much time do you have?
How much sexual interest are you generating in that time?
How thirsty do you become?
How does your thirst for sex affect the target?

Most guys that get in the game, skim a few chapters of pick up guru, and then head out on Friday night, over come their approach anxiety with a drink or 2, talk to a few sets, and then the night is effectively over. The club may still be open, but her legs aren't opening for you.

If you proceed this way, you can get good, it will just take a lot of patience on your part, and a lot of time.

And your goal is very humble. 1 new chick a month isn't Pimp Player Mack Daddy status. Yet, if you're just starting at night game, that might as well be a million dollars. You have to be tall, very good looking, and socially calibrated right from the start to make 1 weekend out work for you regularly and consistently.

Maybe there is another way?

What if I told you that you could get in at least 6 hours of low pressure practice every day, and talk to chicks that don't have their defense shields up, who might be open to meeting someone such as yourself, chicks that aren't always surrounded by mother hens, and you aren't competing with Biff from the Wrestling Squad.

What if I told you that by making one little change, and spending no extra dollars, indeed, spending less money you could indeed get to your goal of 1 new chick a month?

How much would that help you out?
How much would you pay for it?

*get ready for the pitch*

I have 1 word for you.

CAMPUS.

And have 2 more words for you

DAY GAME.

Being a student and hitting on other students is probably the holy grail of the game. Most of us can never get back to it. But all of us, knowing what we know now, could have run through the entire campus.

Even if you're in a sausage filled major like EE or Physics, chances are that your campus is full of Sociology Majors, Cheerleaders, Sorority Girls, emo and hipster chicks, bicurious chicks, and exchange students.

Those chicks that you see walking around campus, on their phones, listening to their ipods, wearing those ugg boots - believe it or not, those same chicks go home, put on lipstick, miniskirts, and heels and change personalities when they get to the bar on the weekend. They want to meet real alphas, so they put on their meeting a real man outfit.
They change their mental game. They get ready for a blood bath.

But on campus, she's not in her best gear, she's not on edge trying to avoid losers, she's not drunk.

So now you have the opportunity to befriend lots of co-eds that you probably wouldn't have access to at the club.

You can day game, long game, false familiarity, direct, indirect.
You can dress much better than the dorks in adidas slippers and sweat pants.
You can spit at plenty of chicks all of the time.

Problem solved.

Please PM me for your bill

WIA

Man, that is some extra motivation.

I have some background in day game, I estimate in between 150-200 approaches.. A large part of those was me getting used to day approaches, and working on conversational skills. I am starting to get better. My stats.. I believe I have gotten maybe 20 numbers, 4 dates, two of which were successful and led to makeouts, one of those got me laid.

Out of these.. probably <20 approaches have been on campus. It is winter right now and shitty outside so I haven't done any day game on campus, I could do in the library or student centre, but not a fan. I like approaches outside with girls sitting down reading a book or going over notes. Between September-November, and March-April are the only good months I am on campus for day game in terms of whether, which is about half my school term. Regardless, I could still be doing some approaches inside the buildings.. gym, library, cafeteria.. I will get on it.

My only concern is getting a player vibe. Inevitably, girls will tell their friends about this. Won't the word spread through facebook and social network about a guy by my name approaching girls on campus, trying to pick them up?

Post: #11

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Man, that is some extra motivation.

I have some background in day game, I estimate in between 150-200 approaches.. A large part of those was me getting used to day approaches, and working on conversational skills. I am starting to get better. My stats.. I believe I have gotten maybe 20 numbers, 4 dates, two of which were successful and led to makeouts, one of those got me laid.

I likes them #'s!

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Out of these.. probably <20 approaches have been on campus. It is winter right now and shitty outside so I haven't done any day game on campus, I could do in the library or student centre, but not a fan. I like approaches outside with girls sitting down reading a book or going over notes. Between September-November, and March-April are the only good months I am on campus for day game in terms of whether, which is about half my school term. Regardless, I could still be doing some approaches inside the buildings.. gym, library, cafeteria.. I will get on it.

Day game doesn't just mean outside! But in class, cafeteria, campus book store, gym, walking the halls in the buildings, library, local lunch spots....ahh to be 19 again.

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  My only concern is getting a player vibe. Inevitably, girls will tell their friends about this. Won't the word spread through facebook and social network about a guy by my name approaching girls on campus, trying to pick them up?

Befriend is the word I used above.
Creep vibe is bad. "he's just trying to get in my pants"
Vibe that you're good at fucking chicks is good. "he's gotten into a lot of girls pants"

But you can come off totally natural and real by approaching @ school, even if your intent isn't "natural". The more you get used to starting conversations, the easier it all becomes. You internalize everything if you're mindful.

Read Day Bang, and just adapt the concepts to your environment.

WIA

Post: #12

(01-29-2013 10:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Man, that is some extra motivation.

I have some background in day game, I estimate in between 150-200 approaches.. A large part of those was me getting used to day approaches, and working on conversational skills. I am starting to get better. My stats.. I believe I have gotten maybe 20 numbers, 4 dates, two of which were successful and led to makeouts, one of those got me laid.

I likes them #'s!

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Out of these.. probably <20 approaches have been on campus. It is winter right now and shitty outside so I haven't done any day game on campus, I could do in the library or student centre, but not a fan. I like approaches outside with girls sitting down reading a book or going over notes. Between September-November, and March-April are the only good months I am on campus for day game in terms of whether, which is about half my school term. Regardless, I could still be doing some approaches inside the buildings.. gym, library, cafeteria.. I will get on it.

Day game doesn't just mean outside! But in class, cafeteria, campus book store, gym, walking the halls in the buildings, library, local lunch spots....ahh to be 19 again.

(01-29-2013 09:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  My only concern is getting a player vibe. Inevitably, girls will tell their friends about this. Won't the word spread through facebook and social network about a guy by my name approaching girls on campus, trying to pick them up?

Befriend is the word I used above.
Creep vibe is bad. "he's just trying to get in my pants"
Vibe that you're good at fucking chicks is good. "he's gotten into a lot of girls pants"

But you can come off totally natural and real by approaching @ school, even if your intent isn't "natural". The more you get used to starting conversations, the easier it all becomes. You internalize everything if you're mindful.

Read Day Bang, and just adapt the concepts to your environment.

WIA

My standard approach is something along the lines of 'Hey, saw you from over there, thought you were cute..' if I am going direct. If a girl is sitting down reading a book or whatever, I will go up to her 'excuse me, saw you as I was walking by.... you seem interesting.'

I'm not hardcore during the day, really friendly, try to tease, some light kino. If I feel conversation is good I will go for number.

My goal is to get one on one with her on campus, and escalate during night time, to a kiss or whatever.

I haven't had much experience with day gaming girls so I don't know if this is a good approach or not..

Post: #13

I went out drinking about 75,000X in College and I think I got laid 3x...

Don't worry, women get easier, and easier, and easier as you get older. When you turn 30 and have your shit together you almost don't even have to try anymore....

I would say KEEP going out, whats the alternative? Video Games?

Get a good workout routine gng, it looks like you are in school and working so you are already kicking ass....

Going out is great practice, 2 times a week is fine, 3 is better....And plan some trips with your boys, cancun, south padre etc etc

Post: #14

(01-29-2013 10:09 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  My standard approach is something along the lines of 'Hey, saw you from over there, thought you were cute..' if I am going direct. If a girl is sitting down reading a book or whatever, I will go up to her 'excuse me, saw you as I was walking by.... you seem interesting.'

I'm not hardcore during the day, really friendly, try to tease, some light kino. If I feel conversation is good I will go for number.

My goal is to get one on one with her on campus, and escalate during night time, to a kiss or whatever.

I haven't had much experience with day gaming girls so I don't know if this is a good approach or not..

1) buy and read Day Bang, it addresses how to do this
2) step by step dating skills are for the newbie forum

WIA

Post: #15

I think so, Consistency always helps.