Post: #1

YoYoYo! After two years in the game I have a first date with my first ten (Or nine or whatever, she's fucking hot). We're going to a classy wine bar for a drink on a Tuesday, planning on 8:30. We met at a burning-man style costume party and I was really "on" that night which is why I got the date. Did lots of funny teasing and light gaming of her friends. Some good sexy dancing combined with the obligatory warding off of the un-ending hordes of cock-blocking dudes trying to steal my thunder... and all while not appearing needy. It was some jedi shit (for me at least). So what advice do you guys have for me on my first date with my first ten!!!

Post: #2

(12-05-2010 11:32 PM)mntgoat Wrote:  YoYoYo! After two years in the game I have a first date with my first ten (Or nine or whatever, she's fucking hot). We're going to a classy wine bar for a drink on a Tuesday, planning on 8:30. We met at a burning-man style costume party and I was really "on" that night which is why I got the date. Did lots of funny teasing and light gaming of her friends. Some good sexy dancing combined with the obligatory warding off of the un-ending hordes of cock-blocking dudes trying to steal my thunder... and all while not appearing needy. It was some jedi shit (for me at least). So what advice do you guys have for me on my first date with my first ten!!!

Run the same jedi-game from before. Escalate hardcore and get a first-night bang, fuck her really good and you'll get to do it again.

Post: #3

Some Jedi shit hahaha good one. Pretty much just act like she's a regular kind of girl. You know she's smokin hot but don't put her on the pedestal and act cool. Run the same game and escalate on that first date, also go for the kiss if you can. The bang will be easy after that.

Post: #4

Pretend she is fat...

The fact she is the hottest girl you've dated doesn't change what you do. Venue changing is really important on day 2's. Bounce from the winebar to some other nearby bar maybe a 3rd place and then back to your place. During venue changing is a great time to escalate. Playful hip checks, you can walk with your arm around her or French promenade style, then if u walk by somewhere private wall slam her against a building and make out for a couple seconds, break the make-out off first and grab her hand and continue walking to the next venue.

Post: #5

I advise that you dont treat her any differently than any other chick

I also advise that you try and bang her

Post: #6

Focus on what YOU have to offer, not what she has to offer (her looks). Appreciate what she's bringing to the table for what it is, but competently communicate your best traits - so... DHV stories, a vulnerability story, etc. Talking slooooowly. With. Pauses. Speaking a little deeper (from your stomach as opposed to your chest). And point your feet away from her, and lean back.

This is obviously a bit much at once, but if the mindset is right, the rest should come. Figure out what you've got going for you, and start with that. Let her know who you are. In retrospeak, "be real".

Practice the body-language part at home, if you want. Get used to leaning back, resting your arms on the back of the couch, breathing deeply, talking slower, etc.

Post: #7

DHV story?

Sigh ....

People who are high value just ARE high value. They dont tell DHV stories.

Post: #8

True, lumiere, and high-value CAN be communicated with a good story.

Same shit, different toilet.

Post: #9

All very good advice from some real gangstas. If you guys could see my progress from when I started... I was really clueless two years ago compared with now! The inner game has especially come a long way, however, I still struggle with DHV without seeming boastful. It's true Lumiere... I KNOW I'm high value. I have a prestigious career, plenty of money, well-traveled and athletic with a decent circle friends and I'm definitely not afraid to be an asshole (actually, I'm quite good at that). dating in my social circle is possible, however, for some reason I tend to attract the butch chicks with whom I would rather not to waste my mental energy. Unfortunately, my career as a research scientist is bad for meeting women because they're either dismally socialized, very fat or married (but typically a frustrating trifecta of all three... Jesus).

So I guess what I need to work on is DHV without seeming needy or boastful. I've done it before, but I can't quite get my finger in the hole on this one. Bukowsky, I like the specificity of your reply. Talking slowly and with intension and taking up more space then necessary are important "beginner" aspects of DHV, however, I know there's another level. This girl wouldn't be going out with me if I hadn't gotten the basic shit nailed. Anyway, I'm past banging of the hood-rats stage and need to start pushing the next level. Do you guys have specific advice for version 2.0 and effective DHV?

Post: #10

Just got back from our date. I took all advice, especially acting aloof and like I don't give a shit and talking slowly and "manly"
She asked what I did for a job and I told her:
"I'm the guy who bangs all the girls in his cult."
she laughed a lot, then lot's of flirtatious stuff happened.
We eventually came back to my place (after two bars), then made out slightly.
We have a date set for monday.
I await your advice.

Post: #11

(12-08-2010 02:52 AM)mntgoat Wrote:  Just got back from our date. I took all advice, especially acting aloof and like I don't give a shit and talking slowly and "manly"
She asked what I did for a job and I told her:
"I'm the guy who bangs all the girls in his cult."
she laughed a lot, then lot's of flirtatious stuff happened.
We eventually came back to my place (after two bars), then made out slightly.
We have a date set for monday.
I await your advice.

You're in, wash rinse repeat with escalation.

Post: #12

(12-06-2010 01:33 PM)Bukowsky Wrote:  True, lumiere, and high-value CAN be communicated with a good story.

Same shit, different toilet.

I agree, dropping key words about your credentials while using a story for misdirection is really good stuff.

I hear "wait, did you just say you (fill in the blank)??"

Me: Well yeah, but let me finish my story and I'll tell you about that some other time.

Post: #13

Sound like it went pretty well. You should work on getting the make-out out of the way earlier. Also, your end game need some work obviously if you managed to get a girl to the crib yet only had a slight make out. You need to escalate more aggressively. Learning game builds on itself. First, you get numbers and they never call you back. Then you get numbers and turn them into dates. Then you go on dates and fail. Then you go on dates and get girls back to your place but dont fuck. Next step, is consistently F-closing once you got them to the sex location. Its all about escalating properly throughout the interaction then defeating LMR.... usually through take-aways. My buddy said he has had a lot of success defeating LMR by talking dirty. You also need an all around casual attitude about sex.

Post: #14

yeh but you gotta be carefull not to seem too try-hard and appear to be name-dropping.

less talking is more. trust me, silence and minimal words can be used in an effective way to create an aura of mystery and confidence.

the more your talk and brag the more you are gonna say something that can fuck things up so if you feel that you might say something that you might regret later on then just don't say it and learn to zip it and have a pocker face.

you gotta have the attitude of "I'm not here to impress you, why don't YOU impress me".

be chill, cool, calm and collected, smile occasionally not all the time like you just won the lottery, don't treat her like gold, ..don't be overanxious and eager, let her be the one thinking "I can't wait to take my clothes off".


check this one out

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/t...damentals/
right now you are feeling like "I struck gold" but trust me the better you improve as a person the more opportunities you'll have. if you cling to this women like she's the last one you'll get, you'll lose her. trust me, not to sound corny but there are really PLenty of fish out there.

Post: #15

Something I apply to specifically to women but all around in life is this: "You are only worthy of something once you realize you don't need it".

So be careful not to put that pussy on a pedestal.

Post: #16

(12-08-2010 03:09 AM)Fisto Wrote:  You're in, wash rinse repeat with escalation.

Haha pretty much . Good job mntgoat.

Post: #17

Some new developments: After our last date (which I thought went well) we setup d2 to meet on Monday. I texted her monday afternoon: "Hey butter(fly), meet at my place at 8:30, <address here>. Now I must return to the shredding of the PowPow." (I was skiing at the time). Ten minutes later she texts me back: "hi <mntgoat>, it turns out I have to work tonight, someone got fired over the weekend and we're short staffed."

Texted her back this morning (about 12 hours later): "I'm free Wed and Thursday nights (for now). Either of those work?" And have heard nothing back. I suspect this is a classic flake (she didn't suggest an alternate time).

I await your suggestions and comments.

Post: #18

I told you not to put it on a pedestal. It sounds like during your texts you've been using overly familiar terms of endearment...

How long has it been since you sent that last text? I think you would have been better off telling her to let you know when she'd like to reschedule so you can see if you're free.

This happened to me recently and I texted "Ok if you want to use up your one flake pass, that's on you ; )"

She texted back "Lol! I promise I'll make it up to you!"

Post: #19

(12-14-2010 07:04 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I told you not to put it on a pedestal. It sounds like during your texts you've been using overly familiar terms of endearment...

How long has it been since you sent that last text? I think you would have been better off telling her to let you know when she'd like to reschedule so you can see if you're free.

This happened to me recently and I texted "Ok if you want to use up your one flake pass, that's on you ; )"

She texted back "Lol! I promise I'll make it up to you!"

Fisto that's a great line, noted for future reference.

Post: #20

(12-14-2010 07:06 PM)mntgoat Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 07:04 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I told you not to put it on a pedestal. It sounds like during your texts you've been using overly familiar terms of endearment...

How long has it been since you sent that last text? I think you would have been better off telling her to let you know when she'd like to reschedule so you can see if you're free.

This happened to me recently and I texted "Ok if you want to use up your one flake pass, that's on you ; )"

She texted back "Lol! I promise I'll make it up to you!"

Fisto that's a great line, noted for future reference.

I sent her the last text yesterday, so 24 hours. Do you think there's any recovery possible?

Post: #21

The ball is in her court now. Nothing you can really do at this point. If you contact her even though she didn't respond the last time, she'll consider you needy and you're only going to push her away. Only thing I'd recommend is going out and meeting some new girls to take your mind off that one. There's a good chance she'll get back in touch when she feels like it. Like I mentioned in the other thread, women, and esp younger or immature ones can be maddeningly fickle. The only inoculation for that is not putting too much importance in the outcome of any given chic and [hopefully] having other options on the table.

Post: #22

Speakeasy is right. If a lot of time elapses you can use the Roissy txt game where you send one strange phrase or word that is ambiguous that peaks her attention but, besides that, texting or calling more is gonna be a coffin nail.

Post: #23

Allright, it's clear that she's not into hooking up with me at this time, however, this girl has many hot friends and I think she would be a good addition to my social circle. Also, when her friends inevitably become attracted to me her whole tune will change. Shit... it's against my policy to intentionally friend-zone myself, but in this specific case I think it may be beneficial. The plan is to keep slight sexual tension going with flirty comments and looks and hopefully bring her and her plethora of HB friends into my social circle. Even if I don't bang her it will be great social proof.

What do you all think about this? Do you have any suggestions on how I should proceed?