Post: #1

About 6 months ago I broke up with my gf. This girl was the typical "good girl" mentioned in Roosh's latest post

-Had slept with one other guy before me (verified, have known her since high school, am 24 now)
-Religiously went to the gym
-Never played stupid games like flirting to make me jealous
-Very feminine, never looked like a slob, hair, makeup and wax always on point
-Incredibly low maintenance
-Tiny waist, nice round butt, thick thighs, natural blonde hair and Scandinavian features
-Tight box

I broke up with her for a few reasons; she really had no intellectual curiosity or interests aside from shopping, working out or being a "foodie", she would be "shy to the point of being mute" as Roosh described it, around my family and friends (this was a big one- I'm close with my family and have lots of friends) and she had some habits in the relationship that bothered me. I didn't like how she'd constantly drone on about work and then snap at me when I asked for clarification on some minor detail, and I didn't like how she couldn't deal with confrontation and was unable to discuss our problems frankly.

I know some of you will say the answer is to go bang girls and get over it. I have, and I have consistently found myself coming back to preferring more stable LTRs over the random sex. The fact that I live in Toronto, where feminine nice girls are so rare, has me second guessing myself as well. But I could never shake the nagging feeling that I was settling/could do better.

Post: #2

This was me at the end of the summer with my main girl at the time. I was still banging other girls, but I couldn't take any of them seriously since my main was like the girl you described. She had that rare trait of oozing estrogen. As soon as she entered the room other guys would look around like they just knew what kind of girl she was. Anyways that was pedestalization. What I said is still true, but like your girl she still has flaws that make her far from the 'perfect' girl. Things fell apart. She'll either find a better man or you'll get bored. Don't dwell on the past there are many other 'unicorns' just be glad you got to share the time you did with a girl that made you as happy as she did. Right now, move onto better things. If you want a LTR go and get one, qualify them more on dates and find the feminine women. They do exist.

Post: #3

(01-21-2013 09:16 PM)Donnington93 Wrote:  -Had slept with one other guy before me (verified, have known her since high school, am 24 now)
-Religiously went to the gym
-Never played stupid games like flirting to make me jealous
-Very feminine, never looked like a slob, hair, makeup and wax always on point
-Incredibly low maintenance
-Tiny waist, nice round butt, thick thighs, natural blonde hair and Scandinavian features
-Tight box

2/10. Would not bang.

Post: #4

No such thing as a unicorn, my friend. The same with snowflakes.

You stopped putting up with her shit and dumped her unlike most guys who would beta up for them. Better experience for next time you find a similar girl, and you will find a similar girl.

Post: #5

Quote:I didn't like how she'd constantly drone on about work and then snap at me when I asked for clarification on some minor detail,

That should never be an issue. When prompted, just reply you weren't paying attention. If asked about it, clearly let her know you won't waste time on such things.

Your frame, your direction should be solid. Occupying it with someone elses trivial matters is counter-productive.

It may generate some short term angst, but it will demonstrate why you're a quality guy.

Quote:and I didn't like how she couldn't deal with confrontation and was unable to discuss our problems frankly

You're a man, you don't have problems.

She enters your sphere, the goals you pass by in life are your goals, she's a passnger being dragged along to increased prosperity and/or status due to your actions, not the other way around. If this isn't satisfactory to here, if she can't compromise to see that all the benefits you accue on her may come at some petty cost, then she isn't 'the one'.

In fact she has demonstrated she is anything but.

Also, discover... for yourself... that the world is a bigger place than Toronto.

Post: #6

Good advice in this thread.

Whatever happened you need to move on emotionally. Learn what you can about it - MattC said a bit here and I bet you can add a few more things - and move on.

How to move on? Stay busy, more girls, new people, new hobbies, give it time.

Post: #7

The most important lesson you need to take with you from this is that these girls actually exists. A lot of guys getting into the game talks themselves into thinking all women are sluts or whores (for various lazy reasons). Don't lose this knowledge, or you might not recognize the good girl once you pass her the next time.

Post: #8

(01-21-2013 09:16 PM)Donnington93 Wrote:  I broke up with her for a few reasons; she really had no intellectual curiosity or interests aside from shopping, working out or being a "foodie", she would be "shy to the point of being mute" as Roosh described it, around my family and friends (this was a big one- I'm close with my family and have lots of friends) and she had some habits in the relationship that bothered me. I didn't like how she'd constantly drone on about work and then snap at me when I asked for clarification on some minor detail, and I didn't like how she couldn't deal with confrontation and was unable to discuss our problems frankly.

Your expectations of what to expect from a woman are somewhat high. You seem to be seeking companionship from your woman rather than treating her as part of your property/investment portfolio.

Post: #9

(01-22-2013 02:25 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  Your expectations of what to expect from a woman are somewhat high. You seem to be seeking companionship from your woman rather than treating her as part of your property/investment portfolio.

This came as if on cue to my post above regarding one-track thinking anong people into game.

Post: #10

(01-22-2013 01:23 AM)storm Wrote:  Good advice in this thread.

Whatever happened you need to move on emotionally. Learn what you can about it - MattC said a bit here and I bet you can add a few more things - and move on.

How to move on? Stay busy, more girls, new people, new hobbies, give it time.

That's key. A lot of people come on here asking for advice and pre-empt it with "I know you'll say go talk to other chicks but..." when the reality is, that is the best option people have.

I think every guy, whether exposed to the manosphere and red pill world or not, has an epiphany girl. It's the follow up actions to breaking up with this girl who is your oneitis that defines you as a person.

Every beta has been there. They've fallen for a girl, she's the best girl you've ever met, she's the type you've been looking for all your life, there's no one else in the world like her, she is practically the girl version of you and is perfect, etc, etc. Then they've had their hearts ripped out and that's when the defining moment comes.

You can take the route where naturally you think "fuck her, I'm finding a new broad" or you will wallow in what happened feeling sorry for yourself and waiting for the time to pass where you forget her and feel okay again, waiting for the next girl to fall in your lap wherever and whenever that may be, or wait for a time where you feel like gaming girls again.

What I've learned from my epiphany girl is that it's definitely wise to take the first route, and it's why people will always, always say on here to go chat up more girls when someone says they're feeling shit. Even if you're feeling shit, just go do it. Go and experience more girls and you will see they respond the same way to the things you say, they'll act the same and they'll ask the same questions at the exact same time as another girl did during the interaction. It'll make you feel better about losing one girl because you'll slowly start to see that no one girl is special.

I thought my epiphany girl was special that no one could get near and I felt that way for 5-6 weeks. One day I pulled a Hollister model who was hotter than her, nearly 10 years younger than her and more fun than her. Everything clicked and I changed almost immediately and at that point I was thinking to myself "man, I should've done this sooner".

The thing is as well, from time to time I still think about this girl. Not because I have feelings for her, not because I want to see her again or be with her but because of the lessons I learned from her and how much my inner game changed for the better because of her. I think it's only natural mate that you will see her in a positive light because of what you were exposed to with her.

What I would also suggest is saving some money and heading abroad to live for a few months or for a holiday. See the other girls that are out there in countries where there are more feminine women if it's what you need.

Oh, and my epiphany girl has hit the wall fast since we were together. In the space of 3 months she's gone from a 9 to a 7.5 needing make up to make herself look better. Loss of alpha presence in her life, and I'm only getting better.

Post: #11

Did you have a replacement lined up for her at least?
Not sure what the problem is, I mean most girls love to ramble on about there job.
Nice looking, low mileage, no games, low mileage, tight box, nice ass, thick thighs, low mileage, am I missing something here.
On a site like this it is only expected to get answers telling you to go get other girls, find yourself, travel etc. The reality is that we are living in Toronto, which is a shit show for women.
I understand you are young and need to sow your oats.
How has the last six months been?

Post: #12

Never dump a girl, CHEAT on her instead. Lesson learned

Post: #13

(01-22-2013 10:39 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Did you have a replacement lined up for her at least?
Not sure what the problem is, I mean most girls love to ramble on about there job.
Nice looking, low mileage, no games, low mileage, tight box, nice ass, thick thighs, low mileage, am I missing something here.
On a site like this it is only expected to get answers telling you to go get other girls, find yourself, travel etc. The reality is that we are living in Toronto, which is a shit show for women.
I understand you are young and need to sow your oats.
How has the last six months been?

The problem is I found she did not really have the same values or interests as me...I felt I could do better in that department (it goes without saying there are always hotter girls out there). I felt like I'd go the extra mile and she wouldn't. I didn't like her inability to handle confrontation or discuss problems. She'd pout and say everything is fine, then when I'd let her place, she'd want to talk things out via text. It was borderline passive agressive. She begged off coming to my family's Passover seder and was never that friendly with my friends when we'd go out as a group. I'd go to her Easter stuff and went the extra mile with her friends who were by and large the same kind of shitty girls we mock here. After seeing how some of my friend's gfs weren't like that, I figured I could do better, but of course, they have their own shit to deal with, high maintenance, stupid drama and fights, that I didn't have to deal with.

The last six months...up and down. I have banged a couple hotties but I don't really give a shit about them. I did bang my ex again for roughly a month but cut it off because I didn't want to get back with her and I could tell she was getting attached.

Rudebwoy, I'm glad you understand what it means when I qualify it with "But I live in Toronto". This place is a wasteland. The other day I was chatting with an old hookup who is now attached. She made the off-hand comment that she knows some cute girls, but warned me that they are immature and dumb as bricks. It's so bad that even girls are swallowing the red pill here.

MattC, the funny thing is, I never felt like my ex was that "female version of me" - I actually do know her, she is a babe and we have very similar interests, but she is a starfucker status whore of the worst order, any DJ or celebrity chef, she'll fuck them and brag about it. Her entire self worth is based on who she can name drop or going to some trendy place. I can't even carry on a conversation with her it's so obnoxious. My ex, on the other hand, was never somebody I could watch Formula One with, but I did like her feminine, kind demeanor and other qualities, which are so rare here (as rudebwoy can attest).

Post: #14

Well like Samseau stated and the point I was making, don't ever drop a girl unless you have a replacement. I made that stupid mistake when I was young once and never again.
I see you have your reasons but for me they are minor, I take it you are jewish and she is not?
I cannot speak for you but her qualities seem very good and you might find a better looking girl but will she have those attributes.!!
Do I care whether my girl likes Formula one, hell no as long as she doesn't nag me when I watch it.
You seem to have done alright in the meantime, in the end it comes down to your happiness. I just find too many girls are disposable in this place and most come with alot of issues, some you have already stated.