Post: #51

(01-18-2013 11:20 AM)bojangles Wrote:  What percentage of your income would you say contributes to 'gaming' from hitting bars/lounges/restaurants to dates to endgame?

I am not sure if I totally understand this question. What do you mean?

(01-18-2013 11:39 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Can you break down your text game on a weak prospect?

Usually just send them a picture of a sunset or somewhere dope that I am at with some message we talked about and see if they "bite". Nothing too magical.

(01-18-2013 12:56 PM)His Imperial Majesty Wrote:  Cheers G

Don’t mean to bust your balls on this one but would it be possible to give us at least a rough, ball park Bang4Buck stat?

Not really sure even if I know how to gauge. I mean, if I am eating and drinking at a bar, do I count that?

Do I count the cost of my Suit? I really don't know how to calculate.

Let's just say it is pretty high. But the main thing is I am enjoying myself.

Quote:Also, do you think that there is any tipping point, where the amount of time, effort and financial resources your investing into scoring short term bangs can’t be justified?

Ego and bragging rights aside and just looking at it from a time and bankroll management point of view, wouldn’t banging the occasional high-end hooker, be a more logical use of your resources? Allowing you to invest your considerable talents into something more worthwhile and long lasting. After all it’s not like these chicks haven’t sucked another dudes dick before or anything

Interesting question.

With the money I am pulling down, I think I am almost at the level where it would make sense to swoop high end escorts instead.

But, I really like Game. I love rolling out at night Custom Suited.

And, it all takes place at night, when I wouldn't be working anyways.

I can deal with hangovers and partying really well, so it doesn't effect me too much for making money either.

I am really good at making money so I can do it with my eyes closed. Knock on wood this continues.

I think if you are pulling down $600,000 and up AND you have a really stressful job, the high end escort route makes sense.

Post: #52

G, i just meant how much each girl is costing you? or overall on a monthly basis how much 'gaming' is as a percentage of your income?

Post: #53

That's really immaterial because it's one kind of game.

Actually, the only time that question should come up is if you're playing broke ass dude game.

Example- Loads of guys claim you should never buy drinks or meals for broads. There is nothing wrong with doing this. It depends on HOW you do it. That's the part guys don't get.

Include the broad in your reality and it's all good.

If you buy to get in her pants she knows and will play your ass.

It's a difference that is obvious to me, but the PUA clowns have harped on the drinks/meals thing for so long guys that read that shit cannot see the difference.

So, the way I roll will cost more than some low bucker dude if you include all the expenses. The thing is, I was going to spend most of that money anyway because I'm doing what I want.

So, how do you break down the expense?

You don't.

Post: #54

(01-18-2013 01:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Not really sure even if I know how to gauge. I mean, if I am eating and drinking at a bar, do I count that?

Do I count the cost of my Suit? I really don't know how to calculate.

Let's just say it is pretty high. But the main thing is I am enjoying myself.

Why the hell not? Let's incorporate you as a professional swoop artist and then we can depreciate and amortize that shit as a business expense.

Post: #55

(01-18-2013 04:09 PM)bojangles Wrote:  G, i just meant how much each girl is costing you? or overall on a monthly basis how much 'gaming' is as a percentage of your income?

I just don't know how to calculate it.

So lets say I split a Toro Belly Carpaccio with a girl for $27. Does that cost me $27 towards my cost per swoop? Or $13.50?

(01-18-2013 08:05 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  That's really immaterial because it's one kind of game.

Actually, the only time that question should come up is if you're playing broke ass dude game.

Example- Loads of guys claim you should never buy drinks or meals for broads. There is nothing wrong with doing this. It depends on HOW you do it. That's the part guys don't get.

Include the broad in your reality and it's all good.

If you buy to get in her pants she knows and will play your ass.

It's a difference that is obvious to me, but the PUA clowns have harped on the drinks/meals thing for so long guys that read that shit cannot see the difference.

So, the way I roll will cost more than some low bucker dude if you include all the expenses. The thing is, I was going to spend most of that money anyway because I'm doing what I want.

So, how do you break down the expense?

You don't.

This is basically it.

Post: #56

(01-18-2013 08:05 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  It's a difference that is obvious to me, but the PUA clowns have harped on the drinks/meals thing for so long guys that read that shit cannot see the difference.

I wonder what universe these "pua" guys live in.

Go to the hottest restaurant tonight in NYC, LA, Miami Beach, Las Vegas etc.

The places will be full of successful guys with cash buying dinner for beautiful women.

According to the world of the pua, not a single one of these guys is getting laid.

Sure. Keep thinking that.

Post: #57

Cheers G

Allow me to clarify something.

The reason I asked if you could give us a rough Bang4Buck break down, was in no way meant as a criticism of your game. Quite the reveres in fact.

This post has giving the guys on here a glimpse into a life style that many of them aspire to and would love to emulate.

In order to get an realistic insight, into what changing up to a high-end venue game would entail, it seems reasonable and relevant that the B4B stat is at least discussed.

Your answer “Let's just say it is pretty high. But the main thing is I am enjoying myself” is fine by me.

Apart from the obvious need for a larger bank roll and super tight game, both of which you seem to have got covered, would you say that a guy’s basic looks play a greater roll in high-end game? And how would you objectively rate your own looks?

Post: #58

(01-19-2013 11:54 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-18-2013 08:05 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  It's a difference that is obvious to me, but the PUA clowns have harped on the drinks/meals thing for so long guys that read that shit cannot see the difference.

I wonder what universe these "pua" guys live in.

Go to the hottest restaurant tonight in NYC, LA, Miami Beach, Las Vegas etc.

The places will be full of successful guys with cash buying dinner for beautiful women.

According to the world of the pua, not a single one of these guys is getting laid.

Sure. Keep thinking that.

It's funny you say that. I was at a high end sushi restaurant in LA last night, the place was crawling with hot skinny feminine women. Lots of guys too, with obvious money considering a vodka drink was $16/drink and the food was quite expensive as well. But I saw some stunners with guys you would not think could pull that.

Then I left to go to some Hollywood clubs/bars and it was horrible. Which is making me rethink my nights out. G...I think you are wiser to start at these high end dinner places. Try to get some girls there and bounce somewhere else.

Post: #59

Good shit G.

Got a question for you. How are the ratios at those spots?

I'm starting to notice that if drinks are cheap(6-8$) the more sausage heavy the venue gets. Those spots attract social circles, sausagefests and ugly women.

This wasn't the case a few years back. I could go to a low end venue and still have a good time. These days it's almost impossible to go a low end venue and see good ratio's and attractive women.

Post: #60

(01-19-2013 01:48 PM)rakishness Wrote:  This wasn't the case a few years back. I could go to a low end venue and still have a good time. These days it's almost impossible to go a low end venue and see good ratio's and attractive women.

To be honest I can't really recall a time that it wasn't that way. There's always been a lot of beauty segregation(as well as face control) in nightlife.

There's no way around it, average-looking guys that want to have access to beautiful women are gonna have to pay for it. Stunners have no interest in drinking at the neighborhood pub with $4 Millers, though you might find your occasional cute 7 at such places.

Post: #61

(01-19-2013 12:55 PM)His Imperial Majesty Wrote:  Cheers G

Allow me to clarify something.

The reason I asked if you could give us a rough Bang4Buck break down, was in no way meant as a criticism of your game. Quite the reveres in fact.

I know.

Quote:Apart from the obvious need for a larger bank roll and super tight game, both of which you seem to have got covered, would you say that a guy’s basic looks play a greater roll in high-end game? And how would you objectively rate your own looks?

Looks help, but not essential.

I see guys that are older and not good looking with beautiful girls everyday.

I see 45 year olds with 25 year old fly girls everyday. 40 year old guys with beautiful 22 year old girls.

As far as my own looks?

Ask my MOM or ask me, and I am the best looking Man on the planet.

However, I don't think girls at large think I am half as good looking as I do though. Ha.

I have a certain look, that some girls like and some girls don't. I look kind of look like a young Andy Garcia in Godfather part III days. Or Steven Bauer in Scarface.

I would say decent looking for sure, but I rarely get girls on my looks. They hold their own. I would say my Game and the way I dress and carry myself and my positive energy are more to blame for the girls I swoop than my looks.

(01-19-2013 12:59 PM)slubu Wrote:  It's funny you say that. I was at a high end sushi restaurant in LA last night, the place was crawling with hot skinny feminine women. Lots of guys too, with obvious money considering a vodka drink was $16/drink and the food was quite expensive as well. But I saw some stunners with guys you would not think could pull that.

Then I left to go to some Hollywood clubs/bars and it was horrible. Which is making me rethink my nights out. G...I think you are wiser to start at these high end dinner places. Try to get some girls there and bounce somewhere else.

High end restaurants are goddamn goldmines. I sometimes think I am the only guy on the forum that prowls these spots.

Maybe this is some of the reason people have some trouble relating to my experiences. I do my best work at dope restaurants.

(01-19-2013 01:48 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Good shit G.

Got a question for you. How are the ratios at those spots?

Thanks.

I got a question for you: How many of your guy friends hang out in High-End Restaurants?

There is your answer.

Quote:I'm starting to notice that if drinks are cheap(6-8$) the more sausage heavy the venue gets. Those spots attract social circles, sausagefests and ugly women.

Sh*t. I have been saying this for years on the internet and I have single handedly had the entire Internet arguing about this with me for years. (I have been right the whole time, of course.) This is what happens when you are 7-10 years ahead of your time like The G Manifesto.

Yeah, guys are cheap f*cks. The more expensive the place, the better the ratio.

Quote:These days it's almost impossible to go a low end venue and see good ratio's and attractive women.

Low end spots have horrible ratios.

High End the better. It screens out guys.

I always tell bars and clubs they should RAISE the cover charge. RAISE the drink prices.

Please. Charge me more.

Post: #62

Cheers again G

Of the 11 girls you managed to swoop, how many were under the impression that they could potentially be entering into a more serious relationship? As opposed to the ones who knew it was just a one night stand.

Post: #63

(01-19-2013 09:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 12:55 PM)His Imperial Majesty Wrote:  Cheers G

Allow me to clarify something.

The reason I asked if you could give us a rough Bang4Buck break down, was in no way meant as a criticism of your game. Quite the reveres in fact.

I know.

Quote:Apart from the obvious need for a larger bank roll and super tight game, both of which you seem to have got covered, would you say that a guy’s basic looks play a greater roll in high-end game? And how would you objectively rate your own looks?

Looks help, but not essential.

I see guys that are older and not good looking with beautiful girls everyday.

I see 45 year olds with 25 year old fly girls everyday. 40 year old guys with beautiful 22 year old girls.

As far as my own looks?

Ask my MOM or ask me, and I am the best looking Man on the planet.

However, I don't think girls at large think I am half as good looking as I do though. Ha.

I have a certain look, that some girls like and some girls don't. I look kind of look like a young Andy Garcia in Godfather part III days. Or Steven Bauer in Scarface.

I would say decent looking for sure, but I rarely get girls on my looks. They hold their own. I would say my Game and the way I dress and carry myself and my positive energy are more to blame for the girls I swoop than my looks.

(01-19-2013 12:59 PM)slubu Wrote:  It's funny you say that. I was at a high end sushi restaurant in LA last night, the place was crawling with hot skinny feminine women. Lots of guys too, with obvious money considering a vodka drink was $16/drink and the food was quite expensive as well. But I saw some stunners with guys you would not think could pull that.

Then I left to go to some Hollywood clubs/bars and it was horrible. Which is making me rethink my nights out. G...I think you are wiser to start at these high end dinner places. Try to get some girls there and bounce somewhere else.

High end restaurants are goddamn goldmines. I sometimes think I am the only guy on the forum that prowls these spots.

Maybe this is some of the reason people have some trouble relating to my experiences. I do my best work at dope restaurants.

(01-19-2013 01:48 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Good shit G.

Got a question for you. How are the ratios at those spots?

Thanks.

I got a question for you: How many of your guy friends hang out in High-End Restaurants?

There is your answer.

Quote:I'm starting to notice that if drinks are cheap(6-8$) the more sausage heavy the venue gets. Those spots attract social circles, sausagefests and ugly women.

Sh*t. I have been saying this for years on the internet and I have single handedly had the entire Internet arguing about this with me for years. (I have been right the whole time, of course.) This is what happens when you are 7-10 years ahead of your time like The G Manifesto.

Yeah, guys are cheap f*cks. The more expensive the place, the better the ratio.

Quote:These days it's almost impossible to go a low end venue and see good ratio's and attractive women.

Low end spots have horrible ratios.

High End the better. It screens out guys.

I always tell bars and clubs they should RAISE the cover charge. RAISE the drink prices.

Please. Charge me more.

On the one hand, yes it is going to screen out a lot of guys. It will also attract mostly money people. Who is to say that the tycoon has better game than the poor man?

The guy I know who is probably pulling the highest quantity of girls grew up in in East New York, and is almost never buying drinks for himself or spending money on anything.

Post: #64

(01-20-2013 10:46 AM)His Imperial Majesty Wrote:  Cheers again G

Of the 11 girls you managed to swoop, how many were under the impression that they could potentially be entering into a more serious relationship? As opposed to the ones who knew it was just a one night stand.

Case by case.

All the 2nd date girls for sure.

Probably some of the one night swoops.

I am in the business of selling dreams. I don't buy them.

Post: #65

(01-17-2013 07:39 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-16-2013 10:39 PM)lurker Wrote:  What's your same night lay vs second-date swoop rate? Am I correct in thinking that the former has a higher conversion percentage, as discussed on the other thread?

Good question.

It was 5-6.

Usually it would be more tilted in favor of 2nd Dates, I think.

I really am a 2nd Date cat. (Or is that 1st date?)

When I say 2nd Date, I mean 1) I meet her out at night for the first time 2) I meet her on a date.

(01-17-2013 12:41 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Like I'd said in your last thread, your numbers are pretty close to what Paul Janka published. And I think his "stats" are about as good as it gets and he's firing on all cylinders. I think it's going to be tough to break past a 5% conversion rate short of being a celebrity of some sort. Eleven swoops in 2 months sounds like perfectly satisfactory sex life, especially if we're talking 8s and above.

Yeah, that is interesting Janka and I have basically the exact same percentage.

It is a little like apples and oranges though. I think he does all Day Game on college type girls in NYC, if I am not mistaken. Plus he is kind of famous now.

I do almost 100% night Game in High-End Venues. No fame.

Quote:One question though G(or any other of you guys), do you use any special apps or organizers just to sort the numbers you collect so you can remember who they are? I'm hardly approaching 200 girls a month, but even I sometimes glance at my phone and I'm "Who the f is this??" and can't remember who from who after a few weeks. I know some people snap a pic of the person they're talking to when they save contact info so they can remember the face, but that might make it too obvious you're collecting a lot of numbers.

Ha. You are completely right.

There were tons of nights where I didn't know who the hell the girls where in my phone. Plus I am a heavy drinker.

I tried to "code" the numbers I would put in my phone with initials of the city. That way they would not get confused with California girls or girls already in my phone.

I could search for the city, and then in would narrow the results and I could figure out who they were better. I started doing this when I went to Montreal.

I also started writing on a piece of paper the girls I would meet each night, because I started getting too confused.

One of my friends and I have joked about making a "Player App" that would keep track of girls you met, by auto recording the location and time you met them to help keep track. Also it would keep track of where you went that night and the numbers you got on a timeline, so you could be wasted and still figure it out. Or have enough information where you could say when you called them, "Hey Jenny, that was cool we met at Balthazar..." or whatever.

Since it would be a great App, and one I would actually use, I am also sure it would be the worst selling App of all time.

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A couple more points:

I don't want it to seem like I swooped 11 models. Two were. The other girls I thought were sexy too, or I wouldn't have swooped them. But some of them I sure you guys wouldn't be super impressed with (especially knowing the standards of this forum!)

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I will have to dig up my Montreal numbers, but I think my Montreal numbers were worse than these.

I was going out 3-5 nights per week as well and approaching tons.

But I think my swoop numbers were lower.

Let me know if you guys want me to dig them up for a comparison.

There's a great app called "New Digits" that puts most recently acquired phone numbers into chronological order. It's not a full out player app but worth its weight in gold for keeping track of new leads. Highly recommend it.

Post: #66

G, I appreciate reading your stuff. You talk common-sense and don't suger-coat shit. I completely share your observations re. high end venues being where it's at for hot women. that's just where they go.

Post: #67

Why would they go to low rent venues looking for high end guys?

Think about it.

Post: #68

Great post. Couple of questions for you G- I know you come from a surfing background like myself before you started rolling big with pockets full of cash.

What age did you start to switch over from surf bum game to high roller game and how did it come about?

Did you make the switch over night or did it come about as your business grew?

Also can you give me a little of your business background: when you started making it big and what you do to keep on top of your game business wise. I am guessing you are either location independent or able to make big amounts of cash in a short amount of time, or both.

Maybe this has been posted before but I have gone back through your stuff and only seen some vague info: 'Heists and deals'

I know you like keeping it vague but any extra info would be appreciated.

Thanks man.

Post: #69

(01-19-2013 09:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Low end spots have horrible ratios.

High End the better. It screens out guys.

I always tell bars and clubs they should RAISE the cover charge. RAISE the drink prices.

Please. Charge me more.

This is Gold. Time to step up to the next level of game.

Post: #70

G, can your break down the numbers for how long it took you to swoop those girls? I.E What proportion were swooped on the same night, first date, second date, third date etc

Also, what's your date routine like? Do you take them out to eat or just grab drinks?

Post: #71

(01-20-2013 10:48 PM)babababalot Wrote:  G, I appreciate reading your stuff. You talk common-sense and don't suger-coat shit. I completely share your observations re. high end venues being where it's at for hot women. that's just where they go.

Willie Sutton said that he robbed banks "because that's where the money is."

Michael Mason said that he hung out in high-end joints "because that's where the fly girls are".

(01-21-2013 12:20 AM)Irishman Wrote:  Great post. Couple of questions for you G- I know you come from a surfing background like myself before you started rolling big with pockets full of cash.

What age did you start to switch over from surf bum game to high roller game and how did it come about?

Did you make the switch over night or did it come about as your business grew?

No, it didn't happen overnight at all. There were some painful years there trying to assimilate back into society.

Which is kind of funny, because I really never assimilated back into society.

I was lucky. I never sold out, and I never stopped being an "outlaw".

Quote:Also can you give me a little of your business background: when you started making it big and what you do to keep on top of your game business wise. I am guessing you are either location independent or able to make big amounts of cash in a short amount of time, or both.

Yes, both.

(01-20-2013 11:34 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Why would they go to low rent venues looking for high end guys?

Think about it.

This is it.

You will notice that the guys on this forum constantly complaining about women are going to low end venues.

Post: #72

thanks G, my question about the bang per buck primarily revolved around the places you were visiting, rather than the actual cost per girl. His Imperial Majesty clarified it in much better terms than I did.

Post: #73

The cost per bang or whatever only applies to someone with the sole purpose of going out to get laid. Some people just enjoy going out and having fun. Of course, women would be part that fun but not the sole purpose. Would that be a cost per fun type of thing?

Post: #74

I still don't understand what a high end venue is exactly. Well for where I live anyway. NYC yes.

Finding, prepping, getting to one seems to be a pain in the ass and not fun to me. If you're in Santo Domingo would you want to go to a high end club? What for if the girls are just hanging out all over. I don't know. We went to some lounge? W/fisto in some mall full of women and they wanted to be there but I can't tell if it was considered high end?

Post: #75

(01-21-2013 11:24 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  I still don't understand what a high end venue is exactly.

Finding, prepping, getting to one seems to be a pain in the ass and not fun to me.

You are not alone in your thinking.

Hence the better ratios.

Doing the opposite of most guys is always the correct direction.

(01-21-2013 11:01 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  The cost per bang or whatever only applies to someone with the sole purpose of going out to get laid. Some people just enjoy going out and having fun. Of course, women would be part that fun but not the sole purpose. Would that be a cost per fun type of thing?

Right.

I enjoy eating in beautiful restaurants with beautiful women.

I have joked on here before about it, but I don't understand the hatred of meals and the restaurant industry in general on this forum.

I mean, do guys on here eat every dinner of their life at home and just stare at the wall?

I figure I am going to have to eat dinner anyways, why not do it with a beautiful girl?