Post: #26

(01-06-2013 02:18 PM)soup Wrote:  G, I'm curious as why you're interested in this question. The only reason I could ever want a girl who has wealth would be if I wanted her to buy me something, or if I was planning to have a kid with her.

Exactly

Im only interested in how nice her body is, her class or wealth doesnt bother me.

Post: #27

(01-06-2013 02:11 PM)EisenBarde Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 11:24 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Ok, so we are separating Class and Wealth.

How important to you is it that she has both Class and Wealth?

I think the general consensus, myself included, is leaning toward class taking priority over wealth. But it really depends on the context because the definition of the two can get mixed up.

Does classy mean that she can sustain her lifestyle without my largess?
Does wealthy mean she has greater access to high society?

I don't mean to split hairs here, I'm just saying that I prefer to trust my instincts rather than make a complete science out of it.

I'll know it when I see it.

I guess I should have defined these.

Quote:Does classy mean that she can sustain her lifestyle without my largess?

Class would be manners, family, well-traveled, good schools, maybe in horses or yachts or something.

Quote:Does wealthy mean she has greater access to high society?

Yeah, Wealth would be access, neighborhoods they grew up in and Cash in general ie $10 mill to $100 mill and up.

(01-06-2013 02:18 PM)soup Wrote:  G, I'm curious as why you're interested in this question. The only reason I could ever want a girl who has wealth would be if I wanted her to buy me something, or if I was planning to have a kid with her.

Like others have said, it is an attraction switch for me I guess.

I have met beautiful girls what guys on here would call 10's that I thought were disgusting from their manners and level of social class.

And like Vicious said, I think they "get" me more too.

All things being equal, I would rather date a girl that grew up in Laguna Beach who has a great family worth 75 million, than a girl that grew up in Riverside with a brother on crystal meth and a father in prison.

Make sense?

Post: #28

Yes, it makes sense.

But for those of us who grew up getting preferential treatment by adults who understood that we were the town's best chance of kids not getting pregnant or arrested by age 20, I feel a sort of visceral attraction to those who share the similar experience to mine because they have a better firsthand understanding of the personal ethics and choices it took to not end up a junkie or a welfare queen.

Silver spoon types don't really have that fear in them which helps them appreciate their man as an alternative to what their sisters and cousins end up with.

Post: #29

Don't forget about the trade offs.

If your mate value score is 100 gold coins, how much of that do you want to spend on youth and beauty, and how much do you want to spend on class, intelligence, and a long background of wealth?

Let's not kid ourselves, sexy debutantes are rare and have higher expectations than sexy trailer trash girls. Those are the top apples on the tree.

The apples lower down are more likely to look up to you, to cherish you, to treat you like a prize, like a king.

Ya, if I my mate value points were 10,000 gold coins, or if I could find a debutante who could be persuaded that it is, then a deb would look superior.

But given the choice between a deb who views me as low down on her hypergamous list and a trailer trash hottie who views me as way up on it, I'll take the trailer trash hottie.

Or given the choice of an older and plainer middle class girl and a trailer trash hottie, I'll take the hottie.

The coin that must be spent on class detracts from coin that can be spent on hotness.

Of course I'm working on increasing my coin, but I don't believe that coin is all in the head - that everything boils down to confidence. I believe that's a self hypnotic idea that is on par with a delusion - a psychosis even. You want to know what is a limiting belief? Reality is a limiting belief. There is an inter-subjective world of mate value rankings - and confidence plays only a part in that - it's not the whole of the mate value ranking.

Post: #30

If its just a notch I would not care one bit. But for someone long-term I think having class in general is important to me.

Post: #31

Eh reverse problem.

Can't stand rich/well brought up girls. They are incredibly tiring to manage, think they deserve the world and believe they are truly the best thing since sliced bread if you read into how they talk and speak about themselves and their world views.

"My dad trains race horses on our ranch..."
"I believe everything goes to people for a reason... To explain away her privledges"
"I am evangelical" - don't get me started

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to date some crack head. But at the end of the day how can you possibly hate on the environment you start in?

I'd rather hang out with a girl who has less expectations at all times since it is a personality based issue. A girl who is happy on her low salary versus a girl who is happy on her massive wealth? Should be a no brainer as to which one is worth your time. If she's happy with nothing and you allign your life correctly, she's going to become more interesting.

(Note I prefer bubbly/joyful personalities for girls, not "sassy")

Finally, the real problem is hot girls are where the money is at. There is a reason why NYC/Miami/So Cal/Rio de janeiro and Paris have attractive women.

A 10 piece from a billionaire or a 10 piece school teacher/nurse?... I'd choose the latter... It's also much more rare.

Post: #32

It's funny how a lot of guys say that "rich" girls (lets use that term for simplicities sake) are very hard to deal with, and "poor" girls are easy to manage with their low expectations.

I find the opposite.

I don't meet these beautiful poor girls that are happy that you can afford a Pepsi in a 2 liter bottle and some chips and dips.

But then again, our respective experiences make us feel the way we do.

Post: #33

I like girls with class. It feels like more of an accomplishment, and I feel like more of a big shot.

I am also way more likely to take a classy girl on my arm to social things. It reflects better on me.

Still, there's something to be said for the simple girls. Dad's a plumber, mom's a radiologist, never left the country, that sort of thing.

And my personal favourite mix is a girl from humble beginnings, with the brains and social acuity to recognize and mimic class markers.

FYI everyone here should read this book. Hilarious, and possibly educational if you're feeling a bit confused by this thread:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671792...0671792253

Post: #34

I lop girls into two groups. The ones who have tons of shit to do and want you involved with her friends, family, activities and the ones who want to be involved with all your shit and have all the time in the world for you and your nonsense.

I don't like hanging with girls family and friends and go into dick mode most the time and I'm not going to Aspen to meet up with her friends I'll be in the DR thank you. I'm not going to the Hamptons either (dislike of NYers) I also DO NOT date Greek girls because they have way too much shit with pain in ass Greek family I already have one of those so no thanks.

Post: #35

I'm completely with G on this. Often when people attribute snotty and difficult behaviour to rich people I wonder if it's all gestations or just where they are meeting these people.

A beautiful poor girl has far more power and leverage on her home turf than a rich girl has on her's (rich beautiful women are far more common than their poor opposites). Couple this with a larger probability for a broken home and lack of upbringing. What do you think this does for her personality?

Post: #36

It's not really a money thing but a personality thing.

The richer ones tend to be very "atmosphere" oriented. So they won't go to certain parts of town etc. There is nothing wrong with that, they should do what they like. They are "class aware" this happens to everyone though.

I will say richer ones tend to actually be more "open". Eg. It's easier to sleep with a girl from a private college than a public college. Also more open to culture differences due to travel etc.

Since I've got zero interest in marriage/relationships longer than a few months, they are all fair game though.

Basically, you're going to eventually adapt to rich girls if you frequent rich spots to chase the high end. It's a chicken versus egg problem.

Do you like the high end classy girls or what have you because you like their personalities or did you adapt to their personalities because you stayed in that environment for years on end?

Also I like emechs breakdown better, the busier she is the better it is.

Finally, if the girl has a broken history it's actually easier on my end to make a huge connection. Can hold that strength position 40x easier. I have a much harder time making a connection with a rich girl that is not a complete sham (I'll usually just lie about my interests)

Post: #37

I need food and sex. There I said it.

Post: #38

She has to be 'classy' I.E Have good manners and speak correctly, but her actual social class doesn't really matter to me. Basically, as long as she isn't trashy those things don't really matter much to me anywhere near, say, as her looks and weight do.

Post: #39

(01-07-2013 11:05 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  It's not really a money thing but a personality thing.

The richer ones tend to be very "atmosphere" oriented. So they won't go to certain parts of town etc. There is nothing wrong with that, they should do what they like. They are "class aware" this happens to everyone though.

I will say richer ones tend to actually be more "open". Eg. It's easier to sleep with a girl from a private college than a public college. Also more open to culture differences due to travel etc.

Damn, Way to hit it right West Coast.

Its not rich= bad, or vice versa. If we break down the mindsets of wealther women a little more, I find two broad types;1) open minded wealthier types that use their relative advantages to explore, learn, and have fun (they're awesome), and 2) more insecure types that INTENTIONALLY CLOSE THEIR MINDS and can only do rich-chick stuff because they've always defined themselves by class to be in the “right” crowd and gain social advantages.... and are terrified of losing this advantage (they suck, though predicatble). I love West Coast's private-public college differentiation, i.e independent chick v sorority chick. The latter need safety in numbers are on the fast track to homogeny and Pottery Barn. F--- that.

But then, they have advantages...for example, you're almost guaranteed not to have a pregancy scare with them because they have too much too lose. Stuff like that.

My main problem with wealthier types is lack of “soul.” I think “soul” or “depth” in a woman comes from some sort of struggle. Absent that, when every need is cared for, all you're left with is some salon-going chick writing reviews on fancy lounges on Yelp so everyone knows she goes there. This is their "struggle," and I can't f--- with that s---. This “soul” brings a sweetness in women that I like- black, carribean, latin, Irish, Southern Italian etc.women have this in spades. Many of the complaints about the coldness/selfishness/materialism of US women on this site can, IMO, be traced back to “excess” affluence.

Post: #40

(01-05-2013 08:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I was just curious if anyone on here cared about what social class a girl comes from?

Or if she is from a good/wealthy family?

It doesn't seem like many people care about that on here, but to me it matters a lot with girls I date.

I will take a girl that has good manners, and comes from a good/wealthy family over a girl that is hotter but doesn't have that going for her.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Yes. Once you get to the point with game that you have choice in what girl you're with, looks become par for the course.

In my experience it comes down to two factors; 1) how sophisticated she is, and 2) her relationship with her father.

Often times these two factors are highly correlated with her coming from wealth, but they don't have to be. For example, sophistication can come from expensive things like travel and education, but they can also come from seeing the world through some unique cultural perspective.

Sophistication is important because your girl has to bring more to the table than tits and ass - and a high level of sophistication intimates that a girl knows how to interact with society in a way that will add value to your life (whether it's through access to resources or information). Women want equality... so now they have to really bring it to get the best (i.e., non-AFC) guys.

A girl's relationship with her father is important because it's basically her model for how to interact with men. This leads to a girls mental health. In American this is a huge issue.

Post: #41

(01-07-2013 01:15 PM)46. Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 11:05 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  I will say richer ones tend to actually be more "open". Eg. It's easier to sleep with a girl from a private college than a public college. Also more open to culture differences due to travel etc.

I love West Coast's private-public college differentiation, i.e independent chick v sorority chick. The latter need safety in numbers are on the fast track to homogeny and Pottery Barn. F--- that.

I went to a wealthy private college on the West Coast. A bastion of Western States wealth.

The big public college near by is typically featured top 5 on those lame Playboy "hottest girls" list, if not #1. (Side note: I don't agree with that list.)

I can unequivocally say that the girls from the public university were easier.

(01-07-2013 01:36 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  In my experience it comes down to two factors; 1) how sophisticated she is, and 2) her relationship with her father.

Good point.

I also look for girls that come from non-divorced familes.

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Just so we are clear, this is for girls I "date".

When I am in The Rhino, I don't care about these things.

I am a little Bi-polar when it comes to girls.

Post: #42

(01-07-2013 10:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  It's funny how a lot of guys say that "rich" girls (lets use that term for simplicities sake) are very hard to deal with, and "poor" girls are easy to manage with their low expectations.

I find the opposite.

I don't meet these beautiful poor girls that are happy that you can afford a Pepsi in a 2 liter bottle and some chips and dips.

But then again, our respective experiences make us feel the way we do.

I think it all depends on the girl's mentality, some girls are poor and they are bitchy and some girls are rich and they are nice, so I think it just depends on the person. In general, I haven't seen a difference at all.

Post: #43

The private school distinction also has gradients.

A girl from a non-top tier private school has been the most slutty from my experience + guys I roll with.

Comparing a Ivy League and a "party school" like sdsu... Sure the party school is going to be easier. The legitimacy of the private makes more sense, claremont schools arent going to be easy, places like Loyola though... Easy (pegging two like for likes privates in the same area for a relative comparison). My previous comment was based on the thread title on "class/wealth". So the vast majority of private colleges... Have shitty education systems. So apples to apples an average private school is easier than an "average" public school because those girls just "do what feels good since daddy has their back and they will lie to their friends about how many guys they have fucked"

Now if we start talking "wealthy" and "prestige" education... It gets much harder. These people have engrained belief systems. This is a very different animal. You can tell the wealth disparity due to their un-wavering belief system. "I believe in blank because my life was catered around blank so it's impossible for you to ever convince of a life/situation other than blank". This mentality is where you see a loss of personality. Couldn't be bothered to date one of these broads.

In addition that wealth level is the worst to deal with, wont change though because they hold the chips.

On the plus side, the men from that spectrum are the easiest to please, you just pay them complements and because they truly believe they are "the shit" they will pave your career for you. Simply find out what the guy lacks in his life, sex, fitness, personality and give pointed complements.

"I bet you got laid a lot back in the day" (he's married now) let him tell you about his glory days.
"I bet you were a beast in sports" - let him lie about accomplishments
"I love working with you because your so enjoyable" - let him smile and walk away.

They live in a dream land where they believe they deserve what they got, feed that ego and you'll be just fine.

Put that mindset in a girl and it takes on the form of purses and dinners, no thanks.

For fun, you can really mess with a girl like that by randomly taking her on a "date" to grimey place, she will physically shut down in seconds.

Post: #44

I couldn't give a mother fuck. I'm just looking for the notch so I get on top till I pop. Then I hop out and the door locks. I'm high right now sorry. but women are inferior creature meant to be used as sex slaves for alphas like me and the niggas on this forum. If I want intelligent comvo ill talk to my alternate personality. seriously social class only matters if she is more than a fuck toy so yeah I'm uoung

Post: #45

(01-05-2013 08:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I was just curious if anyone on here cared about what social class a girl comes from?

Or if she is from a good/wealthy family?

It doesn't seem like many people care about that on here, but to me it matters a lot with girls I date.

I will take a girl that has good manners, and comes from a good/wealthy family over a girl that is hotter but doesn't have that going for her.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Hell Yes

Post: #46

(01-07-2013 10:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  It's funny how a lot of guys say that "rich" girls (lets use that term for simplicities sake) are very hard to deal with, and "poor" girls are easy to manage with their low expectations.

I find the opposite.

I don't meet these beautiful poor girls that are happy that you can afford a Pepsi in a 2 liter bottle and some chips and dips.

But then again, our respective experiences make us feel the way we do.

when dealing with the lower end of the wealth spectrum I've found that some women still remain humble, but many are looking for someone to upgrade their lifestyle.

The women with more financial security outside of you don't necessarily need you as much financially and are able to focus more on whatever level of relationship you have with them.

Post: #47

Agreed

(01-05-2013 08:56 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  As long as she's ladylike I can work with it.

Post: #48

Do you mean class like she's a blue blood/American Royalty/grand daddy was the county's judge?
Or class like she doesn't smoke, cuss like a sailor, and spit in public?

The only way I'm getting to holler @ the former is to move back to the Islands.

WIA

Post: #49

Money rarely buys class, but certainly gives you an opportunity to acquire experiences to build such.

I believe these attributes of class and money are more associated with my long term plan, but are must have's. Either she has her own money or has the right mindset to acquire some as to not be dependent on someone else. I'd want her to hold her own in various situations like I would: with family, with friends, business associates, and clientele. Most importantly, having the "know-how" that derives from life experiences to carry her well into various social strata whether it be upper, lower, or anything in between. Having access to resources opens doors and certainly makes life more interesting. Having women that are involved in exclusive functions and parties always are a plus and add value rather than drain it from you.

It's very important to me where a woman is currently at and where she is going to me rather than, where she comes from. Lots of people have humble beginnings and it's only the present and future I'm concerned with.

Post: #50

(01-07-2013 06:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  I couldn't give a mother fuck. I'm just looking for the notch so I get on top till I pop. Then I hop out and the door locks. I'm high right now sorry. but women are inferior creature meant to be used as sex slaves for alphas like me and the niggas on this forum. If I want intelligent comvo ill talk to my alternate personality. seriously social class only matters if she is more than a fuck toy so yeah I'm uoung

That strikes me as an extremely low class comment. Like, ghetto criminal trash low class.

No one in any of my social circles would ever make such a comment, at any age. If they did they would be instantly excluded from the social circle. People in my class were raised to respect civility and community.

We didn't glorify sociopathy, and any anti-socials who strayed into our community were initially befriended, and then shunned, to let them wallow in their own degradation alone. We had simple, basic standards of human decency, in other words.

So you and your niggas on the forum are a clique, huh? Wow, that's a clique I'd want nothing to do with in real life. Or any life.